My updated College Football Top 5 [Archive]

kidrock8

10-27-2002, 04:57 PM

Back by not so popular demand is my Top 5, after yesterday's games.

1. Oklahoma- This might be controversial, because of the oral sex that is usually performed on the Hurricanes by media, and fans, but OU in their last game convincingly thumped ISU, a week after doing likewise to UT. Granted, the offense isn't pretty, but when you have a defense that can shut down the other team, as well as create turnovers, combined with great special teams, the offense doesn't need to be all-world.

2. Miami- All year long I thought Miami was the best in the nation, up til now. For 2 games in a row, they have struggled agains the run. This better not continue, if Miami is to beat their biggest hurdle, Virginia Tech. Their entire front 7 can be seen on the side of a milk carton, because they've been MIA. If they beat VT convincingly, they probably leapfrog OU from my perspective.

3. Notre Dame- As much as I hate them and count them out, they come back with a vengeance and prove me wrong. 2 solid road wins in a row against Air Force and FSU. They remind me a lot of the 2000 OU national title squad. ND has taken on all comers with their #1 SOS according to the BCS. Like OU, they don't win pretty, but they win.

4. Virginia Tech- For a while, I pegged them as the #3 team in the nation, due to ND's rise, and VT's inability to convicingly beat the weak teams on their schedule. I have to wonder how they will respond to facing a Miami. VT matches up well with Miami, in the sense that they have a great ground game, great special teams, and their team speed is every bit as fast as Miami. Beat Miami, and they are #1 or #2 in my book.

5. Ohio State- Was able to beat a solid PSU team without the services of Clarett, for 99% of the game. I wasn't fully sold on them as being more than a 1-man team, at least offensively, but they got the job done against PSU. Unfortunately for OSU, they probably won't be able to control their own destiny, and there is a possiblity that their unbeaten record only leads them to a Rose Bowl berth.

Manny Ramirez

10-27-2002, 05:02 PM

"oral sex" performed by the media and the fans on Miami?

You're stupid and the rest of your post needs no addressing.

If that is true, kidrock, then explain to me how Miami lost 2 first place votes and Notre Dame leapfrogs over a Georgia team that thumped a pretty good Kentucky team by 28 on the road?

Yea, the media really "loves" Miami....:rolleyes:

mduke

10-27-2002, 05:08 PM

kidrock8

10-27-2002, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by Manny Ramirez
"oral sex" performed by the media and the fans on Miami?

You're stupid and the rest of your post needs no addressing.

If that is true, kidrock, then explain to me how Miami lost 2 first place votes and Notre Dame leapfrogs over a Georgia team that thumped a pretty good Kentucky team by 28 on the road?

Yea, the media really "loves" Miami....:rolleyes:

It happened before this week. I was one of them, admittingly. You really take any criticism toward Miami so personally. What ties do you have to the university, or the football program, that makes you so angry?

Miami is lucky to not have lost more than 2 first palce votes.

Also, UGA was losing to UK in the 3rd quarter, although they did pull away.

Why don't you list your top 5, and give your reasoning, rather than going out of you way, like you usually do, to bash mine.

After all, this is a BBS intended for free speech right?

Manny Ramirez

10-27-2002, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by mduke
http://www.plauder-smilies.com/happy/roflmao.gif
He's stupid?

Glad to see that you think it is so damn funny.

Stupid was about as nice as I could come up with.

It's thinking like his in saying that Miami "struggled" with West Virginia is what is wrong with college football.

Hello, West Virginia is ranked like #2 or #3 in the nation in running the football. Sure, Miami should have done a better job in stopping the run but they still won by 17 on the road. How is that struggling?

I guess Virginia Tech really struggled with Temple then by beating them by 10 and AT HOME.

Miami is the defending national champion, like it or not. Until they lose a game, there's no way they drop from #1. They are only doing what they are supposed to be doing...winning football games.

I think the fact that Miami lost 2 first place votes and Notre Dame getting a first place vote should disprove kidrock's "hypothesis".

My top 5 would be:
1) Miami
2) Oklahoma
3) Virginia Tech
4) Georgia
5) Notre Dame

The Cat

10-27-2002, 05:21 PM

Well, manny, I'm not sure if he meant the media as a whole. However, I do agree with kidrock that there is a small faction that is that way.

Is Miami deserving of being #1? Sure. They won it last year, they haven't lost this year. But, this notion that they are "invincible" or clearly ahead of every other team is false, imo. And there are a lot of analysts that I've heard this from throughout the year.

It seemingly started when Miami went into Florida and dominated... but you know what? LSU went in there and dominated in the same way. Ole Miss beat Florida. It was an impressive win, but Florida is not the same Florida. They aren't representative of the strength of top 10 to 15 teams this year.

The win over FSU was nice, but they did trail for much of the game, and it was at home. ND actually dominated FSU, at their place. Other than that, Miami has beaten some pretty solid teams, like Boston College and West Virginia, but nothing special.

Miami has looked very good, they've won their games, and they are deserving of their ranking. I respect them a lot. But, I guess I'm just not understanding how they "distinguished" themselves this season from some of these other contending teams.

Of course, not all of the media is like this, but I've heard it several times from ESPN and the likewise.

BTW, kidrock, those would be my top 5 as well.

Desert Scar

10-27-2002, 05:31 PM

Flip #3 & #4 and I agree. There is no doubt in my mind OU deserves the #1 ranking right now. The case (and not a bad one) for Miami is that they haven't lost in what 25 games--but OU has been more impressive this year on the field and against better opponents, and they havn't lost too many over a 3 year stretch either to go with their own NT. If any team has been overlooked by the media I think OU has a case.

I have to admit OSU (OL and entire defense specifically) has impressed me the last 2 weeks.

I think #1-2 are clear (OU, Miami) and #3-#5 are up in the air (pick any of the 3 undefeated and outstanding defensive teams with limited offenses--though I would probablt have VT at 3).

#6 is Georgia, solid, and Texas is a easy #7.

Manny Ramirez

10-27-2002, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by kidrock8
It happened before this week. I was one of them, admittingly. You really take any criticism toward Miami so personally. What ties do you have to the university, or the football program, that makes you so angry?

I have been a fan for 20 years now. It always amazes me to see the jealousy that other people have towards Miami. What are your ties to Florida State??

Originally posted by kidrock8
Miami is lucky to not have lost more than 2 first palce votes.

And why are they lucky? Because they only beat West Virginia (which will probably finish 3rd in the Big East) by 17 at their place?? Well, using that type of logic, why didn't Virginia Tech fall?? They "only beat" a Temple team with a losing record by 10 points AT HOME. See, how inane that type of thinking is?

Originally posted by kidrock8
Also, UGA was losing to UK in the 3rd quarter, although they did pull away.

That's true but they outscored Kentucky 31-0 in the 2nd half and completely dominated them at their place. And that was a good Kentucky team that was 5-2 going into that game. A team that was good enough that many felt that they were going to beat Georgia.

Originally posted by kidrock8
Why don't you list your top 5, and give your reasoning, rather than going out of you way, like you usually do, to bash mine.
I did do that in addressing duke's post. Reasoning?? Umm...Miami has won 29 in a row, OU has the best defense, Tech has the best rushing attack, Georgia is clicking on all cylinders, and ND won a big game on the road. That is a condensed version.

Oh and read this thread here.

Yea, I am really "going out of my way" to bash your opinions. :rolleyes: I am sorry that you got me mixed up with heypartner.

Originally posted by kidrock8
After all, this is a BBS intended for free speech right?

Sure it is, but you have shown a propensity for using vulgar type stuff like "donating sperm", "oral sex", etc. and I don't think it is cute or funny AT ALL. You can easily get your point across without turning your posts into some pornographic peepshow.

t4651965

10-27-2002, 05:36 PM

1. OU
2. Miami
3. Georgia
4. Ohio State
5. Texas (they beat the best team in the country for one half)

Virginia Tech is soooooooo overrated.

nycrocket

10-27-2002, 05:38 PM

1)Oklahoma-Hands down the best team in college football.
2)Texas-Great defense, only loss is against the best team in college football, on the road in windy conditions.
3)Notre Dame-Best coach in college football, will finish undefeated.
4)Virginia Tech-Unbelievable running game.
5)Miami-Not quite as much talent as Virginia Tech, but should put up a fight on December 7.

NYKRule

10-27-2002, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by t4651965
1. OU
2. Miami
3. Georgia
4. Ohio State
5. Texas (they beat the best team in the country for one half)

Virginia Tech is soooooooo overrated.

Yeah, they are so overrated, that they actually beat the teams they play for more than a half. Oh and where's Notre Dame?

We can see how biased you are.

NYKRule

10-27-2002, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by nycrocket
1)Oklahoma-Hands down the best team in college football.
2)Texas-Great defense, only loss is against the best team in college football, on the road in windy conditions.
3)Notre Dame-Best coach in college football, will finish undefeated.
4)Virginia Tech-Unbelievable running game.
5)Miami-Not quite as much talent as Virginia Tech, but should put up a fight on December 7.

Another biased fool

Major

10-27-2002, 05:42 PM

And why are they lucky? Because they only beat West Virginia (which will probably finish 3rd in the Big East) by 17 at their place?? Well, using that type of logic, why didn't Virginia Tech fall?? They "only beat" a Temple team with a losing record by 10 points AT HOME. See, how inane that type of thinking is?

VaTech did lose votes - more than Miami, in fact. Of course they didn't lose any 1st place votes because they didn't have any. Miami lost 2 total points. VaTech lost 22.

Teams always lose and gain votes based on how they look - that's how rankings change between undefeateds. Any other way would be silly.

OU right now has looked more impressive against a tougher schedule than Miami. Based only on this year (which is what the rankings are supposed to be), OU is #1 in my mind. Miami is #2, followed by VaTech #3. ND at #4, Ohio State at #5. 3 through 5 are could easily rotate, in my opinion. ND has defeated better teams. VaTech has dominated more, but slowed in recent weeks.

mduke

10-27-2002, 05:43 PM

Texas-Great defense, only loss is against the best team in college football, on the road in windy conditions.

on the road? Don't make it sound like a home game for OU, the field is split down the middle....oh, and they barely beat Kansas State. I think most UT fans would agree that Texas is not the #2 team in the country.

And Miami doesn't have as much talent as VaTech??? Miami may very well be the most talented team in the nation.....Va Tech has great rb's, a good defense, but I wouldn't say they're more talented than Miami.....

The Cat

10-27-2002, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by mduke
Texas-Great defense, only loss is against the best team in college football, on the road in windy conditions.

on the road? Don't make it sound like a home game for OU, the field is split down the middle....oh, and they barely beat Kansas State. I think most UT fans would agree that Texas is not the #2 team in the country.

And Miami doesn't have as much talent as VaTech??? Miami may very well be the most talented team in the nation.....Va Tech has great rb's, a good defense, but I wouldn't say they're more talented than Miami.....

Oh man.

duke, it's not that I don't agree with you. But, even before the OU loss, people were talking about the KSU game as if it were the toughest game of the season. KSU, at home, is a very good team (top 15 already), with a top notch defense. Texas had the entire world doubting them, the season was on the line, and they came through. Please don't use that as a negative for Texas. I'm sure OU would be more than willing to take a 17-14 close win over KSU in Manhattan, should it be on the schedule.

mduke

10-27-2002, 05:48 PM

I know it's a tough game....I was just pointing out that Texas isn't the #2 team in the country;)

nycrocket

10-27-2002, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by mduke
Texas-Great defense, only loss is against the best team in college football, on the road in windy conditions.

on the road? Don't make it sound like a home game for OU, the field is split down the middle....oh, and they barely beat Kansas State. I think most UT fans would agree that Texas is not the #2 team in the country.

And Miami doesn't have as much talent as VaTech??? Miami may very well be the most talented team in the nation.....Va Tech has great rb's, a good defense, but I wouldn't say they're more talented than Miami.....

Just trying to lighten it up in here. I bleed orange, but I'm no fool. Surprised so many people believed my rankings. After your response, I'm changing my rankings.

1)Texas
2)Notre Dame
3)Virginia Tech
4)Miami
5)Georgia
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43)Oklahoma

Real Rankings:
1)OU
2)Miami
3)Georgia
4)Notre Dame
5)Virginia Tech

t4651965

10-27-2002, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by NYKRule
Yeah, they are so overrated, that they actually beat the teams they play for more than a half. Oh and where's Notre Dame?

We can see how biased you are.

Notre Dame has been playing over their heads all year due to the fantastic coaching of Willingham. I look for them to fall back to Earth now. Virginia Tech will get stomped by Miami, imho.

When you say "another biased fool", I assume you labled me as the first fool. If I knew you, I would be asking you to put your money where your BIG mouth is!;)

NYKRule

10-27-2002, 06:00 PM

Virginia Tech matches up the best with Miami out of any other team in the nation, and its not more of Virginia Tech being low. It's more Texas being in the top 5, when they should infact not be.

Manny Ramirez

10-27-2002, 06:00 PM

Major and Cat,

I admit that OU is probably playing better right now than Miami; however, I feel that until Miami loses a game, they should continue to be #1 in the polls.

However, that feeling is not one that others agree with. I remember back in 1991 when Miami beat an undefeated FSU team in Tallahassee. The next week they struggled to beat a decent BC team in BC 19-14. They were jumped in the polls by Washington in the Coaches poll and that cost them an undisputed share of the NC.

Now, if Miami struggles to beat Rutgers next week and wins by say 10 or less, then yea, I would agree with people saying that OU should be ranked ahead of Miami, but West Virginia is not a bad team.

And what is even more ironic is that MOV (Margin Of Victory) has been taken out of the computer rankings. So, why is it so important that Miami only beat West Virginia by 17 or that Va Tech only beat Temple by 10? They both won and that's all that matters, right? (this is sorta rhetorical, facetious question).

The Cat

10-27-2002, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by t4651965
Notre Dame has been playing over their heads all year due to the fantastic coaching of Willingham. I look for them to fall back to Earth now.

*yawn*

They said this before Michigan, before Michigan St., before Air Force, before Florida St.

I know some of you hate them, but Notre Dame is a very good football team that is capable of playing with anyone, and contending for a championship. They may not have the talent of OU or Miami, but football isn't all talent. Coaching plays a huge part of it.

The folks doubting the Irish now seem an awful lot like those who gave OU no shot against FSU in 2000.

mduke

10-27-2002, 06:07 PM

I admit that OU is probably playing better right now than Miami; however, I feel that until Miami loses a game, they should continue to be #1 in the polls.

I agree.....when a team has won as many games in a row as Miami has, why bump them out of #1?

NYKRule

10-27-2002, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by mduke
I agree.....when a team has won as many games in a row as Miami has, why bump them out of #1?

Because people are biased and envious.

The Cat

10-27-2002, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by NYKRule
Because people are biased and envious.

Or, maybe, just maybe, some of us think the polls should be based on how the teams are playing now, and not involving prior seasons. It's great that Miami won all those games with Clinton Portis, Jeremy Shockey, Ed Reed, and others, but I don't see the relevance from those seasons to now.

I don't have a problem with Miami being ranked number one -- I just think OU is playing better. And if that makes me "biased and envious", then that's ridiculous.

NYKRule

10-27-2002, 06:15 PM

A team shouldn't drop unless they lose. Margin of Victory should be COMPLETELY out of the picture, but obviously some are forgetting that.

Major

10-27-2002, 06:19 PM

However, that feeling is not one that others agree with. I remember back in 1991 when Miami beat an undefeated FSU team in Tallahassee. The next week they struggled to beat a decent BC team in BC 19-14. They were jumped in the polls by Washington in the Coaches poll and that cost them an undisputed share of the NC.

Now, if Miami struggles to beat Rutgers next week and wins by say 10 or less, then yea, I would agree with people saying that OU should be ranked ahead of Miami, but West Virginia is not a bad team.

I can totally see the argument that Miami should be #1 in the polls. For what it's worth, I don't think Miami has done anything to lose the #1 spot - they have basically just been workmanlike in beating people. I put OU #1 more for what OU did these last couple of weeks, and especially against ISU.

Personally, assuming Texas can't make the national championship game, I would love to see OU vs. Miami for the title. Neither team is as good as their 2000 (offensive issues) and 2001 (defensive issues) teams respectively, but still the best in football in my opinion.

Although I would still prefer to see 5 teams go undefeated and really mess up the BCS. :)

Major

10-27-2002, 06:20 PM

A team shouldn't drop unless they lose. Margin of Victory should be COMPLETELY out of the picture, but obviously some are forgetting that.

To me, this is silly. That says that if OU and Miami don't lose, no matter how dominant any other team is, they can never have a chance at the title. Suppose Georgia played the toughest schedule in the country and beat every team they played 100-0, do they not deserve a shot simply because they weren't preseason ranked above OU or Miami?

NYKRule

10-27-2002, 06:26 PM

Uhmm....too bad that'll never happen. I'll give you that "situation", but nothing will ever come close to it in real life. That's why it should be Miami, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, Ohio State, Georgia, Notre Dame.

Keep them up until they lose. (The only argument I can see is Notre Dame being 3rd, but that's it, everything else is garbage).

Major

10-27-2002, 06:32 PM

Uhmm....too bad that'll never happen. I'll give you that "situation", but nothing will ever come close to it in real life. That's why it should be Miami, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, Ohio State, Georgia, Notre Dame.

It happened in 2000. OU jumped from ~#15 to #1 by beating ~#10 Texas, ~#1 Nebraska, and ~#2 KSU in 3 consecutive weeks. By your definition, OU wouldn't have been able to jump anywhere near that far, because they couldn't jump above the other undefeated teams unless those teams lost, even though OU was clearly the best team in the country at that point.

NYKRule

10-27-2002, 06:42 PM

I'm not talking about the past. I'm talking about now, and its NOT happening...

kidrock8

10-27-2002, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Manny Ramirez

Hello, West Virginia is ranked like #2 or #3 in the nation in running the football. Sure, Miami should have done a better job in stopping the run but they still won by 17 on the road. How is that struggling?

Where did I say they struggled overall? I only said they struggled against the run. You should brush up on your reading comprehension prior to going out of your way to flame my OPINION.

How am I being jealous? What can I do to show that I'm not jealous? Am I supposed to say Miami is #1 rah rah rah, when I don't really feel that way? Get over yourself.

I'm just a fan of FSU, since I was about 9, which goes back to the 1991 season. I don't like FSU as much as I used to, as I am an Arizona State fan since I went to school there for 1 year.

kidrock8

10-27-2002, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Manny Ramirez

And what is even more ironic is that MOV (Margin Of Victory) has been taken out of the computer rankings. So, why is it so important that Miami only beat West Virginia by 17 or that Va Tech only beat Temple by 10? They both won and that's all that matters, right? (this is sorta rhetorical, facetious question).

Since when did computers and humans think alike?

kidrock8

10-27-2002, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by Manny Ramirez

Sure it is, but you have shown a propensity for using vulgar type stuff like "donating sperm", "oral sex", etc. and I don't think it is cute or funny AT ALL. You can easily get your point across without turning your posts into some pornographic peepshow.

Kind of like how you can get your point across without going out of your way to be an asshole right?

How about I stop my "pornographic peepshows", if it means you getting off your high horse?