I have a question capologists

[DaFranchise]

I have a question about sign-and-trades. If a team refuses to facilitate a sign-and-trade with a player, could another team with caproom sign-and-trade him? I'm only asking because, potentially, Rashard Lewis could sign with the Bulls or Magic or Clips for 5.6 Million, something the Sonics can't match, and then be traded to us for Bryce Drew. There may be rules against this, that's what I'm asking.

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[Clutch]

I'm no capologist but I know the answer to that question is no.

Also -- Rashard Lewis for Bryce Drew? Only one team in the history of the NBA would take a Bryce Drew over a Rashard Lewis...

Oh yeah.... that's us.

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[The Cat]

Clutch- LOL http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/smile.gif

I'm sure Milwaukee is also close to completing a deal with Seattle in which they ship out Mircad Turkcan for Lewis. http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/wink.gif

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[DaFranchise]

Wow, I appreciate the sarcasm, but the Bulls or whoever does it would be getting Bryce Drew for nothing, all they would be doing is doing the trade so Lewis can go to the Rockets without the Sonics getting in the way. The Clips, for example, would be a team that would be willing and happy to take Bryce Drew. It's not like Lewis would be going to them anyway.

You see, Clutch, that's the way sign-and-trades work. Would you trade Penny Hardaway for Danny Manning and Pat Garrity? How about Scottie Pippen for Roy Rogers and a second round pick? But, if you knew you would be getting either Manning/Garrity or nothing, what would you take? That's what I thought.

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[DaFranchise]

You are right, though, Clutch, that you can't sign-and-trade another team's free agent. That was just something I had never heard, which is why I asked if it was legal. It sure could've been useful here though.

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[NIKEstrad]

DaFranchise-In some cases, nothing is better. Nothing that gives you cap room, so you can get a real something later, instead of if you're lucky, role players.

It also effectively screws the player out of several millions if he wants to go to a team capped out.

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[DaFranchise]

If nothing is better, teams say no. But Bryce Drew doesn't eat up a lot of caproom, with one year left on his deal for like 1.5 million. Also, in most cases, teams don't hold big enough grudges that they deliberately screw a player out of the money.

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[NIKEstrad]

anyhow, it'd have to be Drew and our exception, because WE have to be able to take on the salary. In other teams cases, they have to take on 9 million (BYC) and most teams won't take on 9 Bryce Drews, so they'd be more likely to drop a Laettner or Walt Williams type of contract on the team that's long term

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[DaFranchise]

My bad, I meant to write that the exception would be involved.

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[Sky Pilot]

If Chicago or Orlando offers Lewis $5.6M, I am sure the Sonics will find a way to match.

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[Mango]

Maybe Seattle could do a wink for some makeup money on a future contract, but not any extra on a contract to be signed for the upcoming season.

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[NIKEstrad]

Mango-Of course they could say that. If they were smart, they'd give him a "starting" clause, similar to Shandon. I think he's a near lock to stay in Seattle. What Payton wants, Payton gets.

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My sig has a bigger following than previously thought.

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[DaDakota]

Not sure why this would not work. I do not think there is anything in the CBA against it.

In fact, I am more worried that this could happen with Cuttino.

DaDakota

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[Sky Pilot]

Originally posted by DaDakota:
Not sure why this would not work. I do not think there is anything in the CBA against it.




Rashard is a restricted FA, hence Seattle will match and keep him.

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[MManal]

Sky, if the Bulls offer 5.6 mil for Rashard Lewis, and he signs their offer sheet, then the Sonics cannot keep him under their current salary limiations. They can only match up to 4.1 mil as they are capped out and Lewis has only been with them two yrs on a rookie minimum. The Rockets are in the same position with Cuttino Mobley.

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[Mango]

MManal,

This will be fun to watch.

Mango

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[DaFranchise]

It doesn't make sense to me why this is illegal but it is. According to bskball.com's FAQ about the CBA, "under no circumstances can a team sign and then trade another team's free agent."

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[aelliott]

MManal is correct. If Chicago offered Lewis more than what Seattle can offer (~$4.1M/yr for a 2 year deal or $2.3M for a one year deal), then Seattle couldn't match the offer.

If that happend Chicago would not be allowed to trade Lewis until the later of 3 months from the date he was signed or Dec. 15th. So, in this case, he'd have to stay with Chicago until after Dec. 15th.

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[heypartner]

what Aelliott is saying in his classic style can be emphasized with an obnoxious response from someone, might as well be me.

There is a reaon you have never heard of a

Sign-n-trade-n-trade

Because you can't DO IT DaFranchise. This is Stupid, because it is ILLEGAL This thread is stupid...stupid. Please delete it before falsehoods sink into truth.

Please just delete the thread. You got your answer, now I guarantee others will use you question as truth. It is not your fault for asking, but you are not talking about reality, and it will spread as truth on this board. No matter how nice Aelliott is in his response ugh.

Upon further review of your thread, I see your attempt to stop the speculation. You can't sign-n-trade-n-trade, because it makes a mockery of the CBA. Mainly because the home team should only have to compete with teams with cap room, not every team in the damn league as you suggest via Chicago/Orlando/Clippers as a trading conduit.

Besides, as Clutch pointed out, once Chicago got him, everyteam could outbid the Drew deal. Man, DaFrachise, talk about homey blinders you are wearing. When I make a falsehood thread like this, I just delete it and make a new topic retraction to prevent spreading. You should as well. Nevermind, I'll do it for you. hehe.

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[CriscoKidd]

oooohhh....

Heypartner said stupid.

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[Sky Pilot]

Originally posted by MManal:
Sky, if the Bulls offer 5.6 mil for Rashard Lewis, and he signs their offer sheet, then the Sonics cannot keep him under their current salary limiations. They can only match up to 4.1 mil as they are capped out and Lewis has only been with them two yrs on a rookie minimum. The Rockets are in the same position with Cuttino Mobley.



Seattle's GM says he would make any neccessary trade to free up enough salary to sign Lewis. Another $1.5M would be really easy for Seattle to obtain.

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[NIKEstrad]

Sky-No it wouldn't. They'd have to get 5.6 million UNDER the cap. Their free agents are Davis, McCoy, Person, Vinson, Patterson, and Lewis. Lewis makes 385K, and Patterson makes a little over 1 million. Their team salary last year was 38.258 million. The projected cap for this year is 35.5 million, if they let Davis, Person, Vinson, McCoy and Patterson go (McCoy and Patterson SHOULD be due for a raise, if anything) they still would be most likely a little above the cap, and that doesn't count all the people who's contracts raise (like the Bakers and Paytons of the world, etc.). Getting over 5 million under the cap will be a real challenge.

(Maybe Houston's exception could help them out here...but I don't see any players Houston would really like.

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[Sky Pilot]

#1 - Patterson isn't a free agent.

#2 - It would be very easily for Seattle to trade say a Vernon Maxwell for draft picks to free up cap room to sign Lewis.

If you don't believe me, just search the Seattle Times archives and read the comments made by Seattle's GM yourself.


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[Sky Pilot]

McCoy isn't a FA either.

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[Sky Pilot]

More: Baker's contract goes down because he is about to start receiving BYC.

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[MManal]

Seattle's GM says he would make any neccessary trade to free up enough salary to sign Lewis. Another $1.5M would be really easy for Seattle to obtain.

Uh, its not clearing off an additional 1.5 mil. If it was that easy it would not be a problem. Seattle's payroll last yr was 38.25 mil. That makes them over the cap by roughly 3.25 mil. The 4.1 mil they can pay Lewis is b/c they are capped out and that is 108% of the league average. If they want to start trying to match 5.6 mil, they are going to have to clear 3.25 plus another 5.6 mil. Thus, just clearing 1.5 mil is not going to cut it. In Seattle's situation, thats going to be very difficult to do as they have overpaid underperforming players on their roster like Vin Baker and Brent Barry. Basically, if Rashard Lewis signs a 5.6 mil offer sheet from the Bulls, Seattle is pretty much out of the race and loses their 2nd best player.


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[MManal]

More: Baker's contract goes down because he is about to start receiving BYC.

I dont think thats accurate. BYC has nothing to do with how much the player counts on the cap, all it does is make his contract value IN TRADES worth less. Just b/c Baker will be BYC, it does not magically drop his salary from 9 mil to 4.5 mil on the cap.

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[Sky Pilot]

Basically, if Rashard Lewis signs a 5.6 mil offer sheet from the Bulls, Seattle is pretty much out of the race and loses their 2nd best player.

Most sources are saying Seattle could easily free up to $7,000,000 to sign Lewis. You are welcome to read Seattle's GM's comments online at the Seattle Times.

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[NIKEstrad]

For their free agents I went by this list: http://www.bskball.com/2000freeagents.htm

I believe Baker already started BYC, he made 9 mill this past year, which is the starting salary.

Maxwell for picks? Only to a team with an exception (Houston/Indiana) or teams under the cap (LAC, Orlando, Chicago) which none of would seem to have Maxwell high on the list. CBA trade restrictions. He'd be traded for picks AND a player with a salary within 15% of his, which basically would clear about 200K.

His salary increases 12.5%, and I did the math, 85% of his for next year, is more than his salary from last year (if that makes any sense at all.)

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[heypartner]

Sky Pilot...you are confused, and entering into my radar. I suggest not doing any fly-bys into stupid threads anymore, especially when spewing garbage and having a history of carrying baggage of past obnoxious posts.

Post wrong facts again in this thread that already is liable to cause stupid speculation, and you will become Devil for a month.

Did I say you are so wrong!? You Devil.

[Sky Pilot]

McCoy and Davis are FA in 2001 and Patterson in 2002; get a new source for FA information.



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[Sky Pilot]

Did I say you are so wrong!?

Wrong about what?

Please enlighten me.

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[MManal]

Most sources are saying Seattle could easily free up to $7,000,000 to sign Lewis.

Oh yea? Exactly how do they plan to do this? Dump the overpaid stiffs like Vin Baker and Brent Barry on some dumb team? I'll believe that when I see it. Even if they dump Max's guaranteed contract on someone (which is also highly unlikely) that still creates no where near 7 mil. The ones they have to clear are Baker and Barry who have major deadweight on the cap.

Also, exactly what do you expect Seattle's GM to say? That they are in deep trouble if the Bulls put a bunch of money on the table? Yea right.

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[Sky Pilot]

Patterson has player option for 2002 (which means he can opt. out in 2001).

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[Sky Pilot]

The ones they have to clear are Baker and Barry who have major deadweight on the cap.

...or Horace Grant, who's contract expires in 2001.

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[NIKEstrad]

Sky Pilot-anyways, back to the original point, that puts Seattle in an even worse situation, as they have only 2 other players to renounce, neither with significant contracts.

The newspapers are also the same device that are claiming free agent for free agent sign and trade (Eddie Jones for Ron Mercer) and the ones in Detroit are claiming how well off they are financially for the free agent market.



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[MManal]

...or Horace Grant, who's contract expires in 2001.

Ya and some team that already has that cap space is just going to absorb his salary right? They wont go after any big name FAs they'll just absorb an over the hill PFs contract. Get real "Mr Rational". If a team is interested in Grant, they'll trade the Sonics players that equal his contract, not just eat his contract into cap space. Think about it.

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[heypartner]

Sky Pilot,

The Sonics cannot free up $7m....don't even try. Just quietly move along to other threads, and let this stupid thread die.

If you want to know how wrong you are in nearly everything you have written in this thread...just post in the NBA area about the Sonics, and we can continue there.

Stop your stupid Fly-Bys into this thread.

To the admins:

This thread is no longer about the Rockets, because Clutch and Aelliott answered the question. This thread is only spreading misinformation at this point, and misinformation about the Supersonics at that.

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[Sky Pilot]

Sky Pilot-anyways, back to the original point, that puts Seattle in an even worse situation, as they have only 2 other players to renounce, neither with significant contracts.

The $4.1M Seattle can offer Lewis is already factoring the renouncement of all of their FAs.

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[NIKEstrad]

you're still gonna have to take things back in return for him. Houston has no need for him, unless you were to take him for something to the tune of Bryce Drew. Chicago has no need for him, and they've already gotten rid of him. Clippers wouldn't dare pay him. Orlando is ditto with Chicago. Indiana would be the only possibility with their exception, but I'm sure they'll be busy with their slew of free agents (Smits, Jackson, Croshere, Miller, Rose, Mullin, etc.) that they won't take on an aging vet, especially if Smits retires, they'll hand the team over to Rose, Croshere, Bender, Harrington, and Best. No other team can take him for nothing, so they won't be clearing that money.

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[Sky Pilot]

Ya and some team that already has that cap space is just going to absorb his salary right? They wont go after any big name FAs they'll just absorb an over the hill PFs contract. Get real "Mr Rational". If a team is interested in Grant, they'll trade the Sonics players that equal his contract, not just eat his contract into cap space. Think about it.

One trade mentioned that Seattle could pull to cut cap money was a deal sending Grant and Williams to the Clippers for a second round draft pick and a future conditional 1st round draft pick.

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[heypartner]

wrong again...

It is the Early Bird exception that gives them $4.1m to spend!

Please shut up. You know nothing about capology.

So, you are someone who insists on talking about what they don't know. That is indeed my definition of "stupidity".

[AroundTheWorld]

Popeye, please come back...

[Sky Pilot]

Haypartner,
The Sonics can free up $7,000,000, but they probably would have to give up too much to do so.

Please enlighten me to what I posted that was inaccurate.

Stop your stupid Fly-Bys into this thread.

To the admins:

This thread is fine and the only spreading of misinformation at this point is by Haypartner.


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[NIKEstrad]

hp-aelliott has taught you well http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/wink.gif

Houston can offer Mobley that same 4.1 million for the Early Bird Exception. By your logic, by renouncing the 9 million dollar Sir Charles as a free agent (due to retirement) we could then offer Mobley the $9,000,000 max, and still have another 4.1 million left to offer someone else. Not quite the case, is it?

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[heypartner]

wrong again...

Shut up in this thread already.

Just start one in the NBA area. I read that Seattle Archive. You are wrong!

NIKE: here we go. I'm going to keep calling Sky Pilot a Fly-By fool until he stops posting here. I just might hit my 2000 tonight!!!!

[Sky Pilot]

Originally posted by heypartner:
wrong again...

It is the Early Bird exception that gives them $4.1m to spend!

Are you telling me that the average salary of an NBA player is now $4.1M?


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[heypartner]

yes you idiot.

Final number is not available until July 1st, but the calculations are $3.8-4.1m.

[NIKEstrad]

ok, now for some more misinformation. We *could* get about 10 million or more under the cap this year, in one simple transaction. We could trade Hakeem's 16 million dollar contract to the Bulls, Magic, or Clippers. But now, is that gonna happen? Altogether now-NOO

There are a lot of things that could happen. The Magic could get all the way to the whole 35.5 million under the cap, by "selling" (trading for nothing) their players to the Clippers, Rockets, Pacers, and Bulls. But, is that gonna happen?

I will be utterly shocked if the Sonics manage to get under the cap, let alone 7 million under.

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[Sky Pilot]

I guess $4.1m is the now the average salary. Remember that big Heat-Cavs Hot Rod Williams dealing where he ended up being the highest paid player making slightly over $4,000,000?

And, another thing, what is it set at (the average player salary for EB). I have heard $3.8m - $4.1m.

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[heypartner]

again admins...

we are not talking about the Rockets anymore.

Now we are listen to a Fly-By fool slinky- slinking away while trying to save some face for attempting capology crap without knowing anything about it.

[NIKEstrad]

I believe the average salary is 3.8 million, but early bird is 15% more than the average salary, which is where they get the 4.1?

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[Sky Pilot]

Hey admin,

Haypartner's closed-minded views are trying to be used in censuring me from the BBS. Please alert his parents that his behavior is unacceptable.

(grow up Haypartner)



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[Sky Pilot]

I believe the average salary is 3.8 million, but early bird is 15% more than the average salary, which is where they get the 4.1?

No. It is the average salary (or a significant raise in the previous year's salary (maybe our resident pre-teen HP can tell you the exact #)) that is used.

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[heypartner]

I'm not freaking censoring you, you idiot.

I'm trying to kill this thread, and asking you to take the Seattle talk to the NBA Thread, which is the appropriately place to spew more of your stupidity.

Fill free to take it up there.

[heypartner]

Heypartner's definition of "stupidity": The insistence to continue discussions on topics about which you know nothing.

[Sky Pilot]

You are acting like an 11 year old, Haypartner. Do everyone a favor and grow up. You should of said: "please move this discussion to the Seattle board", instead you said: "I'm going to keep calling Sky Pilot a Fly-By fool until he stops posting here. I just might hit my 2000 tonight!!!!"

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[Sky Pilot]

Haypartner,

I don't see you getting on the cases of other people on this same thread who have made false or inaccurate statements. You must be biased against eloquence and intelligence; two things which you clearly lack.

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[heypartner]

I did, you idiot.

1. I asked the author to delete the thread after he got his answer, because this thread will feed misinformation.

2. I started another thread to playfully retract this one,

3. Didn't work, you restarted misinformation.

4. I harshly but playfully jabbed at you (which you have shown the willingness to do in the past by calling people "stupid") and wrote this

Sky Pilot...you are confused, and entering into my radar. I suggest not doing any fly-bys into stupid threads anymore, especially when spewing garbage and having a history of carrying baggage of past obnoxious posts.
Post wrong facts again in this thread that already is liable to cause stupid speculation, and you will become Devil for a month.

Did I say you are so wrong!? You Devil.

4. you apparently ignored it in your manner of only arguing with people who you can call stupid.

5. I repeated myself to move this to the NBA Thread, then repeated it again.

To me, all that is OK, except for the fact you continue to act as someone with the knowledge to answer the Authors thread...you aren't. That is my definition of stupidity; your insistence.

Just let the thread die, or I will be a child just like you. Calling me a child first, does not mean you aren't one as well.


I am a child. But with noble causes at least....I will kill this thread, because it harbors misinformation.

I am the child that the admins can't be. I can spew child pranks all over your crap. The admins can't.

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[NIKEstrad]

oops, it's 8%

I feel like aelliott, here goes-
19. How is "average salary" defined?
The league computes the average salary by taking the total salaries paid during the previous season, dividing by 362.5 (29 teams, times 12.5 players per team) and then adding eight percent. This average salary figure is used when determining the salaries payable using the Early-Bird, injury and average salary exceptions; and when determining an unsigned free agent's cap hit.

There we are. This also answers several other questions such as how much of an exception we'd get should Hakeem be ruled an injury exception due to breathing problems. Same for Jayson Williams. Carry on.

hp-think you'll be able to get there before the game 3 ends?

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[Sky Pilot]

Haypartner,

My only misinformation was thinking Seattle was under the cap. Everything else I have said is true. Other people here falsely reported FAs, etc. yet you don't threaten to taunt those individuals off these boards. The reason I feel this thread should be deleted is because of your childish insults and actions.


DO US ALL A FAVOR AND GROW UP!

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[Sky Pilot]

Also, I have never called anyone here stupid. I have said that some ideas that have been said here were ignorant (HP: open up a dictionary and look up stupid and ignorant so you will know the difference in the future).

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[Mango]

I told you this would be fun to watch.

Mango

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[DaFranchise]

The answer to my question is NO. You cannot sign-and-trade another team's free agent. Both of you, Sky and HP, have said some wrong things and misread my question. I didn't ask if you could sign-n-trade-n-trade, I aksed if you could sign-and-trade someone else's free agent.

I will not delete this thread because people have gotten a lot of false information from this thread and if I delete, what I say here will never be read.

YOU CANNOT SIGN-AND-TRADE ANOTHER TEAM'S FREE AGENT.

PLEASE LET THIS BE THE LAST POST OF THE THREAD.

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[NIKEstrad]

DaFranchise-that's what a sign-n-trade-n-trade is (signing and trading another team's FA.

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NIKE, sign-n-trade-n-trade isn't even a word or expression. At least I have never seen it used. That would mean, in this case, that Seattle signs and trades Lewis to Chicago, who trades him to us. Come up with a better word for it, try this expression out: Sign-and-trading another team's free agent. Wow.

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[heypartner]

damn DSL...knocked me off for 2 hours...

let me reiterate...

DaFranchise should rise up and delete this thread.

I will only get sillier and sillier, and more childish. Sky Pilot,,,the first thread I read from you had several posts calling people stupid. You came up on my sky radar on your first thread.

Let the childish behavior continue...I will crush this thread, before I will let more misinformation abound. I am the child the admins can't be.

[CriscoKidd]

MORE MORE!

70 posts of zzzz ignorance!

Im done with my cookies.

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[DaFranchise]

Why should I delete this thread? Does it's existence really bother you that much heypartner? Besides, many people have read some pretty stupid stuff in this thread and if I delete it, they won't be able to read the solution. The answer to the original question is no, let that be the end please.

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[Dr of Dunk]

Originally posted by Mango:
I told you this would be fun to watch.

Mango



Please Mr. Serious Policeman, don't stop this.... it's making for a fun summer on the BBS. (Admins, PLEASE don't close this thread. http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/wink.gif)

GreaseBoy, FruitBoy, I'll grab the popcorn...


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[Dr of Dunk]

Originally posted by CriscoKidd:
MORE MORE!

70 posts of zzzz ignorance!

Im done with my cookies.




D00d, pass me a cookie... Romper Room is in full swing. I'm waiting for Barney to come bouncing in screaming about BYC players.

I love you... you love me... let's watch SkyPee fight HeyPee...


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[heypartner]

wrong again Sky Pilot. I know count 3-4 pieces of misinformation from you.

I'm not going to point it out the Seattle stuff until you start an NBA Dish Thread. There we can be civil. But in this thread, I will only be childish with you.

You did call people Ignorant and Stupid in your past threads. I don't need a dictionary to know you only use them synonomously here. You say Ignorant as some high brow, classy way to call someone Stupid, whereas, I just call you stupid to your face; you idiot. I am basing my right to be childish with you on the following exchange you had in the first thread I saw you in.

search for "different ways to get swift"

Sky Pilot to Jazz750

I disagree. KT, Drew, and Cato did not do as good as Bibby, Dickerson, or Abdur-Rahim. What a stupid statement.

same thread:

To Jazz750 again,

JayZ750,
I will keep this civil. PLEASE READ ALL OF MY POSTS YOU IGNORANT FOOL, BEFORE YOU MAKE STUPID COMMENTS!

There I kept it civil.

Continue with the discussion folks.


Sky Pilot explaining himself

Sorry but my angry rant is in response to another angry rant directed at me. I don't use personal insults unless they are used at me (like forest fire fighting; fight fire with fire).

Sky Pilot, something about me. I do childish first strikes, because they serve their purpose, and I don't care about my cc.net reputation anyhow. Who strikes first doesn't matter when both parties have said in the past they will do strikes on stupidity.

[This message has been edited by heypartner (edited June 11, 2000).]

[Dr of Dunk]

Originally posted by heypartner:
cc.net reputation anyhow. We are here to have fun. But I will prevent misinformation in the best manner at my disposal.


I'm guessing you weren't given too many options if this was the "best manner"... http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

Carry on.


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[rocketsfan34]

I would just tell Sky to admit he's wrong and move on, however that would not be any fun to watch.

Yo Doc, scoot over man, I want front moniter seats on this.

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Quit interrupting! Start your own lame thread if you want to have fun. I've claimed this one! Just grab a seat and some popcorn. HeyPee is defending the world from that eeeevil SkyPee. Check out his cape... and those tights man... what a riot. http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[heypartner]

ouch...pesky little chat bees.

I hate it when they get inside my chaps and chat my hide.

Wasn't it Jim Croce who said:

You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't turn off DSL when Heypees on the John
And you don't mess around with Hutz
Da do da do....

[heypartner]

Or was it:

"You don't pull the mask off the ole LHutz
And you don't mess around with Pee"

[Dr of Dunk]

I dunno man, but I pretty much try not to mess around with pee whenever possible. I don't need a song for that.... ya filthy McNasty!!!!

(ok, it's official, this thread has gone to Hell like no other thread before it; it has gone to Hell so bad, the Devil himself had to move over to make room for it.)

Oh, and that was one LAME (but successful) attempt at obtaining double credits for what amounts to a single post. The noyv. You may get to 2000, but you'll be granted no cookie!

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[B-ball freak]

I sincerely regret taking the weekend off. I would have loved to have gotten a piece of this action.

"You must be biased against eloquence and intelligence" No, Butt Pilot, just you!

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[JayZ750]

Wow
70 posts amounting to nothing really. THis is quite exciting. Keep it up heypartner. And I dont think you really need to have to explain yourself. We all understand you are being childish for a purpose.

For the record though, since it seems I have been quoted in this thread: I never said that KT, Drew, and Cato had a better season than Rahim, Othella, and Dickerson. I was just pointing out they might have trade value to the Grizz as unlike the Grizzzlies 3, KT, Drew and Cato actually helped a team win more than 30 games. Sky Pilot just wasnt able to correctly read my point without making some strange reply quickly.

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