Astros should make a trade

[rezdawg]

What do you guys think about a trade for Scott Rolen. Rolen wants out of Philly and the fans there want him out too. He would be a great addition to our team. Our offense has been stagnant this year and he could definitely give us a boost. Maybe we could trade some prospects to get this guy. What do you think?

[red]

i thought about this the other day. i dont know what it would take to land him. do you know what his contract is/how long. i dont see why the astros would make a trade for him in a year that it doesnt look like we will be contending and then lose him the following year when his contract runs out, even though i still hope we go on a monster run.

[MadMax]

if i were hunsicker and mclane, i wouldn't add any payroll at all until i know if there's going to be a work stoppage.....everything could be drastically different at the end of that strike.

[BobFinn*]

No way!!!

Rolen is in the final year of his contract. He wants mega-$$$, which is why the Phillies are trying to trade him (they can't afford him) There are only a handful of teams that can (or will) pay $100+ million for any player, much less Scott Rolen. The Astros are not one of these teams.

[Oski2005]

We need to find a starting third baseman for next year. Rolen is good, but he's expensive and he isn't even doing well at the plate this year. One thing he can definately do is play gold glove defense, but it's not worth what he wants. It's a shame we have such a "poor" owner because with our "salary cap," we'll never win a world series. We have to develope someone in the minors because there aren't a whole bunch of good starting 3rd basemen out there. It would be nice if they gave Jason Lane more chances in the majors. He's getting old, pretty soon he'll become a minor league legend. It's gotten to the point where I don't think this team is going anywhere with Biggio and Bagwell.

[Major]

I wouldn't trade for rent-a-player until we know if this team can get back into it. We've gone from 10 back to 6 1/2 in a week. If we can get to 4-5 by the break (another week), then maybe management looks at some trades closer to the deadline. Preferably, though, trades for players who are under contract for a couple of years.

[Groogrux]

How about trading Hernandez?

[Behad]

Originally posted by Rocketman95
How about trading Hernandez?

What happened tonight? I see he only pitched 1.1 (very inneffective) innings. Was it injury (the sore shoulder) or just a mighty quick hook by Jimy?

[Groogrux]

No quick hook...the bases were loaded (I believe) when they pulled him out after having given up 3 runs.

Send him to the minors.

[Puedlfor]

Rolen is in the final year of his contract. He wants mega-$$$, which is why the Phillies are trying to trade him (they can't afford him) There are only a handful of teams that can (or will) pay $100+ million for any player, much less Scott Rolen. The Astros are not one of these teams.

Actually, the Phillies can afford him, but Rolen turned down their big offer because he didn't feel the organization had a commitment to winning. Since then, the Phillies management and Local press has engaged in trashing Mr. Rolen quite vociferously, and it has affected his play on the field - and he won't recover till he's out of Philly.

If the Astros would be willing to make a big money, long-term commitment to him - we should make a deal for him.

[Buck Turgidson]

Originally posted by Rocketman95
Send him to the minors.
How about the DL? He's been complaining of a sore shoulder for a week or so; hopefully his upcoming MRI doesn't reveal anything that rest won't cure...sit him out the remainder of the season if that's what it takes.

[ESource]

Originally posted by Rocketman95
How about trading Hernandez?
WHAT?! Give up on a 22 y.o., power-pitching, lefty?! Can I have have some of the good stuff you're smoking? :D

[Groogrux]

No, I really don't think that. I may not know much about baseball, but I do know not to trade him. Mere frustration.

[EddieWasSnubbed]

Send Saarlooser down and bring up Rosario. Seriously, Saarloos doesn't have a quick enough fastball, or good enough offspeed stuff to make it in the majors.

[rezdawg]

We should have traded Saarloos when we had the chance. Based on his minor league numbers, teams would have given up a lot to get him. Now, after his tiny stint in the majors, its obvious he is no where near to being ready. Thats a shame.

[Major]

We should have traded Saarloos when we had the chance. Based on his minor league numbers, teams would have given up a lot to get him. Now, after his tiny stint in the majors, its obvious he is no where near to being ready. Thats a shame.

Saarloos had 10 starts of minor league experience in his entire career. He played college baseball in 2001. He was nowhere near ready and everyone in the Astros organization knew that. The idea was that his numbers were so ridiculous that maybe he'd prove them wrong, so they gave him a shot. Nothing to lose there, really.

Most pitchers don't get to the big leagues for 3-4 years. He made it in under a year. Mark Prior was the same way, but he was considered the most advanced college pitcher *ever* by many scouts. I think it's a bit early to give up on him in the long-run. Plenty of junkballers can be successful in MLB -- especially when mixed with a staff of power pitchers. The player he is often compared to is Jamie Moyer, who's doing OK for himself in Seattle.

He probably won't ever be a #1 type starter, but he could very well be a quality #3 or #4 starter.

[ESource]

Originally posted by EddieWasSnubbed
Send Saarlooser down and bring up Rosario. Seriously, Saarloos doesn't have a quick enough fastball, or good enough offspeed stuff to make it in the majors.
Granted, he doesn't have the fastball we would like, BUT I still think he could develop into a capable 4th or 5th starter. And if he couldn't be a starter, I think he'd make one hell of a middle reliever(and a cheap one too). That would make Uncle Drayton sooooooo happy..... :(

[ESource]

Originally posted by Rocketman95
No, I really don't think that. I may not know much about baseball, but I do know not to trade him. Mere frustration.
I can understand that.....Hell I'm still waiting for Redding to consistently "bring it". His stuff is probably better than Oswalt or Miller. Too bad his mental make-up IS NOT quite there yet.....will have patience though; he's still a kid.

[Cold Hard]

I feel that at this point, Saarloos simply isn't ready for the majors (especially considering his brief minor league career). Clearly he needs more seasoning in the minors. Like Major said it's too early to give up on him.

And I would not mind seeing Rolen in an Astros uniform.

[don grahamleone]

I agree. The 'stros could use a shaking up. Some kind of trade that will help us make a run at October ball. Maybe a solid hitter. Someone that can play in the 5/6 slot.

[Timing]

Trade Wagner!!!!!! Let's get some prospects baby.

[TedRuxpin]

Remember the Randy Johnson trade and who we gave up for him>? hahahahah

[rezdawg]

Originally posted by TedRuxpin
Remember the Randy Johnson trade and who we gave up for him>? hahahahah

2 good things could have come out of that:

1) We win it all - Thats an obvious plus
2) We resign him. Too bad our owner is a cheap punk.

Since we did not resign him and he went elsewhere, the trade looks horrible in retrospect. Had we resigned him, we would be much more dominant.

[Trader_Jorge]

The starting rotation is looking horrible right now. We will need to score 8 runs per game like we did today to have any chance of winning. Right now our rotation is Oswalt, Miller, Redding, Nelson Cruz, and Peter Munro. How bad is that?!?!?! Will we catch the Cardinals with that starting 5? Mlicki is due back soon, and hopefully Carlos Hernandez isn't out too long. Nelson Cruz is an average long-relief guy, and Redding and Munro belong in New Orleans playing AAA ball. Atleast Kirk Saarloos' 17.00 ERA isn't on the club anymore.

What we need to trade for is a veteran pitcher. Daryle Ward may make decent trade bait, but I'd prefer to trade him when his stock is a little more valuable than it is right now.

[Groogrux]

Randy Johnson wasn't going to sign anywhere except Arizona. To think otherwise shows you're a moron.

[rezdawg]

Originally posted by Rocketman95
Randy Johnson wasn't going to sign anywhere except Arizona. To think otherwise shows you're a moron.


Thats quite an attitude you have there. The funny thing is that you are wrong.

[hoopgod13]

Originally posted by rezdawg
Thats quite an attitude you have there. The funny thing is that you are wrong.

Do u know personally that there was a chance Randy would resign with us? I don't.

The guy lived in Arizona for crying out loud. He was always bitching about being too far away from his family...

Freddy Garcia would be looking good in a 'Stros uni right about now...

[rezdawg]

Actually, when it was time to resign Johnson, the Astros said that they wouldnt. You dont think a 65-70 million dollar contract over 5 years would have done the trick?

Its all about the money and if you havent figured that out by now then you are lost.

[hoopgod13]

Originally posted by rezdawg
Actually, when it was time to resign Johnson, the Astros said that they wouldnt. You dont think a 65-70 million dollar contract over 5 years would have done the trick?

Its all about the money and if you havent figured that out by now then you are lost.

Uhh...wrong.

Stros offered him 3 years, 33 mill...Johnson said he wanted to stay close to home. Angels, Rangers, Dodgers all offered 12 mill a year.

Tru, Dbacks won the sweepstakes with like 13 mill (?).... but I think it's a moot point when it comes to family.

[rezdawg]

Originally posted by hoopgod13


Uhh...wrong.

Stros offered him 3 years, 33 mill


Is that the 70 Million I was saying. NO!

Money makes the world go round. Is Bagwell playing in Boston? Is Horry, van exel, or Mcdyess playing in Houston? How many players do you know that actually play for their home team? If the money is there, they take it. Plain and simple. You cant argue this point. Had we offered 15 a year, he would have stayed. But we didnt and he left.

[Puedlfor]

rezdawg is right, after all, its not like Randy told the Seattle front office that he was going to sign with Arizona as a free agent or something like that . . . .

Oh wait, he did.

[Buck Turgidson]

Originally posted by rezdawg
If the money is there, they take it. Plain and simple. You cant argue this point. Had we offered 15 a year, he would have stayed. But we didnt and he left.
Uhhh...you mean like Caminiti took less $$$ to come back to Houston instead of going to Detroit? Or maybe when Biggio turned down a higher offer from the Rockies to stay in Houston? Or when Tony Gwynn repeatedly turned down higher offers to re-sign in San Diego?

It was understood from the moment we made the trade that the Unit was leaving after the season. He knew it & the 'Stros front office knew it. He & his wife did not want to live in Houston, they made it quite clear that they wanted to be in Arizona.

[rezdawg]

Originally posted by Buck Turgidson

Uhhh...you mean like Caminiti took less $$$ to come back to Houston instead of going to Detroit? Or maybe when Biggio turned down a higher offer from the Rockies to stay in Houston? Or when Tony Gwynn repeatedly turned down higher offers to re-sign in San Diego?


Its different when a player has played multiple seasons for a team. Had Biggio started out with the Braves, he would have resigned with the braves.

[rezdawg]

Also, when did Biggio turn down higher offers? Houston offered him the most.

[Oski2005]

It looks like Florida is heading into fire sale mode with the possible trade of Floyd and Dempster, maybe we should make a play for Mike Lowell. He's hitting very well and we could definately use his bat. Also, his defense at 3rd is 2nd only to Scott Rolen, not to mention he will be way cheaper and is under contract through next year. Also, consider how his being in the lineup will help Berkman and Bagwell as he will provide more protection than Hidalgo has. This team has been hot lately and Lowell would be more fuel for the fire.

[rezdawg]

I would love to make a push for lowell. I really want the astros to make some kind of a trade to help us make a run towards the playoffs.

[junglerules]

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What do y'all think about the stros getting hampton back? Not sure what it would take, but the rockies may be looking to unload neagle and hampton. Hampton, like Kile, would probably thrive again outside of that thin air. Besides, i think it's obvious that our young starting rotation is still at least a year or two away of developing the mental make up and experience it needs to thrive.