[hoopsworld] Shane, Martin on trade rumors

[the_hustler]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=18578



"You never have too much depth in this league and we have a lot of good players on this team," said Shane Battier. "I don't think we have enough minutes to keep everybody happy and that's the problem that coach has, but that's a good problem for him. We have a lot of good players, young players who people are interested in, so I'm sure Daryl Morey is fielding a lot of phone calls about guys on our roster."

"To win big in the playoffs, you need a horse," said Battier. "You need an All-Star and your All-Star has to produce to win big in this league. You can be competitive with depth, but to ultimately win big you need All-Star type players."

"I think every player handles it differently," said Martin. "For myself, I've learned a lot of things over the past year-and-a-half about this business of basketball. After being in Sacramento for five-and-a-half years and how quickly that can turn in just a manner of over 30 games, so you have to just look at it as if it's a business. You just try to be a professional with it. I have confidence in myself and it doesn't matter if I'm here or wherever I'm at because I'm going to be the best player I can be and my team is always going to know they're getting the best out of me."



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[Rockets_4_life]

I hope they both get traded, I can't stand either of them..

[VooDooPope]

I hope they both get traded, I can't stand either of them..

How can you not like Martin. Dude is smooth, scores with ease and doesn't have to dominate the ball.

Shane gives his all on defense and hits timely 3's. I guarantee we will miss them both if they are traded.

I'd trade Shane to a contender but I'd build around Martin.

[Happii]

How can you not like Martin. Dude is smooth, scores with ease and doesn't have to dominate the ball.

Shane gives his all on defense and hits timely 3's. I guarantee we will miss them both if they are traded.

I'd trade Shane to a contender but I'd build around Martin.

I agree with trading Shane to a contender. I really would like to see him get a ring, he's reaching the twilight of his career and I don't want to see him miss his chance. I feel the same for Steve Nash as well.

[b2bizchina]

How can you not like Martin. Dude is smooth, scores with ease and doesn't have to dominate the ball.

Shane gives his all on defense and hits timely 3's. I guarantee we will miss them both if they are traded.

I'd trade Shane to a contender but I'd build around Martin.
I'd trade Martin, but I will keep Buttier

[mazinger]

[QUOTE=VooDooPope]How can you not like Martin. Dude is smooth, scores with ease and doesn't have to dominate the ball.
QUOTE]


Because he's a Brooks Lover just like DD.

[liljojo]

Because he's a Brooks Lover just like DD.

But they all play different positions...

I love KM and hope he sticks around, but for some reason I still don't see him as a Rocket. Had the same feeling with Ariza and Artest. I dunno, just a gut feeling.

[Rockets_4_life]

How can you not like Martin. Dude is smooth, scores with ease and doesn't have to dominate the ball.



Because he's a Brooks Lover just like DD.

Shut the **** up... If you've read any of my post, I'm a big advocator for trading AB...

The reason I don't like Martin is simple, his "fools gold", not to mention he plays like p*ssy. He has great stats, without having a great impact on the game. 'If' we were to ever make the playoffs with Martin at the helm, we would be obliterated, and stuck further into mediocrity.

I see no point in having this overrated one-dimensional player... when this team clearly needs to rebuilt ...

[tested911]

Shut the **** up... If you've read any of my post, I'm a big advocator for trading AB...

The reason I don't like Martin is simple, his "fools gold", not to mention he plays like p*ssy. He has great stats, without having a great impact on the game. 'If' we were to ever make the playoffs with Martin at the helm, we would be obliterated, and stuck further into mediocrity.

I see no point in having this overrated one-dimensional player... when this team clearly needs to rebuilt ...


WHOA MAN Chilll for a bit... No need to get your panties all tighten up over a message board.. Sheesh... We all have opinions on this board and not to take anything so personal... Be careful on how you respond to comments because the moderators like to keep this place civilized. So pass the Grey Poupon and lets have a healthy discussion :)

[rju1986]

Good to see they've kept a professional attitude. Whatever happens; bidness is bidness*

(but I won't lie, I love both players ..no homo)

[rockets934life]

I don't mind trading Martin or Battier in the right deal and circumstance. I LOVE to watch Martin play in the offense but like I said last night in the game thread, when his shot is off then it gets ugly really quick for him. Clutch replied back that it rarely happens and he's spot on but it also requires that he almost never be off and all players go through rough stretches so it will happen. He is so one dimensional that it does tend to get on my nerves unless he scoring in bunches.

Battier is interesting, I would move him to a contender if it meant we are getting something of value in return BUT if we decide to rebuild, I'd want the old guy back. Say what you will about Shane but he is a GREAT teacher and has extremely high BBIQ. IF we are going to blow it up then he can do wonders being the on the court leader, like a second coach for the youth on the team.

[MONON]

I missread the title & thought it was about rumors of Shane & Martin being traded. However on the real topic, I really like them both as they're professinals & give 100% each game. I could see either or both of them being traded if they would bring in upgrades to the team, however i wouldn't be happy about it. I'd love to see Shane in a position to get a ring, whether here Or with someone else.

[Ramathorn006]

Shut the **** up... If you've read any of my post, I'm a big advocator for trading AB...

The reason I don't like Martin is simple, his "fools gold", not to mention he plays like p*ssy. He has great stats, without having a great impact on the game. 'If' we were to ever make the playoffs with Martin at the helm, we would be obliterated, and stuck further into mediocrity.

I see no point in having this overrated one-dimensional player... when this team clearly needs to rebuilt ...

Agreed with everything with this post. Martin is WACK. I dont give a crap how many points he scores or how efficiently he scores those points, we still lose games with his "high efficiency". Martin would be great if he was playing off of Yao, but where is Yao right now....

He plays with no fight, heart, and in the playoffs he will be ineffective because he relies on the ref's way too much. And to add on that his defense is piss poor. He gives up as many points as he scores. And come 4rth quarter time he is nowhere to be found. We are paying him 15 mil to play the first 3 quarters. That's not efficient spending in my book.

Battier, on the other hand, is the heart, soul, and leader of the team. I dont think he should be traded. But honestly, this is the first Rockets team that I have disliked over the past 10 years. Trade anyone for players who actually fight hard every night and plays defense.

[BeARocketsFan]

Shut the **** up... If you've read any of my post, I'm a big advocator for trading AB...

The reason I don't like Martin is simple, his "fools gold", not to mention he plays like p*ssy. He has great stats, without having a great impact on the game. 'If' we were to ever make the playoffs with Martin at the helm, we would be obliterated, and stuck further into mediocrity.

I see no point in having this overrated one-dimensional player... when this team clearly needs to rebuilt ...

Guys like you amaze me. Yeah, who needs 23 points a game. We win most games by more than that so we could easily just toss out those 23 points. No impact on a game. :rolleyes:

[BeARocketsFan]

I don't mind trading Martin or Battier in the right deal and circumstance. I LOVE to watch Martin play in the offense but like I said last night in the game thread, when his shot is off then it gets ugly really quick for him. Clutch replied back that it rarely happens and he's spot on but it also requires that he almost never be off and all players go through rough stretches so it will happen. He is so one dimensional that it does tend to get on my nerves unless he scoring in bunches.

Battier is interesting, I would move him to a contender if it meant we are getting something of value in return BUT if we decide to rebuild, I'd want the old guy back. Say what you will about Shane but he is a GREAT teacher and has extremely high BBIQ. IF we are going to blow it up then he can do wonders being the on the court leader, like a second coach for the youth on the team.

Martin actually played tough defense last night. Yeah, his shot was off, but if he'd been needed in the 4th, he's come back in in that situation and done well.

[coachbadlee]

This has nothing to do with trade rumors.

[rockets934life]

Martin actually played tough defense last night. Yeah, his shot was off, but if he'd been needed in the 4th, he's come back in in that situation and done well.

Didn't Foye have his season high? There was a reason Adelman didn't put him back in, late, when it was still a 7 point game. Love the offense, HATE the defense.

[UTAllTheWay]

I don't think some of you guys truly realize just how horrible it would be if the Rockets traded Kevin Martin to go into full-blown rebuilding mode.

Sure, you say you would be just fine with it now... but then all of a sudden the guy that actually keeps this team in the game most of the time would be gone, and those one quarter dry spells the Rockets go through would turn into 2-3 quarter dry spells.

It would be rough to watch.

[MadMax]

Remember how we argued all summer long about what Battier so neatly summarized in his quote, there?

[rhino17]

How can you not like Martin. Dude is smooth, scores with ease and doesn't have to dominate the ball.
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I hate his style of play too, the guy should be on the Jazz

[albuster]

I don't think some of you guys truly realize just how horrible it would be if the Rockets traded Kevin Martin to go into full-blown rebuilding mode.

Sure, you say you would be just fine with it now... but then all of a sudden the guy that actually keeps this team in the game most of the time would be gone, and those one quarter dry spells the Rockets go through would turn into 2-3 quarter dry spells.

It would be rough to watch.
This. And, if many of the CF posters would have their way, the Rockets would be a flea market for traders. Almost every thread has at least one poster who is calling to trade this or that player. Can we just have a team already.

[optAmystik]

This has nothing to do with trade rumors.

Thanks for getting us back on track.

Shane's comments were insightful. He sees the big picture from a GM POV - refreshing, but not surprising, really. I mentioned the other day, as others are discussing here, of the possibility of Shane to a contender.

If that were to happen, I would root for him. I could also see Shane retuning to the organization afterward. Maybe not as a contract player next season, maybe so. But, I could see him having a relationship to the team somewhere in between Bagwell & Ryan. IDK, it'd be nice anyway.

When Shane stops playing ball we will not hear the last of him.

[viertelasiat]

I hate his style of play too, the guy should be on the Jazz

GTFO.... I know he looks to pick up fouls a lot but wanting him on the Jazz??? How can you call yourself a Rockets fan?

[disguyman]

Trade everyone on this damn team except for Hayes and Lowry, trade the coaches too.

[Shaud]

[QUOTE=albuster]This. And, if many of the CF posters would have their way, the Rockets would be a flea market for traders. Almost every thread has at least one poster who is calling to trade this or that player.QUOTE]
That is what happens when the team has a losing record.

[jordnnnn]

Agreed with everything with this post. Martin is WACK. I dont give a crap how many points he scores or how efficiently he scores those points, we still lose games with his "high efficiency". Martin would be great if he was playing off of Yao, but where is Yao right now....

He plays with no fight, heart, and in the playoffs he will be ineffective because he relies on the ref's way too much. And to add on that his defense is piss poor. He gives up as many points as he scores. And come 4rth quarter time he is nowhere to be found. We are paying him 15 mil to play the first 3 quarters. That's not efficient spending in my book.


I don't understand. You recognize the obvious problem in Yao being out, but then you somehow jump to the assumption that losing is all kevin martins fault. It's just not rational thinking.

KM was NOT brought here to be our best player, what do you people not understand about this? He was brought here to do exactly what he is doing so well, score more efficiently than pretty much anyone. Yao being out changes everything we had planned. This season just proved what we already knew, Kevin Martin can't be your best player if you want to win consistently, whether he is able to play a big part we still haven't been able to see. If you want to get down to it, no one on our team has been given a fair shot at proving they can be part of a winning team when for the past 2 years the foundation of the team has been out.I can only preach patience people.

And can we please stop jumping from scapegoat to scapegoat as to why we are losing this season? I think there has literally been a thread blaming just about everyone this year. Our highest paid player is out again. Read that line again. Our highest paid player is out again. Look at the Cavs this year minus Lebron. Take away kobe, dwight, deron, paul, durant, rose, any of these guys and tell me they still have a legit chance of winning?

And where did you get $15 mill?
Contract info:
2009/10: $10,180,170
2010/11: $11,100,005
2011/12: $12,019,840
2012/13: $12,929,675

I beg you to go check out other players who are similarly payed to him and even some payed more and tell me again how you can cry about his contract.

[RV6]

Shut the **** up... If you've read any of my post, I'm a big advocator for trading AB...

The reason I don't like Martin is simple, his "fools gold", not to mention he plays like p*ssy. He has great stats, without having a great impact on the game. 'If' we were to ever make the playoffs with Martin at the helm, we would be obliterated, and stuck further into mediocrity.

I see no point in having this overrated one-dimensional player... when this team clearly needs to rebuilt ...

do you like any of the players on this team?

[spdngyns69]

We must keep Martin unless he nets us a superstar or equivalent scorer. I dont see anyone available besides Anthony.

Now if he does end up getting getting traded for whoever, I can see Brooks sliding into his spot with Lee backing him up. It would be a Lowry/Brooks backcourt with the new addition. (all star I hope)

[RedDragon01]

do you like any of the players on this team?

I was wondering the same thing earlier about him.

Does he even like the Houston Rockets?

[spdngyns69]

I don't mind trading Martin or Battier in the right deal and circumstance. I LOVE to watch Martin play in the offense but like I said last night in the game thread, when his shot is off then it gets ugly really quick for him. Clutch replied back that it rarely happens and he's spot on but it also requires that he almost never be off and all players go through rough stretches so it will happen. He is so one dimensional that it does tend to get on my nerves unless he scoring in bunches.

Battier is interesting, I would move him to a contender if it meant we are getting something of value in return BUT if we decide to rebuild, I'd want the old guy back. Say what you will about Shane but he is a GREAT teacher and has extremely high BBIQ. IF we are going to blow it up then he can do wonders being the on the court leader, like a second coach for the youth on the team.

Shane has been on this team for so long it would be wierd seeing him elsewhere. Same goes for Hayes. He's still miles ahead better than 90% of this league defending wise although he's lost a step or two.

As for Martin he is indeed ineffective when the shots aren't falling. He's the perfect second "go to" guy on a contending team because if he happens to be in a slump, the scoring load carries over to the other player. Whats wrong with this current team is they have two second "go to" guys in Scola and Martin. They are both good, but not quite good enough to do it on a constant basis. If they are both slumping, which happens quite often, that's when the team gets into those scoring droughts.

[W22_STREAK]

There, ...Shane's first line puts every argument we've had that been going on and on to rest.

We need an allstar to do anything in this league. all this sh!t razzle and dazzle about "hustle", "effort", "competitive spirit" is all bullsH1t". Tracy McGrady could lead this team to 7 games against the Mavs/Jazz with zero hustle and no support.

Time to get real and recognise the situation. Baron Davis really dun giv a s!~ht about the clippers before they got griffin onto the court...and now hes got Blake...baron is starting to ball again...


talent > effort

[W22_STREAK]

Shane has been on this team for so long it would be wierd seeing him elsewhere. Same goes for Hayes. He's still miles ahead better than 90% of this league defending wise although he's lost a step or two.

As for Martin he is indeed ineffective when the shots aren't falling. He's the perfect second "go to" guy on a contending team because if he happens to be in a slump, the scoring load carries over to the other player. Whats wrong with this current team is they have two second "go to" guys in Scola and Martin. They are both good, but not quite good enough to do it on a constant basis. If they are both slumping, which happens quite often, that's when the team gets into those scoring droughts.

Really? You didn't read the article? As Martin himself said:" ITS A BUSINESS. I've been on Sacramento for five and a half years and bam, I'm traded in 30 days."

Battier is gone by the trade deadline, pending the absence of a blowjob to Morey by then.

[W22_STREAK]

I hate his style of play too, the guy should be on the Jazz

Actually, he wouldn't be on the Jazz. He is certainly NOT a Sloan type of player. He'd be cut immediately the day he got to the Jazz.

Martin is an all-star. Who do you like? Battier? Hayes?

[Rockets_4_life]

WHOA MAN Chilll for a bit... No need to get your panties all tighten up over a message board.. Sheesh... We all have opinions on this board and not to take anything so personal... Be careful on how you respond to comments because the moderators like to keep this place civilized. So pass the Grey Poupon and lets have a healthy discussion

Your right, there was no need for me to curse, I was just a tad bit fustrated with the team and its lack of direction, and took it out on here and for that I apologize... :o

Sorry Guys..

However I do stand with what I said about Martin, the guy's style of play annoys the heck out of me..


do you like any of the players on this team?

I was wondering the same thing earlier about him.

Does he even like the Houston Rockets?
Contrary to popular believe I do like some of our players ex; Patterson, Lee, Williams, Ish, Chuck, Hill, Bud, Lowry.. and I love the Houston Rockets I've been watching them since I was a kid!

Is just certain players I'm not to fond of...

Agreed with everything with this post. Martin is WACK. I dont give a crap how many points he scores or how efficiently he scores those points, we still lose games with his "high efficiency". Martin would be great if he was playing off of Yao, but where is Yao right now....

He plays with no fight, heart, and in the playoffs he will be ineffective because he relies on the ref's way too much. And to add on that his defense is piss poor. He gives up as many points as he scores. And come 4rth quarter time he is nowhere to be found. We are paying him 15 mil to play the first 3 quarters. That's not efficient spending in my book.

Battier, on the other hand, is the heart, soul, and leader of the team. I dont think he should be traded. But honestly, this is the first Rockets team that I have disliked over the past 10 years. Trade anyone for players who actually fight hard every night and plays defense.

I guess I'm not the only one that dislikes floppers, I understand where your coming from with Battier. Personally If we have to rebuild I want to keep one of either Battier or Hayes for veteran leadership(most likely hayes)

Originally Posted by rhino17
I hate his style of play too, the guy should be on the Jazz

Agreed!

[rrj_gamz]

How can you not like Martin. Dude is smooth, scores with ease and doesn't have to dominate the ball.

Shane gives his all on defense and hits timely 3's. I guarantee we will miss them both if they are traded.

I'd trade Shane to a contender but I'd build around Martin.

Agreed...although it was painful to watch Shane miss so much last night, but he always hustles and plays D...just one of those nights...