name the top 13

[wagner]

could u guys post here the lottery that u think will be in 2003....
...and name the teams too

mine is like this ::


1) (Denver) LeBron James
2) (Cleveland) Chris Duhorn
3) (Golden State) Kirk Hinrich
4) (Wizards) Chris Bosh
5) (Seattle) Charlie Villanueva
6) (Chicago) Carmelo Anthony
7) (Milwaukee) James White
8) (New York) Nick Collison
9) (Miami) Kendrick Perkins
10) (Utah) TJ Ford
11) (Phoenix) Luke Rindour
12) (Toronto) Dwayne Wade
13) (Indiana) Chris Marcus

[hardeji]

1. James
2. Anthoney
3. Perkins
4. Bosh
5. Duhon
6. Marcus
7. White
8. Ford
9. Hinrich
10. Ridenour or Collison?????

I don't know much about the European influence next year. Could be staggering, if this year's picks perform like Gasol did last year. James is the only probable no-brainer. Ford's got a lot of upside; and could go top 5 if he steps up his scoring some.
The insider's say Carmello's the real deal. Perkins is supposed to have a body for the nba, too.
The KU guys (Hinrich and Collison) could go high if Kansas wins another 30 games and Gooden turns into a steal.

Other than my comments, I have no clue; just what I've read.

Who knows?????? Interesting topic, though.

[wagner]

hej hardeji nice post...but Chris Marcus in #6 ????
I think that Marcus will fall out of lottery...

so I have heard too that Carmelo is thereal deal but I think that he won't go that high.....because all of the "****ty teams" dont need a SF...

[jevjnd]

What's up with Hinrich as the 3rd spot. Are you kidding me this guy won't amount to Trajan Langdon. You're joking right?

[wagner]

I readed a few articles about player rankings fron the experts and my mock is now like this...: :)


1) (Denver) LeBron James
2) (Cleveland) Chris Duhorn
3) (Golden State) Kendrick Perkins
4) (Wizards) Chris Bosh
5) (Seattle) James White
6) (Chicago) Carmelo Anthony
7) (New York) Charlie Villanueva
8) (Milwaukee) Kirk Hinrich
9) (Toronto) Nick Collison
10) (Utah) TJ Ford
11) (Miami) Luke Rindour
12) (Detroit) Dwayne Wade
13) (Indiana) James Lang

[wagner]

Can u tell me some of the trades that have been made in the 2003 draft...

i know just that

*Detroit recievs Memphis' 1 round pick.
*Boston recievs Philadelphia' 1 round pick.
*Atlanta recievs Indianas 1 round pick.


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[tozai]

CHRIS BOSH, PERKINS???

They are NOWHERE near ready. After Kwame, Tyson, and Eddy, don't expect HS players or early entries to be picked lottery (exception Lebron)

And Chris Duhon at #2 would be one of the worst picks of all time

This whole mock is a freaking joke other than the 1st pick...

[wagner]

hej tozai u really think that Perkins and Bosh won't be in lottery?!?!?!?!:eek::eek:

do u wanna' bet ;)

Did u expect that Curry,Chandler and Kwame will produce right away?!?!?!?!

guess again:)

[wagner]

If BOSH & PERKINS will be in 2003 draft then they WILL be in lottery

[jams3y]

i heard james white might be getting the jim pt wise this year cus of that euro christian dejo or something like that . . . wonder that'll do for his position . . . i mean he's a skywalker, don't get me wrong, just curious . . . but tsika got drafted w/ no pt, so i dunno

[DoitDickau]

It's way too early to tell. From first glance though it looks like a really weak draft. If anything that just means more potential suprise picks.

The last few year has taught us to except some foreign players to jump into the lotto (how many of us would have put nick t. and hilario last year at this time), esp. if this year's foreign crop does well.

Also besides lebron, it's possible that one or more or either perkins, ndudi ebi, james lang, or jackie battle enter the draft. With a good senior year and some hype from workouts, all of these guys could be lotto picks next year.

While guys like emeka okafor, tj ford, and james white all might be high first round picks, there no way to know whether or not they'll come out. Also how will the freshman do and will they come out.

Having said that, here are ten american players who i think will go mid to high first round if they come out.

Kirk Hinreich
Nick Collison
Emeka Okafor
Kenderick Perkins
Raymond Felton
Carmelo Anthony
Chris Duhon
Ndi Ebi
Lebron James
Andre Brown

[tozai]

Originally posted by wagner
hej tozai u really think that Perkins and Bosh won't be in lottery?!?!?!?!:eek::eek:

do u wanna' bet ;)

Did u expect that Curry,Chandler and Kwame will produce right away?!?!?!?!

guess again:)

I didn't expect Curry, CHandler or Kwame to produce instantly. The point is, unless the kid looks like a stud(Lebron) people aren't going to be so likely to waste lottery picks. Kendrick Perkins is nowhere even CLOSE to ready. I'm sure you've never even seen this kid play. You probably went to NBAdraft.net and are one of those pathetic kids who jock hyped up players without even seeing them. Recite by memory all your favorite recruiting analyst's thoughts, because you don't know what you're talking about.
Do you even live in Houston?
You probably couldn't even tell me what team Perkins went to without looking it up? Do you know who he played in the 4A championship? Do you know what happened to him? What about at the Academy tournament? You don't know a thing, so stop talking ignorantly. You're making a fool of yourself talking so matter-of-factly that Perkins is a Lotto pick. Maybe he will be, but it would have to be an awfully dumb GM to do so.

The only way that Bosh or Perkins would be lottery is because next year's draft is ridiculously weak.

I would bet you that Bosh & Perkins won't be lottery, but how would I?

[wagner]

:mad: :mad: DON'T PUSH ME!!!!!!!!:mad: :mad:



;)

[hoopgod13]

Can I get in on this bet?

Lol...Bosh and Perkins = bust. Did u see the McDonald's All-American game? Bosh sucks.

That is all.

[wagner]

i am not saying that they will be stars........I am saying that they will be chosen in LOTTERY :cool:

[hardeji]

I'll bet the bulls wish they'd have gone with Battier instead of the 2 benchwarmers.

Yeah, I can't imagine that someone'll take a chance on another high school crybaby with the talent that'll be on the board.

Go Collision.

[wagner]

damn i forgot some guys....who will probobly be in the lottery...like Ricky Paulding , Jason Fraser , Jarvis Hayes and even Chris Thomas could be in the lottery.;)

[wagner]

my new and improved;) mock is :

1) (Denver) LeBron James (the actual first pick)
2) (Phoenix*) Chris Duhorn ( Phoenix.....?!?!?!?)
3) (Golden State) Kendrick Perkins (They need a big man)
4) (Wizards) Carmelo Anthony (Wizards get the actual prize)
5) (Seattle) Chris Bosh (Seattle hopes that he will turn into Lewis)
6) (Chicago) Charlie Villanueva (....why...?....because it is Krause)
7) (New York) James White (Second year that the NYK get lucky)
8) (Denver*) Chris Thomas (Kiki wants a unselfish PG with LeBron)
9) (Toronto) Nick Collison (If he is still on the board....hes gone)
10) (Utah) Kirk Hinrich (Utah likes white PGs)
11) (Miami) Luke Rindour (Miami needs a floor general)
12) (Detroit*) Dwayne Wade (2'nd comeing on Stack ?!?!)
13) (Atlanta*) TJ Ford (they won't be happy with Dicau)

[wagner]

what do u think......will Felton or McCants be in the draft ??

[tuus]

well...wagner. how one estonian boy is so familiar with US college & high school players??

[gr8-1]

They are NOWHERE near ready. After Kwame, Tyson, and Eddy, don't expect HS players or early entries to be picked lottery (exception Lebron)

Amare Stoudamire went lotto, and I'm willing to bet Perkins will as well. It's all about potential. Most lotto teams are on long, seemingly eternal rebuilding plans anyway.

[tozai]

Stoudemire was way more ready than Perkins ever will be.

Ask anyone who knows. Perkins is not anywhere close. If someone is stupid enough to draft Perkins as a lottery pick, then they should fire that GM.

Now, Duhon as the #2 is even more laughable. Give me a break, Ridnour, Chris Thomas and TJ are way, way better than him. He's not even as good as Frank Williams and where did he get drafted? Of course next year's draft is extremely weak.

Bosh is not lottery.

It's also sad to see you putting McCants, Felton, Fraser, Anthony, and Villanueva as possible picks. This getting ridiculous to think every blue-chip HS player should leave after his freshman year of college. Gerald Wallace was lucky. Alton Ford was lucky. Don't expect this to keep on happening with all the love for Euros...

I could see TJ as lottery, but I don't know about Rid. Definitely 1st round material, but we'll see. Dwayne Wade is a baller, so maybe...
I think Chris Thomas is the best PG in the nation next year. Yep, better than TJ AND I go to UT...

Ricky Paulding is better than Haislip, so he could be lotto

Your new and improved mock still sucks, but I can't wait till the season starts, so revise it...

[DoitDickau]

Originally posted by tozai
Stoudemire was way more ready than Perkins ever will be.

Ask anyone who knows. Perkins is not anywhere close. If someone is stupid enough to draft Perkins as a lottery pick, then they should fire that GM.

Perkins will go, at least, in the first round if he declares next year. He was dissapointing this past year in hs and the camps, but you can't deny the talent is there. But even as disappointing as he was, he is 5x more ready right now then diop was, and diop was picked in the top 8. If he shows improvement this next year, he'll be a lotto pick, and there won't be just one gm that will be willing to pick him also. Look for him to declare and look for him to go fairly early in the draft depending on what kind of shape he gets himself into.

Originally posted by tozai
Now, Duhon as the #2 is even more laughable. Give me a break, Ridnour, Chris Thomas and TJ are way, way better than him. He's not even as good as Frank Williams and where did he get drafted? Of course next year's draft is extremely weak.

Duhon is a better nba prospect right now then thomas, ford and ridnour hands down. period. all of them are nice point guard, and if they play their cards right, can all be first round picks whenever they decide to come out. I love the way that ford plays but face it, he already has one strike against him because of his size. here's a question: who was the last sub 6 foot to be taken in the lotto and not be a bust? The only one i can think of is damon stouremire and a case could be made that he was a bust. And 14% shooting from the college 3pt line doesn't exactly help ford's case. TJ is already a great college player and has the potential to be a good nba pt guard, but he has a lot to work on and i won't expect him in the lottery any time soon. Thomas' size also works against him. While bigger than ford, a 6' 165lb guard will have a tough time in the league. duhon doesn't have the size problems that ford and thomas have, he's also older and more experienced. While splitting time at off guard and pt guard this past year he had as many assists as thomas and a better as/to ratio than ford. Look for duke to put the ball in his hands full time this year and for him to explode.


Originally posted by tozai
Bosh is not lottery.

Bosh is terrible weak. So are most good high school bigman though. obviously he need to get stronger, but that will come with time. He'll be the man at georgia tech, and in one of two years could very well be contending for the lottery.

Originally posted by tozai
It's also sad to see you putting McCants, Felton, Fraser, Anthony, and Villanueva as possible picks. This getting ridiculous to think every blue-chip HS player should leave after his freshman year of college. Gerald Wallace was lucky. Alton Ford was lucky. Don't expect this to keep on happening with all the love for Euros...

It seems that that phoenix and sacramento, rather than gerald wallace and alton ford, were the lucky one. Ford was tearing it up in the summer leagues and calangelo recently remarked that ford was one of their building blocks, and he'll even get a look for the starting spot this year. Sacramento also sounds pretty happy with wallace. Considering where they drafted them, they should be happy they got steals.

With such a weak draft coming up, i wouldn't be surprised to see breakout freshmen entering the draft. Also foreigners don't look to be quite as strong as they were this year, but who knows, they have a tendency to just pop up on ya.

All in all, for being a year early, wagner's mock draft is pretty good

[wagner]

TY for supporting DoitDickau ....:D

[wagner]

well...wagner. how one estonian boy is so familiar with US college & high school players??

tuus I just like college BB too...and HS too;) ;)

[wagner]

I was doing the mock...on teams needs.....but ehen just players rankings it will be :

1) LeBron James
2) Carmelo Anthony
3) James White
4) Chris Duhorn
5) Nick Collison
6) Chris Thomas
7) Luke Rindour
8)TJ Ford
9) Kirk Hinrich
10) Rickey Paulding
11) Emeka Okafor
12) Chris Bosh
13) Charlie Villanueva

[tozai]

Originally posted by DoitDickau


Perkins will go...

Duhon is a better nba prospect ...

Bosh is terrible weak...

It seems that that phoenix and sacramento...

With such a weak draft coming up, i wouldn't be surprised to see breakout freshmen entering the draft...

All in all, for being a year early, wagner's mock draft is pretty good

I didn't deny Perkins being a 1st rounder, but Lotto sounds pretty ridiculous coming out of last season. We'll see if he improves, but as of now it's pretty laughable. Yeah, he further than Diop, but that draft was the one where people went crazy on HSers and learned their lessons. (See what happened to DeAngelo Collins & Lenny Cooke)

This is Duhon's time to prove himself. As of now though, I think he's vastly overrated. His defense is not all that hype, and his offense isn't much to balk about. His passing skills have yet to be displayed to full extent. With Jay gone, he'll have his chance, but I'm nost sold on him. Thomas was pretty damn good for a freshman. I'd hope he'd stay 3 years and could turn out pretty solid. He can score all around plus he has great handles and vision. TJ sucked at shooting last year, but he knows it and has been working on it. He is small, but he'll bulk up and is very athletic. 40" vertical, etc. Duhon is only 6'2, right? That's not much taller than Thomas. Also Duhon could be a lotto pick b/c next year's draft sucks, but #2 is still laughable to me. Period.

I said Bosh is not lotto in 2003 draft, not ever...

I'm saying they were lucky to be drafted. They should both turn out good, but for every one of these hyped up HSers who leave after their freshman year and get drafed, there are a bunch that will not be ready and not e drafed

Yes, next year's draft is going to be a very, very bad one.

[tozai]

Originally posted by wagner
I was doing the mock...on teams needs.....but ehen just players rankings it will be :

1) LeBron James
2) Carmelo Anthony
3) James White
4) Chris Duhorn
5) Nick Collison
6) Chris Thomas
7) Luke Rindour
8)TJ Ford
9) Kirk Hinrich
10) Rickey Paulding
11) Emeka Okafor
12) Chris Bosh
13) Charlie Villanueva

MUCH, much better...

[wagner]

TY tozai :D :D

[wagner]

rhat time I did a PLAYER RANKING mock...but at first I did my version of LOTTO TEAMS...and their CHOISE..... :cool:

[wagner]

that time*

[wagner]

but does anyone know something about Darius Washington ???????:)

[JamesC]

Originally posted by tozai


I didn't expect Curry, CHandler or Kwame to produce instantly. The point is, unless the kid looks like a stud(Lebron) people aren't going to be so likely to waste lottery picks. Kendrick Perkins is nowhere even CLOSE to ready. I'm sure you've never even seen this kid play. You probably went to NBAdraft.net and are one of those pathetic kids who jock hyped up players without even seeing them. Recite by memory all your favorite recruiting analyst's thoughts, because you don't know what you're talking about.
Do you even live in Houston?
You probably couldn't even tell me what team Perkins went to without looking it up? Do you know who he played in the 4A championship? Do you know what happened to him? What about at the Academy tournament? You don't know a thing, so stop talking ignorantly. You're making a fool of yourself talking so matter-of-factly that Perkins is a Lotto pick. Maybe he will be, but it would have to be an awfully dumb GM to do so.

The only way that Bosh or Perkins would be lottery is because next year's draft is ridiculously weak.

I would bet you that Bosh & Perkins won't be lottery, but how would I?

I agree with you Tozai. Like I posted earlier I was at the academy tourmanent and I was not impressed with Perkins at all. He's got all the physical tools to be successfull, but at this moment he's nowhere near ready to set foot near an NBA court

[wagner]

was DeSagana Diop any ready ?!?!??!?!?!:p

[tozai]

Originally posted by wagner
was DeSagana Diop any ready ?!?!??!?!?!:p

No, but people have learned their lesson. That was the HS draft-happy mode, now we're in Euro-hapy mode.

Next year's draft is going to be ridiculously weak after #1 pick...

[carmelo]

not redicoulusly weak.....there r some good players too.....but their positsions are weak.:(

[wagner]

:D LOL:D

[wagner]

WHAT...?!?!??!?!


rediccolously weak ?!??!?!?!??!

NO....


what about.....Nick Collison , Carmelo Anthony , Emeka Okafor , Kirk Hinrich , TJ Ford aso......:rolleyes:

[tozai]

Yes, even with those players it still is ridiculously weak. Compare it to the last few year's drafts and it's still pretty bad. The lotto is weak if someone like Duhon can be #2. Besides that, look at the draft from top to bottom, it's just not that great.

Collison is a good college player, but I don't know if he'd even be better than Raef

Emeka could be good

TJ could be good, but he is very undersized and needs to prove he can score

Hinrich is good in college, but nothing shows he wouldn't be better than 3rd string in the L

Carmelo hasn't showed me anything other than HS hype, so we'll see about him in Syracuse...

[wagner]

A-O.K......:p

[wagner]

Carmelo hasn't showed me anything other than HS hype, so we'll see about him in Syracuse...

yes.......we WILL see...;)

[o0|mcCants|0o]

but..........McCants........will be in 1st round....;)