The Anatomy of a Turnover.

[solid]

There are some serious basketball people on this board. I very much enjoy reading your posts. To the serious fan, your remarks are typically much more interesting than many professional sportscasters and journalists. I am solliciting your insights.

Now here is the issue: what are the factors that contribute to the dreaded turnover. Is it about sloppy passing, court vision, timing, or what? And more importantly, if you were Rudy, what would you be telling players to reduce the number of turnovers they commit in a game?

[A-Train]

Damn, and I thought this was going to be a thread about pastries...

What I'm wondering about is the mysterious "acceptable turnovers" that were brought up about a week or so ago...

[solid]

Are sure they were talking about "acceptable" turnovers, maybe they meant "apple" turnover. :D:D

[HoRockets]

Originally posted by A-Train
Damn, and I thought this was going to be a thread about pastries...

What I'm wondering about is the mysterious "acceptable turnovers" that were brought up about a week or so ago...

I must have missed that topic. What the heck does that mean "acceptable turnovers"?

[A-Train]

Originally posted by HoRockets
I must have missed that topic. What the heck does that mean "acceptable turnovers"?

http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46283

I think this was after the Clippers game...of course, jlaw used the term "forgiveable"...

[solid]

Can you'll just forget about the "acceptable" turnovers and answer my question. I think there are ways to reduce turnovers, but I want to hear what you'll think. I believe that this could be an interesting discussion, but it is off to a slow start. (thanks, A-train, ;) )

[HoRockets]

A good start in reducing turnovers is to Not run head first into defender(s) and then try to pass the ball.

[Mr. Clutch]

As PG, you can reduce turnovers by:

-not picking up your dribble
-not jumping in the air with nowhere to go
-being patient
-establishg rapport with teammates
-learning how to deal with tough defenders (ie Tony Parker)

That's all I can think of right now.

[solid]

Now we are cooking. After last night, I am actually convinced that someone on the Rockets is reading the BBS. This idea may be delusional, but what if it is true? What if we can actually help progress the team? Oh well, it is a fun fantasy, anyway.

[Wakko67]

I think part of it is that the guys need to understand that the first pass may not be the assist, but that passing to another player might open a new option. Instead it seems that if the player handling the ball doesn't see an option he likes he forces a shot.

I guess running plays properly could solve that.

[Fegwu]

Ways of reducing Turnover - 101


1. Your point guard must be a good floor/court manager

a. Eliminating broken plays by getting into set plays earliy - when the shot clock is still on your side.

b. Good ball handling.

c. Recognizing those who can shoot on the floor and getting the
ball to them in a simple and crisp manner.


2. Making the simplest play possible. Every player MUST be able and willing to make simple passes.


3. Focusing. Every player must play with their heads up at all times and NEVER take any second off. Always recognize when your player needs your help and make yourself readily available to him out.

4. Selflessness. It is import that every player think of team first at all times. I agree that every man is out there to put food on the table for the fellow mates and some others just want to be recognized as "De Man" but if everyone is conscious enough to know that winning is the goal and it takes a team to win then guys will look to share the ball more.

5. Good coaching. The coach has to teach solid principles of valuing every possesion and put his foot down when his wards try to do it their way to the detriment opf the teams' altimate goal.

In all you need good players (not necessarily a collection of Super Stars but a mix of stars and solid role players).

[SmeggySmeg]

i like the tennis terms

UnForced and Forced errors/turnovers, ie were they the fault of pressure from the other team.

that being said most of Steve's last night were UNforced turnovers.

[Mr. Clutch]

If you have a chance, watch how Steve Nash plays. He runs around the paint without picking up his dribble sometimes, and that's when he creates the most havoc. If he keeps penetrating without jumping in the air, he will draw a foul, score, or find someone open.

[montgo]

Mr. Clutch is dead on and to further his comments....Controlled ball movement is the key. Stopping in the back court like Francis did on three occassions and keeping the ball away from the center of the court will lead to defenders establishing position and makes it difficult to pass the ball......

Keep the ball in the middle of the floor and keep moving..even if you have to zig zag...thi

[DavidS]

Originally posted by solid


Sacrifice the spectacular offensive play in exchange for setting up
your teammates.

It's better to get a pin-point pass to a teammate for a lay-up,
than to drive to the basket for a spectacular dunk.

Most of our turnovers are because Francis was trying to score
the spectacular drive.

When he tries to make an inside pass, I don't mind so much
if it's a turnover because it shows that he's trying to get his
teammates involved and we know that he'll just get better at it.

[leebigez]

Stop trying to become the spokesperson for the next AND1 mixtape. Most of Francis turnovers are just plain careless , overdribbling with the ball. Instead of just making the simple entry pass after a pick or actually setting up a pick, he dribbles into asshole and elbows, gets in the air and tries to throw the ball out. If he was penetrating and trying to drop bounce passes to a player, maybe i would understand, but when you get a pick set up,go baseline, dribble all the way past the bucket, dribble between your legs twice then go back into the lane , jump in the air and try to pass it out and get picked off, it makes no sense. Make the simple play!

[solid]

Thanks guys (or gals). Interesting stuff. I learned some things. I hope others did to.