The Dragon VS Shogun part 2

[El Hitman]

In the re-match between Lyoto "The Dragon" Machida V.S Mauricio "Shogun" Rua...WHO WILL WIN?!?!?!? :cool:




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[farrisdabis]

Can't wait for this fight. I really want Shogun to pull this off but I'm expecting Lyoto to finish this fight within the first two rounds.

[1JumpShot]

In the first fight, Lyoto Machida did not do his homework and Shogun did, and Shogun did a good job dismantling him, but in my opinion, in order to beat a champ, you have to really finish him and not leave it to the judges. This fight I expect Machida to do his homework and he's probably going to win to be in my solid opinion.

[Crudder]

I hope this is going to be a great fight and not another decision. I am rooting for Rua but I would be satisfied if it was an all around good match where both guys were aggressive.

[justtxyank]

In the first fight, Lyoto Machida did not do his homework and Shogun did, and Shogun did a good job dismantling him, but in my opinion, in order to beat a champ, you have to really finish him and not leave it to the judges. This fight I expect Machida to do his homework and he's probably going to win to be in my solid opinion.

This is the stupidest position in MMA.

"Countless fights, including the most recent title fights at LW, WW, MW and LHW go to decision, but to actually win a belt you need to finish!"

That is so stupid. Do you know how difficult it is to finish a fight against top level competition? If a champ knows he only has to avoid a finish to keep his belt you'll see more fights like Silva/Maia. The champ just dancing around avoiding any dangerous situations.

The judges are there for a reason. Outpointing your opponent is a legit way to win in MMA.

[ChumpCity]

This is the stupidest position in MMA.

"Countless fights, including the most recent title fights at LW, WW, MW and LHW go to decision, but to actually win a belt you need to finish!"

That is so stupid. Do you know how difficult it is to finish a fight against top level competition? If a champ knows he only has to avoid a finish to keep his belt you'll see more fights like Silva/Maia. The champ just dancing around avoiding any dangerous situations.

The judges are there for a reason. Outpointing your opponent is a legit way to win in MMA.

BJ Penn did not deserve to lose his belt.......Frankie Edgar dances for 5 rounds and did not convincingly beat BJ. Then again, BJ did not really look like he could catch him and hit him cleanly. If I am a judge I call it a wash.....make them fight 5 more before you take the belt away from BJ.

I am looking hella-forward to the fights this weekend.

Machida is a beast. Shogun is a beast. Gotta take Machida in this one though.

Hopefully Kimbo's knee can hold up. I am curious to see how he looks after training with legit trainers now.......To be honest, I would really like to see Meathead and Kimbo just exchange bombs back and forth until someones jaw winds up in the front row.

[RoxSqaud]

To be honest, I would really like to see Meathead and Kimbo just exchange bombs back and forth until someones jaw winds up in the front row.

That would be sweet lol......Kimbo could def. knock the guys jaw into the first row but would have to do it before he gased 45 secs in the 1st round.

[ChumpCity]

That would be sweet lol......Kimbo could def. knock the guys jaw into the first row but would have to do it before he gased 45 secs in the 1st round.

How long has it been since "The Ultimate Fighter" Finale? A year or so?

You don't think that he has worked on his cardio since then? I mean after all, he has legit coaches now.....no longer does he have a worthless coach like Rampage or his boys from the hood in his corner.

I am guessing both guys have been coached up a bit and should make a pretty interesting fight. I could be wrong though. Maybe they just both show up fat and lean on each other for 3 rounds......

[SwoLy-D]

:o I really really thought this guy was coming back to wrestle someone named "Shogun":

http://images.buddytv.com/articles/Image/WWE-Raw/ricky-steamboat.jpg

:(

[RoxSqaud]

How long has it been since "The Ultimate Fighter" Finale? A year or so?

You don't think that he has worked on his cardio since then? I mean after all, he has legit coaches now.....no longer does he have a worthless coach like Rampage or his boys from the hood in his corner.

I am guessing both guys have been coached up a bit and should make a pretty interesting fight. I could be wrong though. Maybe they just both show up fat and lean on each other for 3 rounds......

Well he did go the full 3 rounds with Houston Alexander, but they both looked like you could have blown them over.

His ground game looked nicely improved in that fight just he couldnt breathe....If he did get his cardio up, he might be something to watch out for...

I think he smokes alot of weed tho.....cant help your cardio.

[MoonDogg]

http://cdn3.ioffer.com/img/item/420/740/41/Shogun.JPG

[ChumpCity]

Well he did go the full 3 rounds with Houston Alexander, but they both looked like you could have blown them over.

His ground game looked nicely improved in that fight just he couldnt breathe....If he did get his cardio up, he might be something to watch out for...

I think he smokes alot of weed tho.....cant help your cardio.

Yeah that was a sad site to see, the combined age for that fight was like 263 years or something. That is the one thing that will hurt him is his age, I think.......he's no Randy Couture or Hendo

Plenty of elite athletes blaze up......I don't think it affects their cardio that badly.

[sew]

Well he did go the full 3 rounds with Houston Alexander, but they both looked like you could have blown them over.

http://i48.tinypic.com/zr59f.gif

:grin:

I hope Kimbo destroys Mitrione.

[RoxSqaud]

http://i48.tinypic.com/zr59f.gif

:grin:

I hope Kimbo destroys Mitrione.

Lol that says it all.....They were toast...

Well ne way....Im taking Machida over shogun....even tho Rua won the first matchup....

Daley over Koscheck
Kimbo over Matt
and Cote over Belcher

[Legend Killer]

Machida is going to win... He will be prepared and ready for Shogun's kicks.

Koshchek is going to choke out Daley

Kimbo is going to KO Meat head... That fight is going to win KO of the night

[New Jack]

Guess I'm the only one that thought the OP was talking about Bruce "last Dragon" LeRoy and Sho'Nuff "the Shogun of Harlem".

Their last fight was amazing!

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[mikol13]

This is a card where all fights could go either way. I like both Machida and Shogun, just want to see a fight worthy of a championship bout.

I think Daley Knocks out Koscheck, but again Koschek's wrestling could control the fight if he goes that route.

For all of you taking Kimbo, it could just as easily be a knockout by Meathead, he has very heavy hands. Could be decided by who has the best chin and cardio.

[paulnhbtx]

Shogun won the last fight...

[Dr of Dunk]

Mitrione's cardio in his first fight on TUF was about the worst I've seen. There were times I think he was too tired to fall down and that's the only thing that saved him. That Kimbo/Alexander fight was so odd. I've never seen Alexander so passive in a fight. Makes me almost thing somebody told him to lose... not sayin' anything.... just sayin'...

I'm pulling for Machida, but that fight could go either way.

[RoxSqaud]

Kicks off in about 2 hours.....

[KingCheetah]

I am curious to see how he looks after training with legit trainers now.......

Bas Rutten is pretty legit.

[Hayden_SFC]

I think Machida will probably make all the proper adjustments and win this fight.
Avoid the constant leg kicks from Shogun and I think he will be fine.
In regards to the first fight...wasn't one of the judges on the first Shogun-Machida fight also a judge for the Korean zombie fight?
Just saying.

[tehG l i d e]

Machida is a coward. "My record is the only thing that counts..years from now people will look back and see the win on my record, and that's what matters". People love him for his peaceful warrior get up that he tries so hard to showcase, what a gimmick and a hack with his faux honor.

[vinsensual]

What's unbelievable last fight was that it was unanimous decision and the judges gave Machida each round. I'm very interested to see the adjustments made by Machida, since he's a counter guy and supposedly high fighter IQ.

[Commodore]

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[FlyerFanatic]

any links?

[RoxSqaud]

any links?

For Sopcast

sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/85856

[FlyerFanatic]

For Sopcast

sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/85856

thanks

[RoxSqaud]

Im taking Cote...

[FlyerFanatic]

hmm that sopcast link stopped working for me

[gwatson86]

I've got my money on the Brazilian guy.

[RoxSqaud]

hmm that sopcast link stopped working for me

Yea, me to.

If you have TVU its on the wrestling 24/7 channel

[RoxSqaud]

That was a helluva drop.....right on his FACE!!

[TheDreams]

http://www.atdhe.net/15526/watch-ufc-113-machida-vs-shogun-2


thats what im watching it on, you have to dl veetle.

[DreamShook]

Nice song to come out to Kimbo.. Dj Khaled is going to make so much money with that song.

[Asian Sensation]

http://www.atdhe.net/15526/watch-ufc-113-machida-vs-shogun-2


thats what im watching it on, you have to dl veetle.

Good link. Rep for u

[Asian Sensation]

Nice song to come out to Kimbo.. Dj Khaled is going to make so much money with that song.

what song was it? I missed the intro

[Asian Sensation]

Kick his ass KIMBO!

[VanityHalfBlack]

Imagine if Kimbo slammed his ass on concrete floor??? That dude got right back up quick after that slam...

[TheDreams]

kimbo is trouble.

[DreamShook]

kimbo is trouble.

Kimbo is IN trouble.

[Asian Sensation]

God Damnit Kimbo.... Go back to ****ing bouncing.

[TheDreams]

haha thats what i meant.

[VanityHalfBlack]

Kimbo is a brawler not a technician... This NFL guy is whoopin him good...

[teknokid]

God Damnit Kimbo.... Go back to ****ing bouncing.

Kimbo needs to give up

[wallyj12]

Wow..these two are like slugs out there. I think its pretty safe to say, this should mark the end of Kimbo''s less than stellar UFC career

[VanityHalfBlack]

Kimbo turned into gumbo for this guy, lolol....

[teknokid]

NFL white boy is pretty raw with those kicks

[TheDreams]

Wow..these two are like slugs out there. I think its pretty safe to say, this should mark the end of Kimbo''s less than stellar UFC career

yup that should be the last time we see kimbo in a UFC octagon.

[DreamShook]

Ref was trying to help Kimbo too..

[RoxSqaud]

Kimbo looked like ****....

Give up kimbo....

Damn....wanted this guy to do good....

[Asian Sensation]

Looks like Tarzan fights like Jane.

[Uprising]

Hahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahaahhahahahahahahah hahahahahahah.

Pwned?

U suck kimbo!

[DreamShook]

Kimbo looked like ****....

Give up kimbo....

Damn....wanted this guy to do good....

It's funny a person who was considered a feared rabid savage a couple of years ago is the object of such pity now.

[wallyj12]

Kimbo looked like ****....

Give up kimbo....

Damn....wanted this guy to do good....

Yea Ive always been pulling for Kimbo, but he always lets me down. He hasn't shown any improvement from one fight to the next and he has some pretty terrible cardio. He seems to be intimidated a little bit by being in the cage with actual professional fighters, and doesnt have that same killer instinct, come at you mentally that he showed against those chumps on youtube. He's just out of his element in the UFC and appears to not show the commitment training wise to continue

[Like A Breath]

Kimbo looked like he was going to literally cry from those leg kicks. It was all over from there. That guy could have stopped him any way he wanted.

[DreamShook]

Kimbo should stop fighting and become a movie star. There should be a lot of openings for a Henchmen #1 with all the super hero movies coming out

[RoxSqaud]

Hahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahaahhahahahahahahah hahahahahahah.

Pwned?

U suck kimbo!

Shutup dude......

There is no reason to not like kimbo....

Hes a very humble guy...not all thuggish "**** u" like you would think...

Hes not cut for the UFCs competition tho...

[Chamillionaire]

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee83/josueezy/machida_finish.gif

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii91/corymahan/machida.gif

i'm definitely pulling for machida, as a fan of karate and his fighting style. having said that, shogun is one tough dude. it should be close again.

[RoxSqaud]

link quit?

[RoxSqaud]

He said ****! :eek:

[vinsensual]

Go Daley, the atdhe links suck for anyone else?

[Ron from the G]

Go Daley, the atdhe links suck for anyone else?


This one is decent.

http://www.atdhe.net/19021/watch-ufc-113-machida-vs-shogun-2

[vinsensual]

Is that the one with the non english announcers? I think I'm using #2 right now, I just won't know who got "rocked" without Joe Rogan telling me so.

[Ron from the G]

Is that the one with the non english announcers? I think I'm using #2 right now, I just won't know who got "rocked" without Joe Rogan telling me so.

That link is the one with the normal UFC announcers.

[wallyj12]

Classic Striker vs Wrestler match right here where the superior wrestler, Koschek, will control and win this fight

[London'sBurning]

http://www.mmator.com/desistream.html

10 different streaming channels. I'm watching on Channel 3. Channel 1 has full screen and volume control though.

[vinsensual]

Ugh 2 fights where Koscheck fakes an injury from a knee. Illegal knees but faking it nonetheless

[REEKO_HTOWN]

they Flop in MMA now?

[vinsensual]

LOL Koscheck goes "what happened" then ref goes "shin to the eye, but it barely hit you"

[TheDreams]

lol he didn't even hit him.

[Asian Sensation]

Koschek what a Bitch lol

[Hayden_SFC]

He didn't really connect, but still foul intentions with that knee.

[London'sBurning]

Koscheck still won that round. I don't fault Koscheck for faking. Still was an illegal knee that should have never been attempted.

[vinsensual]

Eh at least we get to see Koscheck get demolished by GSP sometime in the future.

[wallyj12]

They need to bring in some wrestlers into that Team Rough House camp up there in England. Daley, Hardy, Winner, Pearson...are all pretty much one dimensional stand up guys that will continue to lose fights by getting out pointed against superior wrestlers

[TheDreams]

wow i never seen that before!

[wallyj12]

hahahah wow....that was pretty hilarious. If only he could have made contact and knocked his ass out

[Asian Sensation]

I knew Daley was going to punch him after the fight. LOL Koschek is such a ****ing ***.

[VanityHalfBlack]

That is some bullshiet coward ass move to sucker punch someone after the bell...

[Hayden_SFC]

Lol...I love how he just insults Canada during his interview.

[Chamillionaire]

what happened?

[wallyj12]

Haha first a boxer slips and falls through the ropes and crashes into a broadcasting table causing an end to the fight and now that sucker punch by Daley...some crazy stuff going on. Koscheck is such a homo

[Uprising]

Shutup dude......

There is no reason to not like kimbo....

Hes a very humble guy...not all thuggish "**** u" like you would think...

Hes not cut for the UFCs competition tho...


Really? No reason not to like the kimbo? This db used to just abuse joe shmoes on the street.

He's no ufc fighter like u said, he's best to keep it in the playground.

[VanityHalfBlack]

Lol...I love how he just insults Canada during his interview.
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[Asian Sensation]

Kos is gonna get rolled up and smoked like a joint again by GSP

[VanityHalfBlack]

Haha first a boxer slips and falls through the ropes and crashes into a broadcasting table causing an end to the fight and now that sucker punch by Daley...some crazy stuff going on. Koscheck is such a homo

Dude Koscheck whooped his butt, It is Daley who is the Homo...

[wallyj12]

Dude Koscheck whooped his butt, It is Daley who is the Homo...

Koscheck definately won the fight but he's still a homo, stemming all the way back from his TUF days

[TheDreams]

lets go Machida!

[Hayden_SFC]

Shogun and Machida will knock each other out at the same time.

[vinsensual]

Really? No reason not to like the kimbo? This db used to just abuse joe shmoes on the street.

Kimbo came off as very respectable in his season of Ultimate Fighter. Always talking about learning new things and wanting to fight, he didn't pick any fights or stir up trouble really.

[FlyerFanatic]

shogun!

[pradaxpimp]

wow that was fast.

"That's what she said"

[TheDreams]

great performance by shogun, didn't leave it up to the judges this time.

[VanityHalfBlack]

Machida WTF??? Congrats to Shogun but I was expecting a little bit more from this fight...

[Ron from the G]

How disappointing was that fight. Man I wanted to see at least 3 rounds. I expected more from Machida.

[vinsensual]

It didn't look like that hard of a punch to knock him down, since it was impeded by Machida's arm, but Shogun deserved this anyway.

[wallyj12]

The rightful champ takes his belt! Machida wasnt going to run away from that one

[DreamShook]

I was about to go and make some food I was expecting this to go longer.

[TheDreams]

shogun vs evans/rampage should be good.

[Hayden_SFC]

Damn, I think Machida was certainly winning that round. Two take downs, two big knees. And then he gets half clipped on the side of the head and goes down. Kind of a let down of a fight.

[VanityHalfBlack]

It didn't look like that hard of a punch to knock him down, since it was impeded by Machida's arm, but Shogun deserved this anyway.
Yeah that punch didn't look hard at all, how the hell did he get dropped..

[REEKO_HTOWN]

BAMM!!!

Shogun with the beatdown

[vinsensual]

Yeah that punch didn't look hard at all, how the hell did he get dropped..

I guess he doesn't really have a history of taking punches, he's more of a dodger.

[opticon]

it looked like he got hit in the temple and thats what staggerd him. Shogun's brutal ground pound is what really sealed the deal.

[London'sBurning]

I guess he doesn't really have a history of taking punches, he's more of a dodger.


Got clipped on the temple, then hit solidly on the temple again when he was dropped. He got hit a few times in earlier exchanges by Shogun's jab too. Seems like a quick jab puts Machida in trouble. I think Machida realized he couldn't go on getting leg kicked like in the first fight and tried to alter his fighting style completely by becoming a wrestler. It was working out but its obvious it exposed his defense more than with his usual style.

[wallyj12]

I guess he doesn't really have a history of taking punches, he's more of a dodger.

Yea that's his style, saying that he runs away is a little too extreme, but his goal is to take as little damage as possible which is why he's always back pedaling and circling away. I don't like it, but he's really good at it so more power to him. His facial expressions are pretty funny when he does get tagged though

[Asian Sensation]

Yea that's his style, saying that he runs away is a little too extreme, but his goal is to take as little damage as possible which is why he's always back pedaling and circling away. I don't like it, but he's really good at it so more power to him. His facial expressions are pretty funny when he does get tagged though

He looks even funnier when he's Knocked Out. Piss on that Machida.

You know Rua is getting backdoor sushi tonight after that win.

[London'sBurning]

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http://i39.tinypic.com/20trl3p.png

[Hayden_SFC]

Not to take anything away from Shogun, but it will be interesting to see who he fights next. I think Shogun's style works well against Machida, who's(Machida) style would probably do well against most guys in his weight. It'll be interesting to see how the next opponent does against Shogun.
As for Lyoto, everybody loses....it will interesting as well to see how he bounces back....and against who.

[wallyj12]

Dana said in the post fight press conference that Daley is officially cut from the UFC

[Summer Song Giver]

With it being 1-1 (kind of) shouldn't we expect a third fight between the two before the eventual winner fights Rampage or Evans? It Seems logical, no?

[Summer Song Giver]

Dana said in the post fight press conference that Daley is officially cut from the UFC

That's harsh, he only did what the rest of the world wanted to do.

Seriously though, it was completely classless no matter how big a douche Koschek is. Dana taking this line with Daley will hopefully prevent others from losing their cool and maybe UFC can avoid the post fight melees like we have seen in boxing and a couple weeks ago on that other mma broadcast. I have to believe Dana is still looking hard for the big time network deal that would completely mainstream the sport and stuff like what Daley did can not be tolerated.

[Asian Sensation]

Not to take anything away from Shogun, but it will be interesting to see who he fights next. I think Shogun's style works well against Machida, who's(Machida) style would probably do well against most guys in his weight. It'll be interesting to see how the next opponent does against Shogun.
As for Lyoto, everybody loses....it will interesting as well to see how he bounces back....and against who.

It's the winner of Rampage/Evans that gets to challenge Shogun next. Shogun gave Rampage a pretty bad beat down back in Pride.

I hope Rampage can beat Evans cause I like him but I don't know if he can beat Evans. Rua should remain champ for a while as long as he stays focused and stays healthy. I honestly thought Rua would have become UFC Champion a lot sooner when I heard he was first coming to the UFC.

[wallyj12]

With it being 1-1 (kind of) shouldn't we expect a third fight between the two before the eventual winner fights Rampage or Evans? It Seems logical, no?

Yea it would, and it still might happen but the fact that this fight ended so quickly and wasn't a close, go the distance fight as the first one was makes options for who Shogun gets more wide open.

[King1]

Yea it would, and it still might happen but the fact that this fight ended so quickly and wasn't a close, go the distance fight as the first one was makes options for who Shogun gets more wide open.


Machida doesn't deserve an immediate rematch. He needs to earn it. I'll look forward to Shogun/Rampage

[FactualJones]

Damn, I think Machida was certainly winning that round. Two take downs, two big knees. And then he gets half clipped on the side of the head and goes down. Kind of a let down of a fight.

Okay...

kind of a let down...

piss drinker got destroyed...

[1JumpShot]

Muay Thai > Karate

[wallyj12]

Haha, here's what we've all been waiting for...

http://i44.tinypic.com/sdfkpg.jpg

[Dave2000]

Haha, here's what we've all been waiting for...

got a animated gif of the Jazz flop?

[Chamillionaire]

Haha, here's what we've all been waiting for...

http://i44.tinypic.com/sdfkpg.jpg

this is great. never seen that before.

[Wakko67]

With it being 1-1 (kind of) shouldn't we expect a third fight between the two before the eventual winner fights Rampage or Evans? It Seems logical, no?

It really isn't 1-1. Lyoto lost the first fight too. I don't see the point of a rematch. Shogun looked good. He got a few hits in before the ones that finished the fight. I do agree about the match up being good for him. I don't know if other fighters are good match ups for him.

As far as Rampage goes, I think he'll beat evans without too much trouble. I also think the Rampage we saw before the meltdown was better than the Pride version so it'll be interesting to see how he does if he fights Rua.

All thats left is Dana to quit being a b**ch and let Anderson destroy his golden boy GSP. After that let The Spider go for the LHW title.

[King1]

It really isn't 1-1. Lyoto lost the first fight too. I don't see the point of a rematch. Shogun looked good. He got a few hits in before the ones that finished the fight. I do agree about the match up being good for him. I don't know if other fighters are good match ups for him.

As far as Rampage goes, I think he'll beat evans without too much trouble. I also think the Rampage we saw before the meltdown was better than the Pride version so it'll be interesting to see how he does if he fights Rua.

All thats left is Dana to quit being a b**ch and let Anderson destroy his golden boy GSP. After that let The Spider go for the LHW title.


I agree with all of this

[sew]

Daley's a little bitch.

UK fighters are pro trash talkers, then get dominated once they're in the cage.

Shogun is beast.

[Wakko67]

Daley's a little bitch.

UK fighters are pro trash talkers, then get dominated once they're in the cage.

Shogun is beast.

Daley did pull a punk move, but you have to admit Koscheck's stunt was Jazz-esque. Give Sloan that guy's number!

[Smokey]

Props to Dana White for cutting Kimbo.

Kimbo may be a nice guy, but he's garbage. Trying to sell him to viewers would be more about money (i.e., banking on his internet fame) than competition.

[vinsensual]

It really isn't 1-1. Lyoto lost the first fight too. I don't see the point of a rematch. Shogun looked good. He got a few hits in before the ones that finished the fight. I do agree about the match up being good for him. I don't know if other fighters are good match ups for him.

As far as Rampage goes, I think he'll beat evans without too much trouble. I also think the Rampage we saw before the meltdown was better than the Pride version so it'll be interesting to see how he does if he fights Rua.

All thats left is Dana to quit being a b**ch and let Anderson destroy his golden boy GSP. After that let The Spider go for the LHW title.

I agree too, but do we really want Silva doing the same thing in LHW that he's doing now? He's already going crazy from the lack of competition at 185 you kinda feel bad for him (and pissed at him too though) after watching his fight with Maia. Who at 205 besides Shogun could take him? He won't fight Machida and Rampage/Evans will have a title shot already.

[Wakko67]

I agree too, but do we really want Silva doing the same thing in LHW that he's doing now? He's already going crazy from the lack of competition at 185 you kinda feel bad for him (and pissed at him too though) after watching his fight with Maia. Who at 205 besides Shogun could take him? He won't fight Machida and Rampage/Evans will have a title shot already.

I want to see him fight GSP because GSP needs to move up a class since there seems to be no competition for him in his current one. Plus it would kill all the best fighter in the world talk.

At 205, I think Shogun would give him a fight. I also think Rampage would be fun to watch with him. I don't think Evans would do much against Spider though. Thiago Alves could be another interesting one. The LHW has so many good match ups that it would be hard to go wrong with him there. I think he'd be better challenged than fighting the guys at middleweight.

Then again, he did say he wanted to fight Brock Lesnar. Crazy as that sounds, I still woudn't count him out. :eek:

[KingCheetah]

That fight reminded of me of the second fight between Tarver v. Roy Jones Jr. Tarver's trainer told him to 'go get yours' after the first round - he meant go knock him out don't leave it to the judges again. Brutal KO by Rua.

[sew]

Daley did pull a punk move, but you have to admit Koscheck's stunt was Jazz-esque. Give Sloan that guy's number!

Agreed, I've hated Koscheck for a while now.

I'm not surprised Dana is cutting Daley, but I don't understand why he is cutting Kimbo. He's 1-1, I think he deserves at least one more fight, and although he may not be a great fighter, he's still a huge draw.

[justtxyank]

Agreed, I've hated Koscheck for a while now.

I'm not surprised Dana is cutting Daley, but I don't understand why he is cutting Kimbo. He's 1-1, I think he deserves at least one more fight, and although he may not be a great fighter, he's still a huge draw.

He's cutting him because in his two fights he has looked like a total fool. The Houston Alexander fight was atrocious with both men looking like 50 year old men who had waged a 60 minute war. This fight against Mitrione was an embarrassment. Kimbo was gassed after 2 minutes and was totally unable to defend himself.

Besides, who after Mitrione is there for Kimbo to go gas himself against next? He just lost to the bottom of the heavyweight division and was made to look like a fool in the process. He's better off crushing cans in some lower level independent promotion somewhere. He can't hang with real fighters.

[justtxyank]

I agree too, but do we really want Silva doing the same thing in LHW that he's doing now? He's already going crazy from the lack of competition at 185 you kinda feel bad for him (and pissed at him too though) after watching his fight with Maia. Who at 205 besides Shogun could take him? He won't fight Machida and Rampage/Evans will have a title shot already.

Eh...

One of the main reasons Silva is able to do what he does at MW is his size. He is incredibly long and is not a natural middleweight. He's just bigger than basically everybody he fights with a significant reach advantage. At LHW that is negated to an extent and I would be much more interested in seeing him fight guys who are big enough to actually get shots off at him without putting their whole face within reach of his elbow.

[Smokey]

I guess Dana could have kept Kimbo, but taken him off the main card until he could prove himself. That would satisfy the Kimbo fans and give real fighters a chance to be showcased.

This fight still cracks me up:

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[justtxyank]

I guess Dana could have kept Kimbo, but taken him off the main card until he could prove himself. That would satisfy the Kimbo fans and give real fighters a chance to be showcased.

Take him off the main card and fight who? Mitrione was only on the main card because he was a low level semi-can being fed to Kimbo to give him a legit shot at winning. Kimbo got embarrassed. There really isn't anyone lower than Mitrione for Kimbo to fight in a prelim.

[vinsensual]

I thought the same thing too when he faced Griffin. Of course in the grand scheme of LHW Griffin is small potatoes, but his build/reach would certainly be typical of a man in that weight class. And Silva picked him apart, almost surgically and made Griffin not want to fight anymore, someone who supposedly had warrior will.

Of course the better fighters in the class will make it much more of a sport: Shogun definitely and Rampage/Rashad probably. It's a matter of how good their boxing is, because Silva's so dodgy and can get pinpoint shots in.

[justtxyank]

I thought the same thing too when he faced Griffin. Of course in the grand scheme of LHW Griffin is small potatoes, but his build/reach would certainly be typical of a man in that weight class. And Silva picked him apart, almost surgically and made Griffin not want to fight anymore, someone who supposedly had warrior will.

Of course the better fighters in the class will make it much more of a sport: Shogun definitely and Rampage/Rashad probably. It's a matter of how good their boxing is, because Silva's so dodgy and can get pinpoint shots in.

To be clear I'm not saying Silva won't be good at LHW. Heck he might be unbeatable at LHW. We won't know until he moves up. What I'm saying is it's almost unfair at middleweight because on top of his tremendous skill he has pretty significant natural size advantages.

[coolweather]

this is great. never seen that before.

what exactly happened here?

[Luckyazn]

What is the BIG DEAL about KIMBO??


I dont get it .... he gets his ass beat .. wait SLAUGHTER/MURDER/FKED UP everytime i've seen him fight! :confused:

[mikol13]

What is the BIG DEAL about KIMBO??


I dont get it .... he gets his ass beat .. wait SLAUGHTER/MURDER/FKED UP everytime i've seen him fight! :confused:

Nothing is the big deal with Kimbo. He doesn't belong in the ufc and I'm glad he was cut, coming purely from he just can't hang with the heavies in the ufc. I couldn't stand the thought of the guy before his season on tuf. That being said I learned to appreciate him as a person while on tuf, just don't think he belongs in the UFC

[Wakko67]

To be clear I'm not saying Silva won't be good at LHW. Heck he might be unbeatable at LHW. We won't know until he moves up. What I'm saying is it's almost unfair at middleweight because on top of his tremendous skill he has pretty significant natural size advantages.

The problem is that you can say the same thing for GSP. Move him up and see how he fares. Give him Marquardt.

I don't see too many people beating Spider at 205. Rampage probably has the best shot with Shogun being the second best. Evans, IMO, has no chance. Alves could give him a nice run too. Machida would be another guy, but we already know about that.