ClutchFans - Tonights Astros matchup

10-03-2001, 01:12 PM

Granted they have been hitting worse than the Bad News Bears, lets look forward to the 'Stros possiblities, not their mistakes, as other posts have done.

Tonight Vs. Jason Schmidt

career

Biggio- hitting .379
Bagwell- hitting .286 w/ 3 doubles
Berkman- hitting .333
Alou- hitting .278 5 for 18 lifetime

And Last

Hidalgo .571 with 3 homers. Scary stat.

The 'stros will win tonight, and get back in the hunt for the Central title!

TedRuxpin

10-03-2001, 01:14 PM

With Redding, it's unpredictable. Either he will throw into 7 innings of 3 hitter and no runs or he will give up two homers to Bonds

Groogrux

10-03-2001, 01:21 PM

Well, at least if the latter happens, we'll hear a lot of cheering from Enron that will sound really pretty on ESPN!!

rockHEAD

10-03-2001, 01:47 PM

I'll be at Enron tonight... look for me in the standing room only section near the Crawford boxes! I got $5 seats... and if it's close to a sellout, there will be no "better" seats to move to.

Go 'stros

rH

MadMax

10-03-2001, 05:54 PM

Puedlfor

10-03-2001, 06:01 PM

JJ -- man, I hope you're right!!! Keep in mind..those are numbers the Astros posted on Schmidt in games that weren't BIG GAMES with pressure on...the 'stros don't exactly match their season averages when playing in those type situations.

Every game, when you get up to bat in front of 30,000+ live fans, and a ton more on TV is a BIG GAME, with the pressure on. If they couldn't handle the pressure, they would not have made the majors.

The Cat

10-03-2001, 08:29 PM

GREAT start... 2 runs in the bottom of the first.

GO STROS!

DVauthrin

10-03-2001, 08:56 PM

cat, we all are in chat

Groogrux

10-03-2001, 09:00 PM

I am so not disappointed that Hidalgo made that unbelievable throw!!

10-04-2001, 12:54 PM

So much for my prediction! I swear I don't know about this season. I have hope for getting into the playoffs, but after that I think it will be 1-2-barbeque for the Astros.

Groogrux

10-04-2001, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by JJ
So much for my prediction! I swear I don't know about this season. I have hope for getting into the playoffs, but after that I think it will be 1-2-barbeque for the Astros.

You're not a real fan JJ. Don't you know you have to stupidly believe, no matter what, that the Astros will win the World Series????? How dare you doubt the fact that they won't win it all!?!?!?!?!?!

10-04-2001, 01:07 PM

OK, OK rocketman.

I just hate being wrong, and yesterday I was wrong.

The Giants will throw Ortiz today, and he has good stuff. I think that Mliki will do better than he did Saturday.

The only thing that kept Mliki from a good game last Sat. was the back-to back- to back HRs. That will not happen again.

So lets pray that the Astros take the game tonight, and then take 2 in STL.

Please don't say that I am not a real fan. I liked the Stros even before I started following the Rockets. I watch every baseball game I can on FXSW, and my girlfriend gets absolutely pissed. **** her though! :D

Major

10-04-2001, 01:18 PM

You're not a real fan JJ. Don't you know you have to stupidly believe, no matter what, that the Astros will win the World Series????? How dare you doubt the fact that they won't win it all!?!?!?!?!?!

Good definition. Since no one else has said this except for you, I assume this is actually what you believe?

:rolleyes:

Groogrux

10-04-2001, 01:36 PM

JJ, I was being sarcatic. I figured shanna could've figured that out as well...guess I overestimated him. :rolleyes:

I was simply commenting on the hell that JBIIRockets got yesterday for being negaitve, and myself not being called a real fan because I'm already too disappointed in this team to be any more disappointed when they lose in the playoffs.

Major

10-04-2001, 01:56 PM

JJ, I was being sarcatic. I figured shanna could've figured that out as well...guess I overestimated him. 

Sarcasm is based on ridiculing a statement made by someone else. No one made the claim you're sarcastically attacking.

I was simply commenting on the hell that JBIIRockets got yesterday for being negaitve

Yet no one called him a non-fan for that, except for you (sarcastically).

myself not being called a real fan because I'm already too disappointed in this team to be any more disappointed when they lose in the playoffs.

Disappointment doesn't end and begin randomly. You don't "add" and "subtract" disappointment in some type of individual units. There's no "maxing out" on disappointment. Why did you care if the Astros won or lost yesterday if you're not going to be disappointed if they don't make the playoffs?

Groogrux

10-04-2001, 05:57 PM

You're definintion is incomplete. Sure, that is one form of sarcasm, but not the only. Making fun of idiotic fans who like to call others not true fans by making an ironic or satirical statement is also sarcastic.

Grab a dictionary.

I also thank you for pointing out that my disappointment as to follow your standards. People's disappointments are not all uniform. My disappointment can come and go as it pleases, and honestly, I have no control over it. I'm deeply disappointed in this choke job my former favorite team (since you so wisely pointed out that my 21 years of going to games, hanging penants, wearing shirts, listening to games (which you don't do, something a real fan would do, you non-fan), and watching games were all for naught since I refuse to be disappointed in what I feel to be the inevitable bad ending. I cared yesterday because I want them to make the playoffs, I'd be estatic if they made it and did well...I just won't be disappointed anymore if they don't.

Behad

10-04-2001, 06:30 PM

Anyone else get the feeling Rocketman95 and shanna sit across a desk from each other, yet never communicate vocally?

Houstone

10-04-2001, 09:16 PM

Astros suckkkkkk badddddddd........

RocketsPimp

10-04-2001, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by Behad
Anyone else get the feeling Rocketman95 and shanna sit across a desk from each other, yet never communicate vocally?

Silently eyeing one another...

:eek:

RocketsPimp

10-04-2001, 09:43 PM

Back to the game THAT I CAN'T GET BECAUSE IT'S BLACKED OUT...the Astros have pitched around Barry Bonds for 3 games and have gotten whipped for 3 games. Try pitching to him next season!

PhiSlammaJamma

10-05-2001, 09:36 AM

It's easy looking back at it now, but maybe Dierker should have just pitched to Bonds in order to keep the crowd on our side. It almost stripped us of home field advantage. I think at some point you have to wonder if even our own team was embarassed to be walking him. When it comes right down to it, isn't respecting the game of baseball more important than winning. It was getting pretty ugly, and if Dierker hadn't redeemed himself in the last inning, I think I would have lost some respect for him. It was beginning to damage the game if you ask me.

Major

10-05-2001, 10:59 AM

Anyone else get the feeling Rocketman95 and shanna sit across a desk from each other, yet never communicate vocally?

I fired him like two weeks ago for this crap. Now he's just taking out his anger on me! :)

I cared yesterday because I want them to make the playoffs, I'd be estatic if they made it and did well...I just won't be disappointed anymore if they don't.

So let's see... If the Astros win their next 3 games, roll into the playoffs, win the first 2 games of the series, and then lose the next 3, you won't be disappointed? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

When it comes right down to it, isn't respecting the game of baseball more important than winning. 

Respecting the game is making the moves it takes to win rather than trying to help someone break a record. The Astros didn't owe Bonds anything. By the way, he had 4 or 5 actually at-bats in the series, and he had several ways that weren't intential -- just couldn't get the ball on the outside corner. He had his chances before the last AB.

PhiSlammaJamma

10-05-2001, 12:49 PM

Shanna, would it be ok to play a midget to win? I don't think so. Netiher do you. It was common sense not to play midgets, but because some jerk tried it, MLB had to make a rule banning midgets. I mean, sometimes, you have to use judgement. Dierker was crossing the line. There comes a point where you are doing damage to the game of baseball. And he was at the critical point.

We may not owe Bonds anything, but the Astros owe the game something. And that just wasn't baseball. Pure and simple. The Astros weren't even competing. They were running. Baseball is entertainment whether you want to believe it or not, and when you get to that point you're not entertaining your fans, your own ball club, or anyone. That's when you've crossed the line.

Major

10-05-2001, 12:58 PM

We may not owe Bonds anything, but the Astros owe the game something. And that just wasn't baseball. Pure and simple. 

What wasn't baseball? Walking players that everyone else in the league walks? Why are the Astros so horrible for walking someone that every other team has done also? It's not like this strategy is unique to the Astros.

The only thing the Astros owe the game is to play hard and not throw games.

PhiSlammaJamma

10-05-2001, 01:20 PM

Didn't we walk him like nine times? If so, that's not what every other team has been doing. His average was only one walk a game for the whole season. Not three. If every team did that he'd average like 500 walks. Is that baseball? I'm not so sure it is. And I doubt anybody would look at that as playing the game.

Major

10-05-2001, 01:51 PM

Didn't we walk him like nine times? If so, that's not what every other team has been doing. His average was only one walk a game for the whole season. Not three. If every team did that he'd average like 500 walks. Is that baseball? I'm not so sure it is. And I doubt anybody would look at that as playing the game.

Of course early in the season people didn't do it -- he wasn't going psycho at the plate back then.

In his last two series, SD (not competing for a playoff spot) walked him 5 times. LA walked him 8 times. I think that's a pretty popular strategy right now.

Besides, it's not like these were all intentional walks. Our pitchers tried to pitch to him, but by being so careful against him, they ended up walking him. Only 2 or 3 of the walks were intentional. One of those was 3-0 before they intentionally did it.