USA Today: Croshere a Rocket ??

[Free Agent]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2003-02-18-trade-deadline_x.htm

From USA Today:

Austin Croshere, Indiana Pacers

Age: 27, Height: 6-10, Position: Small forward-power forward

Contract: $6.96 million; signed through 2006-07.

Why trade for him: A hustler; battles on the boards; can step out and consistently drain threes.

Who's interested: Lakers, 76ers, SuperSonics, Pistons, Rockets.

[The Real Shady]

Seems like every year at the trade deadline Croshere to the Rockets gets mentioned. The only player I could see the Rockets trading for him would be MoT because the contracts are dead even in length and amount. I wouldn't do it though.

[A-Train]

Just what this team needs, ANOTHER underachieving assmaster...we already have enough of those, no thank you!

[Free Agent]

Originally posted by A-Train
Just what this team needs, ANOTHER underachieving assmaster...we already have enough of those, no thank you!



Yeah, but according to USA Today he's " A hustler; battles on the boards; can step out and consistently drain threes."

:)

[Live]

You know, Croshere wouldn't be a bad fit, he's a solid player in a "poor man's Van Horn" sort of way.

But that contract...NO WAY!!

[munco]

Croshere has some skills, but he's way overpaid and the guy isn't an improvement from what we have. I'd rather have a big rebounder or enforcer type then Croshere or Van Horn who are known as "soft".

[A-Train]

Originally posted by Free Agent
Yeah, but according to USA Today he's " A hustler; battles on the boards; can step out and consistently drain threes."

:)

Well, according to the A-Train Gazette, Austin Croshere is an underachieving, twinkie soft buttplug!

[GATER]

Croshere's best season was under Larry Bird. Bird was not a typical players' coach in the sense that he would verbally challenge his players to perform. Croshere is a decent player but would be lost for motivation playing for Rudy.

IMO, Isiah is probably somewhere between Bird and Rudy in motivating so unless there's a change coming that we don't know about, let's pass on the deal.

[Oski2005]

This USA today article is so 3 years ago.

[land_sharks]

Seems to me that the author of the article may not have as much "scoop" (although I guess they don't claim to have it) as they would think. We KNOW BEYOND THE SHADOW OF A DOUBT, from OP that the Rox are (were) interested in Grant and the Rox-Heat had discussions. Knowing that, considering that the Rockets are not listed as one of Grant's suitors, leads me to the conclusion that the article is not very accurate.

I think just about any of us could author the same article, based on heresays and whatabouts. Of course some on this board, as ridiculous as it seems, some posters would write:

1. Ming
2. Francis
3. Mobley
4.-12. Etc. Rockets
13. Andre Miller.

Man what a tough loss, but we have so much to look forward to. At least we're not the frickin' Knicks.

[Baqui99]

Croshere averages 4.7 ppg and 3.3 rebs. At $7 million a year, I think I'll pass...

[B-Bob]

Originally posted by A-Train
Well, according to the A-Train Gazette, Austin Croshere is an underachieving, twinkie soft buttplug!
How can I get a subscription to this excellent journal?

[ROXTXIA]

Originally posted by Baqui99
Croshere averages 4.7 ppg and 3.3 rebs. At $7 million a year, I think I'll pass...

Well, that's Isiah's team now. He's bringing up the boys. Croshere's the odd man out.

I just saw that mention in the McPaper (USA Today), and smiled because I think they just threw the Rockets on there, remembering we coveted Croshere years ago. And to think: he'd probably be a Rocket but he balked at the wink-wink deal that we gave Mo instead.

[pasox2]

I can not imagine a more ridiculous trade. What idiot would take that clown? Oh yeah, Rudy.

[Thanos]

There's no way in HELL we take croshere.

After dreaming about hard nosed players like Grant and Brand if we end up with this softie, I definetely give up on the rocks.

Actually croshere is not an underachiever. He overachieved with Bird. He really is the pile of crap he proved to be after getting that large contract.

[Baqui99]

Originally posted by Thanos
There's no way in HELL we take croshere.

After dreaming about hard nosed players like Grant and Brand if we end up with this softie, I definetely give up on the rocks.

Actually croshere is not an underachiever. He overachieved with Bird. He really is the pile of crap he proved to be after getting that large contract.

Agreed, Croshere is a pile of crap. If he was that good, he'd find a way onto the court for Isaiah. Croshere is the Bullard or Pete Chilcutt of 1995.

[UTweezer]

Originally posted by A-Train
Just what this team needs, ANOTHER underachieving assmaster...we already have enough of those, no thank you!

just another soft perimeter player with a huge contract we don't need.

[AroundTheWorld]

Originally posted by Live
You know, Croshere wouldn't be a bad fit, he's a solid player in a "poor man's Van Horn" sort of way.


Ouch. Next thing people will come up with will be a "poor man's Moochie Norris" or something like that. I don't know if she would be good enough for the WNBA, though.

[DearRock]

We could trade until the cows come home it will still be a situation where the coaching staff does not know how to utilize the talent, just like Pippen said and I am sure Rice and Posey would say that too.

[enfuegos]

Originally posted by Baqui99
Agreed, Croshere is a pile of crap. If he was that good, he'd find a way onto the court for Isaiah. Croshere is the Bullard or Pete Chilcutt of 1995.

What's wrong with Bullard or Chilcutt? It would be nice to have someone that could come in off the bench and make a shot every once in a while. (But I woudln't give up Mo or EG for him)

[Pole]

what if we could get their first round pick and keep our own lott.....uhhh......first round pick.

[GATER]

Originally posted by Pole
what if we could get their first round pick and keep our own lott.....uhhh......first round pick.

Indiana's record will give them a pick in the high 20's and up. If a pick is conveyed to Memphis, that pick must be within 3 of the Rox. Or perhaps you think there's a steal at pick 24 that RT will give playing tiime to and will impact the 2003-2004 team? ;)

[GATER]

Make the low 20's and up.

[Jeff]

Is Croshere any better/worse than Taylor? Their numbers are strikingly similar despite the fact that Mo plays 8 minutes more per game. Croshere also is hitting his three's at a 40 percent clip (Matt Bullard who can rebound?) and the one thing the Rockets really need around Yao and Steve are shooters.

Their deals are the same length with the exception that Croshere has a player opt-out in 2005. They are both essentially signed until 2007 and are roughly the same age (Croshere 27, Mo 26). Interestingly enough, Croshere's per-season cap figure will be a little less in the last couple years of his deal because his deal is longer.

I dunno. Sounds like a wash to me, but I'm not sure whether I'd do it or not. Croshere would have to come in here and light it up.

Now, if it were Croshere for ANYONE other than Taylor, I couldn't see it. It wouldn't make much sense.

[ewfd]

Austin isn't worth it.

He had one good post season back in 2000 and has been riding that coat tail ever since.

[Summer Song Giver]

Austin for Mo straight up, I'd do it.

[johnheath]

I wouldn't trade Mo for Croshere, because if Cato or Ming go down, Mo is our 3rd best option at the 5.

If Collier ever gets significant minutes for the Rockets, you know we are headed for the lottery again (but this time without a pick).

[enfuegos]

Originally posted by Jeff
Is Croshere any better/worse than Taylor? Their numbers are strikingly similar despite the fact that Mo plays 8 minutes more per game. Croshere also is hitting his three's at a 40 percent clip (Matt Bullard who can rebound?) and the one thing the Rockets really need around Yao and Steve are shooters.

Their deals are the same length with the exception that Croshere has a player opt-out in 2005. They are both essentially signed until 2007 and are roughly the same age (Croshere 27, Mo 26). Interestingly enough, Croshere's per-season cap figure will be a little less in the last couple years of his deal because his deal is longer.

I dunno. Sounds like a wash to me, but I'm not sure whether I'd do it or not. Croshere would have to come in here and light it up.

Now, if it were Croshere for ANYONE other than Taylor, I couldn't see it. It wouldn't make much sense.

I think I would make the deal. It's nice to have another inside presence besides Yao, but what we are really lacking are spot up shooters. On the other hand, if we did get rid of Mo we'd either need to find another inside scorer or teach EG some more post moves.

I'd hate to get rid of Mo since he's doing a great job lately, but along with his good games there hasn't been W's for the Rox. Poor shooting in the 30% - 40% range are what's killing them. 10 of their last 13 games the Rox shot below 33% from 3 point land. Most of these shots are usually open looks that they're just not knocking down.

[Jeff]

Originally posted by johnheath
I wouldn't trade Mo for Croshere, because if Cato or Ming go down, Mo is our 3rd best option at the 5.

If Collier ever gets significant minutes for the Rockets, you know we are headed for the lottery again (but this time without a pick).

Actually, in this center-less NBA, most nights Eddie could guard the opposing center. Taylor isn't that good of a defender anyway.

Besides, if Collier gets significant minutes, the Rockets ARE a lottery team. No mystery there.

[Rip Van Rocket]

Originally posted by A-Train
Just what this team needs, ANOTHER underachieving assmaster...we already have enough of those, no thank you!

I'm sorry to show my ignorance, but what exactly is an assmaster?

[Baqui99]

Originally posted by Rip Van Rocket
I'm sorry to show my ignorance, but what exactly is an assmaster?

The master of one's ass can be effectively referred to as an "assmaster." However, in this case, the term "ass clown" would be a more appropriate label for this overpaid bum.

[Jeff]

Originally posted by Baqui99
The master of one's ass can be effectively referred to as an "assmaster." However, in this case, the term "ass clown" would be a more appropriate label for this overpaid bum.

Baqui: Do you respond to every ass-related post on the BBS?

[Baqui99]

Originally posted by Jeff
Baqui: Do you respond to every ass-related post on the BBS?

Hey I enjoy getting ass just as much as the next person. :cool:

Now, to keep this basketball related: it looks like the Knicks are the new frontrunners for Croshere, not the Rockets.:



Croshere to the Knicks? By Marc Roberts
for HOOPSWORLD.com
Feb 19, 2003, 15:17
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The Chicago Tribune and the New York Post are both reporting that the Pacers are involved in a huge 5 team trade including the Warriors, Magic, Knicks and Sixers. The Pacers would send Austin Croshere to the Knicks, while the Pacers would get Charlie Ward, Brian Skinner and Mark Pope in return. The Pacers would greatly benifit from this trade because moving Croshere for Ward, Skinner and Pope would clear $4 million in cap space next summer when they try and sign JO and both Millers. It would also give them a veteran point guard to back up Jamaal Tinsley as the Pacers head toward the playoffs.

The Rest of the trade breaks down like this.
Magic get: Fortson and Othella Harrington
Sixers get: Foyle and Sura
Warriors get: DeClercq, Darrell Armstrong, Travis Knight and Coleman.
The Knicks would also get Dampier from the Warriors.

This trade may sound like a huge trade only thought of by message board junkies, but it does in fact work capwise and makes sense for all teams involved. More as it develops.

[land_sharks]

Front Runner My A$$...more like shortest straw!

[land_sharks]

Sorry Baqui for the reference to A$$, I forgot who i was replying to. Go about your day, no need to reply.

[Sane]

I really dount that Croshere at 100% is better than MoT at 100%. Also, I doubt we go with Eddie griffin at PF backed up only by Croshere and T-Mo.

I'd rather have MoT right now. He's heating up.

[land_sharks]

You think Croshere would step up on Magliorre when Magliorre is beating up his Ming-a-ling? MoT can play the remainder of his contract in H-Town, and I'll be happy, because he had balls enough to defend Yao earlier this season. BTW, that picture was hilarious, Magliorre and MoTay nose to nose, well kind of.

[Free Agent]

Croshere appears most likely on Pacers' trading block

DAN GELSTON
Associated Press

INDIANAPOLIS - Indiana Pacers president Donnie Walsh faced a delicate situation as Thursday's NBA trade deadline neared.

Walsh didn't want to alter a team that has one of the best records in the Eastern Conference. He did however, need to clear some hefty salaries if he wants to resign free agents Jermaine O'Neal, Brad Miller and Reggie Miller.

"I can't say I'm looking," Walsh said. "I think if something that makes us better comes up, then we'll consider it."

The Pacers are like seemingly every other team in the league. They're trying to dump hefty long-term contracts - like Austin Croshere's - for a player whose contract expires at the end of this season.

That clears space to sign free agents and avoid paying the league's luxury tax, something Walsh said he doesn't want to do.

Croshere has come up in trade talks since the summer. His playing time has been slashed dramatically under coach Isiah Thomas and is now the team's 10th man.

Croshere is averaging 4.7 points and 12.4 minutes in 29 games, a sharp decline from the 1999-2000 season, the year the Pacers went to the NBA Finals. He played in all 81 games that season and averaged 10.3 points in his free-agent year.

Under the deal he signed with the Pacers that offseason, he is owed nearly $31 million through the 2006-07 season and if the right trade offer comes along, Walsh will listen. He admits a change of scenery may be best for both parties.

"He wants to play. He's not getting as much playing time as his talent gives him," Walsh said of Croshere. "I think he feels he can fit in on another team. If we can find another team that he fits in on, and they want to trade, then we'd certainly consider it."

Of course, last year Walsh said he wasn't looking to deal and pulled off one of the most important trades in team history when he sent leading scorer Jalen Rose to Chicago. In return, the Pacers received Brad Miller, who was named to the All-Star team this season, Ron Artest and Ron Mercer.

"The players we got back fit into our team and made us a better a team," Walsh said.

But the trade was only Walsh's fourth deadline deal in 17 seasons.

Brad Miller, Artest and Mercer have helped lead the Pacers to one of the best records in the NBA, despite a current two-game losing streak. Their 37-17 record puts them percentage points behind Detroit for first place in the Central Division.

Pacers coach Isiah Thomas doesn't expect a trade.

"I like my team," he said. "I don't know what kind of changes we would make. We're winning."

The winning - and fact the Pacers have one of youngest teams in the league - also make Walsh hesitant to deal because he doesn't want to disrupt their chemistry.

"I'm not going to make judgments on guys that are 21 to 23 years old and their futures on the team at this point, particularly when they're winning," Walsh said.

Croshere doesn't fit that profile. He is in his sixth season and turns 28 in May.

"He's been a terrific player and a good guy here," Walsh said. "I can honestly tell another team, if you have a spot for this guy and you can play him about 25 minutes, you're going to get good results from him."

[James23]

croshere has one of the slowest release ever. once in his shooting position with the ball held up, he literally takes about 3 seconds before the ball comes out of his hands. he might not be in the future, but he should help the team right now.

[amare]

I'd do this cro for mo trade easy. Unlike Keith Van Horn, Croshere's coaches (Isiah and Larry Bird) never questioned Cro's work ethic. If you're familiar with the Indiana situation, Cro's not getting playing time because there's a personal rift between isiah and croshere. but to austin's credit, he never really talks about it to the media.

Cro's a hardworking playing and play's good D for a white guy. if he were traded to utah, he'll become another matt harpring and have a sensational year.

yes, his stats are low, but he doesnt get a lot of consistent minutes from isiah. isiah is deliberately trying to ruin his career, just like what he did to travis best while he was on his last year with indiana.

if the cro for mo trade comes up, id do it in a heartbeat.

[saleem]

The Pacers are looking to dump his salary so they can resign O'Neal so it makes no sense for them to take Taylor.

[pchan]

speaking of croshere.. i was just watching some rerun on NBA TV talkign about moses malone.. and then they went on a little segment asking nba people who do they think are the current BEST rebounder.. and I think Dr. J. said it is CROSHERE..
other people mentioned are fortson.. and ben wallace.. I believe

[giddyup]

Originally posted by amare
Cro's a hardworking playing and play's good D for a white guy.
Are you sure you didn't mean to say "dunks well for a white guy?"

[ROXTXIA]

Originally posted by James23
croshere has one of the slowest release ever. once in his shooting position with the ball held up, he literally takes about 3 seconds before the ball comes out of his hands. he might not be in the future, but he should help the team right now.

So is that where Eddie gets that slow windup from? Eddie has that same kinda shot. Socrates came up with treatises (sp?) quicker than Eddie shoots the 3.

[A-Train]

Originally posted by James23
croshere has one of the slowest release ever.

Nobody, and I repeat, NOBODY has as slow a release on his jumper as Mario Elie...EVER!

As for the assmaster comment, that was a South Park reference...Hey, I make Simpsons references all the time, so I thought I would mix it up a little. :)

[DavidS]

Originally posted by Free Agent
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2003-02-18-trade-deadline_x.htm

From USA Today:

Austin Croshere, Indiana Pacers

Age: 27, Height: 6-10, Position: Small forward-power forward

Contract: $6.96 million; signed through 2006-07.

Why trade for him: A hustler; battles on the boards; can step out and consistently drain threes.

Who's interested: Lakers, 76ers, SuperSonics, Pistons, Rockets.

I'd take him.

He could be a better PF than MoT, with the proper motivation. Earn that paycheck, or get blacklisted.