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Yonkers
12-02-2011, 12:08 PM
http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/courier/news/thanksgiving-brings-arrest-of-spring-woman-in-teen-nephew-s/article_18c09ea3-6fa3-5804-b509-48b19e9be461.html

A Spring woman is under arrest after relatives caught her allegedly having sex with her 15-year-old nephew Thanksgiving Day, officials said.

Amanda Billiris, 23, has been charged with sexual assault of a child, a second-degree felony. If convicted, she faces two to 20 years in prison, according to the Texas Penal Code.

Montgomery County Sheriffís patrol deputies arrested Billaris at a home on Oakridge Forest Lane after relatives witnessed her allegedly having sexual intercourse with the boy, her brotherís son, the arrest report states.

Billaris has bonded out of the Montgomery County Jail. The investigation continues, MCSO Lt. Dan Norris stated in an e-mail to The Courier.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QvSi3BrEMBA/R-WBbzLhbyI/AAAAAAAACZo/JwOrdozkEWE/s400/incestgame.jpg

Here is here mug shot... meh... but not bad
http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/yourhoustonnews.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/2/7c/27c738ea-cb5a-568f-922d-4b631caf92f7/4ed8184944c13.image.jpg

But check Facebook. :eek:

https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/372062_514436277_1965584434_n.jpg

javal_lon
12-02-2011, 12:15 PM
Hope she dont get off easy.... Im sure the boy said otherwise:grin:

boomboom
12-02-2011, 12:16 PM
I need to get a second ruling on this one...

crazy eyes?


Imma lean towards yes. Especially based on the matter at hand.

tested911
12-02-2011, 12:17 PM
It's going to be very awkward during those family holiday parties :grin:

Raven
12-02-2011, 12:17 PM
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:confused:

RocketBlood
12-02-2011, 12:17 PM
I like these kind of plots when streaming porn.

juicystream
12-02-2011, 12:19 PM
I'm still going with

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Royals Ego
12-02-2011, 12:20 PM
/r/incest

javal_lon
12-02-2011, 12:20 PM
I remember growin up havin lil crushes on my aunts ,by marriage.... But never reciprocated....Damn that young kid has game...smh

StupidMoniker
12-02-2011, 12:37 PM
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e238/StupidMoniker/randyaunt.jpg

moestavern19
12-02-2011, 12:47 PM
Nothing wrong with a little extra stuffing.

ashiin
12-02-2011, 12:51 PM
At least the boy had fun amirite.

across110thstreet
12-02-2011, 01:00 PM
that's one heck of a twisted family tree!

but in all seriousness, there has got to be more abuse in the family, I wouldn't be surprised if the older brother (uncle) had molested the little sister (aunt) growing up.

I remember growin up havin lil crushes on my aunts ,by marriage.... But never reciprocated....Damn that young kid has game...smh

thanks for sharing javal_lon!

javal_lon
12-02-2011, 01:04 PM
thanks for sharing javal_lon!

No prob , Dr. Fil

Prince
12-02-2011, 01:04 PM
Incest is nicest.

across110thstreet
12-02-2011, 01:07 PM
No prob , Dr. Filanonymous rep: "you too?"

BWAHAHAHAHA

ROXTXIA
12-02-2011, 01:19 PM
"Happy Thanksgiving. More turkey, Jakey?"

"Thanks, Aunt Amanda."

"How bout some squirrel?"

"Squirrel? Ha ha, ha ha........OH S**T, what the hell...."

GRENDEL
12-02-2011, 01:22 PM
Last known photo of teen....


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leroy
12-02-2011, 01:26 PM
Figures it was in Oak Ridge. Bunch of hicks on that side of the freeway.

Blurr#7
12-02-2011, 01:29 PM
Hellooo?? Thanksgiving is a family get together!!

weslinder
12-02-2011, 01:46 PM
Dumb question: She was charged with sexual assault of a child. Why wasn't she also charged with incest? Is that still illegal? Do they enforce it?

moestavern19
12-02-2011, 01:52 PM
Dumb question: She was charged with sexual assault of a child. Why wasn't she also charged with incest? Is that still illegal? Do they enforce it?

If they get married does he become his own uncle?

REEKO_HTOWN
12-02-2011, 01:55 PM
These people pale in comparison to the Vangers

GRENDEL
12-02-2011, 02:00 PM
If they get married does he become his own uncle?

Could be worse, you could be your own grandfather.....

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VanityHalfBlack
12-02-2011, 02:14 PM
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e238/StupidMoniker/randyaunt.jpg

I love her in this video...

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LCII
12-02-2011, 02:18 PM
I could never even bring myself to think about doing an aunt...then again, if ur aunt is only 23 years old with a NICE rack and passable face...

Fyreball
12-02-2011, 02:31 PM
I remember growin up havin lil crushes on my aunts ,by marriage.... But never reciprocated....Damn that young kid has game...smh

http://gifs.gifbin.com/1238584287_seinfeld_had_enough.gif

juicystream
12-02-2011, 02:35 PM
I could never even bring myself to think about doing an aunt...then again, if ur aunt is only 23 years old with a NICE rack and passable face...

I would do his aunt.

RV6
12-02-2011, 02:40 PM
I could never even bring myself to think about doing an aunt...then again, if ur aunt is only 23 years old with a NICE rack and passable face...


And your dad's sister?? ?

lue03
12-02-2011, 03:02 PM
Technically your not consider an aunt if youíre less than 10 years apart right?

lue03
12-02-2011, 03:04 PM
Dumb question: She was charged with sexual assault of a child. Why wasn't she also charged with incest? Is that still illegal? Do they enforce it?

Maybe she was adopted or maybe he was? Or it could go deeper than this. What if this aunt somehow discovered that his brotherís wife/GF cheated on him and it was not his kid. And in a way to get back at her she would use this kid only as a tool to get revenge on this cheating woman. Because it canít possibly be as simple as both of them ending up in a room together and one thing just led to another right?

Yonkers
12-02-2011, 03:05 PM
Technically your not consider an aunt if youíre less than 10 years apart right?

Huh? Say what? Where did you get this definition?
So what do I call my youngest aunt, who is 24 years younger than my mom, and only a couple years older than me?

tierre_brown
12-02-2011, 03:07 PM
Huh? Say what? Where did you get this definition?
So what do I call my youngest aunt, who is 24 years younger than my mom, and only a couple years older than me?

According to this family, your girlfriend

SpiffyRifi
12-02-2011, 03:15 PM
Dumb question: She was charged with sexual assault of a child. Why wasn't she also charged with incest? Is that still illegal? Do they enforce it?

The crime is Prohibited Sexual Conduct and it is fairly rare that it is charged. Sexual Assault of a Child is much more common and carries a higher punishment range. She could be charged with that as well, but it seems as though they have a pretty solid sexual assault case (if she was really caught in the act) so I don't think they'd bother.

tmoney1101
12-02-2011, 03:17 PM
Could be worse, you could be your own grandfather.....

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"i have done the nasty in the pasty"

juicystream
12-02-2011, 03:18 PM
Huh? Say what? Where did you get this definition?
So what do I call my youngest aunt, who is 24 years younger than my mom, and only a couple years older than me?

Free game?

javal_lon
12-02-2011, 03:19 PM
Huh? Say what? Where did you get this definition?
So what do I call my youngest aunt, who is 24 years younger than my mom, and only a couple years older than me?

practice

stipendlax
12-02-2011, 03:29 PM
"i have done the nasty in the pasty"

Grandma: You remind me of Enos. Would you mind walking me home?
Fry: Uh, how far is it?

DonkeyMagic
12-02-2011, 04:43 PM
closer the kin, the further it goes in

htownrox1
12-02-2011, 04:46 PM
Guys, y'all know if she came on to you, you'd **** her too.

SuperBeeKay
12-02-2011, 04:46 PM
closer the kin, the further it goes in
reminds me of joe dirt

mrm32
12-02-2011, 04:58 PM
And your dad's sister?? ?

Or your dad's brother's wife.

Cowboy_Bebop
12-02-2011, 05:32 PM
20 years in prison? American system are ****ing retarded.

Dei
12-02-2011, 05:33 PM
That's 23? Looks like 30+.

I have to admit also being tempted by the forbidden fruit. I've got several hot cousins.

Cowboy_Bebop
12-02-2011, 05:38 PM
And another thing is that why is this being public and destroy people lives? Why can't they handle this behind closed doors?

CCorn
12-02-2011, 05:52 PM
And another thing is that why is this being public and destroy people lives? Why can't they handle this behind closed doors?

Because behind closed doors might be more family members boning...

SpiffyRifi
12-02-2011, 07:27 PM
20 years in prison? American system are ****ing retarded.

You do realize that 20 years it the maximum punishment for the crime of sexual assault of a child and not what she is going to get right? That covers all sexual assault of children 13-16...not just a boy having sex with his aunt. Even if you don't feel like this case warrants 20 years, certainly there must be some sexual assault of a child case where you'd think 20 years was appropriate, but then again you are also the person who said crimes like this should stay behind closed doors...

macalu
12-02-2011, 07:50 PM
eh, we're all related.

RV6
12-02-2011, 07:50 PM
Or your dad's brother's wife.

but that's not the story here...it says the guy was her brother's kid....that's blood....doing your uncle's wife is not the same thing. That's like comparing sleeping with your sister to sleeping with your brother's girl.

macalu
12-02-2011, 07:51 PM
this reminds me of the blue fugates.

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/offbeat-news/blue-fugates-real-life-smurfs/5313

Yonkers
12-02-2011, 08:12 PM
And another thing is that why is this being public and destroy people lives? Why can't they handle this behind closed doors?

Yeah. Why do they make sexual predators sign a registry? They should be able to live next to me without me knowing. Surely sending my kid over to borrow a cup of sugar would be no problem.

TheFreak
12-02-2011, 08:16 PM
http://www.contactmusic.com/videoimages/sbmg/motley-crue-smokin-in-the-boys-room.jpg

Cowboy_Bebop
12-02-2011, 08:22 PM
Yeah. Why do they make sexual predators sign a registry? They should be able to live next to me without me knowing. Surely sending my kid over to borrow a cup of sugar would be no problem.
Wow are you ****ing retarded? Lets put your face and name all over the news when you are some how innocent or something people regret what they did. Did she raped the 15yr old boy and force him and beat him to have sex? There are time when a person information should be leak to the public but this does not warrant that. Way to **** up a person lives. Another thing is that you don't know anything about 15 years old boys nowadays.

Yonkers
12-02-2011, 08:27 PM
Wow are you ****ing retarded? Lets put your face and name all over the news when you are some how innocent or something people regret what they did. Did she raped the 15yr old boy and force him and beat him to have sex? There are time when a person information should be leak to the public but this does not warrant that. Way to **** up a person lives. Another thing is that you don't know anything about 15 years old boys nowadays.

You're right, you're right. Everyone knows it only rape when it's a girl. And only when they say no. Like 3-4 times first. Guys all want it so how can it be rape. It should be high fives all around.

Kim
12-02-2011, 08:49 PM
You're right, you're right. Everyone knows it only rape when it's a girl. And only when they say no. Like 3-4 times first. Guys all want it so how can it be rape. It should be high fives all around.

There is a legit argument against the double standard, but you can't completely discount the fact that in most cases the male is doing the pwning and the female is getting pwned. Of course it's still wrong, but it's not exactly the same.

QdoubleA
12-02-2011, 09:12 PM
Wow are you ****ing retarded? Lets put your face and name all over the news when you are some how innocent or something people regret what they did. Did she raped the 15yr old boy and force him and beat him to have sex? There are time when a person information should be leak to the public but this does not warrant that. Way to **** up a person lives. Another thing is that you don't know anything about 15 years old boys nowadays.

Is he...are you...defending a child rapist?

VanityHalfBlack
12-02-2011, 09:30 PM
If you are a 15 yr old dude and you were caught banging your aunt, then that is nothing to brag or feel proud of... In this boy's case, he will be scarred for life and never allowed at the Thanksgiving table ever again... He will not look at the turkey the same way ever again..
Now if you were a 15 yr old boy and banged a 30 something yr old chick and have not been caught, then what you do is wait until you're an adult in a zombie apocalypse and then u can brag about it but make sure you do it while hunting in the backwoods looking for a little girl name Sophia and try not to piss of a flaccid cop named, 'Rick.'

Cowboy_Bebop
12-02-2011, 09:39 PM
Is he...are you...defending a child rapist?

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2009/02/Alfiebaby.jpg

Gutter Snipe
12-02-2011, 09:41 PM
Is he...are you...defending a child rapist?

That's a BS question. We've extended the definition of rape way too far and you are deliberately stating it in a manner that doesn't reflect the reality of the case. Nor is he a child at 15. He's a minor.

Rape should have one meaning: sexual assault involving penetration of an unwilling victim.

Clearly not the case here.

Is it molestation of a minor? Yes.

Would I have welcomed her "molesting" me when I was 15? Absolutely.

Where does that leave us as a society? Should she be treated just like all other child predators? That doesn't seem quite right. If convicted, she will be treated worse by society than a murderer.

It seems like in this situation, her crime is more like providing alcohol to a minor. Wait x number of years, and he's allowed to have it. If she was six years younger, it would have been okay as well. (ignore the aunt part). It all seems so arbitrary.

Cowboy_Bebop
12-02-2011, 09:43 PM
That's a BS question. We've extended the definition of rape way too far and you are deliberately stating it in a manner that doesn't reflect the reality of the case. Nor is he a child at 15. He's a minor.

Rape should have one meaning: sexual assault involving penetration of an unwilling victim.

Clearly not the case here.

Is it molestation of a minor? Yes.

Would I have welcomed her "molesting" me when I was 15? Absolutely.

Where does that leave us as a society? Should she be treated just like all other child predators? That doesn't seem quite right. If convicted, she will be treated worse by society than a murderer.

It seems like in this situation, her crime is more like providing alcohol to a minor. Wait x number of years, and he's allowed to have it. If she was six years younger, it would have been okay as well. (ignore the aunt part). It all seems so arbitrary.

Ding ding. Someone with a common sense finally spoke up.

Yonkers
12-02-2011, 09:50 PM
Rape should have one meaning: sexual assault involving penetration of an unwilling victim..

Willing. Consenting. The law is pretty clear on the matter. Minors can not consent. There is no mincing of words. It is rape. It is statutory rape.

Would you feel the same if it was your 15-year old son? Would you call the cops or high five him?

Also, the Chronicle reports this started when he was 13. Still high fiving?

QdoubleA
12-02-2011, 10:07 PM
That's a BS question. We've extended the definition of rape way too far and you are deliberately stating it in a manner that doesn't reflect the reality of the case. Nor is he a child at 15. He's a minor.

Rape should have one meaning: sexual assault involving penetration of an unwilling victim.

Clearly not the case here.

Is it molestation of a minor? Yes.

Would I have welcomed her "molesting" me when I was 15? Absolutely.

Where does that leave us as a society? Should she be treated just like all other child predators? That doesn't seem quite right. If convicted, she will be treated worse by society than a murderer.

It seems like in this situation, her crime is more like providing alcohol to a minor. Wait x number of years, and he's allowed to have it. If she was six years younger, it would have been okay as well. (ignore the aunt part). It all seems so arbitrary.

What? This is the literal definition of rape. Having sex with a minor is rape, it doesn't matter if he was all for it, it doesn't matter if you would have enjoyed it when you were his age. Because you would have welcomed it it's ok? To say that age should have no place in the definition of rape is foolish. Don't try to turn around and say "well of course X years old is too young" , you can't have it both ways.

Pizza_Da_Hut
12-02-2011, 10:40 PM
Wait... Hot women can't rape men. It's not physically possible...

bullardfan
12-02-2011, 11:01 PM
doesnt rape mean you forced someone to have sex with you? and 15 is hardly a child. think back to when you were a 15 years old (guys). you would screw anything and everything if you could.

RV6
12-02-2011, 11:09 PM
Don't a lot of kids consent to being molested/abused?? Just because he's older and a guy doesn't mean it works any differently than it would with a 5 year old kid. It works the same. You have an older, more experienced person, usually an adult, who uses that to make the victim believe it's ok to consent. They may think it's weird and/or wrong, but they feel like the adult or "wiser" person knows better than they do.

The brain's ability to reason isn't fully developed until the early 20s. Sure, it's more likely a teenage male would consent, even with all the knowledge in the world, but consenting shouldn't automatically take a rape charge off the table.

ascaptjack
12-02-2011, 11:14 PM
doesnt rape mean you forced someone to have sex with you? and 15 is hardly a child. think back to when you were a 15 years old (guys). you would screw anything and everything if you could.

Double Standard.

What if it was a 23 year old Uncle who had sex with his 15 year old niece?

Ender120
12-02-2011, 11:20 PM
How have y'all turned this into an argument about how old is old enough for a boy not to be considered raped, instead of focusing on the fact that he was banging a close blood relative?

The aunt was arrested at the house after they got caught.

Do you know what that means?

It means that the family called the cops.

If the family were somehow cool with it, I guess I could kinda understand you guys defending this, but that's very clearly not the case.

Cowboy_Bebop: You should probably stop calling people "****ing retarded" right before you say ridiculously ignorant things. It looks bad on you. It also sounds like maybe you have a dog in this fight and you're taking it personally.

Why isn't this being handled behind closed doors? I don't know, because the media got wind of it? Same as any other case in which an older woman bangs a minor.

If you don't want people to know you screwed your nephew, you should probably refrain from screwing your nephew. At the very least, don't get caught because you screwed him at the Thanksgiving dinner the rest of the family was also attending.

She deserves to have her name in the papers and her life ruined.

Not because she took sexual advantage of an underaged boy, but because she took sexual advantage of an underaged FAMILY MEMBER.

Did the kid want it? Did he know what he was getting into? Doesn't matter in the least.

The aunt is 23, that's old enough to know not to knock boots with your family.

Cowboy_Bebop
12-02-2011, 11:41 PM
How have y'all turned this into an argument about how old is old enough for a boy not to be considered raped, instead of focusing on the fact that he was banging a close blood relative?

The aunt was arrested at the house after they got caught.

Do you know what that means?

It means that the family called the cops.

If the family were somehow cool with it, I guess I could kinda understand you guys defending this, but that's very clearly not the case.

Cowboy_Bebop: You should probably stop calling people "****ing retarded" right before you say ridiculously ignorant things. It looks bad on you. It also sounds like maybe you have a dog in this fight and you're taking it personally.

Why isn't this being handled behind closed doors? I don't know, because the media got wind of it? Same as any other case in which an older woman bangs a minor.

If you don't want people to know you screwed your nephew, you should probably refrain from screwing your nephew. At the very least, don't get caught because you screwed him at the Thanksgiving dinner the rest of the family was also attending.

She deserves to have her name in the papers and her life ruined.

Not because she took sexual advantage of an underaged boy, but because she took sexual advantage of an underaged FAMILY MEMBER.

Did the kid want it? Did he know what he was getting into? Doesn't matter in the least.

The aunt is 23, that's old enough to know not to knock boots with your family.

Any idiots who think a 13-15 yrs old boys are innocent need to get out more or get their head check. Maybe she need therapy and maybe she is even a decent human being who might have been regretful of what she did. How the **** are you suppose to fix people up when you screw them up and embarrassed them even before going through the whole assessment? Situation like this should be handle with care instead of carelessness on the family part. Now friends, neighbors ect all know this because of of rush judgement.

QdoubleA
12-02-2011, 11:57 PM
Any idiots who think a 13-15 yrs old boys are innocent need to get out more or get their head check.

You think it's ok for a grown woman to have sex with a 13 year old, and keep calling people idiots? You are a piece of trash. Hell yea 13 year olds have dirty minds but where in the f#$# in your head do you reason out that that means they are ready to engage in sexual activity, much less sexual activity with an adult. If that's really what you think then go jump off a bridge. As far as the story being reported, you don't want to end up on the local news, don't bang underage family members.

Dei
12-02-2011, 11:59 PM
Any idiots who think a 13-15 yrs old boys are innocent need to get out more or get their head check. Maybe she need therapy and maybe she is even a decent human being who might have been regretful of what she did. How the **** are you suppose to fix people up when you screw them up and embarrassed them even before going through the whole assessment? Situation like this should be handle with care instead of carelessness on the family part. Now friends, neighbors ect all know this because of of rush judgement.

That's reasonable but you're demonizing the legal course too much.

The punishment's pretty malleable, as is, 2-20 years and you might even get off the hook if you're proven crazy. Making such an offense available to public knowledge is in public interest.

Ender120
12-03-2011, 12:02 AM
Any idiots who think a 13-15 yrs old boys are innocent need to get out more or get their head check. Maybe she need therapy and maybe she is even a decent human being who might have been regretful of what she did. How the **** are you suppose to fix people up when you screw them up and embarrassed them even before going through the whole assessment? Situation like this should be handle with care instead of carelessness on the family part. Now friends, neighbors ect all know this because of of rush judgement.

I don't think a single person in here has called teenage boys innocent. They have said that minors are incapable of giving proper and informed consent to sexual activity, which seems to be supported by the fact that he decided to bang his aunt while his family was in the next room.

As long as we're playing the maybe game, maybe she's a terrible person who feels no remorse at all and can't wait to get out so she can screw her nephew some more.

The issue isn't that the aunt is being "screwed up" by getting caught and arrested. She was probably already screwed up. You want her to get therapy and help. That's good. Getting caught is the first step in that direction. If she doesn't get caught, this likely goes on for years until she ends up pregnant and things are really beyond repair.

I don't know how you expected the family to react when they walked in on the boy ball-deep in his dad's sister. Should they have asked him to pull his pants up and then sat down to have a heart-to-heart?

The woman was doing something illegal and immoral. You can usually get away with doing one or the other, but both is pretty indefensible. Sorry if the woman is going to have to go through some embarrassment over this, but she asked for it.

SpiffyRifi
12-03-2011, 12:08 AM
doesnt rape mean you forced someone to have sex with you? and 15 is hardly a child. think back to when you were a 15 years old (guys). you would screw anything and everything if you could.

so if you there was a promiscuous girl at 15 who had sex numerous times, who willingly (I won't say consensually because minors can't consent) had sex with an adult man - you would be fine with that? If you can't say yes to that, your argument has no merit. And if you can say yes to that...the FBI may want to take a look at you.

Dei
12-03-2011, 12:17 AM
The woman was doing something illegal and immoral. You can usually get away with doing one or the other, but both is pretty indefensible. Sorry if the woman is going to have to go through some embarrassment over this, but she asked for it.

Illegally, yes, but laws are made by man and, morally, it's pretty gray. Some people mature earlier.

Cowboy's just on the end that wants to work it out privately.

Cowboy_Bebop
12-03-2011, 12:18 AM
You think it's ok for a grown woman to have sex with a 13 year old, and keep calling people idiots? You are a piece of trash. Hell yea 13 year olds have dirty minds but where in the f#$# in your head do you reason out that that means they are ready to engage in sexual activity, much less sexual activity with an adult. If that's really what you think then go jump off a bridge. As far as the story being reported, you don't want to end up on the local news, don't bang underage family members.

Who the **** said it was ok? Let say you, a nice person who haven't done anything wrong but got caught masturbating to a bestiality or gay sex. How would you feel if you're face is plastered all over the news for that? This is no forcibly rape at all and a person identity should not be destroy until proven other wise. All I saying is that an innocent person life could be destroy from something that is fixable.

And yes any "idiots" who think this boy is mentally destroyed is a joke. His life now will be destroyed for idiots parents for dragging it out into the publics.

Ender120
12-03-2011, 12:29 AM
Illegally, yes, but laws are made by man and, morally, it's pretty gray. Some people mature earlier.

Cowboy's just on the end that wants to work it out privately.

I'll agree that bringing morality into this makes things a little more gray, since morals vary so widely between nations and cultures.

However, incest (which, again, is the real issue here, not age of consent) is generally frowned upon.

mrm32
12-03-2011, 12:31 AM
but that's not the story here...it says the guy was her brother's kid....that's blood....doing your uncle's wife is not the same thing. That's like comparing sleeping with your sister to sleeping with your brother's girl.

My bad. I missed that part. Then yea, thats pretty disgusting.

Dei
12-03-2011, 12:34 AM
Who the **** said it was ok? Let say you, a nice person who haven't done anything wrong but got caught masturbating to a bestiality or gay sex. How would you feel if you're face is plastered all over the news for that? That's not a fair analogy. The people affected by my actions are limited to myself in that scenario.
This is no forcibly rape at all and a person identity should not be destroy until proven other wise.


This'll be done in court.

All I saying is that an innocent person life could be destroy from something that is fixable.


If you're referring to the adult, no way in hell can she be innocent with the presumption that she knows the law.


And yes any "idiots" who think this boy is mentally destroyed is a joke. His life now will be destroyed for idiots parents for dragging it out into the publics.

He could be more ****ed up if they didn't.

Rocket River
12-03-2011, 12:43 AM
That's a BS question. We've extended the definition of rape way too far and you are deliberately stating it in a manner that doesn't reflect the reality of the case. Nor is he a child at 15. He's a minor.

Rape should have one meaning: sexual assault involving penetration of an unwilling victim.

Clearly not the case here.

Is it molestation of a minor? Yes.

Would I have welcomed her "molesting" me when I was 15? Absolutely.

Where does that leave us as a society? Should she be treated just like all other child predators? That doesn't seem quite right. If convicted, she will be treated worse by society than a murderer.

It seems like in this situation, her crime is more like providing alcohol to a minor. Wait x number of years, and he's allowed to have it. If she was six years younger, it would have been okay as well. (ignore the aunt part). It all seems so arbitrary.


Simple Question. Switch the genders
15 year old NEICE and 23 year old uncle.
All Consentual

Does your opinion stay the same?

Rocket River

Yonkers
12-03-2011, 12:46 AM
I'll reiterate. This started when he was 13. And she's admitted to having sex, so there's really not much to 'prove' in court. The only discrepancy is she says he approached her whereas he says she approached him. Which to me doesn't mean a thing one way or the other.
A little 9 year old girl can have a crush on her 22 year old 4th grade teacher, but that doesn't mean it's okay for him to have sex with her just because she's 'willing'.

rockbox
12-03-2011, 12:52 AM
Simple Question. Switch the genders
15 year old NEICE and 23 year old uncle.
All Consentual

Does your opinion stay the same?

Rocket River

No, but boys and girls are different. If you don't realize that then I don't know what to say. I can tell you that when I was 13-25, there was no way any decent looking woman could have "victimized" me unless they got me to impregnate them or gave me a disease. I wouldn't have screwed my aunt, but if I decided to, I wouldn't have been a victim.

Cowboy_Bebop
12-03-2011, 01:00 AM
Simple Question. Switch the genders
15 year old NEICE and 23 year old uncle.
All Consentual

Does your opinion stay the same?

Rocket River

Rocket River, what is more possible and more damaging as a straight male?

1."I got raped by a woman!"
2."I got raped by a man!"

Fyreball
12-03-2011, 01:16 AM
Also, could she not have been his Aunt through marriage? I understand that he's still a minor, and that it was illegal no matter what, but doesn't that change the ickyness factor a little bit?? I'm not sure if it was stated or not, but something tells me the article deliberately leaves that tidbit of info open-ended so that you as the reader assume the complete worst....

Yonkers
12-03-2011, 01:21 AM
Also, could she not have been his Aunt through marriage? I understand that he's still a minor, and that it was illegal no matter what, but doesn't that change the ickyness factor a little bit?? I'm not sure if it was stated or not, but something tells me the article deliberately leaves that tidbit of info open-ended so that you as the reader assume the complete worst....

The article states it pretty clearly

sexual intercourse with the boy, her brotherís son

CourtOfDreams
12-03-2011, 01:28 AM
would tap

Depressio
12-03-2011, 01:45 AM
https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/372062_514436277_1965584434_n.jpg

http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/images/YvEN9.png

Ender120
12-03-2011, 02:04 AM
Read that Amanda Billiris suffered a severe head injury in a car accident back in 2009.

2009 was two years ago, Billiris has been messing with her 15 year-old nephew since he was 13. Math adds up.

I have read that head injuries can cause people to molest others.

Apparently, it's bad to damage the part of the brain that makes good decisions and stops you from doing things you know are wrong.

Just wanted to drop off that bit of information and say that if that is the case here, I hope she gets the help she needs.

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2011/12/amanda_billiris_police_relativ.php

across110thstreet
12-03-2011, 03:00 AM
Who the **** said it was ok? Let say you, a nice person who haven't done anything wrong but got caught masturbating to a bestiality or gay sex. How would you feel if you're face is plastered all over the news for that? This is no forcibly rape at all and a person identity should not be destroy until proven other wise. All I saying is that an innocent person life could be destroy from something that is fixable.

And yes any "idiots" who think this boy is mentally destroyed is a joke. His life now will be destroyed for idiots parents for dragging it out into the publics.

wtf dude? getting caught masturbating to gay sex or beastiality? that means you would have been caught in public, which would make you some sort of deviant at the least.

depending on the location of your deed would depend on whether you were a sex offender or not.

and yes, it would be highly frowned upon by society.

Another thing is that you don't know anything about 15 years old boys nowadays.

uhhhh, do you have some inside scoop on 15 year old boys nowadays?

something that 95% of the board doesn't know having gone through a normal adolescence ourselves?

there is something seriously twisted about your logic here, and anyone who always defends the teenage kid in a situation like these.

Invisible Fan
12-03-2011, 04:25 AM
That's a BS question. We've extended the definition of rape way too far and you are deliberately stating it in a manner that doesn't reflect the reality of the case. Nor is he a child at 15. He's a minor.

Rape should have one meaning: sexual assault involving penetration of an unwilling victim.

Clearly not the case here.

Is it molestation of a minor? Yes.

Would I have welcomed her "molesting" me when I was 15? Absolutely.


Do you want to be known as the dude who porked his aunt?

shastarocket
12-03-2011, 05:09 AM
Read that Amanda Billiris suffered a severe head injury in a car accident back in 2009.

Just wanted to drop off that bit of information and say that if that is the case here, I hope she gets the help she needs.

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2011/12/amanda_billiris_police_relativ.php

Excellent, excellent, excellent point!

This reminds me of an article by one of the leaders in Neuroscience, Baylor College of Medicine's Dr. Eagleman:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/07/the-brain-on-trial/8520/

It is an excellent read and explores a lot more than just the medical and scientific angle to crime and punishment.

Damion Laverne
12-03-2011, 05:34 AM
REDNECKS!

Dubious
12-03-2011, 06:07 AM
It's the Holidays, people spose to be horny.

t_mac1
12-03-2011, 10:06 AM
She was HAPPY to GIVE, and he was THANKful he ate out :grin:

KingCheetah
12-03-2011, 10:25 AM
American system are ****ing retarded.

Wow are you ****ing retarded?

What's got you so riled up -- is Manny Pacquiao married to his aunt?

Rocket River
12-03-2011, 11:28 AM
No, but boys and girls are different. If you don't realize that then I don't know what to say. I can tell you that when I was 13-25, there was no way any decent looking woman could have "victimized" me unless they got me to impregnate them or gave me a disease. I wouldn't have screwed my aunt, but if I decided to, I wouldn't have been a victim.


But I thought we were all equal.
Why are treating girls like victims etc.
Can they not like a older hot guy?
Can they not want to get their grove on with their hot teacher?

Why not? Why are you limiting these girls?

Rocket River

conundrum
12-03-2011, 12:31 PM
After reading this thread I now see where some of the Texas stereotypes come from.

VanityHalfBlack
12-03-2011, 12:49 PM
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Pole
12-03-2011, 12:51 PM
Oh MY God! She forced her way around my flaccid child penis!

Pizza_Da_Hut
12-03-2011, 12:51 PM
Proven science fact here: women are incapable of three things: sexual harassment, rape and serial killing. Look it up people, they did studies on this.

CCorn
12-03-2011, 01:08 PM
More importantly!!!

Has anyone poked her on facebook yet?

Ender120
12-03-2011, 02:17 PM
More importantly!!!

Has anyone poked her on facebook yet?

I only found the article about her accident because I was looking for her facebook.

Pretty sure they took it down.

Fyreball
12-03-2011, 02:17 PM
The article states it pretty clearly

Oops, correct you are. I guess working a 60+ hour work week took its toll. However, the head trauma seems to have a fair bit to do with it. Still not justifying it though....that's pretty sick.

rockbox
12-03-2011, 02:49 PM
But I thought we were all equal.
Why are treating girls like victims etc.
Can they not like a older hot guy?
Can they not want to get their grove on with their hot teacher?

Why not? Why are you limiting these girls?

Rocket River

We have equal rights, equal protection and should have equal opportunity but we are not all the same. To think we are is just naive. Circumstances matter and being a horny teen boy makes a difference in the case.

The Hunted
12-03-2011, 03:12 PM
But..but... SHE'S HOT!!!!! That alone should give her the right to carry on an incestuous relationship with her underage nephew.

Rocket River
12-03-2011, 10:24 PM
We have equal rights, equal protection and should have equal opportunity but we are not all the same. To think we are is just naive. Circumstances matter and being a horny teen boy makes a difference in the case.



I will say this in all seriousness.
1. Being able to statutory rape a kid seems to be a privilege of HOT WOMEN
If a man or an unattractive woman does it. . . then it is a crime.
2. We on the board and men in general . . . once again are being paternalistic
Women get horny too. Even young ones. Why is it ok for a horny 15 yr boy
to get his freak on with a 23 yr old. but a horny 15 yr girl . . . she cannot
go out and freak up her 23 yr old.
We say . . .well it is different? how so? I think the difference is mainly
we are men and we want to think it is different. we want to think
OUR BOYS CAN HANDLE IT but Our girls are delicate fragile little flowers.
I think the truth is. . . both are in the middle and no adult should be touching either

If you have a Horny Teen Boy
and a Horny Teen Girl
Why is ok for one to . . . uhm . .. releive themselves and not the other?

Rocket River

Royals Ego
12-03-2011, 10:47 PM
Roses are red
Violets are blue
We're having sex
Because I'm stronger than you

Kim
12-03-2011, 11:23 PM
Rocket River, you do have a point. And you've made that point many times in the past. This case is a little different because in our culture (and personally) we find incest to be gross. But incest out of it and I see the validity of your point.

The thing is, you have to accept that there's a difference. Psychologically, the double standard is unfair because there is a similar old-taking-advantage-of-young theme, whether the older person is male or female. Our laws have set guidelines regarding the age of consent (sometimes 18, 17, or 16).

That said, as I and others have stated before. There has to be weight given to the absolute fact that the male is doing the pummeling and the female is being pummeled. That's just the anatomy of it. I believe that has to be taken into account. And that's why I believe it's worse for a older man to do that to say a 16yr old girl than an older woman to do that to a 16yr old boy. I think a more fair analogy would be a hot older woman convincing a 16 yr old boy to be butt boned by a strap-on that she's wearing. That's apples to apples. The chick is still hot, but I'm sure the vast majority of guys would find that equally appalling to a man taking advantage of a 16yr old girl.

DaDakota
12-03-2011, 11:33 PM
Rape - not sure that is really rape, molestation - sure, but Rape....nah.

DD

QdoubleA
12-03-2011, 11:33 PM
Rocket River, you do have a point. And you've made that point many times in the past. This case is a little different because in our culture (and personally) we find incest to be gross. But incest out of it and I see the validity of your point.

The thing is, you have to accept that there's a difference. Psychologically, the double standard is unfair because there is a similar old-taking-advantage-of-young theme, whether the older person is male or female. Our laws have set guidelines regarding the age of consent (sometimes 18, 17, or 16).

That said, as I and others have stated before. There has to be weight given to the absolute fact that the male is doing the pummeling and the female is being pummeled. That's just the anatomy of it. I believe that has to be taken into account. And that's why I believe it's worse for a older man to do that to say a 16yr old girl than an older woman to do that to a 16yr old boy. I think a more fair analogy would be a hot older woman convincing a 16 yr old boy to be butt boned by a strap-on that she's wearing. That's apples to apples. The chick is still hot, but I'm sure the vast majority of guys would find that equally appalling to a man taking advantage of a 16yr old girl.

I really can't wrap my head around how the idea that many here seem to think that "ya know...if ya really think about it, it aint that bad". I wouldn't have thought that there would be such a strong consensus that it is ok for a 15 year old to have sex with an adult, under any circumstances.

Kim
12-04-2011, 12:34 AM
Did I write that at all? Where did I write that? Let me clarify: incest is gross and leads to messed up kids...no problem with it being illegal in our society. On a separate matter, from a legal standpoint, older people having sex with younger people who don't have full maturity is wrong and illegal in our society (depending on the age in different states). From a psychological standpoint, the abuser victim scenario are the same whether the older person is male or female.

Rocket River has objected over the years to hot women in their 20's and 30's getting light sentences when convicted of banging teenagers. Actually, I think that Mary LeTourneau got it worse than all of those cases that followed her, and she actually married the kid (sorry for digressing). Anyhow, my point is that I agree with RR that the double standard is unfair from a psychological abuse standpoint. However, weight has to be given to the anatomical difference. I don't think it should matter if the women is hot or ugly, but it does matter to an extent that it's a woman committing the statutory rape and not a man. I'm not saying it's right at all, I just think it's less worse. And that's why I don't have a problem with the lighter punishments within the parameters of the law that have been handed out over the last few years. This is not a lucky-teenaged-boy-southpark argument...this is a man-bones-the-woman-not-vice-versa argument that I'm making. It doesn't make it right, but it makes it less worse. Just an opinion.

The Hunted
12-04-2011, 12:43 AM
I think a more fair analogy would be a hot older woman convincing a 16 yr old boy to be butt boned by a strap-on that she's wearing. That's apples to apples.

That is so not apples to apples.

Kim
12-04-2011, 12:57 AM
That is so not apples to apples.
Fine, it's not apples to apples. Then you agree that it's difficult to see an older woman having sex with a younger man (16-18) as exactly the same as an older man having sex with a younger woman (16-18). Both wrong, but hard to argue imo that they're exactly the same crime or deserve the exact same legal punishment. They are the same in the psychological sense of older-taking-advantage-of-younger, but not the same physically. Both still wrong.

The Hunted
12-04-2011, 01:09 AM
Fine, it's not apples to apples. Then you agree that it's difficult to see an older woman having sex with a younger man (16-18) as exactly the same as an older man having sex with a younger woman (16-18). Both wrong, but hard to argue imo that they're exactly the same crime or deserve the exact same legal punishment. They are the same in the psychological sense of older-taking-advantage-of-younger, but not the same physically. Both still wrong.

Of course it's not the same physical crime (since as it's been confirmed, women don't have penises) but it's the same motive. Is poisoning someone's tea less heinous than shooting them in the back of the head?

Kim
12-04-2011, 01:22 AM
Same motive and same abuser taking advantage effect...but you're saying that the anatomical difference has no weight in your opinion? I think the straight up act of physically penetrating someone else matters, and so it's worse when...I've repeated myself a lot already. Your analogy of different methods of murder isn't the best application because while a statutory rape is a statutory rape, we've already agreed that a man doing it to a girl is physically different than vice versa. I just think that physical difference holds more weight than you do in determining the degree of immorality and illegality.

The Hunted
12-04-2011, 01:36 AM
I just think that physical difference holds more weight than you do in determining the degree of immorality and illegality.

Fair enough. We agree to disagree.

Rocket River
12-04-2011, 09:52 AM
Same motive and same abuser taking advantage effect...but you're saying that the anatomical difference has no weight in your opinion? I think the straight up act of physically penetrating someone else matters, and so it's worse when...I've repeated myself a lot already. Your analogy of different methods of murder isn't the best application because while a statutory rape is a statutory rape, we've already agreed that a man doing it to a girl is physically different than vice versa. I just think that physical difference holds more weight than you do in determining the degree of immorality and illegality.

I see the point you are trying to make
but . . . I think you are . . uhm . .exagerating the wear and tear on the female
anatomy a bit.
I guess one can feel that a 23 yr old male is leaving a 16 yr old female bowlegged
but . . . . barring she is a virgin . . . their is a distinct possibility
she is . . uhm . . .very accomodating and 'ACTUALLY ENJOY THE ACT"

She may enjoy the penetration as much as the boy enjoys the penetrating
[I apologize because I am unsure if you are female or male based on the moniker]

I think we always go back to various stereotypes too
Men like to F***
Women like to MAKE LOVE . . theirs is more emotional blah blah blah

I wonder. . . If some HOT DUDE [pick anyone famous]
was found with a 15 yr old. . .while women will outwardly say . .HOW HORRIBLE
I wonder if in their minds they are thinking .. . LUCKY B**CH!!!
because our society is very much against any allusion to the girl
enjoying the sex. In fact this was a major cog in the "Taking over our sexuality"
Movement in the women's movement.
The ideal that women . . and by association girls
ENJOY SEX and SHOULD ENJOY IT was big

My Point is this.
While the ACT of penetration is different
That does not mean it is not an enjoyable one.
[I guess I could say Auntie was penetrating ole boy's mouth with her boob!]

BASICALLY
My point is . . . whether or not the boy or the girl enjoyed it . . is irrelevent to the facts of the crime.
If you shoot someone who likes pain . . . does that make it any less an assualt?

Rocket River

Rocket River
12-04-2011, 09:58 AM
That is so not apples to apples.


"How do like dem Apples!!!??"

http://gallery.fanserviceftw.com/_images/fa89e61f55eb47616ff197c5e9f39b6d/9652%20-%20mr._horse%20no_sir_i_don't_like_it%20reaction_image%20ren _and_stimpy.gif

Rocket River

rockbox
12-04-2011, 10:10 AM
I will say this in all seriousness.
1. Being able to statutory rape a kid seems to be a privilege of HOT WOMEN
If a man or an unattractive woman does it. . . then it is a crime.
2. We on the board and men in general . . . once again are being paternalistic
Women get horny too. Even young ones. Why is it ok for a horny 15 yr boy
to get his freak on with a 23 yr old. but a horny 15 yr girl . . . she cannot
go out and freak up her 23 yr old.
We say . . .well it is different? how so? I think the difference is mainly
we are men and we want to think it is different. we want to think
OUR BOYS CAN HANDLE IT but Our girls are delicate fragile little flowers.
I think the truth is. . . both are in the middle and no adult should be touching either

If you have a Horny Teen Boy
and a Horny Teen Girl
Why is ok for one to . . . uhm . .. releive themselves and not the other?

Rocket River

If the girl goes up in court and states that she thinks about sex every 20 minutes or so like teenage boys do, then I would that it wouldn't be right to charge the guy involved with rape. Circumstances matter.

BTW, I know a lot of cases where older guys hook up with 15 year girls without getting arrested and charged. I would guess that this was more often the case than guys getting charged with a crime.

There are many instances of 23 year old guys with 15 year old girls where the guy doesn't get charged with rape. I've seen it personally.

Rocket River
12-04-2011, 10:22 AM
If the girl goes up in court and states that she thinks about sex every 20 minutes or so like teenage boys do, then I would that it wouldn't be right to charge the guy involved with rape. Circumstances matter.

BTW, I know a lot of cases where older guys hook up with 15 year girls without getting arrested and charged. I would guess that this was more often the case than guys getting charged with a crime.

There are many instances of 23 year old guys with 15 year old girls where the guy doesn't get charged with rape. I've seen it personally.


Were they reported? I seen it myself
but in most cases it is consentual and basically never
reaches authorities in a credible manner

Rocket River

aghast
12-04-2011, 12:29 PM
There has to be weight given to the absolute fact that the male is doing the pummeling and the female is being pummeled. That's just the anatomy of it.
"Pummeling?" You're afraid of "pummeling" women?

Uh, perhaps you just haven't met the right woman yet (18+, unrelated)?

QdoubleA
12-04-2011, 12:46 PM
Same motive and same abuser taking advantage effect...but you're saying that the anatomical difference has no weight in your opinion? I think the straight up act of physically penetrating someone else matters, and so it's worse when...I've repeated myself a lot already. Your analogy of different methods of murder isn't the best application because while a statutory rape is a statutory rape, we've already agreed that a man doing it to a girl is physically different than vice versa. I just think that physical difference holds more weight than you do in determining the degree of immorality and illegality.

Ok then, I misunderstood. So if your hung up on the physical action- it doesn't have to be the guy "pummeling". It doesn't take much to get a teenage boy "at attention", then once he is what's stopping a woman from getting on top of him and going to town? If you strictly mean the fact that a penis goes inside a vagina makes it worse for a man to do it, well that's bullcrap.

Kim
12-04-2011, 01:48 PM
Then we'll agree to disagree. RR, I'm a dude btw...we went to the same school. And aghast, I have no problem with pummeling women, just don't what else to call F'ing. Anyhow, yes, I think that male rape is worse than female rape, while both are wrong. And I also think that male statutory rape is worse than female statutory rape, while also both wrong. And of course, statutory rape is less worse than straight up rape.

Invisible Fan
12-04-2011, 07:40 PM
Men and women are different.

Get over it.


...Or if you want, get off it.

rrj_gamz
12-04-2011, 09:05 PM
But check Facebook. :eek:

[spoiler]https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/372062_514436277_1965584434_n.jpgler]

I'd hit fo sho

arjun
12-04-2011, 09:22 PM
more pics?

Kwame
12-05-2011, 08:39 AM
Those crazy cultures :rolleyes:

SuperHighFly
12-05-2011, 04:59 PM
https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/372062_514436277_1965584434_n.jpg[/spoiler]
Not bad...Nephew huh? I'm sure I'm desirable then a nephew...too bad

SwoLy-D
12-05-2011, 05:20 PM
Then we'll agree to disagree.Oxymoron. :o