A woman's place is at the line

[Will]

8 for 19 free-throw shooting by Francis, Cato, Rogers, and Barkley cost us a regulation win in Vancouver.

Missed free throws by Francis and Cato helped cost us a regulation win in Portland.

Rockets' team free-throw average: 72%.

Comets' team free-throw average: 82%.

Cynthia Cooper's free-throw percentage last season: 89% (204 of 229).

Still no place for a woman in the NBA?

[Francis3]

They play with a smaller ball.

[Rocketability]

Will,

Good point!!! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/wink.gif

Would it be the best-ever backcourt in the NBA history to pair up Stevie and Cynthia? It's gonna be SCARY! Hardaway-Kidd combo would be no match! HEHE!

<CENTER>Goooooo Comets!</CENTER>

[JT]

Francis3,

They practice free throw shooting.

[fromobile]

I would trade Walt Williams for Cynthia Cooper in a heartbeat.

[Not Chaney]

Good point. The folded Women's ABL ball was not.

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We would like to get rookie Francis on the break for some easy scoops in the first quarter...

[Rocketability]

Van wouldn't like this trade. Who is Walt Williams to be equal the 3-time WNBA top scorer, 3-time WNBA Finals MVP, and 2-time MVP? It will take Walt + Drew + Bullard. http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/wink.gif

[Francis3]

I know Cabbage really wants a athletic type of Small Forward who can start. Well how about trading mobley for tina thompson?

Good deal..

[bballfanatic]

Yall are kidding but the Comets are a true powerhouse championship team. And Cynthia Cooper is one of the greats. She does exactly what she wants on that court and when she wants to do it.

Don't leave out Sheryl Swoopes. She practices with men and has a good 3-pointer from NBA range. Yes the ball is smaller. Men are also closer to the goal in height for easier close-in shots!

[thacabbage]

It is a complete joke that professional basketball players can't hit more than 80% of their free throws. It is a freaking free throw, guys. A guy like Shaq just pisses me off. You are getting paid $10's of millions to play a child's game, but you don't even have the commitment to put in a little extra time to work on a free throw. Sickening.

[DAROckets]

The ladies work on their fundamental bball skillz while the men are busy working on their next highlight reel dunk,witch is a damm shame.

For instance all the missed layup's lately would have been unheard of ten yrs ago.

[popeye]

<center> You Said It All For Me Cabbage! Thanks. http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/wink.gif </center>

[Isabel]

I like this thread. http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/smile.gif It just goes to show the problem with (men's) pro basketball these days. They're getting paid much more than the women and put in less work. As long as they're good enough to stay in the league and are making their millions, what do they have to prove to anybody? What is left to work for? A championship, of course, but many players only want one if it comes automatically, without hours of extra work and dedication on their part.

Their "job" is a joke. They don't even like to practice more than once a day, for a few hours at most. And that's only during the regular season. Most of us fans, for whom it's a significant expense to even buy tickets to their games, work day in and day out and don't have all this money thrown at us. Well, if that's the way it's going to be, OK, but they'd better do something to earn it. Especially things like free throw shooting. You can practice that at home, by yourself, anytime. There are probably people right here on this BBS that shoot better than Shaq. It's been agreed lately that NBA shooting percentage and game quality have gone down because of players trying to make the highlight reels and not working on the fundamentals of the game (or on their teamwork). This can start in college, which is why women's basketball is thought to be a better "quality" game. Less physical and more finesse. It's not just banging bodies against each other like in football.

As a group, we may never have the raw physical strength men have. (individual women, however, are a different story) And women may never be paid as much to play basketball. But they are putting the men to shame right now, simply because they actually want to play the game. Go Comets...

[Dr of Dunk]

All I have to say is when you're able to play basketball like some of these guys, take flights day-in and day-out like these guys, be away from families like these guys, and make money for YOUR COMPANY like these guys... then you can say their job is a joke. Until then... it's a game in which we the viewers dictate the price and salaries. We (or at least a certain percentage of us) are willing to pay for the tickets, the shoes, the jerseys, the caps, etc. to support their salaries which in turn allows their salaries to get driven up.

As for the women putting the guys to shame... well... we've had those men vs. women battles before, and I'm sure not going to start one again. http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/wink.gif

Go Comets, Go Rockets.

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Rocket fuel pumps through these veins...

[Scarface]

I am one of the worst free throw shooters you will ever see but I still make it more than 40% thats a joke for shaq to regress each year instead of progressing in Ft shooting. Primetime and BigBoy can vouch for my horrendous Freethrow shooting.

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"We need to fockass".....Dream back in the day

[Francis3]

The ball is smaller and the ball is not heavy.

[Dr of Dunk]

Scarface,

Yeah, but can you dominate the middle? http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/wink.gif

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Rocket fuel pumps through these veins...

[Scarface]

Actualy I can, they can vouch for that 2.

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"We need to fockass".....Dream back in the day

[napster]

The ball being smaller doesn't always make for easier free throws. Many centers have problems with free throwing because their hands are too big. It's like trying to shoot free throws with a grape fruit. Of course, some centers can work through it, but it is a lot harder for them than say PGs.

BTW ScarFace, how TALL are you? Also, from what I have heard, Shaq nails most of his free throws in practice, but bricks it in the game as if the rim is moving.

[This message has been edited by napster (edited December 01, 1999).]

[BrianKagy]

A woman's place is at the line, in a WNBA game.

Until Cynthia Cooper can do everything else well enough to play in the NBA, I don't think her free-throw shooting is valuable enough to warrant a roster spot.

[CBrownFanClub]

Let me tell you one thing about Sheryl Swoopes. That gal has more killer instinct than any member of the rockets right now. Whenever the Comets are starting to romp, you can be sure Swoopes is going to get a steal, a layup, and then drain a three. Daggers.

Number of times per game Sheryl Swoopes smiles: 0.

[Finalfantasy]

Cynthia Cooper is getting old, she is 36. I would rather have that Brazil girl, forgot her name but she is such a clutch performer and will fill the shoes after Cooper retired. Hope they mix it up in the future, MWNBA in which women play the point should be fun.

[Francis3]

Janet Arcain. Something like that.

[CaucasionSensation]

Hell I'd trade Williams for one of those giant Russian chicks.

[BrianKagy]

Sensation, I think you can get one through one of those mail-order catalogue things. Get the VISA ready.

[fromobile]

boooooo

[Iggy]

BK
"Until Cynthia Cooper can do everything else well enough to play in the NBA, I don't think her free-throw shooting is valuable enough to warrant a roster spot."

Have you ever seen Coop Play? She plays with Heart. I've seen her play through injury and adversity. She has talent, courage and a will to win. She gives 100% all the time and can do more than shoot free throws. Either you don't know what your talking about or you're talking through an eliminatory orifice.

Francis3
It's Janeth Arcain.

[Will]

Stop the gratuitous excretory and sex-act references. Now.

[sir scarvajal]

I definetly think the big guys have trouble shooting freebies because of physical reasons too. I don't think it is Shaq's lack of effort, anymore than it was Wilt or Russell's lack of effort, for why these guys are all sub-60% free throw shooters. But if you want to pick on some part of any of these guys games you have to start somewhere, I guess.

[Iggy]

Hardly gratuitous, no mention of excretion and what sex-act references. Now.

[Will]

"You're talking through an eliminatory orifice."

The reference was obviously both excretory and gratuitous. Your decision to keep arguing about it and claim there was "no mention of excretion" is even more rude, petulant, and foolish. We are not babysitters and do not have time for your antics. Shape up and move on.

[Iggy]

Will
I apologize for being rude.
In the short time I've been reading the posts on this BBS, many opinions have seemed foolish to me. But, how can expressing your opinion in this venue be foolish? For that I will not apologize.
The statements were more peevish than petulant. I was peeved at the unwarranted criticism of Cynthia Cooper. Apparently administrators are allowed to be gratuitous and members are not. I apologize for not being aware that.
Since I was peeved, I felt my reply was warranted, therefore, hardly gratuitous.

The inference obviously, was talking out of his a**, not taking a dump. As in "talking out your a**, cuz your mouth knows better"
No excretion intended.

[Will]

Iggy, this is not a complicated BBS rule. Your opinions about the Rockets and Cynthia Cooper are absolutely welcome. You can be as peeved as you want about that stuff. In fact, I happen to be on your side of the Coop debate. If I were a censor, that's all I'd care about. But I'm not a censor, so whether I agree with you about Coop isn't the point.

What's not welcome is accusing the person you're arguing with of talking out his "eliminatory orifice." When someone posts something you disagree with, make your point with facts and arguments. Resorting to schoolyard insults does no justice to your point of view and in fact discredits you, not the person you're arguing with.


[This message has been edited by Will (edited December 04, 1999).]

[Iggy]

Will
Point taken.