1 in 5 Houstonians.....

[NewYorker]

...think the biggest moment in Houston sports history is an 1st-year expansion team beating a team that was 5-11 last year.

I can tell you this, no one in Dallas will remember this game in five years. But everyone in Houston will if the Texans don't win a Superbowl.

But apparently, a lot of people (18%) have already forgotten what the Rockets did for this city.

[Refman]

While I don't agree that that was the biggest sports moment in this city here's why it was voted as such:

1) It's still fresh in everybody's mind. (It was a week ago)
2) It hadn't happened in 40 years.
3) Football is a HUGE deal in this town.

I would have voted for the Rockets second championship as the biggest sports moment...but what do I know? :)

[Behad]

Excuse me? I voted in that poll, and the results, as I remember them (I'll try to find it) were Rockets 1st title...59%, then Texans...18%, then the rest were Astros, UH v. UCLA, and something else. How is this forgetting what the Rockets did?

Edit:
In an informal two-day poll conducted on the Chronicle's Internet site (www.chron.com) last week, 18 percent of almost 4,100 respondents said they believe the Texans' 19-10 win over the Dallas Cowboys in their regular-season debut last Sunday represents the pinnacle for Houston sports teams.

First place in the poll, with 56 percent, not surprisingly belongs to the 1994 Rockets, who beat the New York Knicks in seven games for the city's first NBA title. Fifteen percent cite the 1968 Astrodome basketball game in which the University of Houston beat two-time defending national champion UCLA 71-69, snapping the Bruins' 47-game win streak before more than 50,000 fans and college basketball's first big-time national television audience.

Rounding out the top five are Mike Scott's 1986 Astrodome no-hitter, which clinched the National League West title for the Astros, at 8 percent, and the Comets' fourth straight WNBA title at 2 percent


You think maybe, just maybe, 1 in 5 Houstonians are not basketball fans?

[mateo]

Dude, your first 3 threads have all been rather troll-like.

1. Fairweather Houston fan thread
2. Houston hates Rockets thread
3. Lets trade Cato for a broken down Dream thread


Whats next....gee I cant wait.

Like I said in our other thread, Texas is a FOOTBALL state. Six years of no football followed by a victory over Dallas, who:

calls itself "America's Team" (never figured this out)

has been forced down our throats for the last few years (its awesome that 4 Dallas games wont be on local TV this year)

is hated by a significant population of the local population (and sadly enough loved by a siginificant chunk as well)

THIS WIN IS GOING TO RESONATE IN THIS AREA FOR AWHILE.

Deal with it.

[kidrock8]

Ban this loser Yankee.

[NewYorker]

Typical talk for a guy who thinks Transco tower is a wonder of the world.

Originally posted by kidrock8
Ban this loser Yankee.

[NewYorker]

When some asks you what was the biggest moment in your cities sports history...It's going to be the first game of a regular season game?

This is why no one respects Houston Fans...or considers it a sports town. You can make all the excuses you want, but even before the oilers embarrassing loss, Houston didn't support the Oilers at times. Sure, you can hate Bud Adams, but for a "Football" city to lose it's team does not seem to make it a very good "football" town.

And lets remember who saved Houston from being the laughing stock of the country sportswise. The Rockets.

You guys bash Hakeem, the guy who saved your city from being a joke. Between the Oilers lose and the Rockets first championship, the jokes made about Houston being champions of choke were nasty.

The biggest moment in this town's history was when it finally got that chip of it's shoulder of being a loser sports town. That's why this BBS is called Cluth remember? From Choke city to Clutch City, now back to Chip-On-Shoulder City.

Perhaps you guys don't deserve those two NBA championships...since enough of you would be happy to trade it in for the Texans beating the Cowboys...a game no one outside of Texas gave two bleeps about.

Originally posted by Refman
While I don't agree that that was the biggest sports moment in this city here's why it was voted as such:

1) It's still fresh in everybody's mind. (It was a week ago)
2) It hadn't happened in 40 years.
3) Football is a HUGE deal in this town.

I would have voted for the Rockets second championship as the biggest sports moment...but what do I know? :)

[Behad]

Did you read the results? Let me repeat:

Rockets first title: 56%
Texans win.........: 18%
UofH over UCLA: 15%
Mike Scott no-no: 8%
Comets win : 2%

Explain to me again how these results are disrespecting the Rockets?

[mrpaige]

Originally posted by NewYorker
...but for a "Football" city to lose it's team does not seem to make it a very good "football" town.

Yeah, like Cleveland. They've lost two teams.

Now Atlanta. There's a football town.

[Elvis Costello]

Oh, God this is a lame thread. Does anyone have any troll spray?

[Summer Song Giver]

We had to know this was coming:rolleyes:

Texan Fans it's gonna be a long long year for the guys on the field and for us having to tolerate jagg-offs like our dear friend New Yorker.

As long as the team improves from here on out and gets a little better each week we should all be pleased. Consider the first game a gift for our city and for Bob Mcnair but make no mistake this season isn't about wins and losses it's about improvement from week to week.

The first game was so hyped just because we had been waiting for so long AND because we beat the Cowgirls it was a special moment for us. Don't let this guy bother any of you, this guy is probably a John Starks fan so he has his own demons to deal with. :D

The Rockets remain the only team to bring not one but two major championships to H-Town. I don't remeber any ticker tape parades or parties in the streets last week after the game. But bet your a$$ we shut down Richmond for the Rocket Championships.

Were is my can of Troll-Be-Gone?

[Refman]

Originally posted by NewYorker
When some asks you what was the biggest moment in your cities sports history...It's going to be the first game of a regular season game?

This is why no one respects Houston Fans...or considers it a sports town. You can make all the excuses you want, but even before the oilers embarrassing loss, Houston didn't support the Oilers at times. Sure, you can hate Bud Adams, but for a "Football" city to lose it's team does not seem to make it a very good "football" town.

And lets remember who saved Houston from being the laughing stock of the country sportswise. The Rockets.

You guys bash Hakeem, the guy who saved your city from being a joke. Between the Oilers lose and the Rockets first championship, the jokes made about Houston being champions of choke were nasty.

The biggest moment in this town's history was when it finally got that chip of it's shoulder of being a loser sports town. That's why this BBS is called Cluth remember? From Choke city to Clutch City, now back to Chip-On-Shoulder City.

Perhaps you guys don't deserve those two NBA championships...since enough of you would be happy to trade it in for the Texans beating the Cowboys...a game no one outside of Texas gave two bleeps about.
Beofre you go off spelling out what a horrible sports town Houston is let me remind you that just 2 years after the Mets won the World Series a crown mic picked up a fan at Shea yelling that Davey Johnson was the worst manager ever to live. Now THERE'S fan loyalty. Now get back in your glass house troll. :mad:

[mrpaige]

Originally posted by Refman
Beofre you go off spelling out what a horrible sports town Houston is let me remind you that just 2 years after the Mets won the World Series a crown mic picked up a fan at Shea yelling that Davey Johnson was the worst manager ever to live. Now THERE'S fan loyalty. Now get back in your glass house troll. :mad:

That's because New York is obviously not a baseball town. If a "baseball city" loses several baseball teams, it's not much of a baseball town now, is it? (using the same logic that makes Houston not a football town).

[NewYorker]

56% is an embarrassment.

Originally posted by Behad
Did you read the results? Let me repeat:

Rockets first title: 56%
Texans win.........: 18%
UofH over UCLA: 15%
Mike Scott no-no: 8%
Comets win : 2%

Explain to me again how these results are disrespecting the Rockets?

[NewYorker]

I don't think a young puppy can be compared to an ancient dog...but NY is very much a baseball town. You only need to know that there are minor league games that sell out here.

Houston doesn't even sell out it's playoff games. I know, I've been to some of them.

Originally posted by mrpaige
That's because New York is obviously not a baseball town. If a "baseball city" loses several baseball teams, it's not much of a baseball town now, is it? (using the same logic that makes Houston not a football town).

[Refman]

Originally posted by NewYorker
56% is an embarrassment.
you have got to be the biggest troll I have ever seen.

[NewYorker]

I'm not a mets fan, but at least they go to the games.

Originally posted by Refman
Beofre you go off spelling out what a horrible sports town Houston is let me remind you that just 2 years after the Mets won the World Series a crown mic picked up a fan at Shea yelling that Davey Johnson was the worst manager ever to live. Now THERE'S fan loyalty. Now get back in your glass house troll. :mad:

[Refman]

Originally posted by NewYorker
I'm not a mets fan, but at least they go to the games.
Actually the game that I was referring to was sold out ONLY if their fans had dressed up as empty seats.

EDIT: The Mets averaged 32,300 fans per game in 2001. The Astros averaged 35,800 per game in 2001. Who goes to the games again?

[NewYorker]

Right, so you are comparing the Astros Inaugaral Season in a NEW BALL PARK to the Mets? Let's not forget the Astros won the division that year, and the Mets were not in contention.

But let's look at 2002: So far, the wild card chasing Stros garnered 31,208 fans per game. Not bad, Ranks then 14th. A playoff contender and 2nd year ball park gets you 14th? Questionable.

As for those Mets...never really in contention...laid claim to the worst NL home losing streak in history (15, 16 games?), and who play is one of the worst stadiums in the country (now that the Astrodome is gone)...drew a measely 36,284.

Folk, you know how to make the Astros a contender? Get five thousand more people to come to each game.

Originally posted by Refman
Actually the game that I was referring to was sold out ONLY if their fans had dressed up as empty seats.

EDIT: The Mets averaged 32,300 fans per game in 2001. The Astros averaged 35,800 per game in 2001. Who goes to the games again?

[Refman]

the Astros Inaugaral Season in a NEW BALL PARK
The inaugural season would have been 2000...I provided attendance numbers for 2001.

[bobrek]

Originally posted by NewYorker
Right, so you are comparing the Astros Inaugaral Season in a NEW BALL PARK to the Mets? Let's not forget the Astros won the division that year, and the Mets were not in contention.

But let's look at 2002: So far, the wild card chasing Stros garnered 31,208 fans per game. Not bad, Ranks then 14th. A playoff contender and 2nd year ball park gets you 14th? Questionable.

As for those Mets...never really in contention...laid claim to the worst NL home losing streak in history (15, 16 games?), and who play is one of the worst stadiums in the country (now that the Astrodome is gone)...drew a measely 36,284.

Folk, you know how to make the Astros a contender? Get five thousand more people to come to each game.

How many people live in the New York area? Percentage wise. many more Houstonians attend Astros games even if you split the NY fan base in half.

Hmmmm, didn't NY lose two baseball teams (Dodgers and Giants)?

[Wakko67]

Who cares about this character's opinion. I'm a Houstonian and I support all my teams. Win or lose. Rain or shine. Clutch or choke.

I live with them. I die with them. There's no other way.

Love to all the true Houstonian fans. ;)

[Castor27]

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[MadMax]

Originally posted by NewYorker
When some asks you what was the biggest moment in your cities sports history...It's going to be the first game of a regular season game?

This is why no one respects Houston Fans...or considers it a sports town. You can make all the excuses you want, but even before the oilers embarrassing loss, Houston didn't support the Oilers at times. Sure, you can hate Bud Adams, but for a "Football" city to lose it's team does not seem to make it a very good "football" town.

And lets remember who saved Houston from being the laughing stock of the country sportswise. The Rockets.

You guys bash Hakeem, the guy who saved your city from being a joke. Between the Oilers lose and the Rockets first championship, the jokes made about Houston being champions of choke were nasty.

The biggest moment in this town's history was when it finally got that chip of it's shoulder of being a loser sports town. That's why this BBS is called Cluth remember? From Choke city to Clutch City, now back to Chip-On-Shoulder City.

Perhaps you guys don't deserve those two NBA championships...since enough of you would be happy to trade it in for the Texans beating the Cowboys...a game no one outside of Texas gave two bleeps about.

Hey, genuis...the city was still buzzing over this regular season win when this survey was done...not exactly objective...how many people were surveyed who didn't even live in Houston in 1994 when the Rockets won the first title...it's not exactly scientific. And keep in mind, this was the first game back in a football city that hasn't had football for 6 years beating the in-state rivals!! It's not just a regular season game...oh, and by the way...a recent survey in Dallas said it was their WORST lose in franchise history...stew on that one.

Still...a good majority of the people said the Rockets' first title was the most significant sporting event...

[haven]

Troll...

...you see the same phenomena in any poll you look at when one team has very recently accomplished something great.

The ESPN polls provide a continual source of amusement. Fans continually vote for whichever team accomplished something recently as opposed to famous "historic" teams. I remember, when the Ravens won their first super bowl, and ESPN poll declared them the greatest defensive team ever, edging out the Steel Curtain. Ricky Williams was voted the greatest college RB ever. Only to be surplanted by Ron Dayne the next year after Dayne broke the record (despite a lower YPC average, fewer receptions, and 4 seasons as the feature back whereas Williams only had 2).

Same with McGwire. An ESPN poll declared him the greatest 1b ever. Oops.

Ask the same question in a year, and fans will regain perspective.

Of course, NYC is a better sports town than Houston. But NYC is probably the 2nd best sports town in America, after Boston, so it's not really a fair comparison.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by haven


Of course, NYC is a better sports town than Houston. But NYC is probably the 2nd best sports town in America, after Boston, so it's not really a fair comparison.

It's also not a fair comparison when you consider the sports history of Houston and the sports history of New York...Houston did not have professional sports until 1960...New York became the very definition of baseball in the 1920's....my father grew up in a Houston with no pro sports...i am the first generation of my family to have a team, and all that is associated with that, to pass down to my son...and I'm doing that....but that kind of intense love/hate that comes with a pro sports team doesn't develop, as it has in NY, overnight.

[asw]

Originally posted by NewYorker
...think the biggest moment in Houston sports history is an 1st-year expansion team beating a team that was 5-11 last year.

I can tell you this, no one in Dallas will remember this game in five years. But everyone in Houston will if the Texans don't win a Superbowl.

But apparently, a lot of people (18%) have already forgotten what the Rockets did for this city.

Dude,
You can't be serious, can you? Do you even realize how ridiculous your post seems? Like some informal poll on a website that anyone can respond to as many times as they like, and very few people did, will represent and define Houston as a city! That is one of the most ridiculous propositions ever. I read all your posts, and I really am not sure why, but anyway get off it. There are what.... 16 million or so people in your area, and that doesn't even count the potential fans of NY teams in the surrounding states that have no teams of their own. Support is automatic even if they can't win. Hey the Clippers moved to LA from San Diego, because they KNEW they could suck and still draw fans! And they have for years... there are what.... 12 million people in the LA area... HELLO! We, however, don't find it to be an obligation to spend our hard earned money on a team, JUST BECAUSE THEY PLAY IN OUR HOMETOWN!!! These are business'! They would love it if we were stupid enough to sell out their palaces, even when they suck horribly and there is no hope of really being the best! You however can continue to support any team of yours regardless of how incompetently they run their team. After all it is your obligation, you are a New Yorker. Don't bother trying to think for yourself.

[Ric]

Originally posted by MadMax
i am the first generation of my family to have a team, and all that is associated with that, to pass down to my son...
wait, wait, wait... completely unimportant and off-topic, but... if you were born in 1974... and sports came to houston in 1960 (1962 for those that might not count the AFL).... how are you the first generation to pass sports on to your son? i'm 3 years older, and my dad sure as hell passed his love of houston sports down to me.

just curious -- the math doesn't seem to fit.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by Ric
wait, wait, wait... completely unimportant and off-topic, but... if you were born in 1974... and sports came to houston in 1960 (1962 for those that might not count the AFL).... how are you the first generation to pass sports on to your son? i'm 3 years older, and my dad sure as hell passed his love of houston sports down to me.

just curious -- the math doesn't seem to fit.


my dad didn't grow up with the astros...he graduated from Lamar High School in 1955...pro sports didn't exist here then, except for minor league baseball, as I understand it. it was another 5 years before real pro sports came to houston. by the time i graduated from high school, houston pro sports was in my blood. my dad took me to games, but there was no where near the passion in him that there was for me...these teams were my teams, simply because they were...i'm the first generation in my family at least to be able to pass that experience down.

[Ric]

Originally posted by NewYorker
...think the biggest moment in Houston sports history is an 1st-year expansion team beating a team that was 5-11 last year.
well, considering it's happened all of twice in the nfl's 83-year history, and the last time was 41 years ago... it's a little bit bigger deal than you're making it out to be. bigger than the rocket championships? of course not, but probably the biggest thing since the championships.

Originally posted by NewYorker
You can make all the excuses you want, but even before the oilers embarrassing loss, Houston didn't support the Oilers at times. Sure, you can hate Bud Adams, but for a "Football" city to lose it's team does not seem to make it a very good "football" town.
this again...? the oilers were very well supported during their tenure in houston considering their record over that 37-year span was 251-291-6 and included only 24 playoff games (of which they lost 13) and countless public relations disasters. hell, bud moved because he wanted a bigger stadium in order to generate more revenue. the dome was sold beyond capacity every year between 1988 and 1993.

also, the city may have lost its team, but the fans had no say in it whatsoever. there were no referendums; adams and lanier got tangled up in a pissing match and it cost the city its team; the fans were merely innocent bystanders. the nfl conjured up this notion houston wasn't supporting the team in order to appease adams. the nfl is now having to go out of its way to recitify that which it helped destroy.

houston is, and always has been, a very goof football town.

[Ric]

Originally posted by MadMax
my dad didn't grow up with the astros...he graduated from Lamar High School in 1955...pro sports didn't exist here then, except for minor league baseball, as I understand it. it was another 5 years before real pro sports came to houston. by the time i graduated from high school, houston pro sports was in my blood. my dad took me to games, but there was no where near the passion in him that there was for me...these teams were my teams, simply because they were...i'm the first generation in my family at least to be able to pass that experience down.

oh, ok, if you mean you were the first generation to grow up with houston sports... ok, that makes more sense. my dad didn't grow up with it, either, but it was in his blood and it was definitely passed down to me through him.