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wrath_of_khan
03-26-2002, 12:13 PM
I'm as annoyed at the anti-Houston ESPN/SI/East Coast media bias as the other guy, but it's hard to argue with this (although I would argue that Phi Slamma Jamma lost to good teams twice and only choked once in the Final Four):

http://msn.espn.go.com/page2/s/list/chokers.html

Worst choke artists of all-time
Page 2 staff


Every year around NCAA Tournament time, it seems folks start talking about "choking."

Roy Williams' Kansas team avoid a gag this year to reach the Final Four, but Bob Huggins' Cincinnati squad wasn't quite as fortunate.

All this got Page 2 to thinking about the 10 worst choke artists in recent sports history. We've compiled our list of the 10 worst offenders, and we want to here your choice. Click here to identify your choice for the top choke artist. Later this week, we'll run our readers' top 10, along with a poll to determine who's most in need of the Heimlich.


1. Greg Norman
For a few years during the mid-1990s, the Great White Shark was considered the best golfer in the world ... yet he constantly fell apart during majors. His most egregious choke job came in the 1996 Masters, when Norman entered the final day with a six-stroke lead over Nick Faldo. The Shark gagged by shooting a 78, while Faldo shot a 67 to win the green jacket by five strokes.

2. California Angels
In 1982, with a 2-0 lead in the best-of-5 AL Championship Series against the Milwaukee Brewers, the Halos lost three straight in Milwaukee and were eliminated. In 1986, up 3-1 in the ALCS and a single pitch from their first World Series appearance, ace reliever Donny Moore gave up a two-strike, two-out homer to the Dave Henderson of the Red Sox, who went on to run out the series (and suffer their own humiliating choke to the Mets in the World Series, though that's another story). In 1995, holding a 13-game lead over the Mariners in August, the Angels managed to blow the lead and the division title.


3. University of Houston men's basketball
With Akeem Olajuwon and Clyde Drexler leading the way, Houston's "Phi Slamma Jamma" squads made three straight Final Fours in 1982-84 -- not surprising, since they featured two of the Top 50 NBA players of all-time -- but the Cougars never won a title. The absolute nadir was losing to the severely outmanned North Carolina State team of Jim Valvano in 1983, probably the biggest final game upset ever.


4. Minnesota Vikings
The Purple People-Eaters were 0-4 in Super Bowl games, including at least two where they probably had the superior team. But the worst chokes for the Vikes were a couple of times they failed to reach the Super Bowl: In 1998, when they were 15-1 but lost the NFC title game to the Falcons, and in 2000, when they lost the NFC title game to the underdog New York Giants by an embarrassing score of 41-0.

5. 1994 Seattle SuperSonics
The Sonics had the NBA's best record (63-19), but managed to become the first No. 1 seed ever to lose to a No. 8 seed when they blew a 2-0 lead in games in a best-of-5 series against the Denver Nuggets, a team with a 42-40 regular-season record that had lost the first two games of the series by an average of 17 points.

6. Michelle Kwan
Though she has been generally considered to be the world's best figure-skater for the past five years, Kwan was twice upset by American teenagers in the Olympic Games -- first by Tara Lipinski in 1998 and then by Sarah Hughes earlier this year. In both cases, she was obviously tight and failed to skate anywhere near her best, failing to win even though the judges were clearly dying to give the four-time world champion the gold.

7. 1951 Brooklyn Dodgers
Baseball's most famous collapse. The Dodgers had a 13-game lead over their local archrivals, the New York Giants, late in August. The Giants managed to pull into a tie at the end of the regular season, then captured a best-of-3 playoff series on Bobby Thompson's ninth-inning three-run jack off Ralph Branca, "The Shot Heard 'Round the World."


8. 1992-93 Houston Oilers
Up 35-3 at halftime against the Buffalo Bills in an AFC wild-card game, the Oilers managed to turn backup Bills quarterback Frank Reich into a one-day folk hero by losing 41-38 in OT, the biggest in-game turnaround in NFL history. This was particularly painful, since the Oilers never made the Super Bowl during their years in Houston.

9. Boston Red Sox
Does the name "Bill Buckner" mean anything to you? How about the name "Bucky Dent"? How about no World Series titles since 1918? We rest our case.

10. 1975 Pittsburgh Penguins
One of only two teams in any of the four major professional sports to blow a 3-0 lead in a best-of-seven series, the Pens let the Islanders off the hook big-time in their 1975 NHL playoff series. (The other team was the 1942 Red Wings, and we weren't around to see that one.)

Joe Joe
03-26-2002, 12:28 PM
Where's the Jazz? Oh wait.....I got them confused with a team that was good enough to choke.

moestavern19
03-26-2002, 01:01 PM
Seriously, I wanna know how some of you guys felt when Frank Reich comes in and wins the game for the Bills after you were up 35-3. That must have felt like a kick in the gut.

Buck Turgidson
03-26-2002, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by moestavern19
Seriously, I wanna know how some of you guys felt when Frank Reich comes in and wins the game for the Bills after you were up 35-3. That must have felt like a kick in the gut.

Absolutely f**king horrible. Thought I was gonna puke. I'm over it though.

GO TEXANS!!!

Behad
03-26-2002, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by moestavern19
Seriously, I wanna know how some of you guys felt when Frank Reich comes in and wins the game for the Bills after you were up 35-3. That must have felt like a kick in the gut.

I was numb...absolutely numb. The sad part was that I was sooo numb, I couldn't move. I sat and watched every last second of it.

Joe Joe
03-26-2002, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by moestavern19
Seriously, I wanna know how some of you guys felt when Frank Reich comes in and wins the game for the Bills after you were up 35-3. That must have felt like a kick in the gut.

How bout them Rockets.

wrath_of_khan
03-26-2002, 01:50 PM
The Buffalo thing felt horrible. I've told the story on this board before that I was in Alaska visiting relatives watching the game. My uncle delighted in reminding me during the comeback that the Oilers always choke -- basically pouring salt on my wound for 2 hours. We were supposed to go ice fishing after the game, and I sat in the driveway in single digit weather afterwards, checking to see if it was going to be too cold for me to ice fish, but also because I felt like I needed to punish myself physically after the choke job.

Hey, i didn't mean to drudge up the bad memories by posting the article. Can't we just turn this thread into an ESPN/anti-Houston bias thing instead? ;)

Like I said, UH didn't choke three times -- just once.

Damn ESPN.

Ottomaton
03-26-2002, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by moestavern19
Seriously, I wanna know how some of you guys felt when Frank Reich comes in and wins the game for the Bills after you were up 35-3. That must have felt like a kick in the gut.

After (I'd guess) about halfway through the third quarter, it sort of began to be a little bit sureal and was almost comical. It was like watching a Sylvester & Tweety cartoon. You know, no matter how bad it looks for Tweety, that in just a second something really bad is going to happen to Sylvester.

By the middle of the fourth quarter, I was laughing. It was, at least, much quicker than the 3 or 4 previous years of torture where the team had so much talent that you really believed in them, only to have them slowly die off during the season.

Ottomaton
03-26-2002, 02:24 PM
I think, BTW, that these Bristol, CT maple syrup drinking ESPN people are trying to lessen their own pain. At least in New England, the whole Bill Buckner '86 fiasco is perminantly embeded in the minds of everyone, be they Yankee, Red Sox, or Mets fans. I don't see how they ranked the Sox so low.

PhiSlammaJamma
03-26-2002, 02:37 PM
Get this, I was in Buffalo. They blacked out the game becasue it wasn't a sell out. I had to listen to it on radio surrounded by Buffalo fans. Imagine listening to those field goal attempts on the radio. What a nightmare. What humiliation. However, I do believe the WR stepped out of bounds on the TD. They never should have won. Redemption came in Adelphi Stadium a few years later. Now that was sweet.

Why weren't the Bills on the list? It doesn't get any more pathethic than that.

outlaw
03-26-2002, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by PhiSlammaJamma

Why weren't the Bills on the list? It doesn't get any more pathethic than that.

Especially the Scott Norwood missed FG

moestavern19
03-26-2002, 03:15 PM
Buffalo should have been there, They lost 4 straight Super Bowls.

1980 Russia Hockey team?
1998 Vikings?
Brian Bosworth?

Buck Turgidson
03-26-2002, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by PhiSlammaJamma
Redemption came in Adelphi Stadium a few years later. Now that was sweet.

Give me a friggin break. Redemption for who? Bud Adams?

outlaw
03-26-2002, 03:52 PM
3. University of Houston men's basketball
With Akeem Olajuwon and Clyde Drexler leading the way, Houston's "Phi Slamma Jamma" squads made three straight Final Fours in 1982-84

Clyde was already in the NBA when the Cougars lost to Georgetown.

kidrock8
03-26-2002, 05:25 PM
Tuck the Fitans.

Roc Paint
03-26-2002, 05:41 PM
1. O.J.
2. Bobby Night
3. Latrell Sprewell
Go Coogs!!

Old School
03-27-2002, 02:20 AM
Two top 10 finishes??!!!

It's about time we got the recognition we deserved!!!

Oh...wait...

MadMax
03-27-2002, 03:17 PM
The Buffalo game was awful!!!

I remember distinctly being disappointed that Kelly got hurt and Reich had to come in...my thought was, certainly Kelly can't get the job done...Reich probably can't either, but he's sort of an X factor at that point.

The prevent defense makes every opponent look like champs!!!

What an unbelievable game...someone else decribed it as surreal...that's EXACTLY how I would describe it, too.

Jeff
03-27-2002, 07:31 PM
What really bugs the holy crap out of me on this one is that this is one of the major reasons Guy Lewis is still on the outside of the Hall of Fame. To this day, he gets snubbed because of the perception that his teams choked. He was one of the greatest college coaches ever and built that UH program from nothing to national championship contention on a yearly basis.

junglerules
03-27-2002, 09:16 PM
I felt redemption via the "music city miracle." Hell, i've said it before, i'll say it again. I will love the texans, but the titans are still my team. I honestly couldn't afford to go to any games as a kid, so what difference does it make now where they play? They are the team that i grew up with, and it isn't the team's fault that they moved, so i harbor no bitterness towards them. I obviously cared enough about them to go virtually MAD when they blew those playoff games to Denver, Buffalo, and KC, so I've decided that we've bottomed out, and it can't get any worse than that. Sure woulda been nice to win a Super Bowl, but just getting there was redemption for all of the Oilers teams of the past who couldn't win the big game.

It was pretty funny that so many ex-Oilers fans disowned them until they were in the super bowl, but it's ok. I'll have a hard time pulling for the texans over the titans until MAYBE players like kearse, rolle, eddie george, and mcnair are gone.

Old School
03-28-2002, 12:05 AM
Add UH's womens team to that list. They choked big time vs Oregon tonight for the NIT championship.


os

outlaw
03-28-2002, 04:03 AM
Originally posted by Old School
Add UH's womens team to that list. They choked big time vs Oregon tonight for the NIT championship.


os

kinda ironic that Oregon plays in a building called The Pit.

Chandi Jones would look really nice in a Comet uniform in 2 years.

MadMax
03-28-2002, 08:19 AM
Originally posted by junglerules
I felt redemption via the "music city miracle." Hell, i've said it before, i'll say it again. I will love the texans, but the titans are still my team. I honestly couldn't afford to go to any games as a kid, so what difference does it make now where they play? They are the team that i grew up with, and it isn't the team's fault that they moved, so i harbor no bitterness towards them. I obviously cared enough about them to go virtually MAD when they blew those playoff games to Denver, Buffalo, and KC, so I've decided that we've bottomed out, and it can't get any worse than that. Sure woulda been nice to win a Super Bowl, but just getting there was redemption for all of the Oilers teams of the past who couldn't win the big game.

It was pretty funny that so many ex-Oilers fans disowned them until they were in the super bowl, but it's ok. I'll have a hard time pulling for the texans over the titans until MAYBE players like kearse, rolle, eddie george, and mcnair are gone.

hard to root for two division rivals...every week's games count toward who wins the division, even when they're not playing each other.

DCkid
03-28-2002, 08:58 AM
They could've probably easily slipped the Astros in there too.

wrath_of_khan
03-28-2002, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by Jeff
What really bugs the holy crap out of me on this one is that this is one of the major reasons Guy Lewis is still on the outside of the Hall of Fame. To this day, he gets snubbed because of the perception that his teams choked. He was one of the greatest college coaches ever and built that UH program from nothing to national championship contention on a yearly basis.

Great, great point Jeff. The fact that Guy isn't in the HOF is a travesty.

Elvis Costello
03-28-2002, 10:20 PM
The Oilers are underacheivers even on the All-Time Chokers list! They Buffalo game was only the worst choke in a trifecta of gagging that would rival any Jenna Jameson movie. The playoff chokes to Denver (Haywood Jeffires, you will always suck) and Kansas City were nearly as bad. The Oilers of the '80's and '90's were the worst of the worst! The dumbest, most pathetic team ever...every stupid thing that could happen to a team happened to them. Suicide, coaches fighting each other in the middle of a game on national tv, babygate, the Stagger Lee, Jerry Glanville (generally), general manager Ladd Herzog *mooning* a wedding party in Buffalo, Jack Pardee wearing headphones that weren't turned on, Gifford Neilson, Oliver Luck, Commander Cody "magic fingers" Carlson, Ernest "Electric Ego" Givens (Calvin jr.), Ray "Help!" Childress, Warren "Family Man" Moon, Bud Adams and his hair...it was a mercy killing when they left! They were a baby blue nightmare that I was compelled to watch.

outlaw
03-28-2002, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by wrath_of_khan


Great, great point Jeff. The fact that Guy isn't in the HOF is a travesty.

maybe Coach Lewis will get in next year with Clyde Drexler.

How come coaches can get elected to the HOF while still coaching but players have to wait 5 years after retirement?

Gascon
03-29-2002, 03:33 PM
After Buffalo made it 35-17, I turned the game off in disgust because I knew in my heart what was about to happen. There was no bigger Oiler fan on the planet than I. I eventually turned the game back on towards the end of the third quarter, I guess because it was like watching a train wreck. But they did that all season long, didn't they? I believe that was the same season they lost to the Pats on a last second touchdown for their first loss of the season, (using that same prevent defense, by the way, thank you Jim Eddy) making them 3-1, and then Ian Howfield missing that damned field goal against the Redskins to make them 7-2. It was either that year or the year of the Denver embarrassment, I don't remember.....it's all like one, long agonizing cry of embittered astonishment to me now. The KC game broke my back in the end. I could carry the tattered Columbia Blue flag no longer.

BTW, does anyone remember how well our defense was playing in that Jets game that Buddy Ryan punched Kevin Gilbride? It was beautiful. I can still remember Ray Childress running through that offensive like like they weren't there. The Jets were disillusioned on that particular evening.

MadMax
03-29-2002, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by Gascon
After Buffalo made it 35-17, I turned the game off in disgust because I knew in my heart what was about to happen. There was no bigger Oiler fan on the planet than I. I eventually turned the game back on towards the end of the third quarter, I guess because it was like watching a train wreck. But they did that all season long, didn't they? I believe that was the same season they lost to the Pats on a last second touchdown for their first loss of the season, (using that same prevent defense, by the way, thank you Jim Eddy) making them 3-1, and then Ian Howfield missing that damned field goal against the Redskins to make them 7-2. It was either that year or the year of the Denver embarrassment, I don't remember.....it's all like one, long agonizing cry of embittered astonishment to me now. The KC game broke my back in the end. I could carry the tattered Columbia Blue flag no longer.

BTW, does anyone remember how well our defense was playing in that Jets game that Buddy Ryan punched Kevin Gilbride? It was beautiful. I can still remember Ray Childress running through that offensive like like they weren't there. The Jets were disillusioned on that particular evening.

I totally remember that Jets game...it was a Sunday night game, right??

you're right...the KC game was really tough...I still rooted for them, but there was the feeling that they would never, ever break through...the same feeling I got after the Astros season ended last season.

red
03-29-2002, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by junglerules
I felt redemption via the "music city miracle." Hell, i've said it before, i'll say it again. I will love the texans, but the titans are still my team. I honestly couldn't afford to go to any games as a kid, so what difference does it make now where they play? They are the team that i grew up with, and it isn't the team's fault that they moved, so i harbor no bitterness towards them. I obviously cared enough about them to go virtually MAD when they blew those playoff games to Denver, Buffalo, and KC, so I've decided that we've bottomed out, and it can't get any worse than that. Sure woulda been nice to win a Super Bowl, but just getting there was redemption for all of the Oilers teams of the past who couldn't win the big game.

It was pretty funny that so many ex-Oilers fans disowned them until they were in the super bowl, but it's ok. I'll have a hard time pulling for the texans over the titans until MAYBE players like kearse, rolle, eddie george, and mcnair are gone.

ditto