Morey on 610 - 8:00am [Archive]

DaDakota

12-10-2009, 08:12 AM

Joined in progress: Part 1

DM: Thought it was a great team effort have great defenders like Shane and Trevor but Lebron takes more than that, overall coaches and staff did a great job and made him work hard on every possession.

H: Lebron had 43 the night before but only 27, and taking care of business at home, why are the Rockets so good against Clev at home

DM: Our coaching staff, and personel, having Chuck being able to handle Shaq and Landry and Scola matching up well, we are a good matchup with them.

H: Shaq - how does he fit in Clev?

DM: I liked that pickup for them, but he seems like he is struggling with something, he is definitly not the shaq we remember, I don't really care how they do (LOL) but he has to turn it around for them to reach the next level.

H: If you beat Portland you would have won 5 in a row, when he is not playing the Rockets he is fun to watch work.

DM: Carl was matching him shot to shot, but with less than 3 seconds, you can't go to a big, Brandon came up big in a shot for shot game, with oden out they were focusing hard on winning that game.

H: It seems we are taking more charges diving for more loose balls now, is that a part of the plan?

DM: We lead the league in that by a decent margin, and last night look at Aaron and Trevor and Chuck, like 7 or 8, couple more they could have called the one on Lebron and Luis...got to protect the paint some way, and without Yao and Deke, that is how we have to get it done

H: Overall where are you?

DM: Defense we are still far off from where we are last year, on offense maintaining a level of consistency and get a good shot every possession, it is part of being young....in the 3rd quarter last night, when they werent scoring we could have opened up a big lead, but we were not doing that well at that time either.

H: Number 1 sports movie - Hoops Dreams....going to break.....

DD

DaDakota

12-10-2009, 08:28 AM

Part 2 -

H: Giving away a family 4 pack including an AB bobblehead (DD -needs this)...

DM: Who was the head coach of the Pistons and the Rockets?

H: Get it right first to win the 4 pack...

H: Best basketball movie in your opinion?

DM: HoopDreams is a great movie, any aspiring pro basketball player should watch it.....the other favorite basketball movie is Eddie with Whoopi Goldberg - LOL....what about the Fish that saved Pittsburgh...lol

H: Top 5 that one is....LOL

H: Yao went to talk to Z after game....

DM: I did not know that, they have been friends they have faced off internationally, it is an amazing story, Z was one of the most injured players in the first few years, now he is the all time leader in games played by the Cavs...good story.

H: Jon on a mobile.

J: I had a question about last nights game, and when Chuck Hayes got fouled, why did Carl Landry try to go the foul line, where they trying to trick the refs.....

DM: Yeah, of course I remember it....if Chuck didn't act guilty.....we might have gotten away with it.....I don't know maybe Carl thought it was a technical foul...lol......Is there a difference between Chuck and Carl's freethrows.....

H: Don Cheney coached both.....pisotons and Rockets...we have a winnner.

Ocho Texto: Props to Trevor...he finally shot well.

DM: That seems like a left handed comment.....do you watch only one side of the ball?

Ocho...no I know he is good, but you don't spend all that money on defense only am I correct?

DM: Well we want guys who shoot 50%...but every player could be better, but we are pretty happy.

Ocho: We had high hopes for the Texans but they stunk this year, but you guys have put a band aid......would you be on Chris Bosh door step when Free agency starts?

DM: LOL.

Caller : I want to know will Tmac be playing this season

DM: Yeah, he will definitly be playing...when is hard for coach to figure out when that is happening, coach has said he had a pretty good week, we will see, for coach we will see when Tracy can help us and when it happens he will get ou there.

H: Is it the Explosion that Adelman is looking for our of Tmac?

DM: He is looking that he can play the style that we are playing, and has explosion and will join in a positive way, and play every game when he does come back.

H: Memphis, what is going on there/

DM: I was mad because thought they would make Clev mad after losing to them....but they were definitely tired...as long as Memphis beats everyone but us, I hope they do great.

Darrel caller: I know the Rockets are playing well, hope to see them in the playoffs this year, in the big playoff picture, would the Rockets be able to add some type of big man to take on the teams like the Spurs and Lakers, any thoughts?

DM: Always looking to upgrade, if we could find a defensive 7 footer this year we would look at that, unfortunatly those guys make a lot of money and are coveted by their team, we would look at that if we could.

H: Being 7 foot tall is like being a left handed pitcher in baseball.

DM: All things equal, you take the taller player.....

H: Philly and Toronto.

DM: Big Rocket fans know these next two game have been our death trip...we have lost in Philly and Toronto the last few seasons, we need to get those wins - get on the McDonalds 4 pack...4 tickets, 4 sodas, 4 hot dogs...great deal.....

H: Thanks for coming on.

DM: Thanks for having me I appreciate it.

THE END

DD

larsv8

12-10-2009, 08:28 AM

30 minutes and not alot said =/

REEKO_HTOWN

12-10-2009, 08:32 AM

Ocho texto continues to sound like an Idiot. Great Rockets fan, awful critic.

DaDakota

12-10-2009, 08:33 AM

Ocho texto continues to sound like an Idiot. Great Rockets fan, awful critic.

Nah, I don't think he sounds like an idiot at all, just a guy with a difference of opinion on some things.

He hated Rafer...he was WAY right on that...lol.

DD

K mf G

12-10-2009, 08:36 AM

worst interviewers ever

REEKO_HTOWN

12-10-2009, 08:37 AM

Nah, I don't think he sounds like an idiot at all, just a guy with a difference of opinion on some things.

He hated Rafer...he was WAY right on that...lol.

DD

yeah but it's the way he says it. Asked before the game, "Who has a better shot at making a basket, Trevor wide open from 3, or Chuck with a hook over a tall player 5 feet away? He said his money is on Chuck....that makes him look dumb.

Plus, everyone knew Rafer sucked.

Props for the work DaDa.

DaDakota

12-10-2009, 08:38 AM

yeah but it's the way he says it. Asked before the game, "Who has a better shot at making a basket, Trevor wide open from 3, or Chuck with a hook over a tall player 5 feet away? He said his money is on Chuck....that makes him look dumb.

Plus, everyone knew Rafer sucked.

Yeah, fair point, but I think he was just being funny.....and my money would be on Trevor if he doesn't have to dribble the ball or move....

;)

Props for the work DaDa.

You're welcome, glad I could be of assistance...

DD

DieHard Rocket

12-10-2009, 09:00 AM

Ocho texto sure gets around. How does he listen to two morning shows at once? That guy needs to get a job.

Yetti

12-10-2009, 09:01 AM

stonecold999

12-10-2009, 09:02 AM

Nah, I don't think he sounds like an idiot at all, just a guy with a difference of opinion on some things.

He hated Rafer...he was WAY right on that...lol.

DD

he is a yao hater!!

DaDakota

12-10-2009, 09:04 AM

Thank you Daryl Morey!!
Now we know the TRUTH
Tracy McGrady will play for the Houston Rockets this season!
Signed and sealed in the vault of Sports truth.
Peace be to all Rockets fans, now we can be patient and let
everyone do their jobs :p

Truth.....

But at the risk of making this a Tmac thread, I did find it VERY telling that Morey mentioned "STYLE" of play when asked.

I mean having the GM say that, sort of validates a lot of people's concerns that Tracy's style doesn't necessarily fit this team.

I guess we shall see what happens...still interesting though.

he is a yao hater!!

Well not everyone is right about everything......

;)

DD

REEKO_HTOWN

12-10-2009, 09:05 AM

Thank you Daryl Morey!!
Now we know the TRUTH
Tracy McGrady will play for the Houston Rockets this season! :p

not so fast my furry little friend.

Morey said T-mac will play but didn't confirm him playing here did he? ;)

mikol13

12-10-2009, 09:09 AM

Thanks for the recap DD, much appreciated

durvasa

12-10-2009, 09:14 AM

crash5179

12-10-2009, 09:20 AM

Thank you Daryl Morey!!
Now we know the TRUTH
Tracy McGrady will play for the Houston Rockets this season!
Signed and sealed in the vault of Sports truth.
Peace be to all Rockets fans, now we can be patient and let
everyone do their jobs :p

He said TMac would definitely play this season.... but he did not say definitively that it would be with the Rockets. :p

Carl Herrera

12-10-2009, 09:26 AM

DaDakota

12-10-2009, 09:28 AM

Speaking of Trevor: Is it just me or does it seem like he's been taking less "bad risks" going for steals of late? He still gambles, it just seems to me that in the last few games, there were fewer wreckless ones.

Are you sure?

That reach on Brandon Roy on the last scoring drive of the game still rankles me...

DD

Dave_78

12-10-2009, 09:32 AM

On with Mark and John on 610 at 8AM (about 30 minutes). It would be huge if you listen in at: http://bit.ly/4xfZwm You gotta do this for me.

Did no one else get the Tiger Woods' joke here? That's hilarious!

HowsMyDriving

12-10-2009, 09:37 AM

Thanks for the recap :cool:

some interesting points to be sure.

if he used the words "he will definitely be playing" in describing the tracy situation, that's more clarity than we have ever had about that.

also, his staunch support for what Ariza is doing, despite what appears to be low-efficiency, kind of interests me. i've always thought he gave Ariza a bit of a pass because he's growing as a player and needs to get his shots in, and i think that's the right call. but judging by these comments it sounds like he's content with Ariza's game, not as an investment in developing for the future, but his game as it stands. that surprises me too, because he seems so inefficient.

HowsMyDriving

12-10-2009, 09:39 AM

Did no one else get the Tiger Woods' joke here? That's hilarious!

yeah, i thought it was funny too. that's from the voicemail where he asks the girl to change her voicemail message right?

well played, mr. morey.

DaDakota

12-10-2009, 09:39 AM

some interesting points to be sure.

if he used the words "he will definitely be playing" in describing the tracy situation, that's more clarity than we have ever had about that.

also, his staunch support for what Ariza is doing, despite what appears to be low-efficiency, kind of interests me. i've always thought he gave Ariza a bit of a pass because he's growing as a player and needs to get his shots in, and i think that's the right call. but judging by these comments it sounds like he's content with Ariza's game, not as an investment in developing for the future, but his game as it stands. that surprises me too, because he seems so inefficient.

Regarding Ariza, Morey has said in the past that they want him to shoot more this year, so that he is a good 2nd or 3rd option next year.

This is a developmental year...for sure.

Thanks for the recap :cool:

You are welcome.

DD

t_mac1

12-10-2009, 09:44 AM

Regarding Ariza, Morey has said in the past that they want him to shoot more this year, so that he is a good 2nd or 3rd option next year.

DD

morey forgot his coffee this morning probably and must not be fully awake when he said that.

Clutch34

12-10-2009, 09:56 AM

He said TMac would definitely play this season.... but he did not say definitively that it would be with the Rockets. :p

He did not specifically say Tracy would play for the Rockets, but according to Dada's recap,
all signs point to Tracy playing for the Rockets. At least until he gets traded... :grin:

"DM: Yeah, he will definitly be playing...when is hard for coach to figure out when that is happening,
coach has said he had a pretty good week, we will see, for coach we will see when Tracy can help us
and when it happens he will get out there."

REEKO_HTOWN

12-10-2009, 10:24 AM

morey forgot his coffee this morning probably and must not be fully awake when he said that.

whatever t_mac

HowsMyDriving

12-10-2009, 10:35 AM

Regarding Ariza, Morey has said in the past that they want him to shoot more this year, so that he is a good 2nd or 3rd option next year.
DD

Does that worry anyone else? I'm asking from the perspective of: will the strides that Ariza & Brooks are making this year really translate to a Yao-first structure?

I don't know. I'm probably overthinking it, but I'm afraid of the potential clash in style of play and rhythm once Yao returns.

raj87

12-10-2009, 10:42 AM

Does that worry anyone else? I'm asking from the perspective of: will the strides that Ariza & Brooks are making this year really translate to a Yao-first structure?

I don't know. I'm probably overthinking it, but I'm afraid of the potential clash in style of play and rhythm once Yao returns.

Most likely, Darryl Morey is wishing that Trevor Ariza and Aaron Brooks will see their respective values rise in anticipation of a trade. Darryl Morey has not made it secret that he envys the Boston Celtics, with their three super-stars. He now is armed with the knowledge to make it happen, which is to trade talented, but ugly players like Al Jefferson for superstars like Kevin Garret.

yorkyufan

12-10-2009, 11:24 AM

podcast is up: http://www.sportsradio610.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=4222941

Prince

12-10-2009, 11:31 AM

DM: He is looking that he can play the style that we are playing, and has explosion and will join in a positive way, and play every game when he does come back.

This is the key!

DaDakota

12-10-2009, 11:33 AM

This is the key!

Yes it is, and he may not ever get there, or he might get there tomorrow.

I think a lot of it is in his head...can he fit in?

DD

Prince

12-10-2009, 11:43 AM

Yes it is, and he may not ever get there, or he might get there tomorrow.

I think a lot of it is in his head...can he fit in?

DD

old habits are hard to break.

DaDakota

12-10-2009, 12:08 PM

old habits are hard to break.

And honestly, if that were the case, you could not blame either side.

Rick Adelman has had significant success with the team ball first approach.

Tmac has had significant success with the ball in his hands and making all the decisions.

It is a standoff, I honestly think the only way Tmac plays any significant time is if he comes in and plays on both ends of the floor and off the ball with movement and intensity, otherwise, there is no reason for the organization to help him out by showcasing him for his next contract.

DD

Prince

12-10-2009, 12:52 PM

It is a standoff, I honestly think the only way Tmac plays any significant time is if he comes in and plays on both ends of the floor and off the ball with movement and intensity, otherwise, there is no reason for the organization to help him out by showcasing him for his next contract.

DD

what abotu showcasing him for a good trade?

DaDakota

12-10-2009, 12:56 PM

what abotu showcasing him for a good trade?

There is no team that would give up $20+ million in assets for a half year rental......unless they are starting over.

So, whether he plays great, or crap...it doesn't matter, his value is his contract.

The only one that benefits from him playing well is Tmac, so he gets a new contract out of it.

DD

tehG l i d e

12-10-2009, 01:43 PM

duh...

Rocketsmith

12-10-2009, 01:59 PM

The only one that benefits from him playing well is Tmac, so he gets a new contract out of it.

DD

It would help the Rockets! I definitely love the team players we currently have, but don't think they have enough talent to go deep in the playoffs. This team is bigger than any individual player, so I don't worry about T-Mac upsetting the apple cart.

HowsMyDriving

12-10-2009, 02:03 PM

There is no team that would give up $20+ million in assets for a half year rental......unless they are starting over.

So, whether he plays great, or crap...it doesn't matter, his value is his contract.

The only one that benefits from him playing well is Tmac, so he gets a new contract out of it.

DD

after hearing Morey's comments this morning, I don't know if we can frame up the situation the same way (i would have said exactly what you just did, by the way, before hearing this interview). From what I've heard, people within the organization were pretty convinced after the surprise surgery debacle that Tracy had played his last game in houston. but if Morey is saying he will "definitely" play then a couple of questions must be asked: 1) why? what is there to gain for the Rockets? and 2) what has changed that now they are willing to play him whereas before they were not?

raj87

12-10-2009, 02:20 PM

after hearing Morey's comments this morning, I don't know if we can frame up the situation the same way (i would have said exactly what you just did, by the way, before hearing this interview). From what I've heard, people within the organization were pretty convinced after the surprise surgery debacle that Tracy had played his last game in houston. but if Morey is saying he will "definitely" play then a couple of questions must be asked: 1) why? what is there to gain for the Rockets? and 2) what has changed that now they are willing to play him whereas before they were not?

I will address your concerns:

1). They want a better maker of plays, hence more wins in store for the Rockets

2). This would be just another case of two human beings coming together on a compromise. Nothing brand new about that occurrence.

Pocket Rockets

12-10-2009, 02:26 PM

I will address your concerns:

1). They want a better maker of plays, hence more wins in store for the Rockets

2). This would be just another case of two human beings coming together on a compromise. Nothing brand new about that occurrence.
1. At the cost of developing younger players?
2. How does this benefit the team if this individual is not in the organization in 6 months?

DaDakota

12-10-2009, 02:27 PM

I will address your concerns:

1). They want a better maker of plays, hence more wins in store for the Rockets

2). This would be just another case of two human beings coming together on a compromise. Nothing brand new about that occurrence.

Exactly.

They tore him down, and now they have to build him up.

DD

raj87

12-10-2009, 02:42 PM

1. At the cost of developing younger players?
2. How does this benefit the team if this individual is not in the organization in 6 months?

1). At this point in time, Aaron Brooks is what he will always be: a player who is useful when his shot is hot and on target.

Trevor Ariza has shown the management more than enough at this point: A player who cannot make plays on offense. I do enjoy wis skills in defending the passing lanes.

The rest of the point guards and shooting guards are complimentary players to Tracy McGrady. The front of court players will most likely receive improved enter passes and space.

2). Kindly note, that neither you nor I are aware of the team's future plans for Tracy McGrady, making it an assomption, hence that point is not worthy of discussion.

Pocket Rockets

12-10-2009, 03:10 PM

1).
2). Kindly note, that neither you nor I are aware of the team's future plans for Tracy McGrady, making it an assomption, hence that point is not worthy of discussion.
As the assumption of AB being what he is and not believing he still has room to grow? Same with Chase, Landry and Lowry? Why would you assume that integrating Tracy would automatically make these complimentary players any better with the "ball-stopper" track record that McGrady has?

BucMan55

12-10-2009, 03:14 PM

1). At this point in time, Aaron Brooks is what he will always be: a player who is useful when his shot is hot and on target.

Considering the growth of his passing ability just since the postseason last year, I dont know if its fair to say that. Also, last time I checked his layups/basket area hot zone is about 9-10% better than last year.

Hayesfan

12-10-2009, 03:17 PM

Exactly.

They tore him down, and now they have to build him up.

DD

Okay Norman Dale.

DaDakota

12-10-2009, 03:24 PM

Okay Norman Dale.

I was hoping someone would catch it.......

:grin:

DD

raj87

12-10-2009, 03:40 PM

As the assumption of AB being what he is and not believing he still has room to grow? Same with Chase, Landry and Lowry? Why would you assume that integrating Tracy would automatically make these complimentary players any better with the "ball-stopper" track record that McGrady has?

Aaron Brooks has obvious physical limitations that hamper his ability to see over his defenders, particularly on double man defense. In addition, he has not the skills/size to score in traffic, save the floater that he likes to throw up when in close proximity to the goal. These two facts are irrefutable and contribute to Aaron Brook's potential being limited.

Chase Budinger, Carl Landry and Kyle Lowery all provide specialized skills off of the bench. I hope they continue to fill those roles, as they all have their limitations that prevent them from starting (Landry's lack of defense and Lowery's lack of long range shooting come to mind). Furthermore, Budinger is a rookie and will continue to receive his time off the bench for the remainder of the season as expected of him.

Addressing your concern regarding Tracy's reputation as a ball stopper, you should watch game footage of players such as Chuck Hayes, Shane Battier and Steve Novak receiving open shots via crisp passes from Tracy McGrady at the end of the 4th quarter in clutch time! I also believe that McGrady would have received more assists in the past if Rafer Aslton was more efficient of a shooter.

The bottom draw, is that Tracy Mcgrady has to be chewing at the bat to integrate his self into this offense. This has championship potential if he integrates fully (kindly note the 22 game streak of wins).

DaDakota

12-10-2009, 03:44 PM

Aaron Brooks has obvious physical limitations that hamper his ability to see over his defenders, particularly on double man defense. In addition, he has not the skills/size to score in traffic, save the floater that he likes to throw up when in close proximity to the goal. These two facts are irrefutable and contribute to Aaron Brook's potential being limited.

Sorry, but that is just flat out myopic and incorrect.

Allen Iverson, Calvin Murphy, Tony Parker, CP3, tons of quality guards have been heighth challenged.

No one can say what AB's potential is or isn't...the guy has started 50ish games..FIFTY !!!!

And he is currently shooting 45%, 38% 3pters, and nearly 6 assists while scoring 17ppg.

That is GREAT production from a guy who is only in his 3rd year and barely has any starting experience.

There is a reason that all the announcers rave about him, and Kobe calls him Tony Parkerish...and JVG talks about how lucky the Rockets were to get a player of his abilities so late in the first round.

Because, he is flat out GOOD, and is only getting better.

Size is irrelevant.

DD

raj87

12-10-2009, 03:52 PM

Sorry, but that is just flat out myopic and incorrect.

Allen Iverson, Calvin Murphy, tons of quality guards have been heighth challenged.

No one can say what AB's potential is or isn't...the guy has started 50ish games..FIFTY !!!!

And he is currently shooting 45%, 38% 3pters, and nearly 6 assists while scoring 17ppg.

That is GREAT production from a guy who is only in his 3rd year and barely has any starting experience.

There is a reason that all the announcers rave about him, and Kobe calls him Tony Parkerish...and JVG talks about how lucky the Rockets were to get a player of his abilities so late in the first round.

Because, he is flat out GOOD, and is only getting better.

Size is irrelevant.

DD

I will look past your insult, DD and take the higher ground.

There is a flaw in your comparisons. Calvin Murphy and Allen Iverson are/were significantly tougher players when it comes to finishing strong in the paint. Aaron Brooks has not shown the ability to consistantly finish in the paint like those players (does not possess the wiry strentgh of Calvin Murphy or Iverson's ability to absorb contact and finish drives to the goal), hence he has limited potential.

Come to face it, DD, Aaron Brooks is wonderful when his shot is hot, but disappears from the game when not.

BucMan55

12-10-2009, 03:54 PM

Sorry, but that is just flat out myopic and incorrect.

Allen Iverson, Calvin Murphy, Tony Parker, CP3, tons of quality guards have been heighth challenged.

No one can say what AB's potential is or isn't...the guy has started 50ish games..FIFTY !!!!

And he is currently shooting 45%, 38% 3pters, and nearly 6 assists while scoring 17ppg.

That is GREAT production from a guy who is only in his 3rd year and barely has any starting experience.

There is a reason that all the announcers rave about him, and Kobe calls him Tony Parkerish...and JVG talks about how lucky the Rockets were to get a player of his abilities so late in the first round.

Because, he is flat out GOOD, and is only getting better.

Size is irrelevant.

DD

Let me add that a taller Russel Westbrook is shooting 50% under the basket, a taller Brandon Roy is shooting 57%, and a taller\stronger Chauncey Billups is shooting 53% under the basket. Aaron Brooks at 54% is in good company, and most certainly not a turnover in waiting when he penetrates the lane.

Pocket Rockets

12-10-2009, 03:55 PM

Addressing your concern regarding Tracy's reputation as a ball stopper, you should watch game footage of players such as Chuck Hayes, Shane Battier and Steve Novak receiving open shots via crisp passes from Tracy McGrady at the end of the 4th quarter in clutch time! I also believe that McGrady would have received more assists in the past if Rafer Aslton was more efficient of a shooter.

The bottom draw, is that Tracy Mcgrady has to be chewing at the bat to integrate his self into this offense. This has championship potential if he integrates fully (kindly note the 22 game streak of wins).

No response is necessary :rolleyes:

Rocketsmith

12-10-2009, 03:57 PM

DaDakota

12-10-2009, 03:58 PM

I will look past your insult, DD and take the higher ground.

Sorry, wasn't trying to insult you just stating that you were taking a very narrow minded view, and one impossible to back up in only his 55ish start in the league.

Come to face it, DD, Aaron Brooks is wonderful when his shot is hot, but disappears from the game when not.

Actually Raj87, that is true of a lot of player, most everyone in fact......

And, a lot of that goes away with playing time and confidence developed over games and games of starting.

Unless traded, our starting PG spot is secure for the next 7ish years with AB.

DD

BucMan55

12-10-2009, 04:03 PM

Come to face it, DD, Aaron Brooks is wonderful when his shot is hot, but disappears from the game when not.

Aaron made 2 jump shots in last night game. I would venture a guess that of the 10 shots me missed, 7 or 8 were jumpers. So with his "shot" not with him yesterday, he still managed 27 pts( hey, lets take away the Tech foul shots) er 22 points and 6 assists. How did he get those points? Penetration and finishing at the rim.

Hardly a disappearing job. But keep preaching the same old tired points.

raj87

12-10-2009, 04:10 PM

No response is necessary :rolleyes:

Considering that I did not pose a question, then I agree.

Hayesfan

12-10-2009, 04:12 PM

I was hoping someone would catch it.......

:grin:

DD

Hoosiers is my favorite basketball movie...

"Barely big enough for three syllables the Hickory Huskers"

raj87

12-10-2009, 04:15 PM

Sorry, wasn't trying to insult you just stating that you were taking a very narrow minded view, and one impossible to back up in only his 55ish start in the league.

Actually Raj87, that is true of a lot of player, most everyone in fact......

And, a lot of that goes away with playing time and confidence developed over games and games of starting.

Unless traded, our starting PG spot is secure for the next 7ish years with AB.

DD

I agree that Brooks should be the starting point guard. I was just pointing out that he has no business attempting to be option one for the Houston Rockets, especially as the primary playmaker.

raj87

12-10-2009, 04:17 PM

Aaron made 2 jump shots in last night game. I would venture a guess that of the 10 shots me missed, 7 or 8 were jumpers. So with his "shot" not with him yesterday, he still managed 27 pts( hey, lets take away the Tech foul shots) er 22 points and 6 assists. How did he get those points? Penetration and finishing at the rim.

Hardly a disappearing job. But keep preaching the same old tired points.

Please kindly note that the majority of his penetration ends with Brooks avoiding contact and making a shot you would see at the circus or a Rafer Alston highlight reel.

raj87

12-10-2009, 04:18 PM

Let me add that a taller Russel Westbrook is shooting 50% under the basket, a taller Brandon Roy is shooting 57%, and a taller\stronger Chauncey Billups is shooting 53% under the basket. Aaron Brooks at 54% is in good company, and most certainly not a turnover in waiting when he penetrates the lane.

This post is not worth addressing, as you are simply taking statistics out of context, which is unproductive to our discussion.

DaDakota

12-10-2009, 04:18 PM

I agree that Brooks should be the starting point guard. I was just pointing out that he has no business attempting to be option one for the Houston Rockets, especially as the primary playmaker.

I disagree with you completely.

I think he is growing into just that very thing.

And his efficiency in only his 50 something start is already much better than the guy you are saying should replace him as the number 1 option.

Why take a guy that is a sub 42% shooter and make him option 1?

One of the reasons I do not want Tmac back is that he would take the ball away from Brooks, and I think that is a mistake.

DD

raj87

12-10-2009, 04:22 PM

DaDakota

12-10-2009, 04:31 PM

I respect your opinion, and I will leave it that.

I respect yours as well, and please notice I am not saying Brooks is a better player.....just that he will be here NEXT year whereas Tmac more than likely will not.

So, I would rather the guy that will be here be the guy getting the touches and getting better.

DD

BucMan55

12-10-2009, 04:39 PM

This post is not worth addressing, as you are simply taking statistics out of context, which is unproductive to our discussion.

Out of context??

FG% percentage under the rim is the statistic. You said Aaron is a terrible finisher under the basket. I showed you several taller players(and generally regarded as better playmakers) who are on par with Brooks(some under, some over) at scoring percentage under the rim. I have also showed where his percentage under there has improved from last season.

The fact that most of those other players have over twice as many starts as Brooks adds light to the discussion that he is improving and not quite a "what you see is what you get."

Pocket Rockets

12-10-2009, 04:51 PM

I agree that Brooks should be the starting point guard. I was just pointing out that he has no business attempting to be option one for the Houston Rockets, especially as the primary playmaker.

What makes you assume he is the one attempting to be the number one option as opposed Rick and management telling him to be the number one option?

Patience is the big key with this Rockets team. Patience in allowing this team to grow and mature. Patience in acquiring a superstar. Patience in allowing Yao to come back.

This season is more about setting our team up for the next couple years as opposed to the "all-in" attempts the last few years. It's ok if we finish the 6th seed or the 9th. The overall picture is what our management is focusing on. The overall picture, imo, doesn't include tracy.

Your focus seems to be on winning this season. In my book, this season is already a success, especially if the consistency continues.

raj87

12-11-2009, 08:46 AM

What makes you assume he is the one attempting to be the number one option as opposed Rick and management telling him to be the number one option?

Patience is the big key with this Rockets team. Patience in allowing this team to grow and mature. Patience in acquiring a superstar. Patience in allowing Yao to come back.

This season is more about setting our team up for the next couple years as opposed to the "all-in" attempts the last few years. It's ok if we finish the 6th seed or the 9th. The overall picture is what our management is focusing on. The overall picture, imo, doesn't include tracy.

Your focus seems to be on winning this season. In my book, this season is already a success, especially if the consistency continues.

Every one of these years, we are told to be patient and to wait. The fact of the moment is that every year, professional NBA teams must strive to be champions of the world. I believe in this club, and would not be alarmed if the Rockets were to venture deep in to the play-offs.

Look at this team last season, and recall the play of Ron Artest. Please imagene a vigorous Tracy McGrady replacing Ron (who was attempting to shoulder a large scoring load), along with Trevor Ariza, and imagine a fun filled ring coronation ceremony following that. :cool:

raj87

12-11-2009, 08:50 AM

Out of context??

FG% percentage under the rim is the statistic. You said Aaron is a terrible finisher under the basket. I showed you several taller players(and generally regarded as better playmakers) who are on par with Brooks(some under, some over) at scoring percentage under the rim. I have also showed where his percentage under there has improved from last season.

The fact that most of those other players have over twice as many starts as Brooks adds light to the discussion that he is improving and not quite a "what you see is what you get."

I am aware of Aaron Brook's achievements. I have wintnessed every game for the all of Aaron Brook's career, hence I am not interested in what he has made and missed by the numbers. I am more concerned as to why he has failed in situations (lack of size, limited ability to finish scores in traffic due to slight physical build). Producing numbers of players like Brandon Roy and Russell Westbrook only reveal part of the answer.

raj87

12-11-2009, 08:51 AM

I respect yours as well, and please notice I am not saying Brooks is a better player.....just that he will be here NEXT year whereas Tmac more than likely will not.

So, I would rather the guy that will be here be the guy getting the touches and getting better.

DD

DD, neither you nor I know of the Houston Rocket's post season plans regarding Tracy McGrady, so it is unwise to begin with that assomption.

durvasa

12-11-2009, 09:19 AM

Pocket Rockets

12-11-2009, 09:45 AM

Pocket Rockets

12-11-2009, 09:51 AM

Every one of these years, we are told to be patient and to wait. The fact of the moment is that every year, professional NBA teams must strive to be champions of the world. I believe in this club, and would not be alarmed if the Rockets were to venture deep in to the play-offs.

Look at this team last season, and recall the play of Ron Artest. Please imagene a vigorous Tracy McGrady replacing Ron (who was attempting to shoulder a large scoring load), along with Trevor Ariza, and imagine a fun filled ring coronation ceremony following that. :cool:

I think you have been misguided if you believe 2007 and 2008 you were led to believe this team wasn't set up and expected to compete for the championship. Just take a look at the slogans for those seasons.

You are missing one big piece in your imagination, Yao Ming. Every championship team has a big man, whether great or good.

DaDakota

12-11-2009, 10:23 AM

DD, neither you nor I know of the Houston Rocket's post season plans regarding Tracy McGrady, so it is unwise to begin with that assomption.

I think you assome too much....I read the bones.....

;)

DD

raj87

12-11-2009, 10:33 AM

I think you have been misguided if you believe 2007 and 2008 you were led to believe this team wasn't set up and expected to compete for the championship. Just take a look at the slogans for those seasons.

You are missing one big piece in your imagination, Yao Ming. Every championship team has a big man, whether great or good.

Slogans mean absloutely nothing. I don't care how snappy the slogans are, teh reality at the moment was that no reasonable man could ever imagine Rafer Alston as the starting point guard for a championship season, hence many said to wait until Vassilis Spanolis or Aaron Brooks was developed. I even recall Steve Francis or Mike James as prayers for 2007. Additionally, Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming were injured many times during those periods. The bottom draw was thatI believed in the Houston Rockets ability to win the ring every time!

raj87

12-11-2009, 10:34 AM

I think you assome too much....I read the bones.....

;)

DD

Your post is a mystery to me, most likely nonsense.

Perhaps you may be a substance abuser?

DaDakota

12-11-2009, 10:35 AM

Your post is a mystery to me, most likely nonsense.

Perhaps you may be a substance abuser?

Perhaps you should learn to spell "assumption".

;)

So much for the "avoiding insults" bit of your act......

DD

raj87

12-11-2009, 10:43 AM

Perhaps you should learn to spell "assumption".

;)

So much for the "avoiding insults" bit of your act......

DD

I understand now that you were mocking my spelling. Thanks to you for your clarification. Still, I fail to understand what you were meaning by reading bones?

In addition, in no way was I posting insults in my query regarding substance abuse. Substance abuse is not to be taken lightly. It is a legitamete health concern.

raj87

12-11-2009, 10:44 AM

I was wrong to leap to that conclusion and assume that you had a health condition. I apologoze for that one.

DaDakota

12-11-2009, 10:53 AM

I was wrong to leap to that conclusion and assume that you had a health condition. I apologoze for that one.

I was joking around rook.

The read the bones thing is ancient witchcraft, or shaman magic, where they toss old bones into a pile on the ground and attempt to divine something from them.

In the words of the legendary Sgt. Hulka "lighten up Leslie !"

DD

rockets_fanatic

12-11-2009, 10:55 AM

I disagree with you completely.

I think he is growing into just that very thing.

And his efficiency in only his 50 something start is already much better than the guy you are saying should replace him as the number 1 option.

Why take a guy that is a sub 42% shooter and make him option 1?

One of the reasons I do not want Tmac back is that he would take the ball away from Brooks, and I think that is a mistake.

DD

That is not a mistake. Sure he will have the ball less, but have you ever heard of a move called a cut? Or an off ball screen? Tracy is a great passer and as long as Brooks does what the offense calls for, movement without the ball he can still get open looks.

DaDakota

12-11-2009, 10:56 AM

That is not a mistake. Sure he will have the ball less, but have you ever heard of a move called a cut? Or an off ball screen? Tracy is a great passer and as long as Brooks does what the offense calls for, movement without the ball he can still get open looks.

That is great, now reverse it, and ask yourself that same question, because Brooks is doing that already.

In fact everyone on the Rockets that is currently playing is doing that.....feel free to extrapolate from that.....

DD

MrButtocks

12-11-2009, 11:04 AM

There's one big difference between Brooks as a playmaker and McGrady as a playmaker. Turnovers.

Because of his short stature, when Brooks drives into the paint his view is more obstructed. He also relies more on passing in the air to get better angles, and that has gotten him into trouble. McGrady has always been amongst the best players in the league at creating offense without turning the ball over. Brooks is among the worst.
Brooks' height really isn't an issue except on defense. With his speed he should be able to get any shot off he wants. Tony Parker used to lead the league in points in the paint. CP3 is only an inch taller and is one of the best playmakers in the league. Mighty mouse was only 5'10". Brooks' turnovers mainly come from picking up his dribble when trapped and simply bad passes. He can easily improve on both.

rockets_fanatic

12-11-2009, 11:07 AM

That is great, now reverse it, and ask yourself that same question, because Brooks is doing that already.

In fact everyone on the Rockets that is currently playing is doing that.....feel free to extrapolate from that.....

DD

Since that is already happening, care to explain your comment about it being a bad thing the ball be taken out of Brooks hands?

Since we have just established that Brooks can still be just as effective without the ball in his hands, that reasoning against getting Tracy back is I guess...NULL AND ****ING VOID!

DaDakota

12-11-2009, 11:08 AM

TMac averages 2.59 turnovers per game (http://www.clutchfans.net/players/tracy_mcgrady/?career)

Which is less than Brooks, who is at 3.33 turnovers this year (http://www.clutchfans.net/players/aaron_brooks/?career), however, Tmac has averaged 3 turnovers one year, and Brooks is still learning so it is statistically not that different.

I really think people are missing the boat on a budding all star in Aaron Brooks.

DD

DaDakota

12-11-2009, 11:09 AM

Since that is already happening, care to explain your comment about it being a bad thing the ball be taken out of Brooks hands?

Since we have just established that Brooks can still be just as effective without the ball in his hands, that reasoning against getting Tracy back is I guess...NULL AND ****ING VOID!

No, it is that Brooks will not have the same number of shots, or opportunities to grow, and he will be here next year.

And it is almost certain that Tmac will not, so it is more prudent for the organization to go with whom they know is improving over those they know are declining and are no longer part of the team's future.

And no amount of ALL CAPS or CURSING will change that fact.

DD

rockets_fanatic

12-11-2009, 11:24 AM

No, it is that Brooks will not have the same number of shots, or opportunities to grow, and he will be here next year.

And it is almost certain that Tmac will not, so it is more prudent for the organization to go with whom they know is improving over those they know are declining and are no longer part of the team's future.

And no amount of ALL CAPS or CURSING will change that fact.

DD

That is right. You are on the youth kick. Trade Battier and Scola for picks then. Since they are taking opportunities to grow from Landry, Anderson, Budinger and Taylor. Get a unit of 20-25 year old and let them grow together. Get rid of Yao while we are at. Nearing 30 and injury prone.

Untill he is traded or Morey comes out and says Tracy is gone at the end of the season, I won't deal in the HYPOTHETICAL situation of Tracy not being here next season.

Forget about what the reporters say. I've addressed the drama off the court before.

Your point was Tracy is bad because he takes the ball out of Brooks hands. Well we established it won't be an issue, since Brooks has other ways he can be effective. There are other area's he cna grow as a player. With or without the ball in his hands.

raj87

12-11-2009, 11:36 AM

jump shooter

12-11-2009, 11:44 AM

DaDakota

12-11-2009, 11:50 AM

I love Brooks just like you DD, but in my opinion he far away from being a budding all star.

17pts and nearly 6 assists per game while shooting 45% overall and 39% from 3pt range?

I think he honestly should be averaging more than 20ppg, all he lacks is a little more "Me first" attitude, and he would be perfect.

Brooks is almost too selfless out there, he is our best scoring threat our best setup guy and this year arguably, our best player.....

DD

raj87

12-11-2009, 11:53 AM

17pts and nearly 6 assists per game while shooting 45% overall and 39% from 3pt range?

I think he honestly should be averaging more than 20ppg, all he lacks is a little more "Me first" attitude, and he would be perfect.

Brooks is almost too selfless out there, he is our best scoring threat our best setup guy and this year arguably, our best player.....

DD

Please review my retort:

Best scoring threat is Carl Landry
Best setup guy is Kyle Lowry
Best player is Luis Scola

worzel gummidge

12-11-2009, 11:53 AM

rockets_fanatic

12-11-2009, 11:55 AM

17pts and nearly 6 assists per game while shooting 45% overall and 39% from 3pt range?

I think he honestly should be averaging more than 20ppg, all he lacks is a little more "Me first" attitude, and he would be perfect.

Brooks is almost too selfless out there, he is our best scoring threat our best setup guy and this year arguably, our best player.....

DD

Now, Brooks needs to be Brooks.

What he needs to do is simply run the offense. Whether is directly responsible for the bucket, or he just calls the right play.

Forget about the basic statistics. There is more to Basketball than how many points and assists per game someone gets.

DaDakota

12-11-2009, 11:55 AM

Pre-back injury TJ Ford with a 3pt shooting.

Interesting, but I think TJ was a better passer, and set up guy and AB a better shooter, all over the floor.....

I like em both, but because AB can score the ball, I think his career will be more noteworthy.

DD

Rocketsmith

12-11-2009, 12:26 PM

No, it is that Brooks will not have the same number of shots, or opportunities to grow, and he will be here next year.

And it is almost certain that Tmac will not, so it is more prudent for the organization to go with whom they know is improving over those they know are declining and are no longer part of the team's future.

DD

Maybe Brooks will have less shots, but this should make the Rockets a better team. The Rockets will have more options to throw at the opposing defenses. A lot of times Brooks has had the advantage of being quicker than his defenders, but there has been some teams that did a good job of stopping his penetration. Brooks may also benefit from more quality shots, should get a few more open looks. As far as taking minutes from a younger player, that's on each player themselves. Budinger didn't get a lot of minutes vs Cleveland because he wasn't hitting his shots. Adelman will go with what's working, so a younger player will have to earn his time. We have a good team, so let's try to win now. I could see if we were a bad team, then I would definitely go with the younger players. We can't assume T-Mac's future, but his success can benefit the Rockets now and in the future.

CheezeyBoy22

12-11-2009, 12:26 PM

Interesting, but I think TJ was a better passer, and set up guy and AB a better shooter, all over the floor.....

I like em both, but because AB can score the ball, I think his career will be more noteworthy.

DD

TJ was a better passer but AB is a better shooter than TJ.

The other thing folks never put into consideration is AB gets fouled soo much but yet doesn't get nearly as many calls as TP, CP3, D. Will, and others. When the refs allow other players to be rough on AB, he tends to fade. If he would get the same calls as TP, CP3, and others, you would see how great he is.

Does he have flaws? Sure... Not all players are perfect.

I rather have the ball in AB's hands than T-Mac. I'm not Miss Cleo but I would say T-Mac will not be playing here next year. Unless he has a change of heart and style of play, it's not gonna happen.

Sure T-Mac probably is a better play maker. But there's more to the game than playing making. The team wants the ball to flow. With Tracy.... That's not gonna happen.

BTW... Please stop with the "22 game winning streak".... Yeah Tracy was part of that but we had a different team back then. I hate when people try to bring that argument up when we were a half court team. During that streak, we played some of the best defense you could of seen with Deke. We do not have a center on this team like that.

HowsMyDriving

12-11-2009, 12:26 PM

That is right. You are on the youth kick. Trade Battier and Scola for picks then. Since they are taking opportunities to grow from Landry, Anderson, Budinger and Taylor. Get a unit of 20-25 year old and let them grow together. Get rid of Yao while we are at. Nearing 30 and injury prone.

Untill he is traded or Morey comes out and says Tracy is gone at the end of the season, I won't deal in the HYPOTHETICAL situation of Tracy not being here next season.

Forget about what the reporters say. I've addressed the drama off the court before.

Your point was Tracy is bad because he takes the ball out of Brooks hands. Well we established it won't be an issue, since Brooks has other ways he can be effective. There are other area's he cna grow as a player. With or without the ball in his hands.

there is a gigantic difference between low-to-mid usage veterans like shane, chuck, luis, etc and high usage ball-dominating players like tracy.

going just off of usage rate, for example: tracy has averaged a usage rate of 32.9% in his time in Houston. If you sum the average usage rates of Luis, Chuck, and Shane, you get 42.5%. That's inclusive of the fact that they have used significantly more possessions in the last two years that Tracy has been hurt.

the point of this is that a veteran who has always been a high usage guy takes the ball out of the younger players' hands significantly more than veterans that don't. having low usage veterans that play defense helps your team stay cohesive and organized, both offensively and defensively, and helps balance out the mercurial and inconsistent nature of talented young players.

it's just not as simple as saying "go full youth movement then". unless you like losing, and don't want your young guys to learn anything from the vets you have. imo the mix is pretty ideal now. smart, intelligent vets who have high BBIQ to teach the young guys the ropes and steady the course in-game, while the young guys get to be higher-usage and learn from it.

rockets_fanatic

12-11-2009, 12:31 PM

there is a gigantic difference between low-to-mid usage veterans like shane, chuck, luis, etc and high usage ball-dominating players like tracy.

going just off of usage rate, for example: tracy has averaged a usage rate of 32.9% in his time in Houston. If you sum the average usage rates of Luis, Chuck, and Shane, you get 42.5%. That's inclusive of the fact that they have used significantly more possessions in the last two years that Tracy has been hurt.

the point of this is that a veteran who has always been a high usage guy takes the ball out of the younger players' hands significantly more than veterans that don't. having low usage veterans that play defense helps your team stay cohesive and organized, both offensively and defensively, and helps balance out the mercurial and inconsistent nature of talented young players.

it's just not as simple as saying "go full youth movement then". unless you like losing, and don't want your young guys to learn anything from the vets you have. imo the mix is pretty ideal now. smart, intelligent vets who have high BBIQ to teach the young guys the ropes and steady the course in-game, while the young guys get to be higher-usage and learn from it.

So in other words it is okay to carry older guys if they are not stars, but older stars are bad?

The fact is, Tracy on the team will not hurt Aaron Brooks in the short of long term. There is more to being a point guard than scoring and being the last person to make a pass on a basket.

Aaron needs to be able to do it with the ball, as the first option, but also learn to defect to other players.

Finally the use of the older guys who described is correct. I'm just making the point that if DD wants to go with youth and to develop youth, you may as well go the whole nine yards and not pick and choose.

Let's not act like Tracy is a bad player. He is a smart player...offensively.

jump shooter

12-11-2009, 12:34 PM

17pts and nearly 6 assists per game while shooting 45% overall and 39% from 3pt range?

I think he honestly should be averaging more than 20ppg, all he lacks is a little more "Me first" attitude, and he would be perfect.

Brooks is almost too selfless out there, he is our best scoring threat our best setup guy and this year arguably, our best player.....

DD

I think Brooks really needs to work on his consistency before anything else and I do agree with you that he could easily average 20pts a night. I'll still take Scola as the rockets best player, but thats why we rocket fans are in this forum debating back and forth. We are true fans.

HowsMyDriving

12-11-2009, 12:43 PM

So in other words it is okay to carry older guys if they are not stars, but older stars are bad?

not really. the point is that it depends what the older guys do. having older stars like deke, shane, chuck is a very good thing. that's why low usage but high effort/productivity guys who play d, rebound, block shots, etc are always in the league for awhile.

The fact is, Tracy on the team will not hurt Aaron Brooks in the short of long term. There is more to being a point guard than scoring and being the last person to make a pass on a basket.

i disagree. brooks has always been a scoring guard, and he is very much a rhythm player. i think he'd be the player most impacted by tracy's return. when he's involved in the game, he's a better player, and having the ball in his hands makes him feel involved. you're right that there might be more to being a pg than that, but are you trying to make AB into something he's not? or are you trying to develop and use his strengths and minimize his weaknesses? i think the latter is better, and that involves letting AB do what he does best, dribble, handle the ball, penetrate, shoot, and score.

Aaron needs to be able to do it with the ball, as the first option, but also learn to defect to other players.

ideally yes, and sometimes he's good at deferring and playing off the ball. i just don't think its something that's good for his development long-term, if you plan to have him play to his strengths in the future.

Finally the use of the older guys who described is correct. I'm just making the point that if DD wants to go with youth and to develop youth, you may as well go the whole nine yards and not pick and choose.

sure, i understandthat. my point was simply that its not about simply young versus veteran, the specifics of what each player does, as a part of the system, is critical. chemistry and clarity of roles is critical, and tracy, just because of how much of the game he impacts, affects those things dramatically just by his presence. in the past that was a great thing. on this team, i'm not sure you want to rebalance everything around him.

Let's not act like Tracy is a bad player. He is a smart player...offensively.

it's not about good or bad, its about fit. Even if adding Tracy generates a lot of positives, it wont help you if the ramifications of the addition involve a host of other players taking even a little step back, whether thats as a result of the new chemistry or changing roles, or whatever the case may be.

DaDakota

12-11-2009, 12:46 PM

Rocketsmith

12-11-2009, 12:57 PM

Can't really assume who will be a Rocket next year. Some players are free agents, two players are recovering from a major injury and there's always the possibility of a trade.

durvasa

12-11-2009, 12:57 PM

TMac averages 2.59 turnovers per game (http://www.clutchfans.net/players/tracy_mcgrady/?career)

Which is less than Brooks, who is at 3.33 turnovers this year (http://www.clutchfans.net/players/aaron_brooks/?career), however, Tmac has averaged 3 turnovers one year, and Brooks is still learning so it is statistically not that different.

DD

Those turnover numbers are misleading because McGrady's usage per possession is much higher, and he's played more minutes on average.

DaDakota

12-11-2009, 12:58 PM

Can't really assume who will be a Rocket next year. Some players are free agents, two players are recovering from a major injury and there's always the possibility of a trade.

Yes that is true but Tmac will not be back.

I am just going by what Feigen and Friedman have said, they do not expect him back either.

DD

jump shooter

12-11-2009, 12:59 PM

I never said I wanted to develop youth, what I said was I want the guys that are going to be here NEXT year when Yao gets back to develop THIS year.

Tmac is not one of those guys, no matter how badly his fan club wants to believe he is....it is just not gonna happen.

DD

Don't think he will be here next year either, but I think at some point they will play him this season to see what happens and I think the percentages are very very high that he's traded around the trade deadline when teams are more focused on positiioning for salary cap dollars.

DaDakota

12-11-2009, 12:59 PM

Those turnover numbers are misleading because McGrady's usage per possession is much higher, and he's played more minutes on average.

Yes true, but one must also consider that Brooks is only starting his 50ish game, and will get better at it.....

Don't think he will be here next year either, but I think at some point they will play him this season to see what happens and I think the percentages are very very high that he's traded around the trade deadline when teams are more focused on positiioning for salary cap dollars.

Exactly how I see it as well.

DD

rockets_fanatic

12-11-2009, 01:05 PM

I never said I wanted to develop youth, what I said was I want the guys that are going to be here NEXT year when Yao gets back to develop THIS year.

Tmac is not one of those guys, no matter how badly his fan club wants to believe he is....it is just not gonna happen.

DD

SO basically you are basing your opinion on what the bloggers are writing, not what Morey and Adelman are telling us?

I'm not one of the guys who is going to go out on a limb and say he will be here or won't be here. I'm not stupid like the rest of you.

Right now he is a Rocker. I don't care if he will be here next year or not. If he is on the roster now and is healthy play him. He is a Rocket until he aint a Rocket anymore. A healthy McGrady is GOOD FOR US!

Plain and simple.

Your view is based on the opinion of BLOGGERS!

Believe it or not, if Tracy is a better option than any trade offer or any Free Agent, he will be here, OR if being on the court hurts the team. We won't know that untill he is back on the court.

Nothing to lose and everything to gain by playing Tracy.

DaDakota

12-11-2009, 01:22 PM

SO basically you are basing your opinion on what the bloggers are writing, not what Morey and Adelman are telling us?

Incorrect, I am hearing them loud and clear, especially when they are asked why Tmac is not playing and they say words like "Chemistry" and can he play the "STYLE" we are playing.

They are honestly telling people they are concerned that he won't fit in, and will disrupt what is going on, yet people like yourself gloss over these important words as if they are meaningless when in fact, they are the ONLY words that matter regarding Tracy.

Read what Morey said in this VERY thread about it.......is he a blogger?

I'm not one of the guys who is going to go out on a limb and say he will be here or won't be here. I'm not stupid like the rest of you.

Please don't sell yourself so short, you are just as stupid as the rest of us....

Right now he is a Rocker. I don't care if he will be here next year or not. If he is on the roster now and is healthy play him. He is a Rocket until he aint a Rocket anymore. A healthy McGrady is GOOD FOR US!

Did you mean Rocket, or John Rocker?...lol......and let me fix it for you....

"A healthy, motivated, humbled, McGrady would be good for us"......but we are not there yet...so he sits.

Your view is based on the opinion of BLOGGERS!

Wrong again fanatic, you are again proving you are as stupid as the rest of us, or that your reading comprehension levels need work.

Nothing to lose and everything to gain by playing Tracy.

Even more wrongness, we have chemistry to lose, we have games to lose, we have development to lose.

Lots to lose, in my opinion there is NOTHING to gain by playing him......as he will be gone anway.

I guess we have a stupid standoff.

Doh !

DD

Rocketsmith

12-11-2009, 01:25 PM

Yes that is true but Tmac will not be back.

I am just going by what Feigen and Friedman have said, they do not expect him back either.

DD
Nobody in the Rockets organization has said that and things can always change. A healthy McGrady can make this club better, either on the team or through a trade. Yao was once thought to have a career ending injury, so we can not assume he will be the same player. IMO, Yao will have a harder time fitting in to our style of play then T-Mac and the Rockets will probably be forced to adapt back to a style that fits Yao.

Hakeemtheking

12-11-2009, 01:52 PM

DD, when will these McGrady fans wake up from their stupor and realize the organization does not want him?

The Feb. trading deadline couldn't come fast enough this year.

DaDakota

12-11-2009, 02:00 PM

Nobody in the Rockets organization has said that and things can always change. A healthy McGrady can make this club better, either on the team or through a trade. Yao was once thought to have a career ending injury, so we can not assume he will be the same player. IMO, Yao will have a harder time fitting in to our style of play then T-Mac and the Rockets will probably be forced to adapt back to a style that fits Yao.

Friedman is in the Rockets organization, just saying......

The Feb. trading deadline couldn't come fast enough this year.

Amen.

DD

HowsMyDriving

12-11-2009, 02:11 PM

Nothing to lose and everything to gain by playing Tracy.

I don't understand why this thought is so pervasive.

There is a lot to lose by playing Tracy, even if we largely ignore the impact he could have on wins & losses.

I see it being a situation defined by what other teams think of Tracy.

Very few teams (knicks, nets come to mind) can expect their fans to stomach trading for Tracy if he is not going to be able to play NBA basketball at a fair level, at least. If you bring him back and he looks like crap, then you've limited your trading market to just those teams who only want his contract, dont care about losing, and are willing to lose young high-level prospects in the process. that's not a small market of teams, so the return you'll get for Tracy would plummet as a result because there is no competitive bidding. That's a lot to lose by bringing him back if you are not sure he's going to look good, imo.

If you don't bring him back, but you can highlight that he's practicing well, show some video, let him go out for all the physical tests that you know he'll pass, highlight his attitude and work ethic, then its a much more positive sign that if another team played him, they could get something out of him. taking this route is all based on potential, but without game footage for the other teams to analyze, its more like drafting a player than trading for a player. it could work, it could work extremely well, or it could bust out. Because of that, your market expands to any team willing to take a risk that when he returns, he'll be at least a serviceable, highly skilled player, with some chance he'll return as a star, and some chance he'll return as a bust. That's a more competitive market than the other one.

So what about the case where you bring him back and he plays well? I'm glad you asked. Considering the direction of the current team and the roles people are playing now, even if you brought him back and he plays well, its likely to be a small marginal benefit over the players currently playing, who are already playing well. in order for tracy coming back to offer a dramatic improvement, he would have to come back at a star-level of play at least. The odds of that aren't very good, imo.

Don't hit on 17 unless you have to!

DaDakota

12-11-2009, 02:17 PM

I don't understand why this thought is so pervasive.

There is a lot to lose by playing Tracy, even if we largely ignore the impact he could have on wins & losses.

I see it being a situation defined by what other teams think of Tracy.

Very few teams (knicks, nets come to mind) can expect their fans to stomach trading for Tracy if he is not going to be able to play NBA basketball at a fair level, at least. If you bring him back and he looks like crap, then you've limited your trading market to just those teams who only want his contract, dont care about losing, and are willing to lose young high-level prospects in the process. that's not a small market of teams, so the return you'll get for Tracy would plummet as a result because there is no competitive bidding. That's a lot to lose by bringing him back if you are not sure he's going to look good, imo.

If you don't bring him back, but you can highlight that he's practicing well, show some video, let him go out for all the physical tests that you know he'll pass, highlight his attitude and work ethic, then its a much more positive sign that if another team played him, they could get something out of him. taking this route is all based on potential, but without game footage for the other teams to analyze, its more like drafting a player than trading for a player. it could work, it could work extremely well, or it could bust out. Because of that, your market expands to any team willing to take a risk that when he returns, he'll be at least a serviceable, highly skilled player, with some chance he'll return as a star, and some chance he'll return as a bust. That's a more competitive market than the other one.

So what about the case where you bring him back and he plays well? I'm glad you asked. Considering the direction of the current team and the roles people are playing now, even if you brought him back and he plays well, its likely to be a small marginal benefit over the players currently playing, who are already playing well. in order for tracy coming back to offer a dramatic improvement, he would have to come back at a star-level of play at least. The odds of that aren't very good, imo.

Don't hit on 17 unless you have to!

Great post, and NEVER hit on 17......dealer might bust out anyway.

DD

Hball

12-11-2009, 02:18 PM

DD, when will these McGrady fans wake up from their stupor and realize the organization does not want him?

The Feb. trading deadline couldn't come fast enough this year.
I waiting to see what trash we get back :grin:

Seriously who do you think will be worth taking back 20mill worth of bad contracts longer than 2010 :confused:

DaDakota

12-11-2009, 02:19 PM

I waiting to see what trash we get back :grin:

Seriously who do you think will be worth taking back 20mill worth of bad contracts longer than 2010 :confused:

That is the question, I would not mind one good player and one poison pillish deal where you break Tmac's onerous contract into 2 tradeable pieces rather than one big one...

In Morey I trust.

DD

jump shooter

12-11-2009, 02:29 PM

That is the question, I would not mind one good player and one poison pillish deal where you break Tmac's onerous contract into 2 tradeable pieces rather than one big one...

In Morey I trust.

DD

I think that scenario is the only way the rockets get back an above average player, would love to see some team throw in a servicable big that can protect the rim as well. I would hail Morey as the best GM in the league if he could pull something like that off.

Hball

12-11-2009, 02:35 PM

That is the question, I would not mind one good player and one poison pillish deal where you break Tmac's onerous contract into 2 tradeable pieces rather than one big one...

In Morey I trust.

DD
I really can't see Morey willing to take back a long bad contract, unless were talking about a superstar player, because Im sure he wants to retain guys like landry, lowry, scola who will soon be free-agents and will command more money.

Easy

12-11-2009, 02:47 PM

Yes true, but one must also consider that Brooks is only starting his 50ish game, and will get better at it.....
DD
Playmaking is one of the (if not THE) hardest skill in basketball to master. In fact, I am willing to say that it is for the most part, an innate talent. One can only improve marginally by practice and by experience.

Yes, it is still early in Brooks' career. But I am almost certain that he will never develop into a playmaker of McGrady's caliber. Brooks has a better chance in becoming as good a scorer as McGrady (which is not very likely) than becoming as good a playmaker.

From my observation so far, the only guys on our roster who have the potential to be a great playmaker are Lowry and Budinger.

Hball

12-11-2009, 03:04 PM

Playmaking is one of the (if not THE) hardest skill in basketball to master. In fact, I am willing to say that it is for the most part, an innate talent. One can only improve marginally by practice and by experience.

Yes, it is still early in Brooks' career. But I am almost certain that he will never develop into a playmaker of McGrady's caliber. Brooks has a better chance in becoming as good a scorer as McGrady (which is not very likely) than becoming as good a playmaker.

From my observation so far, the only guys on our roster who have the potential to be a great playmaker are Lowry and Budinger.
Brooks height alone makes certain he will never be the playmaker of mcgrady's caliber.

When you trap brooks he can't pass or see over the of players like mcgrady, because he's so small, but I think he will get better.

verse

12-11-2009, 03:05 PM

Playmaking is one of the (if not THE) hardest skill in basketball to master. In fact, I am willing to say that it is for the most part, an innate talent. One can only improve marginally by practice and by experience.

Yes, it is still early in Brooks' career. But I am almost certain that he will never develop into a playmaker of McGrady's caliber. Brooks has a better chance in becoming as good a scorer as McGrady (which is not very likely) than becoming as good a playmaker.

From my observation so far, the only guys on our roster who have the potential to be a great playmaker are Lowry and Budinger.

Agreed with all but the very last two words in your post. Chase is an instinctual scorer and shooter. He's not going to develop a playmaking mentality and quicker than JR Smith will. He may develop into a smarter scorer and player than Smith, but he won't suddenly (or even gradually) develop into Penny Hardaway, McGrady, et al.

Lowry is already a playmaker with above average court vision. His Achilles is his shaky shot, which enables smart defenders to sag into the passing lanes. I'd love to see him punish those defenders by developing a 12-15ft stop and pop.

Pocket Rockets

12-11-2009, 03:50 PM

Every one of these years, we are told to be patient and to wait.

Slogans mean absloutely nothing. I don't care how snappy the slogans are, teh reality at the moment was that no reasonable man could ever imagine Rafer Alston as the starting point guard for a championship season, hence many said to wait until Vassilis Spanolis or Aaron Brooks was developed. I even recall Steve Francis or Mike James as prayers for 2007. Additionally, Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming were injured many times during those periods. The bottom draw was thatI believed in the Houston Rockets ability to win the ring every time!

Can't go back on your statements.

So you're reality is that you couldn't imagine Rafer as the starting point guard for a championship team but you have no reality now?
Rafer was a starting point guard for the NBA Finals runner up last year btw.

Take off your homer glasses for a second. This team is not a championship caliber team with or without Mcgrady this season. There are more cons than pros for mcgrady to step foot on the court in a rockets uniform this season.

I applaud your faith in the Rockets as I want them to win every night as well. But I do look at the future of the organization and team and that is what our management focuses on. I believe in their judgments.

LCII

12-11-2009, 08:58 PM

I'm not going to argue about Brook's future potential, but those denying his physical 'smallness' are somewhat delusional. Just by watching the Rockets on TV you can see that Brooks has a very small frame. Chris Paul might be listed at 6' as well but just from using your eyes you can tell he's bigger and stronger than Brooks, same with Lowry.

BTW, Chris Paul and Tony Parker both have ~.600 FG at the rim the past two seasons while Brooks is shooting .498 and .540 FG. (NBA hotspots). Brooks is also not doing so hot from the midrange. (~.410) Chances are, if the opposing team has good interior defense, Brooks best bet is to take an outside shot instead of driving it in.

I would say Brooks is definitely the better option than Ariza if you're looking for a clutch shot beyond the arc, but around the rim, it'd serve us better if we went to Scola or Landry.