texans top pick next year...

[rocketfan83]

Watching todays game, im already thinking ahead to apirl and the draft. Im assuming they get a top 3 pick or so. They will probay go defense maybe Joesphn from Miami he looks like a hell of a player. Maybe EJ Henderson from maryland that guy would be my choice if we went defense. theres also Doss from ohio state. Lee Suggs is probaly the top RB in the draft assuming hes healthy but hes no where near a top 3 pick. my choice would be charlie rogers from MSU hes going to be a pro bowler through out his career. but i doubt capers will go that way. what do yall think?

[Truth]

I say we go for the real #1 pick. Jesus. He can do it all. 2nd pick. Moses - OL he can part anyone's Defensive Line.

[TedRuxpin]

texans don't have a first rounder next year

[DieHard Rocket]

Originally posted by TedRuxpin
texans don't have a first rounder next year

Huh? I don't recall them trading this pick, and I don't know why they would knowing it will be a good pick. Please explain...

[Truth]

You believed him?:rolleyes:

[The Cat]

Originally posted by DieHard Rocket
Huh? I don't recall them trading this pick, and I don't know why they would knowing it will be a good pick. Please explain...

The Texans have their pick... don't worry about it.

[CriscoKidd]

top 3? I dunno. I wouldn't like to think of the Texans as being 3rd worst, but that may be just about right.

Detroit, Bungles, Carolina, and Baltimore are the only teams I can see ending up with worse records at this point.

So most likely top 5, give or take a couple of spots.

imo they should just go for best available. I would like to see the skill positions filled but will there really a rb or wr worth a top 5 pick?

[Refman]

The areas of the team which need the most improvement:

1) O line
2) FB
3) TE

If we could shore up these holes then we'd be a much improved team.

[The Cat]

Originally posted by Refman
The areas of the team which need the most improvement:

1) O line
2) FB
3) TE

If we could shore up these holes then we'd be a much improved team.

Well, the O-line really isn't that bad when healthy... it's just a matter of everyone recovering. I don't think it's one of the top need areas going into the next draft.

[NYKRule]

Lets be true here. They need another good WR. They need a (singular) good RB.

Those holes you listed are routinely filled with 2-4 round picks, and even if they did....they'd still lose without another starting worthy WR and a single RB that can actually run.

[Nomar]

I'd want to nab a running back or receiver.

Although If I had my way from the beginning we would have taken McKinnie last year, and we could take Leftwich this year.

[Hottoddie]

Originally posted by CriscoKidd
imo they should just go for best available. I would like to see the skill positions filled but will there really a rb or wr worth a top 5 pick?

Then, we trade down to the appropriate slot, pick up a WR that can catch the ball, & an extra pick/picks or player. As each game goes by, Jermaine Lewis is showing why he's not a starting WR, even with his break away speed.

[NYKRule]

"I would like to see the skill positions filled but will there really a rb or wr worth a top 5 pick? "

Roy Williams?

[CriscoKidd]

Originally posted by NYKRule
"I would like to see the skill positions filled but will there really a rb or wr worth a top 5 pick? "

Roy Williams?

That's the only guy I can think of off-hand, but admittedly my college football knowledge is limited.

I like your thinking Hottodie. Perhaps a team with a hardon for a qb would give up quite a bit to move up to the Texan's pick.

[drapg]

I can see Roy Williams, William Joseph, Charles Rogers, E.J. Henderson, or Kelley Washington

it would be nice if Cedric Benson or Maurice Clarett declared early (of course, the Clarett nod is only based on 2 GAMES!!! but he looks godly up at OSU!)

[JamesC]

We need a #1 go-to reciever. I like Roy Williams but I hope he returns for his senior year at UT. I wanna see him and Vincent Young on the field at the same time.

[kidrock8]

Best RB/WR is who we need to draft. I love Roy Williams, but his nagging injuries don't bode well investing a very high pick on him. Moreover, there are plenty of WRs who are as good if not better NFL prospects in Kelly Washington and Charles Rogers.

If Jonathan Wells (I think he's a poor man's Eddie George) is capable of being a starting RB, then RB can wait... I also wouldn't mind getting a TE who could help ease pressure from Carr. Though, a TE is rarely picked in the Top 5, much less Top 10.

Getting a bad ass NT would help also.

[ESource]

You guys have to get a #1 WR for Carr. Gaffney would make an outstanding #2 eventually, but Carr needs more weapons. Any of these three WRs would be a great choice: 1) Charles Rodgers(Michigan St.), 2) Kelley Washington(Tennessee), or 3)Roy Williams(Texas)

[kidrock8]

Originally posted by drapg


it would be nice if Cedric Benson or Maurice Clarett declared early (of course, the Clarett nod is only based on 2 GAMES!!! but he looks godly up at OSU!)

Any player who leaves school early for the NFL, must have graduated from HS 3 years before. In this case, Benson will have only been in his 2nd year out of HS, and Clarett, 1 year.

I agree about Clarett, that guy is a beast. Jerome Bettis, with a fast as hell burst through the OL.

[Refman]

I'd eventually like to see the primary receivers be somebody from the draft, Gaffney and Bradford. Every so often you can run a play with Dawson or Black in the slot. Jermaine Lewis should never have a ball thrown his way again. He is only useful when the ball is kicked to him.

[Elvis Costello]

The Texans should build up the offensive and defensive lines and stockpile in the secondary. It has been proven that you can find solid running backs in the later rounds (Anthony Thomas, the Denver running backs, Tiki Barber, Curtis Martin, etc.). They obviously need a few more receivers, but Randy Moss wouldn't make much of a difference to the team right now. I am still really excited about David Carr. He is going to take his lumps this year, but I really think he will be the real thing.

[4chuckie]

If Jonathan Wells (I think he's a poor man's Eddie George) is capable of being a starting RB, then RB can wait

Jonathon Wells- Is built like a stereo-typical NFL RB but morwe often than not he runs like a 175 pound punt returner. He was one of my favorites at OSU. I love the big bruising RB but Wells will break your heart more often than he will run someone over. He does have his moments (late last year he ran the ball hard but it took him too long to get tothat point)

Eddie- Hard working stud. He went from fumbling 3 times asa Freshamn vs Illinois to the Heisman. This guy has an amazing work ethci and was a good kid!

As for Clarett you can't have him!!! He is the best player we have had since Archie (appolgies to Eddie, Robert Smith, Katzenmoyer, Spielman, Galloway, Boston, Orlando Pace, etc) but this kid is a freaking stud as a Freshman!!! He's all ours for 2 more full years plus the remainder of this season as well!

War Buckeyes!!!
The Fiesata Bowl is which way? Here we come!!!

[drapg]

Originally posted by kidrock8
Any player who leaves school early for the NFL, must have graduated from HS 3 years before. In this case, Benson will have only been in his 2nd year out of HS, and Clarett, 1 year.

I agree about Clarett, that guy is a beast. Jerome Bettis, with a fast as hell burst through the OL.

good point my man. that rule totally slipped my mind, seeing as how we're on a basketball bbs!! :D

[JamesC]

Originally posted by kidrock8
I love Roy Williams, but his nagging injuries don't bode well investing a very high pick on him.

What nagging injuries?

[PhiSlammaJamma]

I'd like to get a WR like boston. That guy was clocking people as an offensive player. But if a good RB is available then I want that to be the first pick. We need some more offensive weapons.

[Manny Ramirez]

Originally posted by ESource
You guys have to get a #1 WR for Carr. Gaffney would make an outstanding #2 eventually, but Carr needs more weapons. Any of these three WRs would be a great choice: 1) Charles Rodgers(Michigan St.), 2) Kelley Washington(Tennessee), or 3)Roy Williams(Texas)

Andre Johnson from Miami is just as good or better than Kelley Washington. As for the other two, it is close, but I would rank Andre #3.

He has been regarded as the best Miami WR prospect since Michael Irvin.

[gr8-1]

Originally posted by JamesC
What nagging injuries?

Ankle and bone spurs. He had surgery in the offseason, so he could be a bit more explosive.

[JamesC]

Thanks for the info.

[4chuckie]

I think you take the best availalble. I'll b ehonest I haven't paid much attention to the prospects (except for all the QBs getting all the hype). Outside of another QB I think you take whoever is there (D-line, receiver, O-line, RB, CB, LB). Teh Texans need help everywhere (except QB and OT if both of them can get healthy).

You can pick up some serviceable players via FA but the backbone of your team will come via your first round picks your first few years. Houston is different than Cleveland in that you do have some nice vets (Boselli, Sharper, etc) but the first round picks are crucial. I would pigeon hole yourself into one position, just take the best availalbel and give them time!

[Desert Scar]

The Texans are in desperate need of skill position players. They have done a nice job of acquring good defense players and an OL so that is not where I would focus on unless a guy like Peppers was just too good to pass up. Thank god they didn't draft McKinnie, he wasn't even the first tackle picked and whose agent is trying to screw the Vikings. I think Carr was the right pick, though if they could have traded down and gotten Peppers and an extra #1 or #2 I would not have been upset about it.

Reggie Williams (Washington) and ther MSU WR are very highly reknowned also. I still think the Texans should have picked Josh Reed over Gaffney. The fact Reed is getting PT and balls thrown to him on a team already with 2 stub WRs is impressive. Oh well on that one.

I do not think Wells or Allen are answers at the TB. The Texans have a good start (D, OL & excellent QB prospect), they just need to address skill players. You can do this through the draft or FA.

[mduke]

take Andre Woolfolk!:D

[ESource]

Originally posted by Manny Ramirez
Andre Johnson from Miami is just as good or better than Kelley Washington. As for the other two, it is close, but I would rank Andre #3.

He has been regarded as the best Miami WR prospect since Michael Irvin.
Good point! I forgot about him. Aw heck, just draft as many Miami players next year and you guys will be fine! Damn, there are so many NFL prospects on that Hurricane team, it is scary!!!:eek:

[Lil Francis]

Top 3 players the Texans should be looking at are:

Roy Williams
Charles Rogers
Andre Johnson

[kidrock8]

What is the fascination with Andre Johnson? He seems like a Rocket Ismail clone.

[JamesC]

Originally posted by kidrock8
What is the fascination with Andre Johnson? He seems like a Rocket Ismail clone.

Thats not a bad thing if he's healthy.

[moonnumack]

Look back over the last 10 years or so, and you'll see that high 1st round RBs and WRs are very risky. Remember how our last team (Oilers) built their team in the draft: with Pro-Bowlers Mike Munchak and Bruce Mathews. I know O-line picks are not sexy, but that's the best way to build a team once you have your franchise QB. The kicker is that Boselli and Young (if healthy) are expected to anchor the 2 tackle spots, so I would go D-line or playmaking LB next.

[ElGrandeQueso]

If the Texans have a chance to draft Roy Williams, I don't see them passing. The man has Hall of Fame potential. He's better than Charlie Rogers but he has 2 NFL WR's(BJ Johnson and Sloan Thomas) playing next to him as well as potentially a future #1 pick RB(Cedric Benson) so his stats are hindered. If he was showcased in an offense like Rogers, Williams could put up 100 catches and 20 TD's.

[Truth]

Well guys here's Mel Kiper's Big 25. Leftwich is on top. By the looks of things I want the Texans to trade and get as much as they can,
http://espn.go.com/melkiper/index.html

[NYKRule]

Originally posted by moonnumack
Look back over the last 10 years or so, and you'll see that high 1st round RBs and WRs are very risky. Remember how our last team (Oilers) built their team in the draft: with Pro-Bowlers Mike Munchak and Bruce Mathews. I know O-line picks are not sexy, but that's the best way to build a team once you have your franchise QB. The kicker is that Boselli and Young (if healthy) are expected to anchor the 2 tackle spots, so I would go D-line or playmaking LB next.


Also remember how the Oilers picked Earl Campbell #1 overall.

[rezdawg]

No doubt they should go for a receiver. We have at best, two #2 calibur wide outs. We need a #1 player to go to.

[Possum]

Originally posted by NYKRule
Also remember how the Oilers picked Earl Campbell #1 overall.

How many Earl Campbells do you see coming out next year?

[nWo34Life]

Originally posted by Truth
Well guys here's Mel Kiper's Big 25. Leftwich is on top. By the looks of things I want the Texans to trade and get as much as they can,
http://espn.go.com/melkiper/index.html
Why would we need Leftwich? Carr is going to be our cornerstone....

I think they should go after Brett Williams, Vince Manuwai, or Derrick Dockery on that list. It says that Williams protects the BLINDSIDE of his QB. I think we needed that against SD when Herndon couldn't do his job.....

[Refman]

Is it just me or could Chester Pitts not block anybody without holding?

[RocketFan85]

Charles Rogers should be our pick, the guy is a future super-star. Charles Rogers, Jabar Gaffney, and Corey Bradford give Carr some good weapons to throw to. I realy like Kevin Jones, RB at Virgina Tech, but he is not coming out yet I don't think. If we end up with the #1 pick we should trade it and move down to like #6 and pick Charles Rogers.

[Desert Scar]

Originally posted by moonnumack
Look back over the last 10 years or so, and you'll see that high 1st round RBs and WRs are very risky. Remember how our last team (Oilers) built their team in the draft: with Pro-Bowlers Mike Munchak and Bruce Mathews. I know O-line picks are not sexy, but that's the best way to build a team once you have your franchise QB. The kicker is that Boselli and Young (if healthy) are expected to anchor the 2 tackle spots, so I would go D-line or playmaking LB next.

Does anyone remember Tony Mandarich--considered about the highest rated OT to ever enter the draft. Bustola. There is no such thing as a sure thing even in the OL.

If an offensive lineman is clearly the most talented player, sure take him. But the skill players or a DE/OLB just can have more impact as a single player. There are no offensive linemen who have ever played who I would have taken ahead of any of the following: Marino, Elway, Jim Brown, Earl Campbell, Jerry Rice, LT, Walter Payton, OJ, or Reggie White. Just the nature of the positions.

If the Texans have the first pick or the highest rated player on the board is a QB (very probable) I would say trade down. But if they have say a 4-5-6 pick I would not have a problem if they picked the best of the 6'3"+ wrs--there seems to be quite a crop. I'd include RBs too, but I don't see any RBs the level of Rogers, the Williams's, Johnson or Washington (E. James, R. Williams, or Faulk type prospects). Though I am a UT fan honestly the player that so far impressed me the most of these is Rogers. He is doing it without a lot of other weapons around him, being doubled all the time, and not much of a QB. None of the others seem quite as complete (deep, quick short, and over the middle routes), nor can say those other things I mentioned.

[NYKRule]

KJ will go #1 overall....book it.

[kidrock8]

Originally posted by JamesC
Thats not a bad thing if he's healthy.

You don't use a top 5 pick for a #2 WR... More like a 2nd round pick.

[kidrock8]

Originally posted by NYKRule
KJ will go #1 overall....book it.


If you mean Kevin Jones, it would have to be in the 2004 draft, as he's not draft eligible.

I'm a big Jones fan, but what would prevent him from going #1 is the ? mark if he can run between the tackles. Right now, he's primarily a perimeter runner. In the NFL, the LBs are too fast to run sweeps all day long. If he can prove that he can succeed with up the gut running, then he has a very good shot at #1.

[NYKRule]

Originally posted by kidrock8
If you mean Kevin Jones, it would have to be in the 2004 draft, as he's not draft eligible.

I'm a big Jones fan, but what would prevent him from going #1 is the ? mark if he can run between the tackles. Right now, he's primarily a perimeter runner. In the NFL, the LBs are too fast to run sweeps all day long. If he can prove that he can succeed with up the gut running, then he has a very good shot at #1.

I know. I don't want him leaving early like Vick.

[Desert Scar]

Originally posted by kidrock8
If you mean Kevin Jones, it would have to be in the 2004 draft, as he's not draft eligible.

I'm a big Jones fan, but what would prevent him from going #1 is the ? mark if he can run between the tackles. Right now, he's primarily a perimeter runner. In the NFL, the LBs are too fast to run sweeps all day long. If he can prove that he can succeed with up the gut running, then he has a very good shot at #1.

Maybe I need to watch him more but to me he doesn't even look to be the best tailback on his team. Suggs seems to be more effective between the tackles (what made Emitt Smith special) and on cut backs (how Terrel Davis excelled)--kind of skills pro tailbacks need more so than strait line speed.

Again I haven't seen any tailbacks prospects I put in the league with Rogers or Roy Williams as receivers. Smith, Griffin, Graham and Greg Jones look overated to me. While Clarett certainly looks very promising, Benson is very good, certainly Suggs is good, Clarence Farmer is good (even if he hasn't go any blocking yet), to bad I missed Marty Johnson last week (injured), even so none of these guys look Ricky Williams-E. James-Thomlinson (sp?)- Marshall Faulk good. Maybe Clarett will but I need to see him dominante a good defense geared to stop him first plus do things that his back-ups obviously can't do before I am convinced.

[NYKRule]

They don't run Jones inside because Suggs is such a good inside runner. When Jones gets most of the carries, with Marcus Vick next year....it'll be crazy. Suggs himself is pretty damn good, he's a definite top 15 pick.

[kidrock8]

Suggs' draft status is iffy IMO. I could see him being a late 1st or an early 2nd rounder. It's iffy because of his ACL tear. Fair or not, it will hurt his draft stock.

IMO, Clarence Farmer is the best pure draft eligible runner at RB. He will definitely need to improve blocking (or at least start blocking), as well as catching passes out of the backfield, with all the WC offenses that are so popular now. Farmer does a great job lowering his shoulders.

When Jones turns the corner, he looks amazing. The problem is getting past that corner. He needs to polish up on some of his running skills. Physically, he has as much raw athleticism as any RB in the nation.

[kidrock8]

Scar-What do you not like about Greg Jones? He has trouble turning the corners, but he's a hoss b/t the tackles imo.

[Master Baiter]

I think that the Texans should go with best available player in the first round or possibly trade their first round pick. Next years draft is loaded with QB's and lots of teams will be slobbering to move up in the draft. I think our biggest weaknesses are RB, Safety, and TE. I then think we should start adding depth to our roster. OL is going to be ok after we get our stud tackles back because the guys starting now will be good backups. DL, LB, and WR needs some depth. I am hoping that we can use our high draft pick to possibly pick up a stub RB.

[Ric]

it's not been casserly's style to use a high pick on a running back; he traded away what would've been the ricky williams pick and i don't think he's ever drafted a RB higher than the 3rd or 4th round.

i get the feeling casserly views RB as the final piece of the puzzle because of their relatively short shelf life. no need to find a back at this point, wear him down behind a suspect line and watch him turn ineffective when the team's finally ready to win. get your QB ready, establish your OL, find playmakers on the corner... and then go get your back. unless one of them either makes the leap or the texans trade down, i'd be shocked if he took a RB with his (likely) top 5 pick. in fact, i'd be shocked if it were a playmaker at all... if i were a betting man, right now, at this very instant? i'd put my money on william joseph. loooooooooong way to go, but....

[Desert Scar]

Originally posted by kidrock8

IMO, Clarence Farmer is the best pure draft eligible runner at RB. He will definitely need to improve blocking (or at least start blocking), as well as catching passes out of the backfield, with all the WC offenses that are so popular now. Farmer does a great job lowering his shoulders.


Actually Farmer is doing a monster job of picking up blitzes and a good job running routes and catching short passes this year. The main reason he hasn't been seen much of is his line is doing nothing as far as run blocking. Wisconsin will be an interesting test this week for him--I think he will be ready to strap it on. My main two (relatively minor) issues with him right now is he is too ready to try to outrun everyone by breaking it outside (when he can finish runs very well between the tackles when we wants to--picking up the steady positive gains) and perhaps overall conditioning. Great physical tools though, what what I have seen I like him better than K Jones as a pro back.

I'll have to watch G. Jones some more, I'll be open.

[kidrock8]

Scar- Greg Jones is a YAC machine. He won't make an 80 yd run, untouched, but he can get you the 5-7 yard gains consistently. However, he does have very good speed for a guy who weighs 235-240.

[RocketFan85]

Corey Redding, that is who we should be getting,DE out of UT. Although I am a Aggie and hate UT, you can't say that don't have some good players. And there best player is Redding, and we should grab him if we don't trade down in the draft. I also like Charles Rogers, but you could trade down to pick 8 or so to get him. If we don't get Rogers in the first round, then in the 2nd we should get the best one still there, like Lee Evans or Andre Johnson or if he still there Roy Williams.

[gr8-1]

We don't even know if we'll get the #1 pick. In fact, I doubt we will. Redding or Joseph would be brilliant picks. I think Redding will be better in the pros. What a physical specimen he is.

[Prempeh]

I'm a UT alum, and I wanted to get some opinions on Redding's future in the NFL. No doubt he is truly gifted physically, but I don't think he's what Capers would be looking for in the 3-4, unless they think he could play on the outside as a pass rusher.

In a 4-3, I could definitely see him as a Jevon Kearse type.

Good post, Ric...I wouldn't want to see them draft a RB this early on in the process. I would love to get a stud lineman on either side of the ball. I love Roy Williams, too -- provided he stays healthy I think he might be hard to pass up if he comes out...

[kidrock8]

I've always thought Redding was overrated. Definitely an awesome specimen, but he has no pass rush moves. He might make a better OLB than a DE.

[Live]

Assuming the Texans end up with a top 3 pick, trade down to acquire multiple picks and draft the best difference-maker available, offense or defense.

[tozai]

Originally posted by ESource
You guys have to get a #1 WR for Carr. Gaffney would make an outstanding #2 eventually, but Carr needs more weapons. Any of these three WRs would be a great choice: 1) Charles Rodgers(Michigan St.), 2) Kelley Washington(Tennessee), or 3)Roy Williams(Texas)

Just what I'm thinking, but I'm partial to Roy. He works too hard and has too high expectations to not want him. Plus he's a freak...

[CriscoKidd]

Okay, Rogers looks pretty damn good. :)