Texans offered #3 pick to Jets

[countingcrow]

From ESPN Insider:

If you thought that after mulling over the offer sheets the Washington Redskins made to kick returner Chad Morton and receiver Laveranues Coles, the Jets were done making tough offseason choices, think again. Gang Green was faced with another difficult decision Sunday when the Houston Texans dangled the third overall pick in the draft for running back LaMont Jordan and the No.13 pick. The Texans have been trying to unload the pick for quite some time, and the Jets matched the team's needs perfectly. They had a backup running back that was capable of starting and they had a pair of first round picks. The Jets were also a team that was a playoff team last year and would possibly consider themselves one major impact player away from contending for the Super Bowl.

Still, the Jets passed, and it was a wise decision. Not that the Jets wouldn't have found a true difference maker at No.3, but despite winning the AFC East last year, the Jets are more than just one player away, and they should be able to land two quality prospects with the 13th and 22nd picks in the first round.

"I don't think there's a guy there we would be willing to give up two players to get," general manager Terry Bradway told the New York Daily News. "That could change. There is a chance we could move up a couple spots and give up maybe a third and still have two No. 1s," he said. "There are some options, but it is way too early. I like the flexibility."

That may be true, but it's likely the main reason the team chose not to do the deal was that Jordan is too valuable for the Jets to give up. Curtis Martin has averaged 326 carries a season since entering the league in 1995, and last year ankle injuries slowed him down for much of the year. But there is a chance that he won't return to the form that made him one of the games best, albeit underrated, rushers.

Martin turns 30 in May, and with 2,941 rushing and receiving touches, he's coming to a point in a running back's career where slowing down is an inevitability. But the Jets have a great insurance policy in Jordan. In 2001, Jordan rushed for 292 yards on only 32 carries. Last year his numbers were less eye-popping, but he still showed enough that there is little doubt he'll be an effective starter when his time comes.

Also, by keeping the picks, they could address their lack of speed at linebacker, or they could get a quality defensive tackle to help in the interior.

But parting ways with Jordan will not be a part of any plan for the team this offseason, and in reality, maybe that's not such a tough decision.

[countingcrow]

John McClain stated that the Texans would most likely draft Terrell Suggs from Arizona State if they keep the pick. I read this in his column in the Sunday edition of The Houston Chronicle.

[Raven Lunatic]

I've never heard of this Lamont Jordan character...is he any good?

[kidrock8]

Originally posted by Raven Lunatic
I've never heard of this Lamont Jordan character...is he any good?

He's a tough runner, not really that fast though. Perhaps a very poor man's Emmitt Smith?

Either way, I don't think that would have been a good trade for the Texans.

[PhiSlammaJamma]

Sounds like a bad trade for the Texans to me.

[rrj_gamz]

I don't see the logic, but I'm not Charlie...LJ and a #3 for #13...:eek:

LJ is good, but I think Wells will be better than LJ soon, real soon...

All he needs is a O-line, and I think it'll shape up before Training Camp...

[drapg]

I love Lamont Jordan. I thought he would be untradeable, seeing how great he performed when Martin was out.

I would love to do this deal

[xiki]

This came from the NY press? About as trustworthy as having heard it here.

The Jets couldn't get two quality guys at 3 and 22, but they could at 13 and 22? Huh? Explain, please, I don't understand. Perhaps I misread, perhaps I misjudge the great New Yawk scribes.

[Ric]

Originally posted by xiki
The Jets couldn't get two quality guys at 3 and 22, but they could at 13 and 22? Huh? Explain, please, I don't understand. Perhaps I misread, perhaps I misjudge the great New Yawk scribes.
i don't necessarily agreewith his point, but i think what he means is they'd get two quality guys at #13 and 22 and get to keep lamont jordan.

[Baqui99]

The Texans' draft board should look like this:

1. Terrance Newman
2. Terrell Suggs
3. Jimmy Kennedy

[eric.81]

Originally posted by Baqui99
The Texans' draft board should look like this:

1. Terrance Newman
2. Terrell Suggs
3. Jimmy Kennedy

I think our pass rush is our most important need and our secondary is much less important... especially if we get Keon Carpenter (still available?).

I also think this trade would've been bad for the Texans. I think that the running back from JVille (mack) would be just as effective as Jordan but we wouldn't have to give up that high a pick.

I think Suggs would be a brilliant move. I think it (along with Carpenter) would make an average defense good.

[kidrock8]

If Suggs runs around a 4.5 (which is VERY possible), then there will be a long line of suitors who may be interested in the #3 pick.

I think the Texans will be cheering for Suggs to do well. If he does well, they will be happy to trade the pick, which they've wanted to do for a while. Or, they keep the pick and get a guy who can fly from the OLB position (where he'd fit in the 3-4).

Either way, the Texans can't lose if Suggs performs well. If he does poorly, then the Texans lose trade leverage, as well as having to "settle" for whoever they draft at #3.

[Lil Francis]

Man Im sure they can get more for the #3 pick than the #13 pick and an average running back. Casserly could have atleast asked for Santana Moss.

[PhiSlammaJamma]

Detroit could still screw this up, crossing fingers, crossing fingers.

[CriscoKidd]

Originally posted by Lil Francis
Casserly could have atleast asked for Santana Moss.

Jordan > Moss, FYI

[moestavern19]

I think putting trust in capable backup RBs is always a risk, Its worked out for teams like Seattle to dump their aging RB and go with the youth, The Rams had Trung Canidate and Lamar Gordan last season, The Bears started using Leon Johnson when Anthony Thomas wasn't producing, Jacksonville had Stacey Mack, The Raiders with Ty Wheatley, Zack Crockett as "Role Runners". Even nabbing a so called "adequate" RB pays off big time for some teams, (Priest Holmes and the Chiefs) Gotta think the Jets did the right thing here, and if they get Boss Bailey at 22 watch out.

[Lil Francis]

Originally posted by CriscoKidd
Jordan > Moss, FYI So you would take Jordan over Santana Moss? You must haven't seen Moss play. Jordan was nothing special at Maryland and he is an average RB now. Moss will be a pro bowler in the next year or so.

[Possum]

Originally posted by Lil Francis
Jordan was nothing special at Maryland and he is an average RB now. Check again.

[Possum]

Jordan completed a fine career in which he set school and ACC records. During his stay, he set Maryland career records for rushing (4,147), all-purpose yardage (4960), all-purpose attempts (888) and 100-yard games (18).

As a senior, he rushed for 920 yards on 213 carries and 11 TDs, starting nine of eleven games. He had four 100-yard games including 114 against Florida State. It was just the third time in five years a runner went over 100 yards rushing against FSU; Jordan accomplished it twice and Thomas Jones did it once. Jordan's senior season started slowly when he missed training camp in August due to academic problems that were resolved. Operating behind a young offensive line that had two new starters, he was keyed on every game after a big '99 effort. As a junior, he had an outstanding season when he rushed for 1,632 yards on 266 carries for an impressive 6.1-yard average and 16 TDs. That was good for second place in the ACC behind Thomas Jones and included a great finale vs. Virginia when he rushed for 306 yards on 37 carries.

[kidrock8]

Originally posted by Lil Francis
So you would take Jordan over Santana Moss? You must haven't seen Moss play. Jordan was nothing special at Maryland and he is an average RB now. Moss will be a pro bowler in the next year or so.

I don't think you've watched Moss play...

He was an exciting player at Miami, but hasn't done much of anything in the NFL.

30 catches and 433 receiving yards...

:rolleyes:

[rocketfan83]

They should be able to get more for this pick. I'd much rather have Suggs or A Johnson. Possibly Newman if he is good as advertised.

[Live]

From kidrock8:

I don't think you've watched Moss play...

He was an exciting player at Miami, but hasn't done much of anything in the NFL.

30 catches and 433 receiving yards...



...as the 3rd WR. (You kind of forgot to mention that)

And 1 less TD than Coles, too.

(As you can tell, I like Moss.) :D

[kidrock8]

Originally posted by Live
...as the 3rd WR. (You kind of forgot to mention that)

And 1 less TD than Coles, too.

(As you can tell, I like Moss.) :D

I don't think much of Moss, other than as a slot/backup WR.

[Lil Francis]

Originally posted by kidrock8
I don't think you've watched Moss play...

He was an exciting player at Miami, but hasn't done much of anything in the NFL.

30 catches and 433 receiving yards...

:rolleyes: Ok and pull up Jordan's amazing stats from last year. If he was that good he would have taken more carries away from C. Martin. Anybody who knows football knows that Moss will be the better NFL player. If you put Moss with David Carr he would have 75-80 catches for atleast 1,100 yds. He has great speed and very soft hands.

[Possum]

Originally posted by Lil Francis
Ok and pull up Jordan's amazing stats from last year. If he was that good he would have taken more carries away from C. Martin. Anybody who knows football knows that Moss will be the better NFL player. If you put Moss with David Carr he would have 75-80 catches for atleast 1,100 yds. He has great speed and very soft hands.

You're not going to get much playing time when you play behind one of the best backs in then NFL. If Moss is so great why did the Jets go looking for a replacement for Coles? Why not start Chrebet and Moss?

[Jared Novak]

The Texans should just take Suggs. He would be the franchise player on defense. Doesn't the addage say, "Defense wins championships". The defense is already strong, adding Suggs would only make it stronger.

As for needing a playmaker on offense, well what team doesn't need a playmaker? Is anyone sure yet that Johnson will be that gamebreaking playmaker? I think Rogers is the top receiver in this draft class, and I believe (my opinion) that Johnson is not that great. I'm pretty wary of receivers from big-time college programs because they are usually products of the system.

Again, my vote is for Suggs. He would be great as an outside LB who could rush the passer, his only flaw would be is that he needs to work on his run defense.

[Lil Francis]

Originally posted by Possum
You're not going to get much playing time when you play behind one of the best backs in then NFL. If Moss is so great why did the Jets go looking for a replacement for Coles? Why not start Chrebet and Moss? I never said Moss was a Terrell Owens but I think he has the skills to be a pro bowl receiver in the right system. With Carr's arm strength and ability I think if you put him with the Texans he would have some pro bowl like stats because Pennington's arm is not as good as Carr's. In the end Moss will be a better NFL player than Jordan. Plain and simple.

[kidrock8]

Originally posted by Lil Francis
I never said Moss was a Terrell Owens but I think he has the skills to be a pro bowl receiver in the right system. With Carr's arm strength and ability I think if you put him with the Texans he would have some pro bowl like stats because Pennington's arm is not as good as Carr's. In the end Moss will be a better NFL player than Jordan. Plain and simple.

More exciting, yes. Better? We'll have to see...

[tigereye]

Originally posted by PhiSlammaJamma
Detroit could still screw this up, crossing fingers, crossing fingers.

Nah, their in love with Charlie Rogers. The team that might screw things up though is Cincy because the arent appearently sold on Carson Palmer. New head coach Marvin Lewis is taking a good long look at Suggs too. If Suggs impresses him at today's AZ State Pro Day workout, the Bungles might take Suggs at No. 1 and pick their future quarterback in the second round which would most likely be Chris Simms. He is currently projected to fall out of the first round and be a high second round pick. Basically, they are looking at what San Diego did in the 2001 draft and thinking it might work for them too. As you might remember, the Bolts traded the top pick (which would have been Mike Vick) and drafted Tomlinson and later in the second round drafted their current QB Drew Brees. That worked out pretty good for them. The Bengals are wondering if it would work for them too.

P.S. I dont know if this has been mentioned though but the Bolts are reportedly in talks with the Phins' in a deal that woud send Junior Seau to South Beach. No word on who Miami would give up. Just thought you would like to know that.

[drapg]

I don't think Seau will be traded because of his rather massive contract.

He'll probably be a June casualty and sign on as a free agent.

[Live]

From Possum:

If Moss is so great why did the Jets go looking for a replacement for Coles? Why not start Chrebet and Moss?

Maybe because, in today's NFL, teams need at least 3 solid receivers.

And who's to say that the Jets won't start Moss & Chrebet this year, we'll just have to see.

Besides, wasn't Moss coming off a knee injury last year?

[pgabriel]

John Mclain was on 610 this morning and he said the Texans didn't make this offer.

[tigereye]

The current trade value for the 3rd pick just took a major blow. Suggs bombed his pro-day. Looks like Ander Johnson WR Miami is our man at 3.



March 26, 2003, 11:35PM

Suggs fails to wow with speed
By JOHN McCLAIN
Copyright 2003 Houston Chronicle


PHOENIX -- Arizona State defensive end Terrell Suggs had his coming-out party Wednesday, and it was not a pretty sight for teams interesting in drafting him at or near the top of the first round.

According to many NFL scouts and personnel people, Suggs was not that impressive at the Sun Devils' pro day.

Suggs, who led the nation with 24 sacks as a junior last season when he won the Lombardi Award, ran the 40-yard dash in the 4.8s and 4.9s -- disappointing for a player whose specialty is speed coming off the edge. What made his times particularly disappointing was that he ran on artificial surface rather than natural grass.

"Hey, he's faster on the field than he is working out," Texans general manager Charley Casserly said. "He's a heck of a football player, and we like him."

Casserly was part of a large Texans contingent that included owner Bob McNair and coach Dom Capers, as well as two scouts.

The Texans have the third pick. They're looking at Suggs as an outside linebacker in Capers' 3-4 defense.

"We'll continue to evaluate him," Casserly said. "He's going to have another workout before the draft.

"He's a good football player. The question you have to answer before the draft is will he be worth the third pick or the 17th pick?"

Suggs also pulled a hamstring when he was working out.

Suggs' pro day for scouts turned out to be the opposite of the one for Miami receiver Andre Johnson, who impressed with his size (6-2, 230 pounds) and speed (4.3s).

The Texans are expected to draft Johnson or Suggs or trade down. Based on his performance Wednesday, don't expect Suggs to be taken among the top three picks.

[kidrock8]

Suggs plays much faster than 4.8 or whatever it is he ran.

[Ric]

Originally posted by tigereye
The current trade value for the 3rd pick just took a major blow.
not really. the players teams are targeting remain palmer, leftwich, boller, newman and/or robertson. the vikings and saints, i know, are after the pick; both want newman.

[BanginScrew]

Originally posted by Ric
not really. the players teams are targeting remain palmer, leftwich, boller, newman and/or robertson. the vikings and saints, i know, are after the pick; both want newman. Leftwich, Boller, and Robertson are all being projected to be taken somewhere between picks 6-10.

Suggs did play faster than 6.8 while at Arizona however teams have to consider he was not only playing on artificial turf but he was also playing about 10-15 pounds lighter than he is now. He added weight for the NFL but it appears to have seriously effected his speed which was his greatest asset since he's really not all that strong for a Defensive End. I could honestly see him sliding out of the top 5 due to his workout.

It's also been rumored that Marvin Lewis of Cincy will not take a QB with the top pick which means that Palmer could also slide a few picks, maybe even out of the top 5 depending on if Dallas takes him at #5.

The top 5 could easily go this way ...

1. Cincy - Newman
2. Detroit - Rogers
3. Houston - Johnson
4. Chicago - Kennedy
5. Dallas - Palmer

It really all depends on if Marvin Lewis wants to draft defense or offense. Everyone is assuming that Palmer is going #1 but don't be so sure.

[Ric]

Originally posted by BanginScrew
Leftwich, Boller, and Robertson are all being projected to be taken somewhere between picks 6-10.
how can anyone be projected to go anywhere when we don't even know what's gonna happen with the first pick? in fact, of the top 5, only detroit and charles rogers is a sure thing.

robertson has jumped ahead of kennedy, leftwich's workout is later in the month and boller is zipping up draft board because of his size and athleticism.

[tigereye]

Ric, where do the Texans go from here. The Texans do have a hole to fill in the defense with the departure of Posey. But the Texans must also improve on one of the worst offenses in the league. They have done that with the line but I feel they also need to address the receiving corps. I would think that they would draft Johnson especially after his impressive pro-day compared to Suggs. Now I know its just one pro-day and everyone sometimes has a bad day, but Suggs not only had a bad day, he even pulled his hammy. Do you think that will have a major effect on who we draft at 3 assuming we dont trade the pick?


BTW, speaking of trading the pick, have you heard any speculation regarding who or what we might recieve in return for the pick? I have heard New Orleans mentioned a million times along with the Skins' Vikes and numerous other teams. I regard you as the Joel Buschbaum (RIP), Chris Mortensen of the CC.Net BBS. Give us the skinny, the low-down on what's going on. Thanx :D

[BanginScrew]

Originally posted by Ric
how can anyone be projected to go anywhere when we don't even know what's gonna happen with the first pick? in fact, of the top 5, only detroit and charles rogers is a sure thing.
Maybe you missed where I said ... "It really all depends on if Marvin Lewis wants to draft defense or offense. Everyone is assuming that Palmer is going #1 but don't be so sure."

There's also been some recent rumors around Dallas that If Palmer is still on the board at #3 then Parcells and Jerry are going to do their best to get into that spot to draft Carson Palmer.

[Ric]

Originally posted by BanginScrew
Maybe you missed where I said ... "It really all depends on if Marvin Lewis wants to draft defense or offense. Everyone is assuming that Palmer is going #1 but don't be so sure."
as a matter of fact, i did miss what you said, since you didn't post it in conjunction with your assertion that leftwich, boller and robertson were "all being projected to be taken somewhere between picks 6-10."

as i posted, we don't even know what's going to happen 1-5, so who's projecting 6-10, and what's it based on?

Originally posted by BanginScrew
There's also been some recent rumors around Dallas that If Palmer is still on the board at #3 then Parcells and Jerry are going to do their best to get into that spot to draft Carson Palmer.
i live in dallas and have not heard anything like this at all. sounds like wishful thinking on your part. the only QB i hear being mentioned is chris simms at the top of #2. parcells was asked about him at his press conference in january and in an interview in yesterday's DMN.

[Ric]

Originally posted by tigereye
Ric, where do the Texans go from here.
i think they'll do everything in their power to try and trade down.

Originally posted by tigereye
BTW, speaking of trading the pick, have you heard any speculation regarding who or what we might recieve in return for the pick?
haven't heard much. i think they're going to have to wait until draft day, at least, i think they SHOULD wait until draft day, when things start to play out. if cincinnati passes on palmer... the hounds are officially released. best case scenario, DET swpas with a team desperate to get palmer, HOU winds up with rogers; worst case, DET sticks with rogers, HOU makes the deal with whatever team wants palmer or newman. at that point, you've got them over a barrel.

[kidrock8]

Originally posted by BanginScrew


Suggs did play faster than 6.8 while at Arizona however teams have to consider he was not only playing on artificial turf but he was also playing about 10-15 pounds lighter than he is now.

When did Suggs play on turf? As a former ASU student, I can attest that Sun Devil Stadium has a grass surface.

[rezdawg]

Originally posted by kidrock8
When did Suggs play on turf?

His workout was on artificial turf.

[moestavern19]

No one really knows who the hell Cinci is after right now, I wouldn't be suprised if they shipped their pick for another Defensive player and a late rounder. The Lions will very likely get Rogers if The Bengals or whoever else doesn't select him at 1. Andre Johnson will probably go either 3rd or 8th, he won't fall past 8 though. Chicago has Kordell now, But who knows what they are trying to do there, especially if Palmer is still on the board. Dallas seems to like Defensive players in the 1st round. Arizona will probably take hometown boy Suggs if he's there rather than getting the QB they need.

All Mock Drafts right now are based on ignorant facts and wild guessing. But this is what makes the NFL Draft so hard to predict, the combines change everything.