View Full Version : Johnson insterested in Heat, Heat interested in Johnson
Carl Herrera
05-12-2010, 05:18 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/05/12/1624876/hawks-johnson-flies-onto-radar.html
I wonder how JJ will adjust to more of a supporting role.
napalm_black
05-12-2010, 05:20 PM
I'm thinking he should welcome a supporting role at this point. Not the most dignified thing to do, but probably the smarter thing to do.
Someguy1229
05-12-2010, 05:26 PM
Interesting, but how are they gonna convince Wade to stay in Miami.
rockets934life
05-12-2010, 05:33 PM
Seems ideal for everyone, helps keep Wade happy and pairs him with a real good player but one who doesn't need the ball. If it is strictly a FA signing then it could help the Heat a lot.
ClutchCity3
05-12-2010, 05:36 PM
Can Wade play SF? or JJ off bench?
Carl Herrera
05-12-2010, 05:38 PM
Seems ideal for everyone, helps keep Wade happy and pairs him with a real good player but one who doesn't need the ball. If it is strictly a FA signing then it could help the Heat a lot.
Johnson seems to have the ball a lot in ATL. He played off the ball in PHX but that was years ago. I wonder how he can adjust to taking a back seat.
fallenphoenix
05-12-2010, 05:41 PM
Can Wade play SF? or JJ off bench?
wouldn't JJ play SF and Wade stick to SG?
Shaud
05-12-2010, 05:41 PM
Can Wade play SF? or JJ off bench?
JJ would play SF, or Wade would play PG with JJ playing SG.
No way would they pay JJ all of that money to come off of the bench, and I don't think he would want to come off of the bench.
rockets934life
05-12-2010, 05:42 PM
Johnson seems to have the ball a lot in ATL. He played off the ball in PHX but that was years ago. I wonder how he can adjust to taking a back seat.
True but I also saw were he would setup on the wings waiting for an open shot and in Miami he would get tons of those types of shot. I think with a better pg, or point forward in this case, JJ would thrive but like you said would he accept being a supporting actor after being the main attraction all these years.
smoothie
05-12-2010, 05:54 PM
yeah im sure the heat are interested in jj... but he's probably not the first choice.
they need a big guy to pair with wade. bosh, amare, and boozer are probably all higher on their list.
i would bet that johnson feels the same about the heat. he's too redundant next to wade, and the heat aren't that good of a team. if i were him i would look for a S&T to the suns or mavs. those teams could use him and they have a chance to win.
RedRedemption
05-12-2010, 07:03 PM
The Heat need a big man, not Joe Johnson. Joe Johnson needs a team that will fit to his playing style... that would not be the Heat...
Rocket River
05-12-2010, 07:15 PM
Joe Johnson - The Ray Allen 2010
Take the supporting roll . .. just a spot up shooter.
Rocket River
RedRedemption
05-12-2010, 07:18 PM
Joe Johnson - The Ray Allen 2010
Take the supporting roll . .. just a spot up shooter.
Rocket River
He's an inconsistent Ray Allen... and that is all.
tinywang
05-12-2010, 07:24 PM
Don't really see this happening unless Heat strike out on Bosh, Amare, and Boozer.
BEAT LA
05-12-2010, 07:37 PM
The Heat have the most cap space with only two players under contract.
There is a good chance the Heat will have this team next season:
Chalmers / Arroyo
Wade / Wright / Richardson
Johnson / Jones / Cook
Beasley / Haslem / Aminu
Bosh / Anthony
StanleyHartwell
05-12-2010, 07:42 PM
Joe Johnson - The Ray Allen 2010
Take the supporting roll . .. just a spot up shooter.
Rocket River
Even at this age, Ray Allen is 1000 times more clutch than Joe Johnson and is an overall better player
Joe Johnson - The Ray Allen 2010
Take the supporting roll . .. just a spot up shooter.
Rocket River
In terms of just shooting, Johnson isn't even in Allen's league. A lot of the guy's value is as a stat sheet filler(a poor man's T-Mac if you will). So taking the ball out of his hand makes his value a lot less.
If Miami wants a shooter... S&T with Kevin Martin? :)
A_3PO
05-12-2010, 07:57 PM
Even at this age, Ray Allen is 1000 times more clutch than Joe Johnson and is an overall better player
Ray Allen isn't better than JJ right now. That's ridiculous.
BEAT LA
05-12-2010, 08:03 PM
The Heat have one 1st rounder and three 2nd rounders which could probably land them another first rounder if they choose (unlikely since they need more players).
I know they don't want Boozer, LeBron is a dream, and Anthony doesn't fit in with Wade. Bosh and Johnson make the most sense and can easily be attained given their salary condition.
Clutch Fans, say goodbye to Bosh.
Here's what Riley has saved in his cell.
Give Bosh the max.
Sign Johnson - $42.3 million - 5 years
Chalmers / Arroyo
Wade / Richardson
Johnson / Wright / Jones
Beasley / (2nd rounders)
Bosh / (Sanders) / Anthony
If they can't afford to keep Richardson (not a big loss) they will probably draft a SG in the 2nd round to back Wade up.
T-mac&Yao=RING
05-12-2010, 08:15 PM
Ray Allen isn't better than JJ right now. That's ridiculous.
Hes a better playoffs player than JJ.
Give Bosh the max.
Sign Johnson - $42.3 million - 5 years
I'd be my life savings that short of a catastrophic injury, there's no way Johnson signs for that little. If only because the Knicks pony up twice that in a heartbeat.
I'd like some of what you're smoking.
SuperBeeKay
05-12-2010, 08:38 PM
Johnson wants an extension so he can penetrate with Wade. Should give Miami fans tons to be excited about.
BEAT LA
05-12-2010, 08:42 PM
I'd be my life savings that short of a catastrophic injury, there's no way Johnson signs for that little. If only because the Knicks pony up twice that in a heartbeat.
I'd like some of what you're smoking.
He's not getting offered more than $10-$11 million per season after his poor playoff performance. Just because the Knicks have handed out some absurd contracts in the past does not mean they will continue to do so future. Isiah is gone.
He may agree to take a little less to contend with the Heat if he sees they have a legit shot at winning it. Plus, it's Miami.
You can effectively disagree with someone without insulting him/her.
BEAT LA
05-12-2010, 08:43 PM
He's not getting offered more than $10-$11 million per season after his poor playoff performance. Just because the Knicks have handed out some absurd contracts in the past does not mean they will continue to do so future. Isiah is gone.
He may agree to take a little less to contend with the Heat if he sees they have a legit shot at winning it. Plus, it's Miami.
You can effectively disagree with someone without insulting him/her.
And that's around what Riley is hoping to sign Johnson for. He will for over a couple extra million if that's what it takes.
BaMcMing
05-12-2010, 08:56 PM
Here's what Riley has saved in his cell.
Give Bosh the max.
Sign Johnson - $42.3 million - 5 years
Dude.
Joe makes 14.9 million right now. You reeaaly think he's gonna take a pay cut and play for 8.5 million per?
That's probably not what his agent or he is hoping for.
BEAT LA
05-12-2010, 09:09 PM
Dude.
Joe makes 14.9 million right now. You reeaaly think he's gonna take a pay cut and play for 8.5 million per?
That's probably not what his agent or he is hoping for.
Joe's playoff numbers:
PPG 17.9
RPG 5.10
APG 5.0
3.5 FTA
EFF+ 15.09
2.3 TOs
0.387 FG%
0.220 3FG%
Why on earth does this guy deserve more than $10 million? Maggette put up better numbers in less minutes and got 5 years, $50 million. He was the same age when he received his contract as Johnson is this off season. Both have a history of injuries.
70 games vs. 76 by Joe
22.1 PPG
45.8 FG%
38.4 3FG%
5.6 RPG
2.7 APG
10 FTA
Ray Allen will get more, not Joe Johnson.
johnnyonthespot
05-12-2010, 09:35 PM
In terms of just shooting, Johnson isn't even in Allen's league. A lot of the guy's value is as a stat sheet filler(a poor man's T-Mac if you will). So taking the ball out of his hand makes his value a lot less.
If Miami wants a shooter... S&T with Kevin Martin? :)
Who are you proposing a sign and trade for? Wade? Cause I know there is nobody else on that team worth giving up Martin for. But to say the Heat would S&T wade in order to acquire a shooter is a bit paradoxical, since the original point of them wanting a shooter was to pair that shooter with Wade. I guess we can dream though ;)
BaMcMing
05-12-2010, 10:26 PM
Ray Allen will get more, not Joe Johnson.
I'll take that bet. Loser donates $20 to Clutchfans tip jar.
Put your money where your mouth is?
Who are you proposing a sign and trade for? Wade? Cause I know there is nobody else on that team worth giving up Martin for. But to say the Heat would S&T wade in order to acquire a shooter is a bit paradoxical, since the original point of them wanting a shooter was to pair that shooter with Wade. I guess we can dream though ;)
I meant having Miami sign Joe Johnson and trade him to us for Kevin Martin. I say this because unlike Bosh, I don't think the Hawks or any other team(except maybe NY in S&T if they're desperate) will give him in the hometown max of 6yr/130 mil.
He's not getting offered more than $10-$11 million per season after his poor playoff performance. Just because the Knicks have handed out some absurd contracts in the past does not mean they will continue to do so future. Isiah is gone.
A contract starting at $10 mil is 5yr/$65 mil. Which would be 50% more than what you're proposing. For the sake of argument, even assuming that JJ's not worth more than that, why would he take $20 mil less and become a 3rd option in Miami?
RMGEEGEE
05-13-2010, 12:07 AM
What about Amare?
BEAT LA
05-13-2010, 12:41 AM
I'll take that bet. Loser donates $20 to Clutchfans tip jar.
Put your money where your mouth is?
I agree to that bet only if Ray Allen signs for less than 2 years. He's 36 and at this point he will take less money for a longer contract.
Bet?
roslolian
05-13-2010, 12:43 AM
Who are you proposing a sign and trade for? Wade? Cause I know there is nobody else on that team worth giving up Martin for. But to say the Heat would S&T wade in order to acquire a shooter is a bit paradoxical, since the original point of them wanting a shooter was to pair that shooter with Wade. I guess we can dream though ;)
Well, maybe we can S&T for wade for Martin+package and the Heat can sign JJ? They'd have a swingman combo of JJ and Martin who complement each other perfectly. Shooter/Slasher, On the ball/Off the ball, Defense/flopping, its all there lol...
ASidd_1990
05-13-2010, 01:43 AM
Per Jalen Rose of ESPN via Twitter:
Just got a reliable tip...JJohnson has played his last game for the Hawks...thoughts?
http://twitter.com/JALENROSE
ASidd_1990
05-13-2010, 01:57 AM
Damn, just heard on the local Atlanta ABC news that Joe has been reportedly offered a 6 year/90 million dollar contract by the Hawks! :eek: :eek:
The Hawks might as well let him go cuz he is not worth a Max contract.
That's LeBron money right there!
jevjnd
05-13-2010, 05:57 AM
Thank you. I second that sentiment.
Ray Allen isn't better than JJ right now. That's ridiculous.
BaMcMing
05-13-2010, 06:26 AM
I agree to that bet only if Ray Allen signs for less than 2 years. He's 36 and at this point he will take less money for a longer contract.
Bet?
Yes. And to be crystal clear, are you saying Ray will mak more per year than JJ, or Ray will get a raise based on what ge made this year and JJ will not?
I'll take it either way, or both ways for 40$.
Steve_Francis_rules
05-13-2010, 06:35 AM
The Heat have one 1st rounder and three 2nd rounders which could probably land them another first rounder if they choose (unlikely since they need more players).
I know they don't want Boozer, LeBron is a dream, and Anthony doesn't fit in with Wade. Bosh and Johnson make the most sense and can easily be attained given their salary condition.
Clutch Fans, say goodbye to Bosh.
Here's what Riley has saved in his cell.
Give Bosh the max.
Sign Johnson - $42.3 million - 5 years
You're completing ignoring the fact that Bosh has come out and explicitly stated that he doesn't want to go somewhere only to take a backseat to Lebron or Wade.
A_3PO
05-13-2010, 07:21 AM
He's not getting offered more than $10-$11 million per season after his poor playoff performance. Just because the Knicks have handed out some absurd contracts in the past does not mean they will continue to do so future. Isiah is gone.
He may agree to take a little less to contend with the Heat if he sees they have a legit shot at winning it. Plus, it's Miami.
You can effectively disagree with someone without insulting him/her.
Dead wrong. JJ will indeed get offered more than $11 million/year long term. You have to remember it isn't about what you think he's worth, it's how much a team will pay him.
Melechesh
05-13-2010, 07:53 AM
Joe Johnson sucks. But he's going to get paid.
da_juice
05-13-2010, 08:25 AM
Not a good fit, they need a big man, not another two guard. Miami cannot handle this wade situation at all. They had a chance to send Beasley for Amar'e anf finally pair wade with what he needs-a big man, and they passed it up. Now they're blowing the only chance they have to get a big man to play with D-Wade.
Maybe they know something we don't? Maybe Wade is gonna leave and JJ is his replacement.
Carl Herrera
05-13-2010, 09:15 AM
The most important fact about this new is:
Miami wants to see Johnson in Heat!
acsorelle4
05-13-2010, 09:44 AM
Interesting, but how are they gonna convince Wade to stay in Miami.
By giving him some Johnson.
Fyreball
05-13-2010, 11:54 AM
Even at this age, Ray Allen is 1000 times more clutch than Joe Johnson and is an overall better player
http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/6500000/LOLWUT-random-6599568-378-413.jpg
Yes. And to be crystal clear, are you saying Ray will mak more per year than JJ, or Ray will get a raise based on what ge made this year and JJ will not?
I'll take it either way, or both ways for 40$.
I'll take action on the raise thing BEAT LA.
Ray Allen will not get a raise on his $20m/yr salary. If you disagree, I'll bet you $20 to the tip jar. And I mean annual salary raise.
Hell, I'll also take action on the new contract. And it will be average salary. So if Allen signs for 2 years, 40 million, and Johnson signs for 5 years 50 million, then you would win because Allen would average $20 million per year and Johnson would average $10 million per year. So that's another $20 tip jar bet because I think Johnson will have a higher yearly salary than Ray Allen.
Of course, you could just refuse to bet, open your eyes, and realize you've been brain farting with those ridiculous assertions. Or you could stay stubborn and contribute to this great site.
BaMcMing
05-13-2010, 12:54 PM
Of course, you could just refuse to bet, open your eyes, and realize you've been brain farting with those ridiculous assertions. Or you could stay stubborn and contribute to this great site.
Kim, you are the voice of reason.
Stepping Razor
05-13-2010, 12:55 PM
Johnson wants an extension so he can penetrate with Wade. Should give Miami fans tons to be excited about.
whoa!
baller4life315
05-13-2010, 03:20 PM
Miami would still need a reliable big man that's not a complete and utter flake (sorry, JO and Beasley), but JJ would be a solid addition for the Heat. He could spot up, play off the ball more and run the offense for stretches whenever Wade normally would thereby allowing Wade to play off the ball a bit too. He's smart, plays good defense and would overall be a good fit.
As a Hawks fan, obviously my first choice would be for him to stay in Atlanta but at this point I wouldn't be surprised if he elected to move on. He seems frustrated and probably now realizes he can't be "the man" on a winning team. Given the limited resources the Hawks have it's very unlikely the Hawks will do the smart thing and trade for another star. Maybe he figures if Atlanta can't get it done (something they've proven during his 5-year stint save the Crawford trade), maybe he figures he can just sign elsewhere and be guaranteed the opportunity to play next to another star rather than wait around for Atlanta to finally realize what's been so painfully obvious for the past two seasons.
professorjay
05-13-2010, 03:24 PM
Apparently Miami is also interested in Wade:
We Want Wade (http://www3.wewantwade.com/)
BEAT LA
05-13-2010, 06:41 PM
Yes. And to be crystal clear, are you saying Ray will mak more per year than JJ, or Ray will get a raise based on what ge made this year and JJ will not?
I'll take it either way, or both ways for 40$.
Here's the bet. If Ray Allen signs a 1 year deal, he will make more for that year than Joe Johnson.
BEAT LA
05-13-2010, 06:48 PM
I expected the playoffs to suck overall, and I'm right so far. There was so much hype entering it this season especially in the west. The finals should be good for once.
This NBA off season will be the most interesting thing in the world of sports this year. Next season's should be good too.
BaMcMing
05-13-2010, 07:44 PM
Here's the bet. If Ray Allen signs a 1 year deal, he will make more for that year than Joe Johnson.
Done.
A_3PO
05-13-2010, 07:51 PM
Here's the bet. If Ray Allen signs a 1 year deal, he will make more for that year than Joe Johnson.
This is an easy way out for you since he'll probably get more than just one year.
roslolian
05-13-2010, 08:01 PM
This is an easy way out for you since he'll probably get more than just one year.
I think the claim that Allen will get a better contract than JJ is very unlikely as well. However as far as players are concerned I think I'd rather have Allen for his price than JJ for his. You just don't pay as much money as JJ will likely get for a habitual playoff choker.
BEAT LA
05-13-2010, 08:14 PM
This is an easy way out for you since he'll probably get more than just one year.
How much would you pay for a Ray Allen who just turned 36?
How much would you pay for a Ray Allen who just turned 37?
Big difference. He is likely to get a one year deal at this point, but if he signs a two year deal then of course he will take less for the longer commitment.
BaMcMing, I will match you're donation if I win the bet.
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