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YaoROY
12-06-2002, 06:11 PM
I just watched the sportscenter, Tim Hardaway talked about the Lakers vs the Mavs, and, well, just like the previous times, he can't complete a sentence, can't remember what he's supposed to say, and don't even know how to ask for help.

This guy must be fired. If someone knows how to create a petition please create one and I'll be the first one to sign. :mad:

Shooter1583
12-06-2002, 06:14 PM
I hope he's fired soon...he's an embarassment to ESPN, they've lost credibility by hiring him.

Texas Stoke
12-06-2002, 06:15 PM
sorry, thats what i get for trying to be moderator..thought this thread was in the Rockets forum.

I actually enjoy Hardaway. He tries so hard to find the right words, its hilarious. the dude definitely looks like hes stoned.

TheReasonSF3
12-06-2002, 06:26 PM
Tim Hardaway is terrible. He should be fired immediatly!

drapg
12-06-2002, 06:27 PM
Hilarious! I saw the same segment with Hardaway. He was having so much trouble spitting out his "analysis."

Dude must have some compromising pictures of Disney higher ups!

AMS_blackwidow
12-06-2002, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by Shooter1583
I hope he's fired soon...he's an embarassment to ESPN, they've lost credibility by hiring him.
they never had credibility.. they cant get moochie noriss's name rite

TheReasonSF3
12-06-2002, 07:53 PM
How does this guy get a job? He is pathetic. I am watching him on ESPN now, and it is disturbing. I could do a better job then him.

DavidS
12-06-2002, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by YaoROY
I just watched the sportscenter, Tim Hardaway talked about the Lakers vs the Mavs, and, well, just like the previous times, he can't complete a sentence, can't remember what he's supposed to say, and don't even know how to ask for help.

This guy must be fired. If someone knows how to create a petition please create one and I'll be the first one to sign. :mad:


Host: So, Tim. Give me your analysis on Paul Pierce this year...

Tim: Yo! Paul is tight! He's da'bom! We're talking
skillzz! I'd take him on my team anyday...

Host: O-kay-e... :rolleyes:

Timing
12-07-2002, 01:42 AM
Soon I hope. Dirk Nowinsky? Get some help there Timmy.

rocketfan83
12-07-2002, 02:13 AM
I heard alot of Hardaway bashing from the chat rooms to the fourms. What is wrong with him? I understand everyword he says. Hes alot better than Tom Tobert who every two minutes refers to his career high of 27 points in 1992. Hes terrible. I like Hardaway I wouldnt mind seeing him doing play by play.

DavidS
12-07-2002, 04:09 AM
Originally posted by rocketfan83
I heard alot of Hardaway bashing from the chat rooms to the fourms. What is wrong with him? I understand everyword he says. Hes alot better than Tom Tobert who every two minutes refers to his career high of 27 points in 1992. Hes terrible. I like Hardaway I wouldnt mind seeing him doing play by play.

Tobert is bringing up his 27 points because it was the only time he played
well. He's making fun if himself.

Hardaway is a better player, but he's not a better speaker.
He must have forgotten to go to class. I mean, do guys really talk like
that after going to college? "Yo, yo, yo. He my home-dawg, blah, blah, blah...."

rocketfan83
12-07-2002, 04:57 AM
He must have forgotten to go to class. I mean, do guys really talk like
that after going to college? "Yo, yo, yo. He my home-dawg, blah, blah, blah...."
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I never heard Hardaway talk like that while on the error. And yes people do talk like that before and after college.

Oski2005
12-07-2002, 05:38 AM
Tim Hardaway isn't really any good at being a broadcaster, but he's not as terrible as some of you make him out to be. I don't think he's ever sat there and talked to the audience like he's talking to his home boys in the locker room. All I can say is the guy has no prior experience, but niether did Calvin Murphy and I think we all like listening to the pocket rocket talk.

The_Yoyo
12-08-2002, 03:23 AM
Timmy H pisses me off soo much on ESPN the other day when I was watching it and he was doing analysis on the laker-jazz game he couldnt even remember player names and he kept stuttering soo badly that the espn guy had to complete his sentence for him because he spent 30 seconds or so trying to say Jerry Buss or something like that. Hardaway needs to be taken off the air. Just because they can play the game doesnt make them "experts" or anything. I bet there are plenty of "average" fans that can go on these shows and do 100 times better than the former nba players do

DCkid
12-08-2002, 08:47 AM
These are typical Hardaway responses:


Host: Man, Tim! The Mavs look unstoppable.

Tim: Hey. The Mavs looks unstoppable.

* uncomfortable pause *

Host: Well, what can you say about Yao Ming.

Tim: Hey. What can I say about Yao Ming.

Host and ESPN audience: confused:

I love Tim Hardaway, but I'm really wondering how he managed to get this job. He doesn't have good speaking skills, he doesn't know how to articulate his thoughts, and most importantly he doesn't seem to have much incite into the game. Hell, the Host provides more incite than Hardaway.

I'm just waiting for Reggie to retire. Reggie would be great in Tim's place (except we'd have to look at his crooked teeth all the time.) :)

NYKRule
12-08-2002, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by rocketfan83
I like Hardaway I wouldnt mind seeing him doing play by play.


Thats the equivalent of shooting yourself in the temple.


He is a completely unbearable ****ing moron, and it's not like he knows more about basketball than a lot of the people on this BBS!

Tolbert knows much, much more about basketball, probably from sitting on the bench and observing. When Hardaway was on the bench he probably didn't give a **** about learning more about the game through observation.

UTweezer
12-08-2002, 01:38 PM
Just give the guy some time...

cujo
12-08-2002, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by UTweezer
Just give the guy some time...


Yeah..he's a rookie. Don't judge him until at least midseason. Give him more time and more games to get comfortable. He'll develop that quick analysis with eloquence by then. I wonder how Marv Albert did his rookie year?

Earl Cureton
12-08-2002, 05:54 PM
His raised eyebrow freaks me out.

DVauthrin
12-08-2002, 06:55 PM
I am not willing to give Tim Hardaway time, ESPN is embarassing themselves and not being a good standard for the industry.

Hiring Tim Hardaway and Sal Kazemma is an insult to numerous reporters who work their asses off in lower markets and deserve the opportunity to work at a top level corporation.

I am a broadcast journalism major at the University of Texas at Austin and it pisses me off that all these beacons for our industry insist on hiring professional athletes as commentators and making that a requirement seemingly nowadays.

That should not even be an issue, but as long as ESPN, CNN/SI, FOX sports do it, everyone else will follow their lead, and that's a big problem.

I'm not bitter, I just want a fair chance, because I know I can be as good as Sal or Tim right now, and better than half of ESPN's crew. That show with Kenny Mayne and Kevin Frazier was awful last night, downright bad. Mayne needs to work on his voice, his lines, etc, Frazier was fine. And that whole remix thing was way overplayed.

DavidS
12-08-2002, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by cujo
Yeah..he's a rookie. Don't judge him until at least midseason. Give him more time and more games to get comfortable. He'll develop that quick analysis with eloquence by then. I wonder how Marv Albert did his rookie year?

Marv did as well as Eddie Johnson, Kevin
Johnson, and James Worthy did.

Excellent. All the former players I mentioned
above are great NBA analyst.

Remember, it's not about being a "rookie"
is about if you are trained to do the job or not.

Hardaway clearly isn't qualified.

DavidS
12-08-2002, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by DVauthrin
I am not willing to give Tim Hardaway time, ESPN is embarassing themselves and not being a good standard for the industry.

Hiring Tim Hardaway and Sal Kazemma is an insult to numerous reporters who work their asses off in lower markets and deserve the opportunity to work at a top level corporation.

I am a broadcast journalism major at the University of Texas at Austin and it pisses me off that all these beacons for our industry insist on hiring professional athletes as commentators and making that a requirement seemingly nowadays.

That should not even be an issue, but as long as ESPN, CNN/SI, FOX sports do it, everyone else will follow their lead, and that's a big problem.

I'm not bitter, I just want a fair chance, because I know I can be as good as Sal or Tim right now, and better than half of ESPN's crew. That show with Kenny Mayne and Kevin Frazier was awful last night, downright bad. Mayne needs to work on his voice, his lines, etc, Frazier was fine. And that whole remix thing was way overplayed.


Thank you! This insults all broadcast/journalism students! I mean, why should you get a degree in broadcasting if all you have to do is be a "good" as Hardaway?

dn1282
12-09-2002, 12:38 AM
I just like how Tim Hardaway always repeats what Kevin Frazier said before passing it to Tim.

KF: Tim, Yao Ming is really playing well right now.
TH: Yea, Yao is really playing well right now. (Then goes off stating his "analysis".
.
.
.
KF: The Heat are horrible today.
TH: Yea, they're horrible... "Analysis"

Just watch...he ALWAYS repeats what Frazier says as his first line. And he always ends everything by saying "They're playing hard right now and sharing the ball. That's what it's all about, sharing. Everyone's playing hard, and driving to the hoop." He uses that line at least 3 times every friday.

DavidS
12-09-2002, 07:23 AM
Originally posted by dn1282
I just like how Tim Hardaway always repeats what Kevin Frazier said before passing it to Tim.

KF: Tim, Yao Ming is really playing well right now.
TH: Yea, Yao is really playing well right now. (Then goes off stating his "analysis".
.
.
.
KF: The Heat are horrible today.
TH: Yea, they're horrible... "Analysis"

Just watch...he ALWAYS repeats what Frazier says as his first line. And he always ends everything by saying "They're playing hard right now and sharing the ball. That's what it's all about, sharing. Everyone's playing hard, and driving to the hoop." He uses that line at least 3 times every friday.

LOL!! :D Yeah, you and DCkid are right about that one.

He does repeat what Frazier says!

Deuce
12-09-2002, 02:58 PM
Great thread! I totally agree. I have nothing against Hardaway personally but the guy just can't articulate his thoughts well. He gives no insightful analysis. Heck, forget analysis, if we could just get one well spoken sentence from him it would be a huge plus. ABC made a HUGE mistake when they hired Eric Dickerson as a sideline reporter on MNF...and now they make a huge blunder with Tim Hardaway. How did these guys even make it on camera. Did they even try out for the job!?!?! To quote Bill Walton "Horrrrrrrible!

I understand that ESPN wanted to get a former player to do analysis but was Hardaway the ONLY one available? Why not stick Tim Legler from NBA2Nite in there? If Sean Elliott wasn't doing the color for the Friday night game then I would think he would be perfect in there. In fact the Tuesday ESPN2 NBA Fastbreak crew of Frazier, Elliott and Legler are pretty good as a team.

I also want to echo the comments above about that Sal Kazemma guy that does the sideline reporting for the Friday night late game. He does nothing for me. I think they got him from ESPN2's X-Games telecasts. I guess he is supposed to appeal to the young hip crowd! Whatever!

I understand that ESPN wants to have a "fresh and hip" NBA show but enough with these guys that can't speak clearly! And this includes you Stewy Boo-Yah Scott on the Wednesday NBA show! Enough with the ebonics! I find some of it funny but a little goes a LONG way! After a while it really DETRACTS from the professionalism of the telecast! Stick with your manner of speak for the ESPN SportsCenter telecasts please!

Overall I feel that ESPN does a decent job with the telecasts and I have been pleased by them but the above problems I mentioned really detract from ESPN's presentation!

Chris

SmeggySmeg
12-09-2002, 05:15 PM
One question Tim

How do you spell ask???

Tim Hardaway spells is AKS

With on earth when it is presumed he will ask questions, that he has to say just let me aks you a question???

GIVE HIM THE ARSE!!!!

AstroRocket
12-09-2002, 05:25 PM
You guys are nuts. There's no justfiable reason for getting rid of Tim Hardaway. Behind the Osbornes, he's the funniest thing currently on television. If he goes, I don't know what I'll watch on Wednesdays and Fridays.

dn1282
12-21-2002, 09:16 AM
Well looks like Timmy is gone :D Greg Anthony to the rescue? Ehh...whatever...but he is a LOT more articulate than studder-man-hardaway. Looks like he actually prepares for what he'll be talking about. You can actually see papers and a pen in his hand! It always looked like Hardaway had no preparation...like he was trying to improv. Bad choice tim ;)

francis 4 prez
12-21-2002, 11:05 PM
damn, greg anthony isn't just well-spoken and articulate for an athlete, he seems damn smart. i watched about 10 minutes of him on-camera and he may have messed up once and otherwise was throwing 10-dollar words around like it was no thang. thank you espn for getting rid of hardaway and bringing in someone qualified like anthony.

and dvauthrin, what's up with the kenny mayne diss. you make it sound like he just got here and has no clue. i know which show you were talking about (the remix one) and i think he stumbled over something but he always does a good job of saying something funny about errors, seems fairly quick-witted, is funny overall, and is one of the better sportscenter personalities. he isn't the problem. and kevin frazier has really impressed me. he and john anderson need to do more sportscenters. i have seen two with them and they already seem to have good chemistry in the eisen/scott mold.

Deuce
12-22-2002, 09:47 AM
JUST....IN....TIME.....

Greg Anthony is brought into "NBA Shootaround" just in time for the show to hit NATIONAL TV on ABC on Chirstmas Day. I don't think they wanted Tim Hardaway fumbling with words on ABC's showcase Christmas day games. I thought Greg Anthony was excellant. He was articulate and GASP...actually provided "ANALYSIS" to the games versus Hardaway's approach of rehashing what Kevin Frasier says.

For the record, Tim Hardaway was NOT fired or anything but is moving to Wednesdays with Boo-Yah Stewy Scott. God help us with those two guys taking! I doubt I will understand a single word!

Chris

DVauthrin
12-22-2002, 11:18 AM
Kenny Mayne knows his stuff, but trust me, he needs to become way more original and conversationalistic in his voice.

Sorry, but his favorite line of players x number of homers, not in this game, that would be a record is not funny or witty, and is way overplayed, and his voice sounds tired and unenthuasistic, I mean he sounds like he just woke up half the time, and the other half its still bland. John Anderson is even worse no doubt.

It was more a diss at the chemistry on set for that show, f4p, as you have you understand I watch these shows now not just for my sports fix, but critically speaking as well.

Kevin Frasier is actually the best sportscenter host now, and stuart scott comes off too non serious, in the sense he always talks slang whenever he can fit it in.

I still love the show, but understand I watch for voice inflection, angles of shots, jump cuts, etc. It is my future and I will do everything possible to succeed at it.

And I will always be a rockets, longhorns, astros fan even as an announcer for another team or covering all sports, that will never subside, it's just there is a time and place for everything.

You may all think I am crazy for picking on ESPN and Hardaway, but it's way been happening way before that, look at Trev Alberts, Mark May, Tim Legler, Greg Anthony, Jay Bilas, Ron Jaworski, Sterling Sharpe, Merril Hoge, Tom Jackson-the last few starting with Bilas are quality, in my opinion, but still, these are all ex-pros who don't in all probability have journalism degrees, getting hired into journalism roles. In some cases with training it works, in others "see Hardaway" it fails. But my point is, it should not be a prerequisite at major media sports outlets to be an ex-pro, there are plenty of very intelligent, well spoken, hard working reporters who can do as good of a job as the majority of the people I listed above. If you are going to be blackballed for not being athletic, which I can site plenty of examples of broadcast hires of ex-athletes, then why bother, is my point?

I will make it, either locally or nationally, and I can live without going national, but don't think it doesn't insult me that sports TV has become a refuge for retired athletes simply based on name and drawing power.

I realize it's a business, and I will be a part of it, but it doesn't mean I have to like everything about the way it is conducted.

Especially as a reporter, if you lose your ability to speak freely and think for yourself, you are going to not reach your potential.

I apologize if I am offending some here who like the ex-athletes doing sports reporting or the approach by the industry, I just want to make it very clear that as a broadcast journalism major/future reporter, seeing these things hits me very close to home, and impacts me greatly.

pasox2
12-22-2002, 02:21 PM
I can't wait for Wed. broadcasts. Timmy "malaprop" Hardway rulz!
You got skeelzz, T! If they can just feed him 2 or 3 catchphrases, he'll be fi-ne.

Brand on the put-back! Yo Timmy, how 'bout dat!

Da bomb! What you talkin' about Willis? Howza! He got skeelz!

Time out, Mavs!

Mavs are 2-14 in the last 15 min. Clips still can't capitalize. What do you think Alvin Gentry will call in this timeout? And what about Don Nelson?

Mavs are 2-4... wha-t? Yo, yo.
Da bomb! What you talkin' about Willis? Howza! Skeelz!

Game plan, Timmy?

Yo, yo, ain't nutin' but a thang. G-man pass the ball aroun', money. Take it to the ho! Skeellz!

Howza, TD, Boo-ya.

mj230
12-25-2002, 09:52 AM
you ask whats wrong with tim hardaway?
if i wanted to listen to rap, i'd put on a cd.
he's all hip and no substance.

mj230
12-25-2002, 09:59 AM
just give the guy some time...do you see some potential there? :confused: