View Full Version : Bradford our best receiver? or too early to tell?
ROXRAN
09-30-2002, 05:49 PM
I really like the way this rec. is playing. He is showing real skill and ability. I know in general we are real weak at WR (We probably will draft a WR #1 next season)...Are you disappointed with the play of Gaffney thus far? Or do you think it is too early to discern whether Bradford is a true keeper? Any thoughts?
MadMax
09-30-2002, 06:01 PM
rookie receivers traditionally don't perform that well, even if they go on to have good careers. bradford is clearly the #1 option for carr right now...but gaffney will be fine...let's give him more than 4 games! :)
but draft charles rogers, anyway!!!
mfclark
09-30-2002, 06:02 PM
He's the most experienced, at the very least.
Gaffney has talent, but he doesn't have the head or the experience.
PhiSlammaJamma
09-30-2002, 07:18 PM
Kevin Dyson took a long time to develop too. It just takes some time. But he's shown us nothing so far. I'd like to see some glimpses. But honestly, Carr is on his ass almost every play. until get the OL back everyone is going to look bad on offense.
Our first pick in the Draft will be our best reciever so i'll just wait patiently :)
Refman
10-01-2002, 01:55 AM
If we can get Rogers in the draft, I see our 3 receiver set being
Rogers
Gaffney
Bradford
Occasionally you can throw Black in as a slot receiver.
I think we should cut Lewis at the end of the year. Wasted cap space.
rezdawg
10-01-2002, 03:14 AM
Gaffney just needs time to develop, as do 99% of rookie wideouts. Rogers is the man and Roy Williams isnt that far behind.
Raven Lunatic
10-01-2002, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by Refman
If we can get Rogers in the draft, I see our 3 receiver set being
Rogers
Gaffney
Bradford
Occasionally you can throw Black in as a slot receiver.
I think we should cut Lewis at the end of the year. Wasted cap space.
Unless there is a player that we can definitely use in free agency that we need extra cap space for, I don't think they should cut Lewis. The guy is still one of the best return men in the league, and him getting us good field position will be critical with our poor offense.
ROCKSS
10-01-2002, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by milo
Our first pick in the Draft will be our best reciever so i'll just wait patiently :)
If we dont get some depth on the OL it wont matter who we have playing receiver because Carr wont be able to find them laying on the turf.
If we dont get some depth on the OL it wont matter who we have playing receiver because Carr wont be able to find them laying on the turf.
Im talking about the draft.....our O-line depth is on the injured list
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ROCKSS
10-01-2002, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by milo
Im talking about the draft.....our O-line depth is on the injured list
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milo
I believe our starters are on the injured list not our depth.
I believe our depth is created because our staters are on the injured list. It gives more playing time to the backups thus giving them a ton expierience so that when the return to backing up the starters---the will be very good quality backups and we will be set to take what we really need next season--a gigantic reciever :)
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Jared Novak
10-02-2002, 11:44 PM
I think we should cut Lewis at the end of the year. Wasted cap space.
Why does everyone want to cut Lewis? Okay so he dropped a for-sure TD pass, in a game we won anyway.
Jermaine Lewis is one of the most dangerous return men in the NFL. The guy has blazing speed, and can be a good slot receiver ot get short yardage in a quick slant play.
The dropped pass happened, and since then everyone has wanted to cut this guy. I mean, just give the guy a break, he made a mistake, he's a good player, and can be a real difference maker on the special teams. Just cut the guy some slack.
Refman
10-02-2002, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by Jared Novak
Why does everyone want to cut Lewis? Okay so he dropped a for-sure TD pass, in a game we won anyway.
Jermaine Lewis is one of the most dangerous return men in the NFL. The guy has blazing speed, and can be a good slot receiver ot get short yardage in a quick slant play.
The dropped pass happened, and since then everyone has wanted to cut this guy. I mean, just give the guy a break, he made a mistake, he's a good player, and can be a real difference maker on the special teams. Just cut the guy some slack.
Lewis has a large salary and his return stats aren't any better than Avion Black. Since when has a good return man won football games? If they did then Mel Gray would be wearing Oiler Super Bowl rings right now.
Raven Lunatic
10-03-2002, 01:59 AM
Originally posted by Refman
Lewis has a large salary and his return stats aren't any better than Avion Black. Since when has a good return man won football games? If they did then Mel Gray would be wearing Oiler Super Bowl rings right now.
Didn't Desmon Howard essentially win the Super Bowl one season for the Packers? Not to say that he did everything himself, but I believe he ran back punts/kickoffs for TDs and he won Super Bowl MVP. They may not make spectacular run backs every game, but the occasional TD on special teams is a huge bonus since our offense is so stagnant anyway with all the rookies.
And as for comparing his numbers right now to Black's, it is still pretty early in the season, and I don't think anyone questions whether or not Lewis has more talent than Black on special teams. Like I say, if his salary is somehow stopping us from signing a key FA, then I can see a reason for cutting him...but otherwise, I say keep him around because the guy can make things happen.
Refman
10-03-2002, 03:08 AM
Originally posted by Raven Lunatic
Didn't Desmon Howard essentially win the Super Bowl one season for the Packers? Not to say that he did everything himself, but I believe he ran back punts/kickoffs for TDs and he won Super Bowl MVP. They may not make spectacular run backs every game, but the occasional TD on special teams is a huge bonus since our offense is so stagnant anyway with all the rookies.
And as for comparing his numbers right now to Black's, it is still pretty early in the season, and I don't think anyone questions whether or not Lewis has more talent than Black on special teams. Like I say, if his salary is somehow stopping us from signing a key FA, then I can see a reason for cutting him...but otherwise, I say keep him around because the guy can make things happen.
The Texans have the third highest payroll in the NFL. Lewis does have a high salary number for a special teams guy. It will cause us to have to make some difficult decisions down the road. We would be well served to terminate that deal ASAP.
Originally posted by Refman
The Texans have the third highest payroll in the NFL. Lewis does have a high salary number for a special teams guy. It will cause us to have to make some difficult decisions down the road. We would be well served to terminate that deal ASAP.
or... we can release him down the road. what's the big deal? lewis is a commodity, imo, and a damn good one; i've been overly impressed with him. he's fearless, absolutely fearless on punt returns and the guy fields every punt cleanly, which saves the offense valuable yards and limits tunrovers.
the texans' payroll is not a concern; they've reworked glenn's deal and have a lot of guys signed to 1-year deals who will probably be gone next year (banks, allen, mitchell). casserly knows how to work the cap; look what he did in WAS. there's no reason not to use every ounce of your cap from year-to-year as long as you make sure not to fill it with dead money. cap space does not roll over at the end of the year.
moonnumack
10-04-2002, 12:51 AM
I still would go D-line, O-line, or LB with the 1st pick instead of WR. when was the lst time the 1st WR drafted was an NFL stud? Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison, etc. were all steals found after the Top 15.
ThaFranchise33
10-06-2002, 12:26 AM
Right now i would have to say that Bradford is definitely our #1 option. JLewis is fast, but he ain't a true reciever. I do feel that JGaffney will do good things. If Texans had better running backs, I don't thing our recievers would look as bad.
jev5555
10-10-2002, 01:54 AM
David Boston...
This guy is a hell of a rec. He's a local guy...from Humble, TX. And best of all he's a FA. The only knock on this guy is the MARY J found in the squad car he was placed under arrest in. That was not his. I knew him personally and it doesn't fit his demeanor. Bottom Line...if the Texans clear enough cap you can grab this former Chronicle POY for a mere 3-4 million a season. One thing is for sure...He's not interested in a loser and that could spell trouble for the Cardinals in re-signing him.
Originally posted by jev5555
The only knock on this guy is the MARY J found in the squad car he was placed under arrest in.
didn't they also find cocaine?
Originally posted by jev5555
if the Texans clear enough cap you can grab this former Chronicle POY for a mere 3-4 million a season.
clearing cap space is not a problem, but why would boston sign for $3-4M/year? i imagine he'll be able to get upwards of $6M if he has another solid year.
jev5555
10-10-2002, 03:26 PM
Hometown Discount?
I'm sorry. I said 3-4 million being more conservative. I'm just not up to date with players make these days. However, There are other ways around paying guys 6 million straight up. The Texans will have to offer a huge signing bonus and perks if they are to sign Boston. The cocaine was not his. I just don't see it. Bottom Line, Boston is the guy we need to solidify the passing game. We got a good shot to get him, but it'll take some shrewd negotiating.
Originally posted by jev5555
Hometown Discount?
i think the idea of a "hometown discount" is a myth -- what player has ever returned home for less money? it just doesn't happen. no player in this day and age is gonna leave $3-4M/year on the table so he can play football in his hometown. i mean, if doing that was so important to boston, why didn't he go to school in texas? is playing close to home really a priority of his?
Originally posted by jev5555
We got a good shot to get him, but it'll take some shrewd negotiating.
shrewd? nah, the texans have no cap worries. if they want him, they can afford to pay him. the question is whether he's worth it.
Raven Lunatic
10-10-2002, 05:47 PM
I'm not "up" on the football cap like I am the basketball cap, Ric. I thought I remembered reading somewhere that the Texans are right at the cap, or close to it, right now. So if we were to make to offer a guy like David Boston 5-6 mil a season, how would the team go about making that space?
jev5555
10-10-2002, 08:03 PM
if doing that was so important to boston, why didn't he go to school in texas? is playing close to home really a priority of his?
Dave has always wanted to be a Buckeye. He had no taste for Texas Schools. I don't know if playing here is a top priority...the hometown discount was a joke. But I think you'll be surprised.
Originally posted by Raven Lunatic
I'm not "up" on the football cap like I am the basketball cap, Ric. I thought I remembered reading somewhere that the Texans are right at the cap, or close to it, right now. So if we were to make to offer a guy like David Boston 5-6 mil a season, how would the team go about making that space?
they're up against the cap this year, but have several 1-year deals they'll lose (banks, allen, mitchell) and can always finagle contracts, etc.
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