Texans got a long way to go

[rocketfan83]

Watching yesterdays game was very frustrating, the offense playcalling was terrible. Davind Carr is the most talented player on that side of the ball and he is being used like Trent Dilfer. These recievers are pathetic Gaffney dosent look like is trying, and nobody else can even catch the ball. Carrs pathetic stats are very misleading. Hes thrown the ball pretty decent at times.
If the texans dont surround carr w/ some weapons he was just waste of a pick. Kurt Warner wouldnt even do any better. Capers needs to be more agressive on offense. if this is how hes going run this team why did he draft a QB w/ the 1st overall pick.?thist team wont win more than 4 games thats obvious. so develop your QB if the texans dont manage to do that it was a waste of season. Should have drafted Peppers if your going to rely on your defense that much. If the Texans don't draft one of the stud wr's this year its going to send this process back a few years. I know this a expansion team but come on you have to at least try to put a few points on the board. you have to throw the ball up field sometimes even if you dont have the talent to do so you might get lucky somes times. its not like we have a great running game either. so mix it up. on a postive note Posey looks like a hell of a player..go teaxans

[rezdawg]

*News Flash*

It usually takes a few years for an expansion team to become competitive.

[rocketfan83]

rezdawg *News Flash*

It usually takes a few years for an expansion team to become competitive.
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True but Carr isnt ever going to devlope if they dont open up the offense. i know theyre gonna suck for a few years. but they have to devlope the players esp carr. in my opinion theyve done poor job so far

[The Cat]

Originally posted by rocketfan83
rezdawg *News Flash*

It usually takes a few years for an expansion team to become competitive.
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True but Carr isnt ever going to devlope if they dont open up the offense. i know theyre gonna suck for a few years. but they have to devlope the players esp carr. in my opinion theyve done poor job so far

The reason they haven't opened it up is because the pass protection is absolutely terrible, and they are playing conservative so that they don't have Carr taking a beating every play and risking injury. When Boselli and Young return, they will be more aggressive.

[JeffB]

Originally posted by rocketfan83
rezdawg *News Flash*

It usually takes a few years for an expansion team to become competitive.
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True but Carr isnt ever going to devlope if they dont open up the offense. i know theyre gonna suck for a few years. but they have to devlope the players esp carr. in my opinion theyve done poor job so far

They can't open up the offense until:

1. The O-line develops some continuity (and health).
2. The receivers (Gaffney and Bradford) develop their timing with Carr.
3. The running game is consistent (looks like Wells is taking care of that).

It is not as simple as just calling long bombs all day. Palmer can only call what the players can actually execute. That is how you develop players. Accentuate their strengths and do not expose their weaknesses.

The Colts played cover 2 all day--which neutralized our receivers speed and made them true route runners, the weakness of most of the speedsters except Gaffney. With saftey help over the top, there was no way the Texans receivers were gonna get open deep. The only hope was short and intermediate passes. Unfortunately, as one of the commentators noted, the Texans did not involve a tight end in the passing game very much. However, this could be due to the need for the extra pass protection.

Don't worry. This is too soon to judge so harshly. They may have just gotten the running game on track, which in turn will empower the play action/verticle game. In the mean time, the receivers and Carr will be getting in sync.

I think the Texans are doing a good job developing their players--like Wells, Pitts, Weary. I personally think Carr did a good job showing patience by not forcing passes and going to his check-offs. As the timing comes along and guys, hopefully, stop dropping so many critical passes, the offense will come along.

[A-Train]

Check this out:

NFL QB rating calculator (http://www.primecomputing.com/javaqbr1.htm)

David Carr is 26 for 69 for 331 yards, 2 TDs and 4 INTs for a rating of 41.39

Now, if he had thrown every single one of his passes into the dirt, he would have a rating of 39.58.

Ya know, I think sacrificing a few rating points is worth not getting sacked 8 times per game! :D

[Refman]

The offense is conservative because of 3 things:
1) No O line
2) WRs haven't been catching the ball
3) Carr's confidence has been shaken and the last 2 games he has not been accurate.

We REALLY need to draft Charles Rogers in April. Rogers will be a playmaker...and Gaffney will be a good #2 receiver.

[RocketFan85]

Refman, like your sig, did you go to Texas A&M?

The main reason our offense is doing so bad is because of our O-line. I mean Favre would even struggle behind our o-line. once we get back YOung and Boselli we will look alot better. Plus having some WR that can catch could help too.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by Refman


We REALLY need to draft Charles Rogers in April. Rogers will be a playmaker...and Gaffney will be a good #2 receiver.


we agree a lot...but i REALLY agree with your post here!!! Charles Rogers is a freaking playmaker...he's a big receiver and a guy you can look to on a big 3rd down...that's exactly what the Texans need.

[Refman]

Refman, like your sig, did you go to Texas A&M?
Thanks...and yep...Fightin' Texas Aggie Class of 1995.

we agree a lot...but i REALLY agree with your post here!!! Charles Rogers is a freaking playmaker...he's a big receiver and a guy you can look to on a big 3rd down...that's exactly what the Texans need.
As opposed to my other posts with which you agree lukewarmly? :D

It's clear that the Texans need a playmaker...especially one who can make the defense pay with a short pass in the flat. Rogers will KILL a defense with YAC.

[BanginScrew]

Originally posted by rezdawg
*News Flash*

It usually takes a few years for an expansion team to become competitive. What about Jacksonville, and Carolina? Carolina went 7-9 their first year, and both made it to the AFC/NFC Championship game in their 3rd year. The Texans were given more of an opportunity to succeed at an earlier rate than either of these teams. There should be absolutely no reason the Texans can't go 7-9 this year. I would consider anything less than 7-9 a failure, as should you guys.

[rezdawg]

Originally posted by BanginScrew
There should be absolutely no reason the Texans can't go 7-9 this year. I would consider anything less than 7-9 a failure, as should you guys.

I take it you are either 5 years old or know nothing about football. You choose.

[rezdawg]

Charles Rogers is a bad ass. Did any of you catch the plays he had last saturday? The guy is a stud and would have an immediate impact on our team.

[giddyup]

Who is this Charles Rogers guy?

[DCkid]

Originally posted by giddyup
Who is this Charles Rogers guy?
If I'm not mistaken this is the WR for Michigan State, who is a heisman trophy candidate, and made possibly the best catch I have ever seen in my life against Notre Dame to give the Spartans the lead in the fourth quarter...and here it is:

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20020922/capt.1032654816.michigan_st_rogers_record_xela116.jpg
Michigan State receiver Charles Rogers (1), defended by Notre Dame cornerback Shane Walton, lands with one foot in the endzone for a touchdown in the fourth quarter at Spartan Stadium in East Lansing, Saturday, Sept. 21, 2002. Rogers tied an NCAA record by catching a touchdown pass in his twelfth straight regular season game Saturday against Notre Dame. Rogers tied the record shared by Marshall's Randy Moss, Michigan's Desmond Howard and Pacific's Aaron Turner. (AP Photo/Carlos Osorio)


But, assuming we get the #1 pick, how many Wide Receivers have been taken #1? Do you think he is worth a #1 pick?

[MadMax]

Originally posted by BanginScrew
What about Jacksonville, and Carolina? Carolina went 7-9 their first year, and both made it to the AFC/NFC Championship game in their 3rd year. The Texans were given more of an opportunity to succeed at an earlier rate than either of these teams. There should be absolutely no reason the Texans can't go 7-9 this year. I would consider anything less than 7-9 a failure, as should you guys.


Carolina and Jacksonville existed in a time of rampant free agency...in fact, they were introduced to the league at a most opportune time...they were largely comprised of veterans...and pro bowlers at that...the Texans are starting 5 rookies on the offensive end of the ball...that hasn't been done in nearly 25 years in the NFL. The model the Texans have started with more closely resembles what Cleveland went through than what Carolina and J-Ville went through...the Texans are eyeing year 3 as being a playoff year...i think even that's a stretch.

Having said that...they're already better than I thought they would be.

There a thousand reasons why the Texans won't go 7-9 this year...and why they shouldn't. Just check out the line out of Vegas...they're never picked to lose by anything less than 8 points! It will be like that nearly all season.

[Ric]

Originally posted by BanginScrew
What about Jacksonville, and Carolina? Carolina went 7-9 their first year, and both made it to the AFC/NFC Championship game in their 3rd year. The Texans were given more of an opportunity to succeed at an earlier rate than either of these teams. There should be absolutely no reason the Texans can't go 7-9 this year. I would consider anything less than 7-9 a failure, as should you guys.
it was actually their second year.

also, your attempt to try and talk up the texans to lessen the impact of the opening night loss reeks of desperation. deal with it: you lost to a standard variety expansion team. the average first year expansion win total is 3. houston will be lucky to win 5.

[PhiSlammaJamma]

Troy Aikman and the Cowboys sucked too. I wish they were better, but this is our reality. It takes some time.

I think using Carr is ok tho', he's getting used to the offense, he's learning the speed of the game, and he's developing a relationship with the players. It's all going to work out. They just look like crap becasue nobody is ready for this level of play.

It just goes to show you how much you do need weapons. McNair had George and Wychek and was able to win some games when he came in and started. but it still took three to four years.

[PhiSlammaJamma]

There are weapons to be had tho...

What we need to try and get are those players that had huge potential, but have been dissed by their teams. Guys like Trung Candidate are probably available to cure some of our problems. Of course, I though Allen was that type of guy too :) So what do I know. But there will be plenty of players like that who we can go after in the offseason. Guys who are ready to start but remain on the bench behind superstars.

[BanginScrew]

Originally posted by MadMax
Carolina and Jacksonville existed in a time of rampant free agency... You can also use the argument that the Texans have an extra advantage because of the salary cap. The expansion draft the Texans picked from was the best in NFL history. Do you honestly think that guys like Boselli or Aaron Glen would have been exposed before the salary cap era? The Texans defense is far ahead of where the Browns defense was in it's first year.

Your reluctance to expect anything else but failure is the reason Pro Football in Houston has always failed. Believe it or not the energy from the fans plays a big part in the teams success. Do you think players never listen to talk radio, or pick up a news paper, or even visit this board? Players listen, and read what you guys are saying about them. If the players hear or read that it's ok to suck just because they are an "expansion team" then they'll go into games thinking that it is ok to lose. Well it's not ok. Everyone realises that the Cowboys suck this year. Do you think that Quincy Carter or Dave Campo won't get their a$$es run out of town if they continue to lose. The fans/media in Dallas, and will run their butts right out of the NFL because we demand perfection. The team set a high standard, and if they fail to live up to that standard they will be gone. You can use the fact that the team is new as an excuse, or at least you shouldn't in my opinion.

[Buck Turgidson]

Originally posted by DCkid
But, assuming we get the #1 pick, how many Wide Receivers have been taken #1? Do you think he is worth a #1 pick?
I don't think a WR has gone #1 in quite some time, if at all, I think Irving Fryar was picked #2 early in the '80s, and Desmond Howard went 5th, iirc. I could see the Lions or Texans picking Rogers #1, since neither team needs a franchise qb in the draft. Houston could trade down, if they've got the top pick, to a team in the top 3-5 who covets Leftwich, but I would be shocked if Rogers gets past Detroit's pick. If I'm the Texans & they're holding the #1, Rogers is my guy. He's the best player in college football, from what I've seen so far, and he's the best WR I've seen in a long time. Randy Moss type talent, hopefully without being a complete headcase.

[Refman]

Your reluctance to expect anything else but failure is the reason Pro Football in Houston has always failed.
Yeah right. :rolleyes: From 1988 to 1993 the Astrodome was OVERSOLD. That's right they sold more tix than there were seats for 6 YEARS!!! That Oilers did not move due to a lack of fan support. They moved because their owner got into a pissing contest with Bob Lanier. Check your facts before posting something like that.

If the players hear or read that it's ok to suck just because they are an "expansion team" then they'll go into games thinking that it is ok to lose.
News flash...these guys are pros. Their boss (Capers) will not tolerate anything but a 100% effort. They are starting 5 rookies on offense, including the QB. That is seldom a successful offense.

You can use the fact that the team is new as an excuse, or at least you shouldn't in my opinion.
Expansion teams are generally not competitive. You bring up Carloina and Jacksonville while you conveniently leave out the fact that after those 2 teams were so successful so fast the NFL revamped the expansion process so that any expansion teams wouldn't be able to waltz in and load up their roster with top quality talent from top to bottom. All of the football minds out there know and have explained why expansion teams are never successful in year 1.

You clearly have a lack of understanding of football.

[Ric]

Originally posted by BanginScrew
Do you think that Quincy Carter or Dave Campo won't get their a$$es run out of town if they continue to lose. The fans/media in Dallas, and will run their butts right out of the NFL because we demand perfection.
your logic is so severely flawed, i'm having trouble deciding where, exactly, i should start attacking yet another one of your incoherent, gives stupid a bad name posts.

dave campo is something like 11-24 as a head coach, including losses to last year's 2-14 lions and this year's expansion texans. which begs the question: when, exactly, are the bar-raising, perfection-craving cowboy fans going to finally get around to mobilizing and start their torch-bearing witch hunt? oh, yeah, that's right, cowboy fans crawl back under their rock whenever the team struggles.

as for your tired regurgitation of cowboy this and cowboy that, you've long ago blown past annoying and have since entered rarified tool territory. your posts are inane, your points questionable, you ignore facts, try to jam square pegs into round holes and, frankly, read all the world like someone who only recently became a fan of football. that, or you're mentally retarded.

so go on, scat. you're embarrassing yourself; the texans are an expansion team for god sakes and here you are desperately trying to run smack on it. frankly, it's pathetic. go pick on a team that would actually represent a step up for the cowboys' organization... like carolina.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by BanginScrew


Your reluctance to expect anything else but failure is the reason Pro Football in Houston has always failed.

i'm not sure what you mean here...do you mean playoff losses?? because all of those happened on the road, save one...and that was a sellout and was loud as hell! the astrodome was dubbed the house of pain for quite some time...it was a difficult place for opposing teams to play because of fan noise through the late 80's and early 90's....the fans of houston didn't blow a 30+ point lead in Buffalo, thank you very much.

[Behad]

Originally posted by Ric

as for your tired regurgitation of cowboy this and cowboy that, you've long ago blown past annoying and have since entered rarified tool territory. your posts are inane, your points questionable, you ignore facts, try to jam square pegs into round holes and, frankly, read all the world like someone who only recently became a fan of football. that, or you're mentally retarded.



Don't hold back, Ric, what do you really think of him?

[Buck Turgidson]

Originally posted by MadMax
...and that was a sellout and was loud as hell!
D@mn you Joe Montana!

[MadMax]

Originally posted by Buck Turgidson
D@mn you Joe Montana!


exactly...the oilers just became another one of a long list of teams that were burned by montana in the playoffs

[BanginScrew]

Originally posted by Ric
you ignore facts, . So throw some facts out there oh wise one. Why are ratings for Texans games so low?

[MadMax]

Originally posted by BanginScrew
So throw some facts out there oh wise one. Why are ratings for Texans games so low?

the ratings for the Texans/Cowboys games in Houston were higher than Super Bowl ratings...they were out the roof...

are you talking about ratings IN HOUSTON for Texans games??

[VesceySux]

Originally posted by BanginScrew
So throw some facts out there oh wise one. Why are ratings for Texans games so low?

Geez. When the season opener's ratings exceed the Super Bowl ratings, there's nowhere to go but down. Duh... I've got your back, MadMax...

Texans opener TV ratings hit

In keeping with a game that was described in some quarters as the Texas Super Bowl, Houston television viewers watched the Texans ' victory over the Cowboys on Sunday night in numbers that exceeded even the real Super Bowl last January.

The game simulcast on KTRK (Channel 13) and ESPN had a Nielsen rating of 42.2 with a 58 share and had an average TV audience in Houston of 772,935 households.That represents the largest prime-time audience for any show in Houston this year, exceeding Super Bowl XXXVI at 40.7/59 on KRIV (Channel 26) and the Academy Awards at 29.4/44 on Channel 13.

Channel 13 had an average rating of 33.8/47 for the Texans ' 19-10 victory, and ESPN's audience in Houston rated 8.4/12.

ESPN's national numbers will not be available until today, but a network spokeswoman estimated the game was seen by 8.35 million households, which would make it the most-watched NFL game on ESPN in at least three years and one of the top 10 most-watched cable programs ever.

Channel 13's rating fell short of the projected rating of 39.8/58 that it offered advertisers, perhaps in part because hard-core football fans tuned instead to ESPN, which has Sunday night games each week. But station spokesman Tom Ash said Channel 13 was pleased.

"We're overjoyed with our relationship with the Texans , and the Texans are happy with how it went, too," Ash said. "Our advertisers are happy as well. In fact, some of them have started re-signing for next season."

The game had peak audiences of 45.8/65 from 9 to 9:15 p.m. and 46.2/69 from 10:45 to 11 p.m. as the game ended. The latter figure is equal to 846,199 households, representing 69 percent of Houston's TV households that were watching their sets at that time.

In Dallas-Fort Worth, the game had a 20.4 rating on KTXA and a 13.3 rating on ESPN for a combined 33.7 rating.


Why was this game so lowly rated in Dallas? We're talking Dallas against Houston here!

[BanginScrew]

Originally posted by MadMax
are you talking about ratings IN HOUSTON for Texans games?? That's exactly what I'm talking about.

[BanginScrew]

Originally posted by VesceySux
Texans opener TV ratings hit
Of coarse your game opener is going to have high ratings, it's against the Cowboys. What have they been since then?

[Ric]

Originally posted by BanginScrew
Americas's Team - 5 Trophies says it all.

is americas where cowboy fans go to hide when their team sucks? seriously, dude... give it a rest.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by BanginScrew
Of coarse your game opener is going to have high ratings, it's against the Cowboys. What have they been since then?


honestly, i don't know...do you??? can you post a link to a story??

as for your analysis that it was the opening game and it should be high...why not in dallas? it was their season opener too, and they got smoked in the ratings.

[Refman]

Sure the ratings have been down. 2 things:
1) The first game was Sunday night on ESPN. A great time to have your game for ratings.
2) On Sunday afternoons not all that many people are sitting at home watching TV. I doubt the Texans ratings are out of line with the rest of the NFL.

[MadMax]

bangin -- hello?? are you there??? where's the beef???

[Ric]

Originally posted by MadMax
bangin -- hello?? are you there??? where's the beef???
he's gone back to americas to hang out with other disillusioned cowboy fans.