Obama or Romney?

[Rockets_Fan15]

Who will you take? I am a political guy. I am choosing Mitt Romney. I would much rather have Marco Rubio running against Obama, however he isn't. I am sick and tired of the lame excuses by the Obama admin. I want jobs to be created not set aside for some non-relevant issue such as contraception. Trust me there isn't a GOP war on women. $5 trillion piled on the debt! We can't afford 4 more.

[dumbartonbass]

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[pouhe]

If you're a Republican or conservative of any kind, you might as well vote for Romney for the same reason you voted for Dole: the best available candidate who, if not for timing and bad nominees before, would have been in the White House or at least gotten to the general election in a more favorable climate. I like him (personally, not politically) because he seems like one of those third generation Rockefellers: deep-fried in wealth, privilege and powerful connections, but actually smart, ambitious and idealistic enough to make the most of them.

[QdoubleA]

Super insightful thread bro!

[False]

I like Obama more than Romney because his name begins with an O! O is before R in the alphabet so it is better. Also, I have better memories of the Sesame Street episodes brought to us by the letter O. What's good for Sesame Street is good for main street!

[MoonDogg]

I like Obama more than Romney because his name begins with an O! O is before R in the alphabet so it is better. Also, I have better memories of the Sesame Street episodes brought to us by the letter O. What's good for Sesame Street is good for main street!

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[Classic]

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[RocketMan Tex]

Welcome to Kindergarten.....

[bigtexxx]

Who will you take? I am a political guy. I am choosing Mitt Romney. I would much rather have Marco Rubio running against Obama, however he isn't. I am sick and tired of the lame excuses by the Obama admin. I want jobs to be created not set aside for some non-relevant issue such as contraception. Trust me there isn't a GOP war on women. $5 trillion piled on the debt! We can't afford 4 more.

Good post

I'm with you on the Romney choice. Obama has failed America and he needs to go.

[thadeus]

Are you old enough to vote?

[Rockets_Fan15]

Are you old enough to vote?

I will be! I am 17, but will be 18 in August.

[Rockets_Fan15]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/tDty43d2N-w/0.jpg

Ed Schultz? Really? After all that editing you still watch MSNBC? I really hope this picture is a joke!

[Rocketman95]

Ed Schultz? Really? After all that editing you still watch MSNBC? I really hope this picture is a joke!

Let's hope you don't watch Fox!

[cheke64]

Obama all the ****ing way, just like okc.

[thadeus]

This is definitely someone's troll account. I mean, even the sig has a misspelling.

[Rockets_Fan15]

This is definitely someone's troll account. I mean, even the sig has a misspelling.

What are you talking about? I don't have any misspellings in my sig!

[Rockets_Fan15]

Let's hope you don't watch Fox!

Whats wrong with Fox News?@

[Rockets_Fan15]

Sorry, typing on my phone. Take the @ symbol out of my last post.

[Rockets_Fan15]

Obama all the ****ing way, just like okc.

Give me a reason to vote for Obama! You can't use Bin Laden either.

[mc mark]

Give me a reason to vote for Obama! You can't use Bin Laden either.

He's got a better jump hook than Rmoney does.

[Rashmon]

Ed Schultz? Really? After all that editing you still watch MSNBC? I really hope this picture is a joke!

The sad thing RF_15 is that the graphic is not a joke. It is the sad reality.

Guess which nominee supports and will foster this plutocratic division of wealth for the 1%?

Unless you are set to inherit a parental fortune, you may be voting against your best interest.

[bigtexxx]

Give me a reason to vote for Obama! You can't use Bin Laden either.

Well, the economy is doing just fine! He's also delivered a health care plan that everybody embraces and loves, and has dramatically boosted food stamp spending. He's closed Guantanamo Bay, too.

I could go on!

[mc mark]

Well, the economy is doing just fine!

Don't forget lowering your taxes as well

[Rockets_Fan15]

Well, the economy is doing just fine! He's also delivered a health care plan that everybody embraces and loves, and has dramatically boosted food stamp spending. He's closed Guantanamo Bay, too.

I could go on!


8% unemployment for nearly 4 years, $5 trillion in debt, a health care plan that is unconstitutional, and dare I mention Fast and Furious?

[QdoubleA]

8% unemployment for nearly 4 years, $5 trillion in debt, a health care plan that is unconstitutional, and dare I mention Fast and Furious?

I was listening to the Hannity radio show (because I hate myself) on a trip to Dallas a few months ago and they had a child, like 8 or 9 years old, rattling off vague talking points. You sound exactly like him.

[mc mark]

Seems like you've made up your mind and aren't really interested in discussion.

[thadeus]

What are you talking about? I don't have any misspellings in my sig!

Yeah, you're definitely a troll. You changed it from "for" when I pointed it out.

[Rockets_Fan15]

I was listening to the Hannity radio show (because I hate myself) on a trip to Dallas a few months ago and they had a child, like 8 or 9 years old, rattling off vague talking points. You sound exactly like him.


I'm bringing up various topics that are important to this election!

[cheke64]

8% unemployment for nearly 4 years, $5 trillion in debt, a health care plan that is unconstitutional, and dare I mention Fast and Furious?

How does the president have time to be in the new fast and the furious. That makes me angry.

[rhadamanthus]

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[GladiatoRowdy]

Whats wrong with Fox News?@

They are a bunch of liars and you have chosen to be duped by them. Have fun with that.

[bnb]

If the debt is your thing.....how can you embrace a candidate who's committed to further tax reductions and a significant increase in military spending before he even has a chance to assess how 'bad' it is? His plans for balancing the budget are very long term. His plans to increase the deficit are immediate.

couple of bits of light reading for you:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/story/2012-02-07/Romney-Obama-balancing-budget/53003740/1

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-mcmanus-column-romney-defense-spending-20120624,0,6596765.column

Even in his heyday as a corporate raider, he'd be hard pressed to turn a troubled company around if he was forbidden from making adjustments to the revenue stream and committed to adding new expenditures.

I'm not anti-Romney -- but while he may decrease spending (military notably excluded), deficit reduction is simply not realistic for him given the way he's boxed himself in so far.

[Rockets_Fan15]

Yeah, you're definitely a troll. You changed it from "for" when I pointed it out.

Okay, whatever you say. If you can prove that I'd love to see proof.

[Rocketman95]

Okay, whatever you say. If you can prove that I'd love to see proof.

There's also a rule against political signatures.

[Rockets_Fan15]

There's also a rule against political signatures.

Until I receive any messages, I'm not changing it.

[QdoubleA]

Ok, enough, lets stop feeding the troll.

[Batman Jones]

I will be! I am 17, but will be 18 in August.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

[Granville]

Seems like you've made up your mind and aren't really interested in discussion.

Look who's talking. The biggest Obama homer on this board.

[Rockets_Fan15]

Ok, enough, lets stop feeding the troll.

No troll here! I like to debate! If that is what you call trolling, perhaps you shouldn't be in this thread!

[mc mark]

Kiss Kiss Granny

How's the family?

[bigtexxx]

8% unemployment for nearly 4 years, $5 trillion in debt, a health care plan that is unconstitutional, and dare I mention Fast and Furious?

well, I have to agree with you here. Maybe he hasn't done a very good job, after all.

but he did inherit all his problems from GEORGE W BUSH!!!!!!!!!111eleven (these problems still exist to this day and likely will exist until eternity all because of GWB)

[Rockets_Fan15]

well, I have to agree with you here. Maybe he hasn't done a very good job, after all.

but he did inherit all his problems from GEORGE W BUSH!!!!!!!!!111eleven (these problems still exist to this day and likely will exist until eternity all because of GWB)

Oh really? You do realize it was Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who caused the economic drought, right? Ever heard of the Dodd-Frank Bill? Bush tried to REPEAL that, but was told by DEMOCRATS that it would work. Look where it lead us to. I suggest looking up info instead of letting the media tell you what to think.

[IBTL]

but he did inherit all his problems from GEORGE W BUSH!!!!!!!!

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[RocketRaccoon]

http://www.obamagotosamashirt.info/files/image/5_1_2011_mission_accomplished_osama_bin_laden_dead_tshirt-p235961227245982037qtny_325.jpg


So tired of this silliness.

Giving Obama credit for this is like giving Clinton credit for the computer craze of the 90s is like me taking credit for the garden that was in my yard before I bought it. Funny, if you want to give credit for those: military complex for Laden, capitalism for the 90s, excellent neighborhood for my garden.

[FranchiseBlade]

Oh really? You do realize it was Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who caused the economic drought, right? Ever heard of the Dodd-Frank Bill? Bush tried to REPEAL that, but was told by DEMOCRATS that it would work. Look where it lead us to. I suggest looking up info instead of letting the media tell you what to think.

You have a horrible misunderstanding of what caused the economic drought.

[bigtexxx]

Oh really? You do realize it was Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who caused the economic drought, right? Ever heard of the Dodd-Frank Bill? Bush tried to REPEAL that, but was told by DEMOCRATS that it would work. Look where it lead us to. I suggest looking up info instead of letting the media tell you what to think.

I just researched this.

You're right again!

I appreciate your depth and help on this. You've won me over to the right.

I've concluded that Obama has indeed been a worthless failure. Time for America to TAKE OUT THE TRASH and elect Romney instead.

[Rockets_Fan15]

You have a horrible misunderstanding of what caused the economic drought.

Okay then, enlighten me on how Bush "destroyed the economy".

[FranchiseBlade]

Okay then, enlighten me on how Bush "destroyed the economy".

It's not just how Bush destroyed the economy. It's how lack of regulations caused huge problems and caused the housing crash, lack of oversight on Lehman Brothers and other Wall Street firms that blew up.

Meanwhile Bush is lowering taxes, while spending like a sailor on wars. That shoots the deficit up. Then in order to cut the deficit programs which feed into the economy get cut back, and so that's less money going into the economy as well.

Dodd/Frank had very little to do with it.

[thadeus]

Y'all are getting trolled.

[Kyrodis]

Oh really? You do realize it was Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who caused the economic drought, right? Ever heard of the Dodd-Frank Bill? Bush tried to REPEAL that, but was told by DEMOCRATS that it would work. Look where it lead us to. I suggest looking up info instead of letting the media tell you what to think.
Uh...if I recall correctly, Dodd-Frank was proposed in June/July 2009 and passed in 2010.

How did the former President Bush try to repeal it? How did it cause the economic drought when the economy (or at least various stock/commodities indices) bottomed out somewhere around March 2009? :confused:

[QdoubleA]

STOP. FEEDING. THE. TROLL.

[Rockets2K]

Until I receive any messages, I'm not changing it.


Consider this your message.

Change the sig, anything that is political in nature is not allowed in sigs. That is a long standing rule here.

[Bandwagoner]

Consider this your message.

Change the sig, anything that is political in nature is not allowed in sigs. That is a long standing rule here.

Only if you post outside of D&D. Otherwise political sigs are fair game.

[Rockets_Fan15]

Consider this your message.

Change the sig, anything that is political in nature is not allowed in sigs. That is a long standing rule here.

Nice acting job, buddy. Whats wrong with having an opinion? Your starting to sound like Obama.

[QdoubleA]

Nice acting job, buddy. Whats wrong with having an opinion? Your starting to sound like Obama.

http://i.imgur.com/3LrON.gif

[Kyrodis]

Nice acting job, buddy. Whats wrong with having an opinion? Your starting to sound like Obama.
Still waiting on your enlightening explanation of how Bush wasn't able to repeal Dodd-Frank, thereby causing the current economic mess even though...
1. The economic crisis started in 2007.
2. Dodd-Frank was passed in 2010.
3. Bush was no longer in the White House.

Was there a time machine involved? Awesome...

[Rocketman95]

Nice acting job, buddy. Whats wrong with having an opinion? Your starting to sound like Obama.

Those things under people's moniker? You should pay attention to them.

Here's a hint, if it says Clutch Crew, you should probably heed what they say.

And it's you're, not your.

[Northside Storm]

Oh really? You do realize it was Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who caused the economic drought, right? Ever heard of the Dodd-Frank Bill? Bush tried to REPEAL that, but was told by DEMOCRATS that it would work. Look where it lead us to. I suggest looking up info instead of letting the media tell you what to think.

I will take anyone, point-by-point, to task for even beginning to cite that Dodd-Frank is part of the problem.

We'll start with the frozen repo markets, and end up somewhere along the lines of broken credit-default swaps.

Nobody should even begin to bring that s*** up. It discredits you completely in matters of finance or economics.

[Rockets_Fan15]

Still waiting on your enlightening explanation of how Bush wasn't able to repeal Dodd-Frank, thereby causing the current economic mess even though...
1. The economic crisis started in 2007.
2. Dodd-Frank was passed in 2010.
3. Bush was no longer in the White House.

Was there a time machine involved? Awesome...

Bush attempted to repeal Dodd-Frank. However, the dems controlled the senate and house. They were set on the Dodd-Frank bill and its supposed success. Which clearly didn't happen because that bill alone forced foreclosures.

[Rocketman95]

I love that Bush didn't "repeal" something because the Democrats told him it would work.

[Northside Storm]

I don't even care if you're trolling. To even insinuate at it it is worthy of only the highest ignorance.

[Kyrodis]

Bush attempted to repeal Dodd-Frank. However, the dems controlled the senate and house. They were set on the Dodd-Frank bill and its supposed success. Which clearly didn't happen because that bill alone forced foreclosures.
I'm still not following how President Bush (who left office in 2008) attempted to repeal a Wall Street reform bill that didn't exist (even in it's earliest form) until 2009.

Again, was there a time machine involved?

[Rockets_Fan15]

I'm still not following how President Bush (who left office in 2008) attempted to repeal a Wall Street reform bill that didn't exist (even in it's earliest form) until 2009.

Again, was there a time machine involved?

Buh left in 2009.....

[Bandwagoner]

Those things under people's moniker? You should pay attention to them.

Here's a hint, if it says Clutch Crew, you should probably heed what they say.

And it's you're, not your.

Take your own advice and look under this guys moniker.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=3913780&postcount=1

Administrator > Clutch Crew

[Classic]

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[Kyrodis]

Buh left in 2009.....
Hah...ok fine. I'll reiterate my question.

How does Bush try to repeal Dodd-Frank when he left office in January 2009, and Dodd-Frank didn't exist until:
1. First as an initial proposal in June 2009
2. Introduced into Congress by Chris Dodd and Barney Frank in December 2009

Take your own advice and look under this guys moniker.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=3913780&postcount=1

Administrator > Clutch Crew
Come on CaseyH, do a quick search and you'll see that he has posted outside this forum.

[Rockets_Fan15]

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSZaJMYwtDJ1XC3HVOl7O4UgADLn9muwiP85jfRlbF gjP7_AWV0

LOL!!!! :grin:

[MoonDogg]

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[rocketfan83]

No poll??? What's the point

[Deckard]

Nice acting job, buddy. Whats wrong with having an opinion? Your starting to sound like Obama.
I trust that you have other troll accounts besides this one. Something tells me that your sojourn here with this moniker may be of limited duration.

[Rockets_Fan15]

I trust that you have other troll accounts besides this one. Something tells me that your sojourn here with this moniker may be of limited duration.

No other accounts. I have a life.

[Northside Storm]

No other accounts. I have a life.

So does everyone else, they just aren't insecure enough to have to say it.

Have fun with the trolling.

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[Kyrodis]

No other accounts. I have a life.
Still ignoring the fact that Dodd-Frank didn't exist while Bush was president?

Even if you're just mistakenly talking about another bill, I'm still not sure which recent high profile bill "forced foreclosures" like you say.

- Dodd-Frank was about Wall Street Reform
- Fannie/Freddie takeover aimed to minimize foreclosures
- EESA/TARP was passed to minimize foreclosures
- ARRA had foreclosure assistance

[Rockets_Fan15]

Still ignoring the fact that Dodd-Frank didn't exist while Bush was president?

Even if you're just mistakenly talking about another bill, I'm still not sure which recent high profile bill "forced foreclosures" like you say.

- Dodd-Frank was about Wall Street Reform
- Fannie/Freddie takeover aimed to minimize foreclosures
- EESA/TARP was passed to minimize foreclosures
- ARRA had foreclosure assistance

Fannie and Freddy were endorsed by Barney Frank. I suppose I should have worded my sentences a bit better. Sorry....

[Granville]

Kiss Kiss Granny

How's the family?

Dude, you are creepy.

[mc mark]

And you're just a redneck.

Sux to be you.

This is what conservatives are reduced too? Weak taunts from a 17 year old?

[Bandwagoner]

And you're just a redneck.

Sux to be you.

This is what conservatives are reduced too? Weak taunts from a 17 year old?



Granville is 17?

[tallanvor]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-F5LdbI95teg/T9p9ULUJgOI/AAAAAAAAyFc/BC8MEnWWZg4/s1600/120614-chart.jpg

I want not this.

[mc mark]

I want not this.

Yoda?

[Rockets_Fan15]

And you're just a redneck.

Sux to be you.

This is what conservatives are reduced too? Weak taunts from a 17 year old?

If you are talking to me, I am far from a redneck, considering I live in Washington. However, if I lived in the great state of Texas, it would be a compliment to tell me I am a redneck.

[mc mark]

If you are talking to me, I am far from a redneck, considering I live in Washington. However, if I lived in the great state of Texas, it would be a compliment to tell me I am a redneck.

The first part of my post wasn't addressed to you, the second part was addressed to the conservative posters on the board.

So really my post had nothing to do with you. Run along now child

[Rockets_Fan15]

The first part of my post wasn't addressed to you, the second part was addressed to the conservative posters on the board.

So really my post had nothing to do with you. Run along now child

But I am a conservative poster on the forum. So it kind of was relevant to me. If you don't like what I or any other conservative has to say, challenge it. Don't just use stereotypes. If you wanna go down that path, I have plenty of liberal stereotypes (which most of are true) in my bag. I think it's time for you to run along. ;)

[Granville]

And you're just a redneck.

Sux to be you.

This is what conservatives are reduced too? Weak taunts from a 17 year old?

Huh?? Far from a redneck and even farther from 17.

Blowing kisses at guys on an internet message board is creepy even for you.

I'm getting a John McMark Karr vibe from you.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/08/18/19W_KARR_narrowweb__300x338,0.jpg

[mc mark]

You two really are dense aren't you?

Oh well, moving along.

[Anticope]

But I am a conservative poster on the forum. So it kind of was relevant to me. If you don't like what I or any other conservative has to say, challenge it. Don't just use stereotypes. If you wanna go down that path, I have plenty of liberal stereotypes (which most of are true) in my bag. I think it's time for you to run along. ;)

You fit one conservative stereotype very nicely: being grossly misinformed.

[Classic]

Huh?? Far from a redneck and even farther from 17.

Blowing kisses at guys on an internet message board is creepy even for you.

I'm getting a John McMark Karr vibe from you.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/08/18/19W_KARR_narrowweb__300x338,0.jpg

^^
Sweet Nautica.

[Rockets_Fan15]

You fit one conservative stereotype very nicely: being grossly misinformed.

How so?

[Anticope]

How so?

Uhhh you just claimed 2 pages back that a bill that was signed into law in June 2010 caused the financial crisis and then backtracked and claimed that Barney Frank backing Fannie and Freddie caused it. But congrats on your decision to vote for Romney, I'm sure it won't be the last ill-informed decision you make in your life.

[geeimsobored]

The quality of right wing trolls on this forum seems to diminish by the day.

[Rockets_Fan15]

Uhhh you just claimed 2 pages back that a bill that was signed into law in June 2010 caused the financial crisis and then backtracked and claimed that Barney Frank backing Fannie and Freddie caused it. But congrats on your decision to vote for Romney, I'm sure it won't be the last ill-informed decision you make in your life.

I apologize. I hope you realize people make mistakes. I am no perfect being. I jumbled up my statements and claims in an unorderly action. Again I do apologize for not being perfect. Perhaps this link will sum up what I was attempting to say:

http://financialservices.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=252291

[Rockets_Fan15]

http://www.milpundit.com/2012/03/50-reasons-not-to-re-elect-obama.html

[Rockets_Fan15]

http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/05/new_ad_says_mitt_romney_would.html

Building the Keystone pipeline would create jobs. That is something Obama didn't do. Obama in fact has increased the unemployment rate, caused gas prices to rise, added nearly 5 trillion in the debt, and most importantly broke the constitution. He needs to go. We need new leadership, and Mitt will give that to us. Obama is tanking. Liberals can't stand this. Obama is LOSING campaign money, while Mitt is GAINING campaign money. Obama has unleashed the liberal negative attack ads, and these ads/attacks have backfired. You liberals who are too ignorant to see it need to open your eyes and realize that Obama's policies haven't work. Socialism will never work!! Liberal ideology will never work! Capitalism has worked!! It can work again!

[Anticope]

http://www.milpundit.com/2012/03/50-reasons-not-to-re-elect-obama.html

"4 – Bowed to foreign dignitaries"

I quit reading after that.

[FranchiseBlade]

http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/05/new_ad_says_mitt_romney_would.html

Building the Keystone pipeline would create jobs. That is something Obama didn't do. Obama in fact has increased the unemployment rate, caused gas prices to rise, added nearly 5 trillion in the debt, and most importantly broke the constitution. He needs to go. We need new leadership, and Mitt will give that to us. Obama is tanking. Liberals can't stand this. Obama is LOSING campaign money, while Mitt is GAINING campaign money. Obama has unleashed the liberal negative attack ads, and these ads/attacks have backfired. You liberals who are too ignorant to see it need to open your eyes and realize that Obama's policies haven't work. Socialism will never work!! Liberal ideology will never work! Capitalism has worked!! It can work again!

Please point to the socialist programs instituted by Obama.

Mitt Romney's budget adds more to the deficit than Obama has.

Republicans have turned down all sorts of infrastructure bills which would create jobs.

You've already been shown to be poorly informed on the issues.

You're free to vote for whoever you want, but if you want people to discuss issues with you, you may want to do more research.

[Kyrodis]

Building the Keystone pipeline would create jobs. That is something Obama didn't do.
I agree to some extent. He copped out on making a decision until after the election...although given the tens of thousands of people protesting at the White House, I'm sure any politician (including Mitt) would've done exactly the same thing.

increased the unemployment rate
Yes, unemployment has gone up, and there have been policies I wish the administration had pursued more aggressively. But to be fair...it had already been skyrocketing since before 2009 and has come down steadily the past three years or so.

caused gas prices to rise
If you honestly believe the administration has any control over gas prices, then you need to learn more about economics.

added nearly 5 trillion in the debt
Again...you need to learn more about economics if you believe the government should be removing money from the private sector in the middle of recession caused by excessive household debt.

Socialism will never work!! Liberal ideology will never work! Capitalism has worked!! It can work again!
Socialism? Really? Don't allow wingnut opinion to cloud the facts. Which one of his policies has been socialist? Hint: Please don't say the health care individual mandate. Both Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich had supported the mandate in the past.

[Johndoe804]

Neither are worth wasting the time to go to the polls.

[Sweet Lou 4 2]

The quality of right wing trolls on this forum seems to diminish by the day.

It's almost as if they reflect the quality of congress itself.

[Rocketman95]

Take your own advice and look under this guys moniker.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=3913780&postcount=1

Administrator > Clutch Crew

And that was four years ago. Clutch will tell R2K if he's wrong.

[Rocketman95]

How so?

Bush didn't "repeal" a law because the Democrats told him it would work?

[JeopardE]

http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/05/new_ad_says_mitt_romney_would.html

Building the Keystone pipeline would create jobs. That is something Obama didn't do. Obama in fact has increased the unemployment rate, caused gas prices to rise, added nearly 5 trillion in the debt, and most importantly broke the constitution. He needs to go. We need new leadership, and Mitt will give that to us. Obama is tanking. Liberals can't stand this. Obama is LOSING campaign money, while Mitt is GAINING campaign money. Obama has unleashed the liberal negative attack ads, and these ads/attacks have backfired. You liberals who are too ignorant to see it need to open your eyes and realize that Obama's policies haven't work. Socialism will never work!! Liberal ideology will never work! Capitalism has worked!! It can work again!

Wow, I am floored by your overwhelmingly insightful thesis. That's it, I'm switching sides to vote for Romney. AMERICA!!!! YEAH!



It would be funny if it weren't so depressing. This is what Fox news has reduced so many people I know to: thoughtless drones spewing out one-liners like a vending machine. It's almost as though large parts of their cognitive grey matter have been cut off from blood supply and shut down altogether.

[Bandwagoner]

And that was four years ago. Clutch will tell R2K if he's wrong.

because clutch regulates everything R2K says right? R2K gave some bad info and I corrected it.

[Classic]

because clutch regulates everything R2K says right? R2K gave some bad info and I corrected it.

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[Raven]

Obama, and it's not even close.

[rhadamanthus]

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[Rocketman95]

because clutch regulates everything R2K says right? R2K gave some bad info and I corrected it.

I'm pretty sure if R2k is giving bad advice, it's up to Clutch to correct him, not you.

[Bandwagoner]

I'm pretty sure if R2k is giving bad advice, it's up to Clutch to correct him, not you.

I'm pretty sure u mad.

[Rocketman95]

I'm pretty sure u mad.

Not at all. It's fun to watch people poke R2K because his smackdowns are the only ones that rival Clutch's. Keep on keepin' on, please.

[Bandwagoner]

Not at all. It's fun to watch people poke R2K because his smackdowns are the only ones that rival Clutch's. Keep on keepin' on, please.

In what way am I "poke R2K" exactly? You are making an asinine statement that the only one on the bbs able to correct him is Clutch. R2K isn't saying anything that ridiculous, and would totally disagree. You got mad, move on.

[Rocketman95]

In what way am I "poke R2K" exactly? You are making an asinine statement that the only one on the bbs able to correct him is Clutch. R2K isn't saying anything that ridiculous, and would totally disagree. You got mad, move on.

Kid has political sig.
I tell him it's a no-no.
He tells me to hush.
R2K, an admin on this site, tells kid it's a no-no.
You tell admin he's wrong.
Kid asks who admin who he is.
I tell kid that he's an admin.
You make an irrelevant wise-ass remark about Clutch posting something four years ago about political signatures outside of D&D.
Kid changes sig.

If you are looking for someone who's mad, it's the guy questioning an admin, someone that Clutch has put in charge of assisting him in moderating this site. If R2K is wrong, Clutch should be the one to tell him, not you.

You pick the most random things about which to start a pissing match. I'd recommend getting out more.

[bigtexxx]

Obama, and it's not even close.

you need to research the issues

Obama has failed

[Bandwagoner]

You pick the most random things about which to start a pissing match. I'd recommend getting out more.

It wasn't a pissing match, you are just white knighting for R2K when he doesn't need it.

Clutch said it 4 years ago or 4 days ago, it's still the rules.

[Codman]

you need to research the issues

Obama has failed

Nah, he hasn't. If anyone has failed, it's you. It's your failure to perceive the world outside of your sheltered vision of what YOU wish America could be.

Granted, Barack has had numerous tough issues to address. Many of those came from your incompetent homeboy GWB.

If you want to be specific to the thread and choose between Mitt and Barack, examine ALL of Mitt's failures. Failed at a state level, has failed in past campaigns and he still fails to come up with logical solutions to problems. At least Obama attempts to make ground on the issues. Romney stands behind his millions and tries to discuss things that he doesn't come close to understanding or identifying with.

When Barack is re-elected, it will be another landslide. I believe in the people of America to make the best choice for all involved. It wasn't McCain and it sure isn't Mitt. Kudos to your party for choosing a weak candidate.

[Rocketman95]

It wasn't a pissing match, you are just white knighting for R2K when he doesn't need it.

Clutch said it 4 years ago or 4 days ago, it's still the rules.

Obviously not or R2K wouldn't have said it.

[thadeus]

This thread sucks.

[ima_drummer2k]

As usual, I'm going with the write-in option:

http://www.rankopedia.com/CandidatePix/25774.gif

[Rockets_Fan15]

Moderators.... please lock this thread. It's getting a bit out of hand....

[Kyrodis]

Moderators.... please lock this thread. It's getting a bit out of hand....
Before they do that...

Can you explain why running a budget surplus right now is a positive thing?

Also, can you explain how the president controls gas prices?

[bigtexxx]

As usual, I'm going with the write-in option:

Not an option since he wasn't born in the US

(although that may not be a requirement anymore)

[bnb]

I'd be more interested for him to explain how Romney's severe tax cut and military spend proposals will decrease the deficit (never mind run a surplus). His spend cuts, assuming he'd be able to implement them (esp on medicare and SS), will take a long long time to take effect. Tax cuts and spend boosts would be much more near term.

Any deficit hounds out there really don't have a dog in the race for 2012.

[Rocketman95]

I'm still perplexed by this "Bush didn't repeal something because Democrats told him it would work" argument. The time travel issues notwithstanding.

[ILoveTheRockets]

Who will you take? I am a political guy. I am choosing Mitt Romney. I would much rather have Marco Rubio running against Obama, however he isn't. I am sick and tired of the lame excuses by the Obama admin. I want jobs to be created not set aside for some non-relevant issue such as contraception. Trust me there isn't a GOP war on women. $5 trillion piled on the debt! We can't afford 4 more.

If you want jobs created, Romney or Obama or not the people for that.

Romney and Obama are both huge on private sector, which we all know, the private sector is not the best at creating mass-jobs at any point in history.

I think I'll be voting for Romney(democrat here) only because I believe he has more business side to his politics, which we may or may not need, but will IMHO benefit the American people in some other way.

As you tell from Economic evidence, the economy started bottoming out yearrrrs ago, due to heavy investments in the private sector(huge cooperations) and less investments in the public sector/unions.

Romney isn't the guy we want when it comes to creating jobs(as governor, his state has had the worst job growth since the recession)

[ILoveTheRockets]

Oh really? You do realize it was Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who caused the economic drought, right? Ever heard of the Dodd-Frank Bill? Bush tried to REPEAL that, but was told by DEMOCRATS that it would work. Look where it lead us to. I suggest looking up info instead of letting the media tell you what to think.

Clinton also tried to put major regulations in before all of that mess. Which REPUBLICANS fail to realize/ won't acknowledge.

[bnb]

wait.....you're a democrat. Think economic woes were due to private sector investment over public sector/unions. Yet Romney's your guy?

[Bandwagoner]

Obviously not or R2K wouldn't have said it.

That is an insanely high standard for a person. No one is perfect.

[ILoveTheRockets]

wait.....you're a democrat. Think economic woes were due to private sector investment over public sector/unions. Yet Romney's your guy?

Private Sector Corporations, not small business owners. Which you can compare economic stats to the public sector stats.

Since Obama has drawn the attention more so to the private sector corporations, and has let the public sector drop more than it has in a long long time, our economy dropped right along with it. The weaker our public sector is, the weaker the economy has become.

Go compare economic charts since reagan with public sector charts since reagan and it pretty much matches exactly the same.


If economy is the #1 issue, I say reworking our public sector and investment in our infrastructure is top priority. This along with rebuilding our Workers Unions to fit into a modern society that is not corrupt and jails corrupt union officials and crooked pensions managers is a step in the right direction into rejuvenating our economy backed by a solid work force that can handle dips in the economy and gives the American People a fighting chance to have a helping hand in our economic woes.

The private sector is not tailor made to mass produce jobs( Which America needs 24 million jobs in the next 3-5 years to prevent our economies bottom from busting wide open). The Public Sector/Unions can do that, IF they can restructure work forces that made this nation the most powerful nation in human history.

[bnb]

that's all cool stuff rockets. But Romney's proposing massive cuts to the public sector. And I'm doubting he's union friendly. (and Unions tend not be be small business friendly -- but that's another debate). So if the economy's number one -- and you believe unions and public sector are crucial -- he's not your guy.

If you want a smaller public sector -- and you think he can deliver on his rhetoric -- then OK. But that's not what you're saying.

[Deckard]

And that was four years ago. Clutch will tell R2K if he's wrong.
And it really doesn't matter in the slightest, because the troll who started this thread posted a nonsensical thread in the GARM today. The signature would not fly.

[ILoveTheRockets]

So if the economy's number one -- and you believe unions and public sector are crucial -- he's not your guy.

If you want a smaller public sector -- and you think he can deliver on his rhetoric -- then OK. But that's not what you're saying.

Neither is Obama...

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/BUSHvOBAMA_jobsREV.png

I guess what I AM saying, is that under Romney, we COULD or Could not have a balance between both sectors, but I fully believe Romney will bring up the balance between the two. Even if it's intentional or unintentional.

[bnb]

The signature would not fly.

all moot. Sig will be gone when he's tossed.

[bnb]

but I fully believe Romney will bring up the balance between the two. Even if it's intentional or unintentional.

Not following your logic there kimosabe. You think it's more probable to bring up the balance between the two with the guy who's explicitly said he wants to drastically reduce the public sector. And who is more philosophically against unions?

I know guys who support Romney specifically because they believe he'll reduce the public sector. You're the first who's suggested the opposite.

[ILoveTheRockets]

Not following your logic there kimosabe. You think it's more probable to bring up the balance between the two with the guy who's explicitly said he wants to drastically reduce the public sector. And who is more philosophically against unions?

I know guys who support Romney specifically because they believe he'll reduce the public sector. You're the first who's suggested the opposite.

Yes sir...

If Romney is elected President of the United States, I fully expect his tone to change concerning the private/public sector's once he gets himself engulfed with senior advisers, and economist that prove to him that his way is wrong, and one of the prime examples is his own state's work force. He won't be able to hide from the facts once in the White House. I Fully expect a 360 by Romney( which maybe an voter issue for me? voting for a guy that has changed his stance?)... either way, I don't think I can throw Democratic Support Obama's way.

[Deckard]

all moot. Sig will be gone when he's tossed.

Good point. He's already make "rookie" status. The next step is "Adios!"

[bnb]

Fair enough, rockets. You're voting for him because you think he'll do the opposite of what he's says he'll do. I really can't argue with that logic. Good luck.

[Rockets2K]

because clutch regulates everything R2K says right? R2K gave some bad info and I corrected it.

There is nothing wrong with my info, there is not one person in this forum that has been told to change their sig that posted ONLY in this sub-forum.

I checked to see if the guy posted outside this sub-forum before I posted that.
He posts in multiple forums here, therefore can not have a political sig.

You really should think more before you try to take me on vis-a-vis regarding forum rules.

[Deckard]

There is nothing wrong with my info, there is not one person in this forum that has been told to change their sig that posted ONLY in this sub-forum.

I checked to see if the guy posted outside this sub-forum before I posted that.
He posts in multiple forums here, therefore can not have a political sig.

You really should think more before you try to take me on vis-a-vis regarding forum rules.
And I sincerely hope we don't get "stuck" with him down here, R2K! :-D-

[Rockets_Fan15]

There is nothing wrong with my info, there is not one person in this forum that has been told to change their sig that posted ONLY in this sub-forum.

I checked to see if the guy posted outside this sub-forum before I posted that.
He posts in multiple forums here, therefore can not have a political sig.

You really should think more before you try to take me on vis-a-vis regarding forum rules.

I changed my signature so you guys would drop the subject, but this guy will not let it go. Thank you Rockets2K for clearing this up.

[Bandwagoner]

There is nothing wrong with my info,
You really should think more before you try to take me on vis-a-vis regarding forum rules.

There is something wrong with your info.

Change the sig, anything that is political in nature is not allowed in sigs. That is a long standing rule here.

You didn't include the caveat that you knew about. I didn't take you on, I acknowledged your post and added to it.

Only if you post outside of D&D. Otherwise political sigs are fair game.

If you think that statement is adversarial, you are reading more than what is there.

[thadeus]

Small businesses are to global corporations as goldfish are to fully-armed military battleships. They have similar contexts, but they're not even in the same order of existence.

[Rocketman95]

And it didn't disappoint!

[ILoveTheRockets]

Fair enough, rockets. You're voting for him because you think he'll do the opposite of what he's says he'll do. I really can't argue with that logic. Good luck.

No, not that he'll do the opposite, he just won't do what he says he will. And I could be totally wrong, and totally out of bounds with it. I'm not saying Romney will turn around and completely disregard the private sector and pamper the public sector.Which he would be totally wrong on doing.

What I am saying is that Romney will have more regard for the field, unlike Obama who pretty much has a total disregard, and tried to save face by offering created jobs that won't be there if re-elected. If American's top issue is the economy, I don't see how Romney can go any other way if he wants a shot at being more than a 1 term president.... if elected

[Batman Jones]

You really should think more before you try to take me on vis-a-vis regarding forum rules.

He doesn't think at all. That's why I have him on ignore. You should try it.

[Rockets2K]

He doesn't think at all. That's why I have him on ignore. You should try it.

In order to properly do my job here, I can't put anyone on ignore.

Trust me, I wish I didn't care enough to break my own rule.:(

[Batman Jones]

In order to properly do my job here, I can't put anyone on ignore.

Trust me, I wish I didn't care enough to break my own rule.:(

Bummer, man.

[Bandwagoner]

In order to properly do my job here, I can't put anyone on ignore.

Trust me, I wish I didn't care enough to break my own rule.:(

What is the deal with your response to me? I added useful (and correct) info to your post, in a polite, non-confrontational way. It is surprising to me you took it as some sort of a personal challenge.

[thadeus]

Who would win between Rockets2K and CaseyH in a steel cage match?

[Rocketman95]

What is the deal with your response to me? I added useful (and correct) info to your post, in a polite, non-confrontational way. It is surprising to me you took it as some sort of a personal challenge.

Because you never should've brought it up to begin with. You need to listen to RM95 more, man.

[Bandwagoner]

Because you never should've brought it up to begin with. You need to listen to RM95 more, man.

My posts were correct so I'm not sure why you would say that.

To me R2K's arrogant response is confusing. Yours isn't, because I poked fun at your post, but it is weird R2K has such a strong reaction to me correcting his post and taking it as a personal challenge of some kind, like anything he posts is beyond reproach. He admitted what I posted was correct, so it must be some kind of ego thing. Oh well, whats new.

[Kyrodis]

To me R2K's arrogant response is confusing. Yours isn't, because I poked fun at your post, but it is weird R2K has such a strong reaction to me correcting his post and taking it as a personal challenge of some kind, like anything he posts is beyond reproach. He admitted what I posted was correct, so it must be some kind of ego thing. Oh well, whats new.
Very few (if any) of us post exclusively in D&D. Ergo, I'm sure most people would find it perfectly rational to extrapolate the rule to extend to all signatures even if it weren't explicitly stated as such.

Nobody's saying you're wrong, but your insistence on being acknowledged for pure semantic accuracy is likely getting under folks' skins IMHO.

[Rocketman95]

My posts were correct so I'm not sure why you would say that.

To me R2K's arrogant response is confusing. Yours isn't, because I poked fun at your post, but it is weird R2K has such a strong reaction to me correcting his post and taking it as a personal challenge of some kind, like anything he posts is beyond reproach. He admitted what I posted was correct, so it must be some kind of ego thing. Oh well, whats new.

You're like a 5-year-old who doesn't understand why teacher is upset after you ask them why they should tell another kid to stop talking during class.

[Bandwagoner]

Nobody's saying you're wrong, but your insistence on being acknowledged for pure semantic accuracy is likely getting under folks' skins IMHO.

People were saying I was wrong, and even more wrong to have the audacity to correct a post of R2K (lol wut). That's fine as people are often confrontational here, but then R2K stepped in and seemed offended for some comical reason.


You're like a 5-year-old who doesn't understand why teacher is upset after you ask them why they should tell another kid to stop talking during class.
That doesn't even make sense. I didn't undermine or confront anyone. I just corrected a post and then added a helpful link.

[Kyrodis]

People were saying I was wrong, and even more wrong to have the audacity to correct a post of R2K (lol wut). That's fine as people are often confrontational here, but then R2K stepped in and seemed offended for some comical reason.
Seemed more like you were saying everyone else was wrong by not including the "if you post outside the D&D" caveat.

But hey...ain't nothing wrong with interpreting the situation your way. We all see things through different colored glasses.

[Rockets2K]

don't flatter yourself Casey.

I was/am not mad at all. If you read arrogant, that's you putting something into it that wasn't there.

I didn't mention the caveat you are busy patting yourself on the back over pointing out because I knew it didn't apply to him. Therefore, it doesn't matter if Clutch said that 4 years ago because there is no such animal as someone who solely posts in here.

I'm done with this, I've made my position abundantly clear and have given you more of an explanation than ANY mod here would normally do.

[Bandwagoner]

don't flatter yourself Casey.

I was/am not mad at all. If you read arrogant, that's you putting something into it that wasn't there.

I didn't mention the caveat you are busy patting yourself on the back over pointing out because I knew it didn't apply to him. Therefore, it doesn't matter if Clutch said that 4 years ago because there is no such animal as someone who solely posts in here.

I'm done with this, I've made my position abundantly clear and have given you more of an explanation than ANY mod here would normally do.

No other mod would take anything I said as a one-on-one battle of BBS rules. I'm not patting myself on the back for anything, I'm defending myself from Groog acting like I just lost faith in Jesus or something.

You really should think more before you try to take me on vis-a-vis regarding forum rules.

This is an arrogant, ego driven, 'Though shalt not' line, that is actually comical. I never said you were mad, I'm not either, just confused. I'm not even sure what problem you have with me, but it's laughable to say I challenged you in some way. Whatever

[Hightop]

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