Where are the ODOM for #1 People now?

[Rocket River]

Would you still trade Yao and a Player for Lamar Odom?

Rocket River

[Sane]

No, but would you bet anything on Yao averaging 20/12/3 through the month of December?

I created the #5 for Odom talk. At #1, I created the Odom and Kandi for #1 and Cato talk.

Don't act like I suddenly went into the dark and decided to rid the world of myself.

Where's the "KT can do anything" people now that the KT being a SF project FAILED?

[A-Train]

I think Cuttino was the only person that wanted Odom. :)

[rockbox]

On a side note. Do ya'll think there is a way to get him this off season. There is not way Sterling is going to pay all those players, so he has to let some of them go. Can we afford to offer him a MCE? Can or will any team offer more than that?

[Deckard]

What have you gotten yourself INto, Sane? ;)

I thought Kenny was playing PF because the other two guys weren't playing as well? Uh, MoT just isn't playing, so maybe that's not fair.

Until Odom plays a long stretch uninjured the way he's capable of, the Clippers should be happy with Mooch and a tube of Pringles to be named later.

(j/k, but is Odom EVER going to be himself again?)

[B-ball freak]

Maybe they'll take Mo T back.

[rezdawg]

I would trade Yao for Odom now.


They also throw in Kandi, Brand, Miller, and the next 15 years worth of #1 picks.

[Desert Scar]

More and more I am thinking Odom might be a guy really worth rolling the dice with. A point forward who thinks pass first but can score if open and go to the hole might be a perfect compliment. Who says a center and a three can't be the best passing players on an effective team. Odom would be a risk, but it shouldn't cost anywhere near his potential because he has played so little over the last 15 months or so due to a variety of reasons.

Of course I was never that enamored with Odom or Kandi--any deal with the #1 with the Clips I discussed started with Brand and went up from there (Brand + Odom or Magette or Miles or the like). People thought I was crazy sayng just Brand wasn't enough for this years #1 pick (rights to their choice of Ming/JW).

[land_sharks]

I was for trading BOKI and KT for ODOM. But not MING. I do feel like I'm confessing, but I didn't even commit the "sin" of wanting to trade MING. I knew Ming would be this good, because I am smart.

I do recall ROCKET!!! stating that we could have Brand, Odom and Curry for Ming through a myriad of trades with LAC and CHI. I was on record as stating that Ming wasn't THAT good, but it looks like I was wrong on that one, he may actually turn out to be THAT good. I guess I'm not all that smart afterall....

PROCEED...I've confessed.

[A-Train]

Steve Francis for Lamar Odom...

[thumbs]

Originally posted by A-Train
Steve Francis for Lamar Odom... Only if they add Brand and A. Miller under long-term contracts. (I know, Gater, it won't work under the cap rules, but I don't want it to work anyway.)

[pasox2]

I wanted odom and kandi for # 5-# 7. I was looking to raid the Clips roster all last season. I'm ecstatic we lucked into the # 1 and got Yao, instead. I still want Odom and would pay a good price for him. He's a very good fit for this team, would help in many ways.

[JoeBarelyCares]

I think the late TroyBaros was a big proponent of such a trade as well.

[Sane]

Odom can really change this team if he is able to stay healthy. That's a big if, but it may be worth the risk.

Problem is, there's nothing the Clippers want that we have. We dont have a pick next year. Would they do Boki for Odom?

Talent for potential. Like Chandler for Brand. Odom has injury questions and Boki has "playing out potential" questions.

[MManal]

I dont think that once people really got to see Yao in the lengthy video clips that anyone was really in support of making the deal. The speculation by myself and others was before getting a real lengthy look at Yao; based on what the scouting reports, articles etc stated about his game. I think once people got a lengthy look at Yao, about 99% were ok with the pick except Barros.

Also, if Yao had not developed this fast, this team would be nowhere near the 13-10 mark it is at now. If it really was going to take 2 plus yrs like the initial reports stated (which were proven to be a crock) this team would be headed for lottery year #4. The new NBA defenses have really dulled the effectiveness of the previous guard based offense and luckily Yao has been developing quickly to counterract that. This team is not playoff material without Yao.

[Sane]

I don't know MManal,

Cato was pretty damn good at the beginning of the season. We probably wouldn't be 4th, but I definitely could see us at 8th. This team would've made the playoffs with or without Yao Ming. But what Yao Ming has done is changed this team into a future contender and current darkhorse in the league.

[MManal]

Sane,

We'll agree to disagree on that point. The only time the offense has had any semblance of continuity is when Yao is involved and making the decisions. When Yao isnt involved, this team just does not do a very good job of playing as a team, and the offense stagnates. The advent of zone defenses has really caused the iso oriented guard sets to become less useful and this team just would not have had the savvy enough talent to adjust.

[xiki]

Odom is excellent, when healthy. When clean. In theory ??? a deal MIGHT HAVE been Odom and #8 for #1 and a salary cap equalizer.

In the Association, in multiple player deals, the team which gets the ONE player beats the team which gets the MULTIPLE players.

[Tonaaayyyy]

Collier and Mickael for Odom and the Clipper Girls.


Trade Accepted everyone wins.

[NIKEstrad]

To be historically correct...

It was never Yao Ming + for Odom... It was Odom + for Ming (#1), and the plus was at least the #8 overall, possibly another lotto pick as well (#12). Based on Clutch's reports, it's quite likely we would've drafted Stoudemire at 8. Anyone's guess what happens at 12. If Odom were healty (big if), I don't think anyone would be upset about having Stoudemire and Odom.

How many people thought Yao would get this good, this quick?

[rockbox]

Clippers are going to lose atleast one if not players for nothing or close to nothing(future draft pick). I just don't know who they are going to give up. I think Kandi is on his way out and Brand may be also. If they keep Brand which would be close to a max contract, would Sterling be willing to Odom significantly more than the MCE. So the questions are who does Sterling keep and who is willing and can afford to pay Odom more than the MCE.

I really don't the answer to this question. The only team I know that has cap space next year will be the Spurs and Utah.

If all teams interested in him can only afford to offer the MCE, then I think Houston has a good shot because of the MoT, Cat connection.

[clippy]

Kandi is almost certainly gone, probably the Denver or San Antonio. It's hard to fathom Brand not being resigned at top-dollars, seeing the kind of season he is having. The ? marks are Miller and Odom. Miller will probably get near-max offers. I don't think Odom will, simply because of his history of injuries and suspensions. But he will certainly get offers higher than the MLE.

Sterling has always been high on Odom (pun intended), so I would be shocked if he wasn't resigned. Miller too, since otherwise the trade last year doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense. But, as outside fans note, something has to give.

Someone should bump this thread in two months. I suspect that Odom is going to have a big year, yet. He's been on the bench looking eager to jump into the game practically all season, and I think the year away has really peaked his desire for the game. But I'm just speaking as a homer Clipper fan. :D

[rockbox]

Clippy,

An educated guess would say Sterling ain't going to pay 2 near max contracts and another 5mil/year contract. So who goes. If it were up to you (a clips fan), who would you keep and who would let going goin on the premise that Sterling ain't going over the cap.

[Deckard]

This quick, NIKEstrad?? Not me. I was sold on Yao after the video clips, but some of the trade scenarios thrown around (Clippers, Chicago) were intriguing. I thought Yao was going to be good, but not this good this fast. I hope he can keep it up.

clippy, when was the last time Sterling paid a player a max contract?

[Sane]

I think it's stupid not to keep this team together. The hardest thing to get in today's game is a C, and Kandi is one of the better ones in the league.

I'm a HUGE fan of Odom, but realistically, the Clipps would be better off keeping Kandi. With Miller, Brand, and Kandi, Odom is not the type of player they need. At the 3, these guys canr eally use a shooter type. Someone like Mike Miller or Wally Szerbiack. Quentin Richardson, once he works on his handles and control of the ball, is their starter.

For a team like the Rockets who have a offensively gifted scorer like Francis at the point, Odom would be a perfect fit.

For the Clippers, they have a very bright future if they keep Kandi, Brand and Miller.

Kandi
Brand
xxxxx
Q Richardson
Miller

Odom + Ely or Wilcox could probably get them Mike Miller. That would be a nice deal. But then, Miller is going to need an extension soon too. Then what?

At some point, the guy's going to have to start paying.

[JohnnyBlaze]

Originally posted by rezdawg
I would trade Yao for Odom now.


They also throw in Kandi, Brand, Miller, and the next 15 years worth of #1 picks.

Actually on the serious tip, i would consider Yao for Odom and Kandi and i would definately do Yao for Odom and Brand.

[UT Baller]

I do wonder what the likelihood of Odom taking less money in order to play with his friends (Steve and Cat) and a guy who is tearing up the L (Yao)? The injuries and suspensions have hurt his value quite a bit, but there are coaches and GMs that love Odom (Riley and Elgin Baylor for example).

Now to the point. I was a big proponent of the Odom and especially the Curry deals for #1. Now since Yao is playing so well I have to say we made the right decision. But Steve, Cat,a healthy Odom, Griffin/MoT, and Cato would win quite a few games themselves.

[Timing]

I think I wanted Odom, Miles, #8, and #12 for our #1 and filler.

[bigboymumu]

Originally posted by rezdawg
I would trade Yao for Odom now.


They also throw in Kandi, Brand, Miller, and the next 15 years worth of #1 picks.

I remember you, Dallas..?(DocDallas), I think UTBaller? and our favorite friend, Troy, wanting that trade. I may be wrong so my apologies in advance. I want those that wanted this trade or any other trade for Ming to fess up and say they were wrong.

[RIET]

1. Most people against Odom, 8, and 12 (if that was offered) didnt want to assume the baggage and risk associated with drug suspensions, immaturity, injuries, and all around stupidity.

2. Even if we had the 8, Im not sure we wouldve taken Stoudemire (although certainly a high probability).

3. Yao has brought the Rockets a lot of publicity which over the long run is good for the franchise.

4. A great center is still the hardest position to fill. Stoudemire could become a great PF but we were loaded at that position.

5. Odom's contract is going to be a real sticky issue. If you give him a $$$ of money, he could be the next Shawn Kemp. This is a headache Im glad we dont have to worry about.

[pgabriel]

Tonaayyyy, Did you get that name from a Seinfeld episode?


Look people, we do not need any of the Clippers. The only one who doesn't have issues is Miller. Brand is a great player, but on the court, he is a black hole, we have enough on our team. Odom has probably the most potential, but that guy hasn't shown any maturity yet. Why do you think that team is still sub 500 with all that talent? So lets forget about trades with them, we already have one of their pot head forwards, whose over weight and absolutely refuses to rebound. Other than that he is pretty good.

[verse]

mo taylor is not overweight. in fact, he's in pretty damn good shape. please stop spreading falsehoods.

[pgabriel]

Mo Taylor is overweight, check out his college years. And before you say his body is maturing, the guy isn't 30 so that isn't an excuse. And what do you have to say about his rebounding?

[clippy]

rockbox-- Sterling can pay Brand, Miller, and Odom their market value (two near-maxs and something like Rashard Lewis money) and still stay under the luxury tax. I'm not saying he will, but the ball is in his court. From a logical point of view, I just don't understand why Sterling would have bothered trading for Brand and Miller if he wasn't going to match offers for them. And, from all indications, he loves Lamar ("the future of this franchise"), and since he can probably get him relatively cheap, I expect that'll be the first signing.

If I had to keep two of those three, I'd go with Brand and Odom. Odom, Jaric, and Dooling can all play PG if needed.

Deckard-- When was the last time the Clippers had a max player? The best I can think of is Danny Manning, and he was in fact offered a very good contract, better than what he ended up receiving when he moved on. But he didn't want to stay in LA because of issues with coach Brown. Brand is a max player, and should have been resigned last offseason, but it's not too late since he's still restricted. Kandi for the max? No thanks!!

Sane-- Kandi is not a good fit on the Clippers. He would be if the coaches could get him to concentrate on 'D" and not worry so much about the 'O'. If anyone is a black hole in the offense, it's him, because he's a poor passer and telegraphs his moves. Typically when Kandi has big nights the Clippers lose, although he did defy that the other night against the Spurs, where methinks he was auditioning for next year.

Odom, on the other hand, is a great fit for just about any team. He makes players around him better because he knows how to move the ball. Darius Miles was fantastic when Odom was healthy, and then kind of disappeared. I would committ hiri kiri if they did Odom for Mike Miller straight up. Watch what happens when Odom comes back, then judge.

That all said, if I were the Rockets I wouldn't trade Yao for anyone. Not only is he a likely star in this league, but he brings much needed media attention. Plus, he's fun to watch.

[verse]

Originally posted by pgabriel
Mo Taylor is overweight, check out his college years. And before you say his body is maturing, the guy isn't 30 so that isn't an excuse. And what do you have to say about his rebounding?


i saw motay in college and in the clip joint. yes, he weighs more now. that does not make him overweight though. has he ever been overweight? absolutely. is he overweight right now? absolutely not. in fact, i think weightwise he's probably exactly where he should be, given his muscle/fat ratio.

as for his rebounding: it stinks. no debate there at all, sir. no debate at all. :D