UT -A&M prediction contest, comments, etc. (official thread)

[Baqui99]

Okay, ya'll. We're two days away from the annual contest known as T+1. This is for the state bragging rights. The loser will be subject to taunts from friends, coworkers, and even spouses. The winner will bask in the glory that football represents in the great State of Texas.

Here's my prediction. Texas 45-, Ags 10

First QuarterThe Horns start the game off by handing the ball off to Cedric several times. We have a few good drives that end with a couple of field goal attempts by Mangum, who makes one of two. The Aggies go three and out repeatedly, and Farris is berated on the sidelines by OC Dino Babers. Score, Horns 3, Farmers 0.

Second QuarterSimms finds Roy with single coverage on a deep pattern. Touchdown Horns. Injury bug seriously hurts Ags, who cannot muster up any offense with Keith Joseph running the ball. They miss Farmer and Taylor, and Farris is under pressure from Derrick Johnson throughout the game.

[The Cat]

Texas 31
Farmers 10

I think it'll actually be closer than many think for a while. I'm as much a Horn fan as anyone, but A&M always scares me at home, especially after 1999. Yes, I know we're better than '99, and they had the bonfire emotion, but still, we should've handed it to them then as well. I think this might be something like a 10-3 Texas lead at the half, with the Aggie defense feeding off the emotion of the crowd. However, by the 3rd quarter, the emotion starts to wear off, and raw talent kicks in. A lot like the Aggies game against OU a couple of weeks ago. TAMU's one TD comes off a big play on special teams or defense.

BTW, Baqui, did you end up getting tickets? I just got a pair this week, finally... section 157.

[DrewP]

31-3 Texas. The only way the aggies get a fielgoal is if its late in the fourth quarter and Texas commits a turnover on their own 5 yard line. Three touchdowns for Simms, one for Benson and a FG for Dusty on the second drive of the game. Guys, the over/under is only 10 1/2 I beleive..... JUMP ALL OVER THAT BET IF YOU GET THE CHANCE.

This game should be dominated the entire way through. GO HORNS!

[RocketsPimp]

Even though I really don't care one way or the other, A&M 24-14.

[The Cat]

Originally posted by RocketsPimp
Even though I really don't care one way or the other, A&M 24-14.

I'll assume you haven't watched much college football this year, right? :p

[DrewP]

Originally posted by The Cat


I'll assume you haven't watched much college football this year, right? :p

Either that or hes stuck in 1995.

[Major]

A&M's offense is already bad, but to make things worse, their top receiver & running back are out with injury.

Texas' primary goal this game should be to hold A&M to 0 total yards. I wonder if that's ever been done before?

[kidrock8]

I don't care for either teams, so I'd consider myself to be somewhat objective...

UT-31
A&M-3

A&M will have to have their defense and special teams either setting them up for cheap TD's, or scoring themselves.

There is no way A&M's offense can score a TD on its own.

[DVauthrin]

im a longhorn ill admit but being objective this game wont be close

the ags dont have the talent to hang with long if at all, plus all their stupid trash talk in the media is very dumb considering theyre behind the 8 ball as is(the before the yr and brooks/davis this week) Simms will kill them and benson will kick butt, even on the aggies defense

I Dont care about the kyle field thing, it wont matter this year, they dont have the talent and they gave the better team way too much bulletin board material

UT 40 A&M 0

[DAROckets]

A&M-13 UT- 0

[JBIIRockets]

Texas 27
Texas A&M 19

[Kim]

Damn! All y'all longhorns predicted this same crap in 99 and this year for OU. Unfortunately, this time y'all are probably right. Don't get me wrong, I hope A&M wins, but y'all are right on the most part. The starters are injured and a bunch of freshmen are playing. The good thing is those are a bunch of my buddies out there. They'll be better next year though, and hopefully when they get a new coaching staff, they'll be great.

A&M has no offense, I know, I know. The coach is dumb, I know, I know. But y'all Longhorns are just so big headed. Hopefully, your team will smoke so much weed the night before that they won't be ready to play. If I was an ass, I'd just call your police the next time they toke up, which would be front page scadelous arrests...but I'm not an ass.

Int return for touchdown and a field goal is hopefully all the Ags need, unless Farris decides to throw the game.

Aggies 10 - Longtokers 7

[Puedlfor]

Texas - 42
Texas A&M - 6

This game will actually be close for a while. Texas A&M does have a halfway decent defense, but Texas will have a massive edge in time of possession, and the floodgates will come crashing open on a tired Aggie defense and the game will turn into a rout, and the chant of Pooooooooor Agggiiiiiiieeeesss, and the jingling of keys as the "best fans in football" leave early will ring through the through the countryside.

Go Horns.

[gr8-1]

The University 48
Gomer U 10

I don't know how a$m will score a td, maybe just blind luck or UT underestimatesa them.

The only interesting subplot in this game is whether MAack will call off the dogs like he did last year. I don't think UT threw a forward pass in the 4th. But, RC has been badmouthing Mack, so who knows. I think Mack has too much class.

Kim, do you think the HOrn playerss got the pot from Jamaar toombs?

BTW, I htink the over under of the game is 40. Take the over. UT averages 40 a game by themselves.

[Kim]

Kim, do you think the HOrn playerss got the pot from Jamaar toombs?

Maybe, maybe no...

but Toombs is a good guy; he's back finishing school. He's also not as big as people think...just tough.

I really got nothing against token up. It's not a bad thing; it's a good thing. Just none of y'all be so suprised if that stuff ever goes public. Them players get away with everything because they play football. If you're just a regular kid token up in the dorms, your out of there. I know several to whom that has happened. But if you're a football player, your administration just acts like it's not happening.

Ain't no shame in losing to UT. And even though I ain't a football fan, it is a good thing to know that the fans at my school are much better than the fans at yours. There's no arguing the fact that the Aggies are the best FANS around.

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

[gr8-1]

There's no arguing the fact that the Aggies are the best FANS around.

Except for that cadet that pulled the sabre on the SMU cheerleader.

[Band Geek Mobster]

Originally posted by gr8-1
Except for that cadet that pulled the sabre on the SMU cheerleader.

Sounds like a fanatic to me...

[DVauthrin]

is it the aggie theme to be especially dumb this yr??

Lets see 1st of all your players are talking smack to the clearly better team, real smart :rolleyes:

then the aggie fans are the best in the land, my a**

Have you ever bothered to go to a game at DKR, we longhorn fans are some of the most loyal dedicated fans in the nation(the major thing stemms from his success and they dont ever want mistakes from simms-the job stealer,in there minds-they want to win) and teams like michigan,nebraska etc are fabulous too

This game WILL NOT BE CLOSE, i dont care if its in kyle field, that adv left when your stupid players decided to run their big fat mouths throughout the yr about beating us, we are the better team by far and fri it will show

You may get 7 if youre lucky but yes your d is decent but well still put 40 or so on you, i stand by a 40-0 prediction, you motivated the better defense on the field, sorry wrecking crew, to go for the gusto and your offense sucks.

Enjoy the drubbing friday, and get some asprin ready, aggie fans, after watching this game youll have plenty of nightmares

[Kim]

"Dad, these fans suck. They're just like in New York."
-Chris Simms

"The crowd support is pathetic. Most of these students should lose their right to buy tickets."
-Rick Barnes (different sport, praphrased, but funny none-the-less, and this was printed in the Chronicle...I sent a letter bashing your coach and supporting your fans, but it wasn't printed)

Are they're a bunch of dumbass hicks at A&M? Yes.
But you're just flat out bull****ing if you think UT fans give more support. Comon man! I'm not some gung-ho Aggie talkin smack. I could care less. I'm a 2%. I'm worst than a 2%. And I have a bunch of friends on the team.

This is coming from an objective view. A&M fans never boo their own team. UT does. A&M fans STAND the ENTIRE game (except for when the opposing team's band plays). A&M fans gather at Kyle Field the night before to practice yells. A&M had bonfire.

Are some of these things over the top? Yes. Is it fanatical? Yes. I think my school has some of the craziest white freaks on this earth.

But from an objective viewpoint, there is no way UT fans are more dedicated than A&M fans. I'm not talkin smack. I'm just stating a fact.

Happy Thanksgiving

[RocketsPimp]

Originally posted by The Cat


I'll assume you haven't watched much college football this year, right? :p

That's right, but I do know UT is a powerhouse this year. I really don't know anything about A&M, but thought most of the games between UT and A&M are pretty heated battles. I just wanted to get you Longhorns all fired up. Even though I don't keep up with college football, I have a hunch this game will be alot closer than you guys think.

[Zac D]

Originally posted by RocketsPimp
Even though I don't keep up with college football, I have a hunch this game will be alot closer than you guys think.

God, I hope so. UT 24, A&M 13.

[VesceySux]

The Biased Part of Me Says:

UT- 78
Future Farmers of America - 0

The Unbiased, Objective Part of Me Says:

UT- 27
A&M- 13

SURVEY SAYS...!!! (final tally using averages of both):

UT- 52
A&M- 6

[Turbo]

Peter Vescey says:

A&M - 30
UT - 3

Looks like the Horns will prevail. :D

<i>-Turbo</i>

[gr8-1]

Check the attendance of the UT football and baseball and basketball teams versus the a$m football and baseball and basketball teams.

Barnes has also acknowledged the fact that the students get the shaft on basketball tickets and he tried to fix this problem himself.

[DVauthrin]

the aggies do have good fans but calling us longhorns not on that level, thats quite harsh and i think you are good fans as are we, but best in country i dont think so, nonetheless ill be completely shocked if this game stays close, because the talent discrepancy is huge.

[Kim]

The game is 11 hours away. I plan on watching it, but could be sleeping or shopping with my mom.

Check the attendance of the UT football and baseball and basketball teams versus the a$m football and baseball and basketball teams.

A&M has pretty good baseball fans, no hoops fans. There is a small faction of about 50 or so hoops fans that are the ruddest, no-holds-bars fans, kick-ass fanatics. They're called the Reed Rowdies. They are pretty damn funny. But other than that, there are no hoops fans. There are even less than none women's hoops fans. I love hoops. Every game I go to I get courtside 2nd row seats, so it's pretty cool.

So my only point is A&M has the most loyal football fans in the country . Again, this is an objective opinion. I think they're too crazy and stupid. I'm not even proud of that fact about my schoo. But it is a fact. Man, I've been here for 3 years now. So many people here eat football, sleep football, breath football...and they're not even on the team. When bonfire was around, thousands of students would dedicate on average 12 hours a week for months of hard labor FOR FREE all based on being fans and being Aggies.

I mean, this thing developed into a whole life of its own, but it all started because of a football game. I'm not saying UT fans suck (Chris Simms said that-he was pissed y'all were screaming "Maaajoooor); I'm just saying y'all are like pretty much every other University in football fan support. Tennesse, Nebraska, OU.

There are so many fanatics here and alumni that decorate there walls with football stuff...it's just that way.

The animosity is pretty ridiculus too. Too much hatred by dumbasses from both schools. Yes A&M has hicks, but there are a lot of normal people too. I know UT has a bunch of idiots too.

So back to the fan thing. My school has the best. No big deal for me. Y'all longhorns should stop arguing just because of your damn pride. It's not a big deal...I don't even care. It's just a fact.


As for the game...Gigem Aggies...I guess.
If I can't catch the game, can someone tell me how my boy Terrence Thomas does?

[Baqui99]

Okay, guys, finally get some time alone at my parents' house in Sugar Land tonight...I'll be departing for Bryan/CS tomorrow morning at around 7:30 - 8 AM with a buddy of mine. We scored tickets on the 40 yard line, 10th row, lower deck for $80 a pop.

Kim, yes the Aggies are crazy about football. They may have the best fans in college football, simply because there is absolutely nothing else to do or think about in that little piece of crap hick town called B/CS. :D

Horn fans kick ass too, but our alumns are mostly rich guys who like to tailgate, sit down during games, and leave early during blowout wins. Aggie fans (student and alumns alike) are known for coming out early, standing the whole game, and singing the war hymn at the end, win or lose.

Enjoy the galleryfurniture.com bowl, ags. I'll be celebrating the New Year in the Big Easy for the Sugar Bowl.

[Baqui99]

Oh, ya, one more thing....

POOOOOOOOR AGGIEEEEES!!!!!

[Kim]

After a long morning or waking up at 6am to go wait in lines with my mom, :( I am finally home to catch the game...

1st Half Observations

Now, I know the A&M offense sucks. I stated it up top. It's just a fact. I mean, UT has an awesome defense they say, but the Aggies haven't scored a TD in the last 2 games.

I also know that the A&M defense is pretty damn good. At home, there are at times awesome.

But no matter how awesome the Aggie D is, I thought UT was supposed to be as good or better on offense. What's the deal?

And what's up with injuring the punter so he can't punt or kick field goals?;) (the truth is he probaby would have missed that kick anyways)

Well, some of y'alls predictions are as I predicted way to biased and stupid so far. Maybe the longhorns will blow up in the 2nd. Whatever....But it'd we be nice to see y'all arrogant longhorn biatches to eat crow. :)

[Puedlfor]

Last year was close at halftime too . . .

[Major]

As it was in '99. Our OLine is having troubles and Simms is regressing. He has yet to learn to deal with pressure, and he's going to have to in the next 90 minutes...

[Puedlfor]

Kudos to the Aggie defense, I clearly underestimaed how long it would take for the Aggie defense to tire.

Good win.

Go Horns.

[DVauthrin]

well im here to give congrats to the aggies and say i severely underestimated you guys esp at kyle field and how you play us.

I didnt think your defense could keep you in it that long but they did and hats off to you. We both proved this is the best rivalry in college football and good luck in your bowl game.

[Kim]

Y'all know, this game pretty much went exactly as I planned it:

-UT's 3 touchdowns came on a blocked punt, a 30 something yard drive, and a 10 yard drive. Hey, at least they can score.

-A&M's TD came on a 30 something yard drive from good field position.

Hopefully, RC Scrotum will be outta here. Hopefully, Farris will go back to baseball. Hopefully, Reggie McNeal aka Michael Vick II will start as a true freshman under a coach who has balls and brains.

It was a good game: I sold a bunch of tickets to suckers who thought A&M would win; UT arrogant biotches can open up there eyes a little to see that they're not that good ;) (or A&M is not that bad...at least on D); and my buddy T-Thomas got to play the most he did all year. Too bad Farris throws worse than my mom and RC can't coach pop warner.

I guess I do have some Aggie pride, cause I'm a little pissed off that UT won....but, it's not a big deal.

Bring on the gloating.
Good luck on your bowl UT.

[Major]

That was an awesome game. A&M did exactly what they needed to do for 3 1/2 quarters -- just keep the game close and hope for the one big play you need to pull the upset. It just didn't work out, but the game was a lot more interesting and fun to watch than I had expected!

Doesn't make me real confident about facing a Florida in the BCS though.

[Elvis Costello]

The play selection in big games continues to be rather weak for the Horns. I don't know why they don't take advantage of their big and fast receiving corp by getting them the ball on the run. They relied way too much on the screen pass. Pretty awesome defense on both sides, though.

[Major]

<B>The play selection in big games continues to be rather weak for the Horns. I don't know why they don't take advantage of their big and fast receiving corp by getting them the ball on the run. </B>

I'm sure people don't want to hear this, but much of this falls on the QB. There were receivers running deep & cross routes, but the QB did three things:

(1) Early on, he threw behind or ahead of receivers. I don't know if he lost confidence in them after that or not, but later he...
(2) Took the short passes
(3) Looked only at Roy Williams

Didn't matter where the other receivers went, but the QB only looked at Roy and threw to him regardless of the coverage. Simms threw 32 passes -- I'd say more than half were intended for Roy Williams. To his credit, Williams caught like 9 or 10 of them, so they were doing something right, but those were mostly the short passes. That CB was awesome on the deeper coverage. Simms does this against pressure -- I don't know why, but he always has. It's like he's playing not to lose. (same problem as the Prevent Defense)

Fortunately, today our defense was spectacular.

[Puedlfor]

(1) Early on, he threw behind or ahead of receivers. I don't know if he lost confidence in them after that or not, but later he...
(2) Took the short passes

Two of those three things can be attributed to the strong wind in the stadium today.

[Kim]

Originally posted by shanna
Fortunately, today our defense was spectacular.

UT's D is good, but you should know that A&M scored 0 (zero) touchdowns against OU and Texas Tech. A&M also managed 1 offensive touchdownd agains Baylor. Baylor for crying out loud. If you see A&M score in double digits, most of it is directly related to some defensive play. A&M's offense sucks. There's no way around it. It sucks.

Honestly, I hope UT does well. But I agree that this doesn't boost my confidence in UT facing the Florida's of football.

[Baqui99]

Okay, arrived back at parents' house in Houston at about 6:15 PM. I've got some time now to go over today's events.

Recap: Left Sugar Land at 8:30 AM for Gomer Pyle Field. Got to my awesome seats about 15 minutes before game time, and they were spectacular: 45 yd line, 7 rows up (sect. 106). These seats were right behind the Aggie Sideline, and among the Aggie parents and families. Gomer fans were appalled to see a couple of young guys with these kinds of seats, and were really annoyed with how classless I was acting, and the taunts that I directed towards the Aggie bench, coaching staff, and fans.

Anyways, as for the game, as I expected, it started off VERY slow. Jeffery blocked the punt and ran it back early, and I thought it would be the first of many TD's on the afternoon. Turns out that the Aggie defense gets pumped as hell in Pyle Field. The crowd noise in that stadium is totally unreal. Non-stop for 4 quarters, the Gomer fans yell and scream at the top of their lungs when the visiting team is on offense. I think that the Faggies may have the one of the biggest home field advantages in the country simply because of how loud it gets. It is LOUD as hell.

The defense fed off the crowd's energy, and basically shut down the Horns' offense for 3 quarters. Both offenses struggled all day long, but in the end, good field position led to our to 4th quarter scores. Cedric finally turned it up a notch in the 4th quarter when the Aggies let up a bit. Pooooor Aggies. Big win in front of a hostile crowd for the Horns. Keith Joseph played a pretty good game for the Ags. Farris sucks. Christian Rodriguez is a good defender, and the as a unit, the Wrecking Crew did everything that they were asked. On the flipside, Simms had a very average day, but didn't commit any turnovers. Roy and BJ were subdued, and did not make any big plays. Quentin Jammer and Babers were phenomenal on coverage, shutting down the Ags, and Brooks and Vasher were hitting hard all game. Maurice Gordon and the rest of the front four manhandled the Aggies' o-line.

Pooooor Aggies. Enjoy the galleryfurniture.com bowl. I taste Sugar. Hook Em Horns.

[The Cat]

Couple of observations from the game today (I was in the end zone, which was practically all Horn fans):

1. The wind was extremely strong. After the game, when they handed out footballs from the galleryfurniture.com bowl (ironic huh?), the football literally blew out of my hand the wind was so strong. Texas' offense looked the worst in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, when they were going straight into the wind. Why? Trust me, it would be near impossible to throw a good deep ball in those conditions. They knew Texas had to run or use a controlled passing game.

2. Simms always threw short because he had no one to throw to. I had the end zone angle, and believe me, the A&M defensive backs did an unbelievable job covering our receivers. Simms looked deep several times, but trust me on this-- there was nothing there. The only time he had a deep play open was in the 1st quarter when Sloan Thomas broke down the field, but an Aggie defender hit his arm just as he was releasing it. That was the only time I saw someone open deep, even with the wind.

I still think we'll beat Florida. Our defense has been spectacular all year long. See that CU offense that tore up Nebraska for 62 points? We held them to 7. I don't care if Florida's defense is "more talented" than that of the Ags, there is no way they can play as well as A&M did today. I tip my hat to them-- that was a fabulous job. A&M played even better defensively than OU did against us. Also, as much as the defense, I think the wind was a huge negative for our offense. In the Superdome, that won't be that big of a problem.

See everyone in New Orleans. Hook 'em.

P.S. Shanna-- Wouldn't Texas A&M (last year), Oregon (last year), and Colorado be considered pressure games?

[Major]

<B>P.S. Shanna-- Wouldn't Texas A&M (last year), Oregon (last year), and Colorado be considered pressure games?</B>

I consider pressure games to be:

(1) Where the score is close
(2) Where the QB doesn't get to sit in the pocket all day and throw

Granted, no QB is going to excel in environment #2, but most of the "good" ones will make plays here and there. This is the type of place where the QB can win or lose a game, rather than relying on the running game or defense or whatever else.

A&M last year wasn't close, and their defense wasn't all that great. No QB pressure, and they pointed out that last year they were injured (their entire starting secondary was out / gimpy), and they showed that today.

I was at a wedding during the Oregon game last year, so I didn't see most of it & I don't know what kind of pressure Simms was under. From what I've been told, though, the offense only accounted for 14 points in that game along with 4 turnovers, so the offense didn't do that well.

Colorado this year was never close and they never really got any QB pressure.

This wasn't meant to be a shot at Simms -- he hasn't had too many opportunities in this type of situation (two full games this year, in my opinion, plus a portion of the NC game). I just get a different feeling watching him in those close games than a Harrington, Carr, Applewhite, etc. Those guys seem to have a plan, direct the offense, calmly make the big plays. I don't see Simms as being able to do that, as of yet. Hopefully, I'll proven wrong the next time it matters.

[gr8-1]

Shanna , since you "missed" the UO game and still apparently have a boner for Major, I'll fill you in. Any atm game, write it off. It's a rivalry g ame, and UT plays atm tuff. As for the Oregon game, it was a struggle. UO pulled out all stops to beat UT, but in the end, UT had a chance to win. Simms hit Roy and BJ aon the hands 3 times, but they dropped it. UT went on to lose by less than a TD. Sorry to break your heart, but it wasn't Chris's fault.

As for today, the 30 mph wind would have stiemied any chance of Major beating atm.

Get a real user name. People on this bbs are being polite to you becuz we think you're a girl.

Oh, also, Simms broke Majors passing touchdown record and tied Ricky's total td record. Sorry. Also, Simms did something that Major never did. He led us to a ten win season.

[gr8-1]

Hopefully, I'll proven wrong the next time it matters.

We just beat atm for the second time since 1983. This game MATTERED. Don't hold your breath on Major. He's too busy not picking up the blitz against OU, KSU, NU, atm and Baylor.

[Supermac34]

This is kinda off topic from the football game, but I just wanted to say something about this rivalry.

First, I'm an Aggie and a senior.

Second, I have tons of friends at UT.

So I know a little about both schools and in my experience I've found that these two schools are pretty much the same education wise.

Both schools have about the same employment rate for graduating seniors overall.

Both schools have about the same starting salary average overall, with the edge to A&M slightly because of the larger engineering school, but pretty much the same as UT overall.

The rivalry is great with there being rabid fans on both sides.

The UT fans could be a little more respectful of visiting A&M fans when they go to Austin for the UT vs. A&M game. I had a friend who went with her family last year. A bunch of Longhorn fans spit on her and her family and cussed them out. My friend's niece was there and she was only 4. When they got back to their car it was vandalized and keyed up because of their A&M sticker.

I've been to the games here at Kyle Field and UT fans with friends at A&M sit in the stands, and there might be some smack being talked, but its good natured and fun, nothing like the stories I've heard from Austin.

I think the Aggies might have a little more spirit than A&M, but again, its pretty much the same.

Oh well, I'm ranting on...I'll stop...

Great rivalry, look forward to the game next year.

[Major]

<B>We just beat atm for the second time since 1983. This game MATTERED. </B>

In case you missed the game, we did so DESPITE a bad performance by the QB. You put any QB in the country (except maybe Nate Hybl :)) in there, and he can complete less than half his passes and throw for 130 yards on 30 passes. Like I said, I hope he does better the next time HIS INDIVIDUAL PERFORMANCE MATTERS. That may very well come this weekend against Colorado.

We won because of a massive talent advantage and a superb defensive performance. In case you missed the game, we scored on a blocked punt, a 30 yard drive, and a 10 yard drive where we almost exclusively ran the ball. He led us to a grand total of ZERO points on offense in the first 55 minutes of the game. If you call all of that "great quarterbacking", that's your choice. I don't.

I happen to realize that while that works against an A&M team with no offense, it won't work against the elite Floridas and Miamis of the world. This type of "but we're 10-1" philosophy of always assuming we're fine is exactly what leads to games like Oklahoma vs. Oklahoma State. I personally believe Texas has the talent to compete with those top-tier teams, but they have to play much smarter to do it.

<B>As for today, the 30 mph wind would have stiemied any chance of Major beating atm. </B>

You do know that those 30 mph winds don't really affect short, low bullet passes, right? That's basically all we threw, and Simms couldn't even complete half of those. He kept throwing behind and in front of receivers, and more often than not, to Roy Williams regardless of how many (4 people once) were covering him. Watch a Harrington or Carr sometime, and watch how they find ways to make plays in the close drives. I don't care how good the defense is, there are ALWAYS open receivers if you can find them, because the offensive player makes the first move and the defensive player simply has to react.

You apparently think that since Simms is the QB, he must be perfect and everything he does is phenomenal. Some of us are a tad bit brighter than that.

<B>Get a real user name. People on this bbs are being polite to you becuz we think you're a girl. </B>

Grow up, "great one". :rolleyes:

[francis 4 prez]

Originally posted by gr8-1
Shanna , since you "missed" the UO game and still apparently have a boner for Major, I'll fill you in. Any atm game, write it off. It's a rivalry g ame, and UT plays atm tuff. As for the Oregon game, it was a struggle. UO pulled out all stops to beat UT, but in the end, UT had a chance to win. Simms hit Roy and BJ aon the hands 3 times, but they dropped it. UT went on to lose by less than a TD. Sorry to break your heart, but it wasn't Chris's fault.

As for today, the 30 mph wind would have stiemied any chance of Major beating atm.

Get a real user name. People on this bbs are being polite to you becuz we think you're a girl.

Oh, also, Simms broke Majors passing touchdown record and tied Ricky's total td record. Sorry. Also, Simms did something that Major never did. He led us to a ten win season.

Why do Simms fans always bring up the UO game to defend their boy. He had O TD's and 4 INT's. That's not good. One of those was a hail Mary at the end of the first half which I wouldn't blame on him if he hadn't been sacked for 10 yards on consecutive plays after having plenty of time in the pocket. We should've been at the 30 with a possible FG instead of the Hail Mary. Now at the end of the game did Roy and BJ drop TD's/potential TD's. No doubt about it. Would those TD's have made the difference. Yes. Does all credit in the world now go to Simms for winning us the game and all blame go to Roy and BJ for losing it. No. We scored 30 points. Special teams and defense each had a TD and I'm not sure if the 16 was from a safety or a missed XP with a FG. Nonetheless, a Simms led offense only put up half our points plus the should've been TD. Take away D and special teams and we lose again. Also, I believe we got the ball back after the dropped passes and he promptly threw another INT. Not good. Now I do remember him hitting quite a few mid range passes during the game and it wasn't the worst game a QB has ever played, but stop putting it on his "why he's a good QB" resume.

And how exactly would 30 mph winds have stymied any chance Major had more than it did Simms. What did Simms do so spectacularly in those 30 mph winds that Major couldn't have. Was it the no TD's, or the 138 yards or the 50 % completion. Again I'm not saying Simms had a horrible game (0 turnovers is definitely great) but why say Major would've had no shot when clearly the QB didn't win the game anyway.


Of course this isn't really the time for arguing, OU lost to a bad team and Bobby Stoops has to deal with a little more dejection. Outside of the NC for UT, could life get any sweeter.

[HayesStreet]

Originally posted by francis 4 prez


Why do Simms fans always bring up the UO game to defend their boy. He had O TD's and 4 INT's. That's not good. One of those was a hail Mary at the end of the first half which I wouldn't blame on him if he hadn't been sacked for 10 yards on consecutive plays after having plenty of time in the pocket. We should've been at the 30 with a possible FG instead of the Hail Mary. Now at the end of the game did Roy and BJ drop TD's/potential TD's. No doubt about it. Would those TD's have made the difference. Yes. Does all credit in the world now go to Simms for winning us the game and all blame go to Roy and BJ for losing it. No. We scored 30 points. Special teams and defense each had a TD and I'm not sure if the 16 was from a safety or a missed XP with a FG. Nonetheless, a Simms led offense only put up half our points plus the should've been TD. Take away D and special teams and we lose again. Also, I believe we got the ball back after the dropped passes and he promptly threw another INT. Not good. Now I do remember him hitting quite a few mid range passes during the game and it wasn't the worst game a QB has ever played, but stop putting it on his "why he's a good QB" resume.



The reason people keep bringing it up is because people like Shanna keep saying Simms hasn't performed 'when it matters,' or hasn't excelled 'individually' when the game was on the line. The Oregon game shows that Simms can and has performed well 'when it matters' and when he needed to excel as a quarterback. He hit his O' So Hyped WR's for touchdowns that would have won the game had they not dropped them. No one contends they were hard catches as they were perfect throws. The Horns are in the national spotlight, as they have been since Simms got there. Horns fans should stop bitchin about Simms. He's the best thing to happen to UT football in a long long time.

[haven]

I want to like Simms, but he every time I think he's matured, he takes a step back.

Yes, the wind was bad in that game. But then, as Shanna said, Simms was throwing off-target anyway.

I'm not sure how much the tamu game means. After all, does anyone really believe okst is better than Oklahoma? Or that Ohio St. better than Michigan?

In college football, more than any other sport, rivalry games matter. That's what makes them so damned special.

I'd bet almost anything that Simms will have much better luck against Colorado, or even Florida, than he had against tamu.

Incidentally, tamu's defense looked really, really good. The penetration they had against Texas' running game was really phenomenal.

PS - Roy Williams needs to learn how to hold onto the ball.

[BrianKagy]

Kim, can you please cite a source for the Chris Simms and Rick Barnes quotes?

If not, please retract them. I'll bet $100 those are both complete fabrications.

Now, let me test my new signature...

"I'm a goat-humper, yes I am. Nothing better than goat pussy"-- R.C. Slocum

[Smokey]

About the quotes, the Rick Barnes' one has to be false. One, students don't buy tickets to basketball games. Students buy a sports package which allows them to draw tickets to basketball games. Yes, Barnes was upset at the lack of student attendance early last year (Do you really want to watch Texas play SWT or Texas A&M Corpus Christi?) but his gripe was directed towards the administration for not making the Erwin Center basketball friendly. His theory was student attendance would increase by bringing seats closer to the court - a new student section called the O-Zone was created behind the goals.

The Simms quote is false the way it is written however I remember hearing something familiar to that during a TV broadcast. Simms talks to his dad often and one time told him that Texas fans are tough just like the fans in NY. He never said the fans sucked.

[Kim]

Smokey, I think you are right. The chronicle didn't give that info though. And that's the source I got. I will post that article once I get my account info this week, because their subscriber services is closed for today. 713-220-7211

So I did some research and found the full article in the Dallas/Ft. Worth Star, which explained Barnes' anger much more in depth. The game was played on a Saturday night, a Saturday night in which y'all UT students were taking Finals last year. That's why I wrote back to the chronicle ripping Barnes saying that he should take his head out of his ass and realize that finals were going on. Of course, his players aren't normal students, so they don't have to do that stuff, but regular students at the University obviously have more important things going on. I wish I had that email still.

As for the Simms quote. Brian Kagy, I'm tired of your ****. I'm sorry if I'm rude, but this is not the first time you've questioned my credibility. One thing that makes this site great is the ability for people to post inside information. You don't believe me? Fine. RockHEAD had to get pictures. The dude who brought the Francis trade was flamed. So was Maloney's brother. I don't like to give up confidentiality, but damn, I don't like it when people question my credibility because I am an honest person about this stuff.

This is what I'm going to do. The next time I go to Austin, I'm gonna pull a RockHEAD and take some pictures. I can't believe people can't accept honesty anymore. All I'm saying is that if there is info on the UT Basketball team, UT football, or A&M football, that I say, it is first hand or second hand information that I can verify first hand. How can the Simms quote be in a damn newspaper if he said it on the phone with dad?

Kagy, you want some more info so you can call me a liar?

1) I was walking down the hall last year when I noticed a bed in the hallway. I asked my buddy what's that? He goes in and says, "Chris, you got to put that get in your room." Chris says "I got a new bed, leave me alone (This was when Chris wasn't friendly with anyone and no one liked him yet). Buddy says "Look man, if you want your daddy pay for another bed, that's fine, just get rid of the old one.

2) This year. Simms to person. "Look man, I can't sign these footballs everyday. I'm not supposed to do that." Person " Alright, but it's for a good cause. One last time. What's that on TV? (Harcore Porn)" Simms "Ah yeah, I just got this. You can borrow it after I'm done."

3) Last Christmas break when I was working security for your damn campus. There was trash all up in the hallways so I told this chick who was kind or in charge. The hoops team wouldn't take out their garbage and just threw it in the halls. The chick called up Rick Barnes and the team ran as punishment. Problem solved.

I'll bet $100 those are both complete fabrications.

Give me the $100 Kagy. I need money. I'm explaining the Barnes quote, and I guess bring my camera the next time I'm in Austin. You called me an outright liar. Again, sorry for being rude, but maybe you should tone down your arrogant attitude. You are smart and funny, but you are not always right. I take pride in my honesty. I can't believe I'm going to have to prove this stuff, but mark my words. I will.
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The article is posted below. As stated, this is more in-depth than the Chronicle's article, which in retrospect seemed to take some quotes out of context (either that, or this article is off) . I'll post the Chronicle's article later.
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Copyright 2000 Star-Telegram Newspaper, Inc.
Fort Worth Star Telegram


December 17, 2000, Sunday FINAL EDITION

SECTION: SPORTS; Pg. 18

LENGTH: 649 words

HEADLINE: UT's Barnes rips fan support after win

BYLINE: Mike Jones; Star-Telegram Staff Writer

BODY:
TEXAS 79
A&M-CC 71

AUSTIN - Texas coach Rick Barnes readily admits to
current holes in the Longhorns' game, as evidenced by the
way they struggled Saturday in a 79-71 victory over
second-year program Texas A&M-Corpus Christi, a team that
lost by 25 two weeks ago at Sam Houston State.

But as he continues to try to put together a young team without
scoring force and inspirational leader Darren Kelly, who could
regain his eligibility as early as Wednesday's game at Houston,
Barnes sees other gaps in the program that frustrate him more -
such as the lack of fan support.

Saturday's announced attendance of 4,753 in the Erwin Center was the lowest during Barnes' two-plus seasons. Texas has played before an average of 6,127 in five home games this season, including two in the Tivo Preseason NIT. "I don't know how to say this without people getting mad at what I say," Barnes said in preface. "But [the support] has got to get better. We've got to take a hard look at where we are now. I watch games on TV, too. I understand that at this time of year people have other things going on besides basketball. But this is
embarrassing.

"We have to make some changes, whether people like it or not. If
there's one thing that has to change during my tenure here, that's it. Because we'll get the players. And you can't say winning is the answer, because we've done that. Ten of the last 11 years Texas has been in the NCAA Tournament. That's a level Texas has gotten to in postseason. But there's another level we have to get to. And that's day in and day out people coming to games."

Barnes has addressed this problem before, calling for a
reconfiguration of seating in the Erwin Center. That is something
that might be done next season, now that the athletic department has assumed operational control of the Erwin Center from the business office.

Barnes says, for instance, that students need to have more than
the current 1,500 seats on the lower level. But he said some
controversial steps might be necessary, such as denying season
tickets to those who might have purchased them for a while , but no longer use them. Or admitting fans to the lower tier when those seats are empty 10 minutes into a game or selling (first tier end zone) general admission tickets for games that don't figure to draw.

The lower tier of approximately 7,500 seats (of 16,175 capacity)
are sold, but are seldom filled to 50 percent capacity until Big 12
play begins.

"I don't care if it means me picking up the phone and telling
people what we're trying to do," Barnes said. "I appreciate loyalty to the program, but [the lack of attendance] is not fair to our players, to the program or to the university."

Solving that problem will take some time. Fixing what ails the
Longhorns without Kelly and without an established point guard is a problem more immediate. Transfer Fredie Williams has not been the answer. Barnes, who continues to tinker, got a six-assist game Saturday from Royal Ivey, but the freshman is not a true point guard. Barnes said he will use Kelly at the point if he returns, even though Kelly is more of a shooting guard. The Longhorns, who were 11 for 27 from the free-throw line Saturday, could use the offense.

"We've definitely got to have leadership there to organize the
team," said winger Maurice Evans, whose 23 points backed up a
career high 31 by Chris Owens. The Longhorns trailed at the half,
30-29, but rallied in the second half.

"A lot of times we look unorganized, tentative, sloppy. And
turnovers come from indecisiveness," Evans said. "We've got to get into an offense and run it with some conviction.

"We came out flat. But there was no momentum to feed off of. The environment was not very good."

Mike Jones, (817) 390-7760
jonz@star-telegram.com

LOAD-DATE: December 18, 2000

[Kim]

Okay, I found the Chronicle thing I read a year ago. I was wrong..well sort of. Remember, I quoted from memory from an article a year ago. Also I am right in saying that the Chronicle article is much less in depth than the Ft. Worth one. Barnes didn't say "students" in the chronicle. Ft. Worth explained everything. The fact is he still ripped UT fans, which was my original point, and even wanted to strip season ticket holders. And this game was played while finals was going on...UT takes finals on Saturdays for y'all who don't know. I'm being totally up front. So it was never a complete fabrication like some would say.

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Copyright 2000 The Houston Chronicle Publishing Company
The Houston Chronicle


December 17, 2000, Sunday 4 STAR EDITION

SECTION: SPORTS; Pg. 6

LENGTH: 794 words

HEADLINE: Owens, Texas have just enough;
Longhorns battle to the end before trimming Texas A&M-Corpus Christi

SOURCE: Staff

BYLINE: JEROME SOLOMON

DATELINE: AUSTIN

BODY:
AUSTIN - What most thought would be a walk in the park turned into a tap dance through a minefield for the Texas Longhorns.

With guards Michael Hicks and Lee Denmon III leading the way, Texas A&M-Corpus Christi, whose basketball program is in its second year of existence, gave the lethargic Longhorns a legitimate scare on Saturday.

But after trailing at the half, Texas came to life for a brief 2 1/2-minute stretch midway through the second period and hung on for a 79-71 win before a barely noticeable crowd of 4,753 at the Erwin Center.

Hicks lit the Longhorns up for 33 points, and Denmon added 24, making six of 13 3-pointers. Though no other Islander scored more than five points, A&M-Corpus Christi was within three after Hicks was awarded a field goal on a goaltending call by Chris Owens with 13 seconds remaining.

After a horrendous night at the foul line (11-for-27 overall), Texas hit five of six freebies to close out the game.

Afterward, the Texas players knew they were fortunate to come away with a win - and not just because of some questionable officiating calls that went in their favor late in the game.

"They definitely weren't as bad a team as I guess we thought," said Texas wingman Maurice Evans, who scored 23 points on 8-of-13 shooting. "We just came out a little flat, and we didn't have a lot of intensity. We just didn't play like we're capable of playing.

"We're a young team, but we can't keep using that as an excuse. It's going to come to a point where we're playing better competition and the schedule is going to get very tough. We have to make some changes - quick, fast and in a hurry - because we're going to find out what kind of team we're going to be real fast."

Texas likely would not have gotten this win without the dominating performance of Owens inside. The 6-9 junior poured in a career-high 31 points and had five blocked shots and four assists.

"He's a man-child," Islanders coach Ronnie Arrow said. "To me, he was the difference in the game."

Like their fans, the Longhorns seemed disinterested during the first half and found themselves behind 30-29 at the break. They led just 49-47 with 11:15 to play when Evans jump-started a run that put them in control.

The Longhorns' leading scorer (18.0 points per game) drained a pair of 3-pointers from the right side to open an eight-point advantage. Owens put in a jumper in the lane, and Brandon Mouton stroked another trey as Texas appeared to be off and running at 60-47 with 8:50 remaining.

But Denmon hit a 3, and the Islanders began pecking away. Texas missed six of nine free throws, including three front ends of one-and-one situations, to aid the Islanders' cause, and Denmon sank a 3-pointer to close the gap to 72-67 with 1:24 left.

That's when the fun really began.

The Islanders forced a turnover on a bad pass from Chris McColpin to Evans, who got away with a blatant push in the back in front of an official, as the ball went out of bounds on the Longhorns.

Hicks put in two free throws to cut the margin to 72-69, but Owens rammed home a dunk on a feed from McColpin, who appeared to have traveled prior to making the pass, to put Texas up by five.

Hicks answered with the basket on Owens' goaltending.

Needing to foul, the Islanders' Brian Hamilton grabbed Evans, and a rare intentional foul was called, giving Texas two shots and possession of the ball with 11 seconds left.

Evans hit one of the free throws, but McColpin and Owens went 4-for-4 from the line to close the game.

"I think our team is trying and playing hard, but we have to play smarter," Texas coach Rick Barnes said. "We dug ourselves in a hole by missing so many free throws. We cannot beat a great team when we go 11-for-27 at the line."

Barnes was as disappointed in the crowd as he was in his team's effort. After the game, he spoke for a half hour about the disappointing turnout for a team that improved to 6-2 with the win.

"These guys deserve better," Barnes said. "We're the University of Texas, and we should be proud of a lot of things - and I think we are - but we've got a basketball team that's 6-2 with three freshmen in the starting lineup.

"You really need and you want that kind of (intimidating) atmosphere for the players." [B/]

What is most bothersome about the attendance is the fact the lower section of the Erwin Center is sold out, meaning a significant number of season ticket holders do not attend games, leaving large blocks of good seats unused.

[B]Barnes would like those seats filled. Whether that means those ticket holders giving their seats to someone else, or the school stripping them, he thinks something needs to be done.

"It's got to get better, and it's something we have to take a hard look at," Barnes said.



GRAPHIC: Photo: Texas' Chris Owens, who had a career-high 31 points, leaves no doubt on this dunk during the Longhorns' 79-71 win over Texas A&M-Corpus Christi on Saturday.; Associated Press

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LOAD-DATE: December 19, 2000

[BrianKagy]

I'm sorry if you thought I was an asshole in my last post, Kim. You are not the first.

1) Why don't you re-read my post? I asked you to cite a source and called the quotes fabrications. I didn't call you a liar.

What I meant was, I thought you were repeating things you'd heard from other Aggies, who as a group have a tendency to repeat idiotic things they'd like to believe are true. Surely you're familiar with some of the urban legends about things Mack Brown has told prospective recruits...?

Sorry I left that open to interpretation.

2) You asked:

How can the Simms quote be in a damn newspaper if he said it on the phone with dad?

Maybe drinking all this varnish has made me blind, but where in the heck do you put this quote in context by saying it was "on the phone talking to his dad"? Am I supposed to be a mindreader now?

If I'm wrong, I'll admit it promptly, but I didn't catch that asterisk either time I read your posts.

3) I apologize that my skepticism offended you, but I don't apologize for its existence. If I had a dollar for everytime someone on an anonymous BBS claimed to have inside information that he'd basically made up, I'd have had to bet you a million dollars just to make it interesting.

4) My objection to the Barnes quote was strictly as it related to the students. I didn't believe Barnes would suggest students not be allowed to purchase tickets given that they make up 90 percent of the fans who can actually be bothered to cheer at a Longhorn basketball game, and the quotes seem to indicate Barnes is disgusted at alumni season ticket holders.

[Desert Scar]

I have been a Simms proponent, because I viewed Major's lack of a big arm as limiting the big chunk plays (deep outs, deep posts that arrive before the safety, etc.). Simms is actually more moble, which doesn't hurt either. But in watching this season, I think Shanna might be right that Major would have been the better choice, though I still think it is a close call.

Simms as of yet does not have Major's ability to read defenses, check off multiple receivers, or effectively call audibles. Against really good defenses, predictability kills. Had the Aggies gotten a couple of fluke plays (tipped interceptions for touchdowns, KR for touchdowns), they might have won a game that should not have been tied in the 4th quarter.

Nonetheless, I take less qualms about Simms over Major than other issues with the offense. I find Davis far too predictable as a play caller. With more creativity and aggressiveness, a lot of pressure could have been taken off Simms in his two bad performances. I say the coaches give Simms little help, and without such help, Major probably could ad lib better when needed.

Also, I am not yet convinced UT's defense is that great. Sure they shut down OU and A&M, but those offenses were pretty sorry and had multiple games where they did almost nothing. My base concern is I do not see the front 4 of Texas putting consistent pressure on the QB. Farris had plenty of open receivers and missed them, and Tech and a few others moved the ball through the air. Basically, I am not confident our defense can go in there and limit Miami or Florida to 10 points or so unless the weather is terrible, or their offenses just don't show up. I hope we get the chance, I am just not convinced and I think we should be underdogs against either.

[BrianKagy]

ttt, because I cannot believe Kim has nothing further to say on the matter.

[Kim]

Oh, my bad...I guess you're right. I didn't make it clear what the Simms quote was. Sorry. But it is true. I don't know how to prove it exactly, but he did say "these fans suck" to his dad on the phone. I'll ask him the next time I see him to be absolutely sure, but I have no reason to believe it isn't true (but I don't know if I should tell him I post what he says on the internet). Why would friends lie about other friends to other friends when just telling a funny story? For unless that's what happened, the quote is true. It was just funny in my opinion.

As for the Barnes quote, I was just recollecting from something I read a year ago. It was paraphased as I noted. I guess he didn't mean students either, but don't be so sure of that. No matter how many season ticket holders that were no shows, there was less than 6,000 people at the game. He was pissed about poor attendance. I thought it was funny that he dissed his own fans. I thought it was really funny that he had no idea finals was going on at the same time the game was.

Those two examples are typical UT in my opinion, of how a coach and a player both bash their own fans. Which was a part of my point that A&M football has the best fans in the country. I mean, look, the A&M team is 6th in the Big 12. No other 6th place team in their conference has the type of dedication that A&M fans have.

I guess this is settled...I didn't mean to be rude to you Kagy...well maybe just a little. I'm just telling you up front that when I got inside info on this stuff, it is real inside info. Stuff like your football team smokes a lot of weed and gets away with it. The next time I go to Austin, I'm bringing a camera.

[chievous minniefield]

do you mean to tell me that a college football team in america is smoking a lot of weed and getting away with it??!!??!!??!!

I just don't know what to say.

someone call richard nixon or something.

[BrianKagy]

Those two examples are typical UT in my opinion,

And you question my incredulity.

If I characterized the Bonfire collapse as typical of the quality of your engineering department, would you nod and say "Yup, you got me there"...?

Or would you instead claim that the worst incidents connected with a school don't necessarily paint an accurate picture of it overall?

Those two incidents are no more "typical UT" than Jamaar Toombs and his pot-smoking licentiousness are "typical A&M".

[BrianKagy]

PS: you don't have to apologize for being rude to me. I'm a dick and everyone knows it so you're not exactly breaking new ground by tearing me a new one.

[bobrek]

<b>I mean, look, the A&M team is 6th in the Big 12. No other 6th place team in their conference has the type of dedication that A&M fans have. </b>

Penn State is 6th in the Big 10. They draw over 100,000 people per game. As a matter of fact, the game in which they lost to go to 0-5 for the season, they drew over 107,000. I think that's pretty dedicated.

[Kim]

I guess in some sense I look at things in a bad way. I just think there's a lot of stupid crap at UT. Not to say there isn't any at A&M. Take Bonfire. The collapse tragic yes. And there was a lot of good bonding going on when bonfire was around...but..let's just say too many people had their priorities out of wack when bonfire was around. Yet people still are out of wack today. I'm talking in circles...nevermind.

I guess I should of said "typical UT fans." I don't mean bad, just normal...which was my original point all along. A&M fans are the most supportive around. A&M fans never hiss (boo) the team. They teach/brainwash that into you when you get here. We have the number 1 recuited QB in Texas this last year, but no one is yelling out his name even though Farris does kinda suck.

The other incident is typical UT when I should of said typical dumbass ignorance or typical normal people (dumbasses) ignorance. Your school was having final exams and your hoops coach had no clue about it. Hmmmm...is it possible that basketball players don't take finals? (rhetorical question) And he can't imagine why attendance was bad for that game.

As for the pot smoking: I have a good buddy who got kicked out of UT dorms for smoking weed. He got caught once. Many, many, many players on the UT football team smoke hella lota weed and the same people who kicked out my buddy know this, and they do nothing about it. I don't really care that people smoke weed, but just the damn biased unethical treatment by the UT administration is typical UT to me. Again, there is a lot of typical A&M crap too.

The original point of my posting in this thread was that UT fan support is nothing special. It's just like any other major University. A&M has the best fans around. I'm not one of them, but the fact is A&M football fans are the best.

[Kim]

Originally posted by bobrek

Penn State is 6th in the Big 10. They draw over 100,000 people per game. As a matter of fact, the game in which they lost to go to 0-5 for the season, they drew over 107,000. I think that's pretty dedicated.

They were waiting for Joe Pa to break the record. There is nothing special about A&M's season this year. Do you honestly think Penn State pencil pushers (I mean that in a good way, I think they're brilliant students) are more dedicated to football than A&M Aggies. Typical Aggies eat, sleep, and breathe football. It's insane. They talk about it at lunch, dinner, any free time. And things were 10 times more obsessive when bonfire was around. You can't even imagine the dedication back then.

[gr8-1]

Typical Aggies eat, sleep, and breathe football. It's insane. They talk about it at lunch, dinner, any free time.

Are these the same Aggies I saw heading for the exit when Ced scored his second td?

Are these the same 2K aggies who filled the 8K seat Reed arena for Melvin Watkins basketball team?

KEEP RC please. He's good for atm.

[gr8-1]

A&M has the best fans around. If they are, then why don't they lead the big 12 in sellouts and attendance? They're obcessed and weird, but that doesn't make them the best. Whoop.

[bobrek]

Originally posted by Kim


They were waiting for Joe Pa to break the record. There is nothing special about A&M's season this year. Do you honestly think Penn State pencil pushers (I mean that in a good way, I think they're brilliant students) are more dedicated to football than A&M Aggies. Typical Aggies eat, sleep, and breathe football. It's insane. They talk about it at lunch, dinner, any free time. And things were 10 times more obsessive when bonfire was around. You can't even imagine the dedication back then.

PSU drew 108,000 their last home game and that was AFTER Paterno broke the record. Aggies are certainly dedicated to their team, but there are a number of schools out there that are just as dedicated.

[Kim]

If the stadium was bigger, more people would come. For the 3rd year in a row, A&M has kept on breaking its own record for attendance at a football game in Texas . I have to admit, things have changed since bonfire. There are more and more "2%ers".

So if you don't consider total faith and life dedication to the football team making A&M football fans the best, what is your criteria? I'm not talkin about hoops. I love hoops. I know no one at A&M likes hoops. I'm tired of arguing.

I can't believe y'alls damn burnt orange pride/unacceptance to admit anything "positive" about A&M keeps blinding your eyes and making y'all make stupid arguments. I don't even care anymore. Look, this is coming from me, someone he doesn't like football, someone who doesn't have much pride in his school. If y'all would just spend some time here during football season, you'll know what I mean.

[dylan]

Kim,
While I agre that AtM football fans are some of the best in the country and I would bet are more supportive than UT fans, there is no way any school tops U of Nebraska fans. We are talking about an entire state that cares about nothing more then the college football team. They travel incredibly well (remember when the Notre Dame-Nebraksa game was more than hlaf red at Notre Dame), NU always has a veyr large number of walk-ons that would get scholarships at many other schools, etc. Would I place AtM fans in the top 5% of college sports fans? Yup.

But I personnaly don't think they compare to Nebraska...

[bobrek]

Why was there only an attendance of 70,000 for the Aggie-McNeese state game? Surely a dedicated fan base like Texas A&M should sell out every game (or come pretty close) regardless of the competition?

[Smokey]

A&M holds the record for most attendance at a football game in Texas because Kyle Field is the largest football stadium in Texas. It is a tough venue to play at for visitors because of the 12th Man.

However to say A&M has more sellouts than UT is funny. UT sold out every home game this season. A&M sold out 2 games (Notre Dame and Texas). Anyone can walk up to Kyle Field to buy tickets except games against big name opponents. You can't say that about UT. Yeah, A&M has to sell more tickets, but they should because A&M is a football school.

I'm not debating tradition here because that would be endless.

Some comparisons:

UT - maximum capacity 82,500

New Mexico State 82,856
North Carolina 83,106
Texas Tech 83,081
Colorado 83,156
Kansas 83,111

Texas A&M - maximum capacity 87,000

McNeese 70,656
OSU 82,601
Notre Dame 87,206
Baylor 82,589
Iowa State 85,661
Texas 87,555

[Smokey]

The Nebraska game (Oct 1999) was the largest football game in Texas until UT/A&M (Nov 1999) which was then broken several times by the Aggies.

I think OU/A&M (Nov 2000) was the record until UT/A&M (Nov 2001).

[gr8-1]

I'll admit that I think some of the traditions of atm are pretty..... I don't know, I guess a display of loyalty.

But, UT outdraws atm in a smaller stadium. That should mean something.

[Baqui99]

Let me say it once more: Poooooor AGGGGIIEEEEES!!!!

Talk about penis envy.

[Smokey]

Proof that Texas supports its football team more than the Ags. "If you build it, they will come" doesn't apply in College Station.

http://www.ncaa.org/stats/division1%20football/attendance/ia_attendance.html

[Frank Black]

How does the UT-A&M rivalry compare to other big rivalries?

http://promotions.go.com/espn/tostitos/frontpage.html

[Frank Black]

Unfortunately I missed out on all of the pregame banter. However, upon reading most of the posts, I found a lot of what was said regarding the game (i.e., the predictions) and such to be....laughable. I guess some of the apparent silliness stems from the incessant UT superiority complex that a lot of you are suffering from. Anyways, UT was obviously the better team before and after the game.

[Smokey]

I wasn't around for the predictions however a lot of them were based on last year's 43-17 UT win and the belief that this year's Aggie squad was worse.

I'm actually glad the final score was 21-7 because that guarantees another year of RC Slocum.

[Kim]

There are more Lakers fans around the world than Kings fans. Does that mean LA has better fans? I guess it's what you decide the criteria to be in order to determine the best fans. In this case, I believe obsessive football eating, breathing, diehard Aggies...you know, all the stuff I stated above: the traditions, the loyalty, the dedication. That's my criteria. There are more people at UT. UT has more fans. So what? Does that make them better? My objective point (objective being I have spent a lot of time at both schools...I like/dislike both cities and schools pretty equally, but just for different reasons) is A&M football fans in general are better fans. Fortunately, I've been able to open some of y'all's eyes up a little to admit this. Look, if it was the exact opposite, I'd gladly say it. I don't care for football much. I just don't like it when people are so blinded by their hatred/needless pride that they state bs as fact.

[Baqui99]

Originally posted by Smokey
I wasn't around for the predictions however a lot of them were based on last year's 43-17 UT win and the belief that this year's Aggie squad was worse.

I'm actually glad the final score was 21-7 because that guarantees another year of RC Slocum.

Amen, Smokey. RC forever.

BTW, I had never been to a game at Kyle before last Friday, so I didn't really have an idea as to just how big of a role that the 12th man plays down there.