Would you trade Brooks for George Hill?

[Carl Herrera]

I would. Hill has really emerged in this series, even Mark Cuban recognizes it. Brooks is a very good player but so is Hill and ties goes to the fullsized guy.

[REEKO_HTOWN]

I like Hills Defense and vision but AB's quickness and dead eye shooting puts him just over Hill.

[Shane4president]

Hills pretty awesome but AB cant be guarded! :grin:

[PinoyRocket]

Cuban hasn't realized taht he's an idiot for insulting the Spurs before a series.

[warmshizzle]

Hill brings great defense, but still doesn't have much court vision either. pass.

[YaoMac09]

In before DD's AB is the future speech :) .

[sbyang]

Would you trade Brooks for Tony Parker (assuming we can get the salaries to work)?

[Juxtaposed Jolt]

I think Hill might develop into the better, all-around player.

But right now, I would take Brooks over Hill.

[JayGoogle]

I really feel Brooks is the better player, and i know some here think I am a Brooks hater :rolleyes:

so no, I would not take Hill over Brooks. At least not yet, Brooks has been pretty consistent the entire year, and has been the primary option for a winning team. This is something Hill has just not done yet.

[sw847]

Would you trade Brooks for Tony Parker (assuming we can get the salaries to work)?

HELL YEAH.

Parker is a legit all star and among the best point guards in the league (3rd IMO after Rose and Williams).

Hill on the other hand, probably no. He benefits too much from the big three. Way too many wide open shots to assess his true potential on offence while brookes was keyed in on by opposing defence. But defensively, hill does a good job. Over all, I would still take brookes.

[ryano2009]

Brooks better shooter, quicker, better passer. why would anybody prefer Hill even though he is good but not as good as AB.

[Melechesh]

No thanks. Put Tim Duncan on the table and we can talk. :cool:

[b2bizchina]

I would. Hill has really emerged in this series, even Mark Cuban recognizes it. Brooks is a very good player but so is Hill and ties goes to the fullsized guy.

Chris Paul is the best Pg, Would you trade Brooks for Paul 3?

[knote32]

OoOoO this one is tough, but the answer is no.


I REALLY like Hill's game though. I think Garrett Temple could develop into something like that with some work...

[Asian Sensation]

HELL YEAH.

Parker is a legit all star and among the best point guards in the league (3rd IMO after Rose and Williams).

Hill on the other hand, probably no. He benefits too much from the big three. Way too many wide open shots to assess his true potential on offence while brookes was keyed in on by opposing defence. But defensively, hill does a good job. Over all, I would still take brookes.


LOL! Very funny.

Williams
CP3
D. Rose
Westbrook
Nash
Kidd
Rondo
Billups
Harris
Curry
Bdiddy

Then Parker maybe.

[arsenicbear]

LOL! Very funny.

Williams
CP3
D. Rose
Westbrook
Nash
Kidd
Rondo
Billups
Harris
Curry
Bdiddy

Then Parker maybe.

I'm sorry but Baron Davis is not better than Tony Parker. His shot selection is so ****ty and he does not even put in the effort to stay in shape during the summer.......

[warmshizzle]

LOL! Very funny.

Williams
CP3
D. Rose
Westbrook
Nash
Kidd
Rondo
Billups
Harris
Curry
Bdiddy

Then Parker maybe.

Uh, Lol?
Williams, Rose and Nash are difinitely better than Parker.
Paul has been injured and has been playing badly since he came back, so you cant claim hes better because hes not. None of this 'hes better when hes healthy' stuff - taken from the Howard V Yao case.
Westbrook, Rondo, Billups and Curry are arguably as good as Parker, but, if Westbrook, Rondo and Curry didnt have the "potential" tag on them, would you still take them over Parker? No. Parker is better than them right now.

Harris, Kidd, and Davis? Are you kidding me?

[Spacemoth]

Hill has more of what we'd be looking for in a PG in terms of being able to play defense, but are you serious comparing their past two regular seasons?

All we Rockets fans have to do to appreciate Brooks is remember what it was like for the PAST 15 YEARS since we traded Cassell. Brooks is the first PG we've had since then that can finish with regularity, get his floater off without giving half of the people on TV heartburn, and shoot a 3-ball at just about 40%.

Hill might be a better-looking player just in terms of body type, but right now he's got Trevor Ariza effect working for him. He's the #4 option in that offense, and his postseason play is going to significantly overvalue his regular season ability.

[DaDakota]

Put George Hill on this year's Rocket's team and he would struggle big time......he benefits a lot from playing with 3 great players, AB would make them even better.

DD

[FLASH21]

Brooks works well with what we do, I like Hill don't get me wrong but I'm good with Aaron Brooks, we're turning him into our new Mr. Clutch.

[ScolaIsBallin]

For the people who say Hill doesn't have great court vision, neither does Brooks. I'd take Hill.

[Someguy1229]

George Hill has great court vision and knows the game well but AB is just something special. I don't think we wanna trade away a special talent.

[superfob]

Too soon to tell on Hill. I don't think he can create his own offense if he's the focal point of a team. Brooks can because of his sheer speed and outside shooting. Hill might be a better complimentary piece than Brooks because he can play D and is bigger to begin with.

If Yao is close to 100% and commands double teams, I'd still rather have Brooks if he keeps shooting as well as he did this year.

[haoafu]

I prefer Hill. Brooks shines because we don't really have many options for offense. Hill can easily be a 20+pts player with efficiency and defense and size on our team. Believe it or not, Duncan/Ginobili/Parker/Jeffereson/Hill can all average 20+pts if any of them is here.

[agentkirb87]

I'd probably take Brooks for the simple reason that he knows the offense here already.

[burnshroom]

I totally believe that Hill is overly inflated.

Put Hill on this Rockets team and see if he would be playing as "seemingly" well.

His numbers and performance are only as good as Ginoble, Duncan and Parker.

This is the Trevor Ariza syndrome.

All of sudden he is on national tv and in the playoffs and is playing well for a stretch.

This is not an indication of how well he will always play if the situation were different.

[REEKO_HTOWN]

I totally believe that Hill is overly inflated.

Put Hill on this Rockets team and see if he would be playing as "seemingly" well.

His numbers and performance are only as good as Ginoble, Duncan and Parker.

This is the Trevor Ariza syndrome.

All of sudden he is on national tv and in the playoffs and is playing well for a stretch.

This is not an indication of how well he will always play if the situation were different.

If you think Hills numbers are inflated wait till AB starts playing with Yao and ? next year. His points will drop like a stone.

oh, and that Trevor Ariza got a Triple double the last game. ;)

[Air Langhi]

He played a big part in the spurs late season push. He is more eficient than brooks, but that could be due to having timmay and manu.

[agentkirb87]

I totally believe that Hill is overly inflated.

Put Hill on this Rockets team and see if he would be playing as "seemingly" well.

His numbers and performance are only as good as Ginoble, Duncan and Parker.

This is the Trevor Ariza syndrome.

All of sudden he is on national tv and in the playoffs and is playing well for a stretch.

This is not an indication of how well he will always play if the situation were different.

Yeah, someone made a point about how he would be the better role player, but Brooks would be the better scoring option. And I'm thinking, with Adelman's offensive scheme (which seems to be the "everyone is a threat" offense), Brooks would fit in better. Hill would fit better if we were still rolling with Tmac and Yao.

[throwedyung14]

Hill is a good solid rotation player... nothing more. Valuable for any team. He's not near the playmaker AB is. you can 1-4 flat with AB pretty damn well but you could never do that with Hill. Hill's value comes in the fact that he knows his role, does it well, and can occasionally step up. Spurs probably wouldn't trade Hill for AB becuase he works well with what they have, but we shouldn't think about that trade either.

[mattrbowers]

No way. First of all, Brooks gets my vote out of loyalty. Second of all, I think this kind of thing happened last year ... everyone in the league started making a big deal over this guy who helped LA get the title ... then we got him and realized he's nothing special.

Before I buy into Hill, or anyone else, I want to see them do more than get lucky in the playoffs. They need to prove they can do it night in, and night out in the regular season. Let's face it ... if you can't get to the playoffs ... you can't win the title.

[agentkirb87]

No way. First of all, Brooks gets my vote out of loyalty. Second of all, I think this kind of thing happened last year ... everyone in the league started making a big deal over this guy who helped LA get the title ... then we got him and realized he's nothing special.

Before I buy into Hill, or anyone else, I want to see them do more than get lucky in the playoffs. They need to prove they can do it night in, and night out in the regular season. Let's face it ... if you can't get to the playoffs ... you can't win the title.

Ariza is making like 6 mil a year right? I don't think we're overpaying, that's "solid role player" money.

I think what happened with Ariza is he has an awesome first few weeks of the season and then never really lived up to that the rest of the season.

[REEKO_HTOWN]

I think what happened with Ariza is he has an awesome first few weeks of the season and then never really lived up to that the rest of the season.

Although I do agree.

He did great once Martin got here. Comparing Ariza to Hill is unfair. You wouldn't bring Hill here and place him at SG and ask him to start shooting.

[desi tmac91]

Hill plays defense and call actually pass the ball. Still would go with Brooks though.

[haiti1804]

what a joke this thread is! :grin: hill can't carry Brooks jock strap!

[Yao4REAL]

I would trade Brooks for Mikey Jordan, Jerry Bird or Magi Johnson.

[bpbkforlife]

Chris Paul is the best Pg, Would you trade Brooks for Paul 3?
Hell yea I would in a "heart beat" :grin:

[Melechesh]

I was more impressed by Roddy Beaubois. George Hill's points were mostly set up by his teammates. Roddy Beaubois's dribble penetration was unguardable. This kid can really score around the basket. He could be the Tony Parker with three point range for the Mavs.

[agentkirb87]

Hill plays defense and call actually pass the ball. Still would go with Brooks though.

Plays defense and can pass the ball... sounds like Lowry to me.

The thing I like about Brooks right now is that I feel like Brooks is a legit 3rd option. And the thing that convinces me this is true is the 1st round of the playoffs last season against Portland. We've seen what he can do with legit talent on the team.

[Yao4REAL]

Plays defense and can pass the ball... sounds like Lowry to me.

The thing I like about Brooks right now is that I feel like Brooks is a legit 3rd option. And the thing that convinces me this is true is the 1st round of the playoffs last season against Portland. We've seen what he can do with legit talent on the team.

More like 2nd option to me. When they shut down Yao, then they will do pick n roll with Brooks. Martin is like a 3rd option and more comfortable having someone create open looks for him.

[Shaud]

HELL YEAH.

Parker is a legit all star and among the best point guards in the league (3rd IMO after Rose and Williams).


Are you serious? Parker better than Chris Paul?

Derrick Rose is not even a top 2 point guard.

To answer the OP's question , I would rather have Brooks.

[agentkirb87]

More like 2nd option to me. When they shut down Yao, then they will do pick n roll with Brooks. Martin is like a 3rd option and more comfortable having someone create open looks for him.

We can argue back and forth who's better between Martin and Brooks. It doesn't really matter too much because they both play for us and both start. Historically Martin has scored more, and has been the more efficient scorer (for Sacramento).

[Shaud]

Uh, Lol?
Williams, Rose and Nash are difinitely better than Parker.
Paul has been injured and has been playing badly since he came back, so you cant claim hes better because hes not.
Chris Paul is better than Tony Parker.

I didn't even think it was debatable.

[Asian Sensation]

Chris Paul is better than Tony Parker.

I didn't even think it was debatable.

Seriously.

[RHU525]

Chris Paul is better than Tony Parker.

I didn't even think it was debatable.

100% agree.

Even if you make the case that CP3 has been injured soo has Tony Parker. His numbers are down all across the board this year. I'll take CP3 everytime.

[Commodore]

Brooks getting by his man every time sets up the rest of our offense. No one can stay in front of him, and if they sag off he will drain the outside shot, and he has shown he can do it in pressure situations several times this season. That makes up for his deficiencies.

Plus he really advanced this year as far as learning to find the open man when defences collapse on him.

[T-mac&Yao=RING]

The Mavs series was a coming out party for Hill, but we dont know if that was just a one series thing I would have to see more before taking him over AB. We know what we have in AB, he put up nice number for a whole season plus he might get better. So I'll take a whole season over just one series.

[rocksclo]

really hard to believe that some people would make a thread like this.... wow. speechless.

[txppratt]

if aaron brooks stays healthy in his career he will be remembered as one of the great rocket point guards.

i really hope he stays with us to win it all.

[ryano2009]

I don't understand how people are saying that he has better vision than Brooks, the guy has averaged 0.7 APG against the mavs in the serious, 0.7 APG, how the hell this guys has a good vision, could somebody explain that to me ??

[choujie]

Tough call.

But Hill in his 2nd years is better than AB in his 2nd year. With healthy Yao/Martin/Scola/Ariza, Hill will be a better fit. He has defense and he can shoot. We need more defense than offense for that lineup, plus Hill is not a offensive liability at all.

[Noob Cake]

Hill has a probably the same amount of vision, a little less scoring ability, but Brooks makes him look like DPOY.

I would prefer Hill.

[NMS is the Best]

Brooks creates his own shots. Hill simply feeds off the attention defenses give to Parker, Duncan, and Ginobili (anyone who watched the Dallas series knows that Hill got open shots all series long). I'll take Brooks any day...

[RedRedemption]

Yes! Let's base all our good notions on him after one good playoff series...

Talent-wise, I see nothing special.

[warmshizzle]

Chris Paul is better than Tony Parker.

I didn't even think it was debatable.

So Yao is better than Howard then, right?

[Pass 1st, shoot 2nd]

LOL! Very funny.

Williams
CP3
D. Rose
Westbrook
Nash
Kidd
Rondo
Billups
Harris
Curry
Bdiddy

Then Parker maybe.

Rose and Westbrook above Nash, Kidd and Rondo? Really? Wow.

[BarkleyHater84]

What a stupid thread. George hill is playing a hall of famer, who happens to be the best PF ever. Put Aaron Brooks in San Antonio and results would be around the same, except I think Brooks' quickness would be a serious matchup nightmare when paired with Tony Parker.
/thread

[feihung316]

Trevor Ariza looked really good at this point last year too.

[BarkleyHater84]

Chris Paul is better than Tony Parker.

I didn't even think it was debatable.
Yeah that being "better" has gotten him deep in the playoffs, huh?

[DaFranchise03]

What a stupid thread. George hill is playing a hall of famer, who happens to be the best PF ever. Put Aaron Brooks in San Antonio and results would be around the same, except I think Brooks' quickness would be a serious matchup nightmare when paired with Tony Parker.
/thread

It wouldnt be the same at all. Pops would bench Brooks for not being able to pass to the post. Hill can do a lot with little.

I still think pairing Martin and Brooks is a horrible idea cause of their defense so I went with Hill. Brooks may be a better scorer but with Yao back you dont need a 20point scorer. Hill is getting better at driving and finishing. He can now make the corner three consistently. Eventually he will learn to shoot from everywhere.

[R0ckets03]

LOL! Very funny.

Williams
CP3
D. Rose
Westbrook
Nash
Kidd
Rondo
Billups
Harris
Curry
Bdiddy

Then Parker maybe.

WTF kind of crack are you smoking?

[R0ckets03]

I wonder how much more effective AB would be with a post presence like Timmy?

[agentkirb87]

I wonder how much more effective AB would be with a post presence like Timmy?

People forget that this is basically the same Aaron Brooks we saw after the Alston trade. The stats weren't as extravagant because I dont think he had the complete green light from Adelman yet, but you saw how he performed with Yao in the paint.

[warmshizzle]

People forget that this is basically the same Aaron Brooks we saw after the Alston trade. The stats weren't as extravagant because I dont think he had the complete green light from Adelman yet, but you saw how he performed with Yao in the paint.

No. This Aaron is a much better shooter, better slasher, has a nice floater, makes better decisions, and doesnt dissapear for whole games.

[agentkirb87]

No. This Aaron is a much better shooter, better slasher, has a nice floater, makes better decisions, and doesnt dissapear for whole games.

Because he had more of a green light.

I guess this is an agree or disagree situation. I think the Aaron Brooks that's "most improved" really did the most improvement in the offseason the year before last. His FG% got better this year because his shot selection got better and he learned how to "run" a team when he became a starter, sure. But we remember last year all the threads saying Aaron Brooks should start. And then when we made the trade and the critics said we were wrong handing the team over to a young Aaron Brooks. So while statistically he looked a lot better this year compared to last, you could see a lot of the "new" Brooks last year as well.

[sw847]

Are you serious? Parker better than Chris Paul?

Derrick Rose is not even a top 2 point guard.

To answer the OP's question , I would rather have Brooks.

Lol I said IMO. So Yes I am serious. I just like parker's game over paul's. I feel chris paul over dribbles too much same as nash.

Anyway, I am just saying I would take parker over Ab any day but Hill is not on the same level as AB0, maybe in the future, but not now.

[rocketnam]

Without a second thought!!! That would spread the offense out and work out better for the team....at least I think so.

[warmshizzle]

Because he had more of a green light.

I guess this is an agree or disagree situation. I think the Aaron Brooks that's "most improved" really did the most improvement in the offseason the year before last. His FG% got better this year because his shot selection got better and he learned how to "run" a team when he became a starter, sure. But we remember last year all the threads saying Aaron Brooks should start. And then when we made the trade and the critics said we were wrong handing the team over to a young Aaron Brooks. So while statistically he looked a lot better this year compared to last, you could see a lot of the "new" Brooks last year as well.

Im sorry. You can't claim that hes better because he has more experience and also claim that hes the same player as he was last season.
It's called a contradiction.

[redao]

"trade Brooks for XXX" ------Is that all you haters can do by posting garbage threads to fullfil your secret hatred??

[Shaud]

Yeah that being "better" has gotten him deep in the playoffs, huh?
So I guess you think Tony Parker could get those New Orleans team further than Chris Paul has taken them.

Interesting.

[Shaud]

So Yao is better than Howard then, right?
It's a pretty big difference between the two discussions.

Yao and Howard are close in comparison and Yao just missed the whole season.

I don't think anyone has ever said Tony Parker was better than Chris Paul. Before the injury he was playing like an MVP. When he did come back he didin't even play in a lot of games.

[choujie]

Trevor Ariza looked really good at this point last year too.

Ariza will look really good again once healthy Yao returns. Actually he looked very good after he went back to play sf since Martin got here.

[WillG]

Would you guys still trade Brooks for Hill after the Suns series?

[mfastx]

No, but I would trade Brooks for Dragic. :grin:

[DaDakota]

Well I think this thread has been exposed.

DD

[rocketblaze]

I would trade Aaron Brooks for Jrue Holiday... and I would do this as soon as possible, b/f Philly realizes that they got a diamond in the rough in Holiday....

--RB

[AGBee]

The George Hill hate in the Spurstalk game threads is off the charts now.

[EffTheJazz!!!]

Wasnt there a thread about Lebron vs. AB and more than half said AB??

Well, that was ridiculous... and, no i wouldnt take hill over AB... if yall said MIP>MVP, then how could u even consider Hill??

[ChrisBosh]

I just wish Brooks could play better D, its the only big negative I have on him....

[david_rocket]

Wasnt there a thread about Lebron vs. AB and more than half said AB??

Well, that was ridiculous... and, no i wouldnt take hill over AB... if yall said MIP>MVP, then how could u even consider Hill??

well that thread was more sarcastic than realistic, this thread was more serious.

[NMS is the Best]

The George Hill hate in the Spurstalk game threads is off the charts now.

Yep, I knew George Hill was overrated after the Dallas series. I watched that series - he never had to create a shot for himself. He was always wide open because Dallas was paying extra attention to Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili.

Anything Hill did against Dallas doesn't compare to what Brooks did against the Lakers in the playoffs last year. This debate was never even close...