Does CUTTINO think he's as good as Steve? [Archive]

rezdawg

11-13-2002, 12:29 PM

Rocket Freak, I dont think Cuttino thinks he is as good as Stevie.

jlaw, what authority do you have? If the Clutch Crew feels it necessary to lock this thread then they will. They dont need a rookie poster telling them what to do.

A-Train

11-13-2002, 12:38 PM

NO! Keep this thread up!

I was pleasantly suprised to come in this morning and not find any Cat bashing threads, and I almost started a positive Cat thread this morning. Cat just had an off night shooting. It happens to EVERY player in the league. He makes some bad decisions just like everybody on the team, but his positive contributions far outweigh any negative aspects of his game.

AcBrave

11-13-2002, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Rocket Freak
I know everyone else knows he isn't, I just don't know if he does.

well, he think he is a star, and should play the all star game

which is...bad enough

Shooter1583

11-13-2002, 12:40 PM

Cuttino thinks he's better than what everyone else says he is, and he probably feels that he's the most underrated player in the league...but I hardly doubt that he thinks he's better than Steve. He passes to Steve more than any other player on the Rockets...but then again, that isn't saying much.

codell

11-13-2002, 12:40 PM

Maybe Clutch can post his thoughts that he brought up in chat last night regarding how Rockets management feels about Cuttino. :D

AcBrave

11-13-2002, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by A-Train
NO! Keep this thread up!

I was pleasantly suprised to come in this morning and not find any Cat bashing threads, and I almost started a positive Cat thread this morning. Cat just had an off night shooting. It happens to EVERY player in the league. He makes some bad decisions just like everybody on the team, but his positive contributions far outweigh any negative aspects of his game.

i lover his heart of the game, but he shouldnt try 1 on 3s

The Real Shady

11-13-2002, 12:40 PM

I think that Mobley does consider himself a star but he would be an idiot to think he is as good as Francis. He can't do all of the things that Francis can and never will.

He did do a good job last night of realizing that he wasn't having a good game and letting Francis take over.

verse

11-13-2002, 12:48 PM

i guess no one noticed that mobley played excellent defense last night?

The Cat

11-13-2002, 01:11 PM

:rolleyes:

"I gave my energies to make myself a name (in the NBA)," Mobley said. "Now I'm there. I'm not a superstar or anything. But I'm concentrating on other things, as long as I also keep working and keep my love for the game."

-- Cuttino Mobley, September 25

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/sports/bk/bkn/1589344

Considering Francis is regarded by most people as a superstar, there should be your answer.

jxu777

11-13-2002, 01:12 PM

Cat seams to become the punch bag of CC.net. Damn he performs. Damn he dosen't. Under the ever longer casting shadow of Wink. Pippen may have an advice or two to Cat for playing in the shadow.

On the other hand, Steve needs Cat at his side for his date with the Finals. Steve is great, is great, great...... Hey, Steve just received a max offer letter. The way Steve goes to the bascket scares **** of human body, if you still remember anything.

Guys, it's a luxury for Rox and Steve to have Cat. It is Rudy's job to ease Cat into his role. Wait, I almost forget Rudy has the tendensy to blame his players for not performming. Poor Cat.

verse

11-13-2002, 01:14 PM

i always thought it was human nature to root for the underdog...

gr8-1

11-13-2002, 01:19 PM

Come on now. Is this really necessary? I'm sure every player thinks he could be a badass or whatever, but Steve and Cuttino are tight. Are they competitve? Yes. But this thread sounds like you think Cuttino may resent Steve. I doubt it. If Cuttino were a selfish guy, he would have effed up that alley-oop to Steve.

JayZ750

11-13-2002, 01:24 PM

What I liked about Mobley last night was he finally stopped shooting. In past years, he would have kept jacking all the way through the game. Even last night, I thought he could have realized his game was off a little bit sooner, but, sometimes you shoot yourself back into positive contributions. That he stopped shooting is what impresses me. He tried to concentrate on his D at that point. Does he think he's better than Francis? Definitely not. Just watch last night late in the game. Even Mobley would get the ball and look to Steve to see how to score.

walterw

11-13-2002, 01:28 PM

Cuttino has passion for the game.
Cuttino is hardworking player and is fearless.
Cuttino has the ability and quickness to go one one with most of
the defenders.
Cuttino has confidence in himself that he is all star.
Cuttino has the green light from the Rox coach.

But
He has too much confidence in his ability so he overated himself.
He has too much freedom from the Rox coach so he do whatever he wants with the ball.
He is too fearless that he will not hesitate dribbling through a forest to shoot the ball.
He thinks of himself too high that nobody else of the Rockets deserves his pass except occasionally Francies.

Desert Scar

11-13-2002, 01:29 PM

I was dissappointed Cat pass to Steve late in the game. I think it was about 1:00 minute left, Rockets up by 2 (I think), they can't get the inbounds to Steve so they pitch it to Mobley with around 5 seconds left on the clock. Instead of just getting off a decent shot in a 1 on 1 situation, he passes to Steve already doubled in the corner who can't get off a remotely makable shot in the 2 seconds or so he had. In short, Cat was too unselfish on this play and a couple more I can remember. But you know what, that is OK--good players make mistakes, and it certainly shows Cat is listening to the coaches and recognized the hot hand. Cat wasn't scoring efficiently, but he stay involved in the game and did other things (defense, more A/TO as a shooting guard) to help his team win. To me that is what you want out of player.

shuttle

11-13-2002, 02:04 PM

Ok, ok, here we go. First I would like to say that I hate the Jazz, but I feel that this is a good comparison.
Cat is to the Rockets what Hornacek was to the Jazz.
I hate to say anything about a Jazz player, but this seems really similar to me.

Well, Cat does more than Hornacek, but he is not the focal point of the team. He is very important though.

RocksMillenium

11-13-2002, 02:05 PM

Of course Mobley knows he's isn't as good as Francis. I don't know why there are people who can't be happy with our team and players. It's like there are people who can't praise Francis without trashing Mobley, or think it's a sin to think that Francis and Mobley are both talented players. Just be happy we have one of the Top 3 backcourts if not THE best backcourt in the NBA. I can understand criticism of Mobley, but people just doing things to start a "Mobley vs Francis" debate is ridiculous. Francis outplaying Mobley and vice versa isn't going to necessarily = wins.

AroundTheWorld

11-13-2002, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by jxu777
Wait, I almost forget Rudy has the tendensy to blame his players for not performming.

I have been following the Rockets for about 7 years now and I really do not know where you got that from.

RocksMillenium

11-13-2002, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by shuttle
Ok, ok, here we go. First I would like to say that I hate the Jazz, but I feel that this is a good comparison.
Cat is to the Rockets what Hornacek was to the Jazz.
I hate to say anything about a Jazz player, but this seems really similar to me.

Well, Cat does more than Hornacek, but he is not the focal point of the team. He is very important though.

That's a great comparison! Another comparison I like to use is Cat being the Joe Dumars to Steve Francis' Isiah Thomas. Dumars is arguably a HOFer, and while he wasn't as good as Isiah he was one of the elite guards in the NBA. And he did get a Finals MVP. I wouldn't mind Cat and Francis getting a Finals MVP each! ;)

TheReasonSF3

11-13-2002, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Rocket Freak
I know everyone else knows he isn't, I just don't know if he does.
I don't think that anyone here knows what he thinks. You would have ask him. Steve is definetly the best player on the team, and Cat probably knows it.

jlaw

11-13-2002, 02:35 PM

Unconstructive thread....

dreday

11-13-2002, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by verse
i guess no one noticed that mobley played excellent defense last night?

Thank you.
I thought I was the only one that noticed...

solid

11-13-2002, 03:28 PM

Mobley is a very very good basketball player. He is explosively quick, can shoot the lights out when he is "on," and has great leaping ability. I see a Batman-Robbin, Jordan-Pippen duo developing here in Houston. I know some of you guys really hate Pippen, but during the Bull's championship years, he was very good, an excellent compliment to Jordan.

AroundTheWorld

11-13-2002, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by solid
Mobley is a very very good basketball player. He is explosively quick, can shoot the lights out when he is "on," and has great leaping ability. I see a Batman-Robbin, Jordan-Pippen duo developing here in Houston. I know some of you guys really hate Pippen, but during the Bull's championship years, he was very good, an excellent compliment to Jordan.

That's true. The thing is, his main focus was defense - and all the little things...

JLB

11-13-2002, 03:58 PM

I think that besides a few mistakes about shooting on CATs part he played a brilliant game. This is exactly what we all wanted him to do, not to shoot himself out of the building. CAT played great defense. I don't care what anyone says about any other game but last night he went to excel in other parts of the game and did so handedly.
I have been on his back but I watched last night thinking that CAT wanted to be like HAWK.

Now I hope no one starts asking if he thinks he is better than HAWK on D:D

JLB

11-13-2002, 04:13 PM

travfrancis

11-13-2002, 04:14 PM

he has said a billion time this is steve's team

Timing

11-13-2002, 04:27 PM

Funny thing, last year there were a TON of people who thought Cat was a better scorer than Steve. I guess they've all gone into hiding.

rockbox

11-13-2002, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by Timing
Funny thing, last year there were a TON of people who thought Cat was a better scorer than Steve. I guess they've all gone into hiding.

I was one of them and Cat was a better scorer than Steve. The key word is "was". Steve has elevated his game this season. There is no comparision between this year's Steve versus last years. Steve is finally looking comfortable with being the leader.

Easy

11-13-2002, 05:26 PM

Mobley didn't do very well offensively last night. But he is not bashed as much after the game as the other games. Why? I guess that's because he took considerable less shots last night. Cat bashers are content that when he is taking less shots, the Rockets are better off no matter what else he does.

codell

11-13-2002, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by rockbox
I was one of them and Cat was a better scorer than Steve. The key word is "was". Steve has elevated his game this season. There is no comparision between this year's Steve versus last years. Steve is finally looking comfortable with being the leader.

I think you made an insightful statement. "Cat was a better scorer than Steve". Before this year, perhaps Cat felt like he should be just as big a part of the offense as Steve because he felt he was just as good of a scorer. Furthermore, maybe Mobes felt like if he didnt take the intiative to score, whether it be through ISOs or going one on one, then the team didnt have a good chance to win, whether Steve was healthy or not.

As this season progresses, I hope that Mobley will realize that this is Steve's team and thats it best he serve in a complimentary role rather than a main cog.

solid

11-13-2002, 05:51 PM

Sir Jackie Chiles, maybe that should be Mobley's focus as well. He is good at it when applies himself (defense). Also, remember Pippen could take it to the rack and shoot the three. He often exceeded 20 pts. a game during the Jordan years.

ROXRAN

11-13-2002, 05:55 PM

I think Cuttino thinks he wants to be the best he can be...I hope CC.net posters allow this. Perception can often overshadow reality. The reality is Cat is one damn fine shooting guard who can shhot a relatively high percentage, score, and is commited to improving other aspects of his game such as defense...Let's let cat out of the bag and be cat...

akuma

11-14-2002, 01:20 AM

Cuttino doesn't play like someone who thinks he's as good as Steve. There may have been times when Pippen actually thought he was as good as Jordan, heck maybe even better. I'm sure many people remember his outrage as well as his ego when a last second play was drawn up for a rookie instead of the "man". Pippen did say that when he was in Dream Team I, the practices had so much trash-talking and by players that could back it up too. They all thought they were better than each other. When a star reaches a certain level, i'm not sure he can afford to let himself resign to the fact that anyone is better than him or he may just fulfill that prophecy and never improve.

ken

11-14-2002, 04:35 AM

Originally posted by The Real Shady
I think that Mobley does consider himself a star but he would be an idiot to think he is as good as Francis. He can't do all of the things that Francis can and never will.

He did do a good job last night of realizing that he wasn't having a good game and letting Francis take over.

So what have steve done?

ken

11-14-2002, 04:38 AM

Originally posted by ROXRAN
I think Cuttino thinks he wants to be the best he can be...I hope CC.net posters allow this. Perception can often overshadow reality. The reality is Cat is one damn fine shooting guard who can shhot a relatively high percentage, score, and is commited to improving other aspects of his game such as defense...Let's let cat out of the bag and be cat...

Right on Brother!

MiniMing

11-17-2002, 10:19 PM

if he does then hes wrong

StupidMoniker

11-18-2002, 07:43 PM

I think that there are things that each does better than the other. I would rather Cat: be the defender against the ball handler on any given play, be the one shooting if we need a three pointer, be the one at the free throw line (even though he blew it in the Phoenix game), or catching and shooting a mid range jumpshot. I guess really every situation where the key ability is shooting or defending. I would rather Steve: crash the boards when we need a rebound at the end of a game, be the primary playmaker (although I would like Cat to be forced into this role for a game every once in a while to help instill the instinct to pass more into him), or attack the basket when we need 2 points at the end of a game (this mostly because he has the ability/mentality/reputation/whatever that enables him to draw fouls more easily and is a better finisher if he doesn't get the foul, even though HE blew it at the end of the Phoenix game).

Oh, and I think that, given the opportunity, he can be a better scorer than Steve, as he proved last year. The problem is that Steve is a better playmaker, so he should have the ball in his hands more. Unfortunately, he is not as good a playmaker as a Miller or Kidd, so he needs to score a lot as well.

leebigez

11-18-2002, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by walterw
Cuttino has passion for the game.
Cuttino is hardworking player and is fearless.
Cuttino has the ability and quickness to go one one with most of
the defenders.
Cuttino has confidence in himself that he is all star.
Cuttino has the green light from the Rox coach.

But
He has too much confidence in his ability so he overated himself.
He has too much freedom from the Rox coach so he do whatever he wants with the ball.
He is too fearless that he will not hesitate dribbling through a forest to shoot the ball.
He thinks of himself too high that nobody else of the Rockets deserves his pass except occasionally Francies.

Thats it in a nutshell.