[Clutchfans]Adelman has no interest in playing Tmac

[The_Yoyo]

Clutch just <a href="http://twitter.com/clutchfans/status/5991854307">tweeted this</a>

lock if he posted elsewhere


Source tells ClutchFans that Adelman has no interest in playing T-Mac. Zero. Says: "This isn't going to end well"

[Convictedstupid]

Ruh roh.

[Depressio]

Adelman loves this team too much to taint it with a player he doesn't like at all.

I trust Adelman's judgment (and over 800 career wins with a .650 winning percentage).

[knote32]

TRACY MONIKERS UNITE!!!

:)

[Deckard]

WOW!!! :eek:

That's a hell of a lot more interesting than the post in Feedback, lol!

[ThaShark316_28]

http://fragilex.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/ruh-roh.jpg

[RocketMania1991]

I just hope T-Mac can come back and be productive for either this team or whichever he ends up with. Guy deserves to win.

[OGKashMoney]

Should I sell his autographed jerseys now? :confused: :grin:

[lost_elephant]

So who on the Knicks do we want?

[Sooner423]

...and boom goes the dynamite!

[adeelsiddiqui]

yikes, is this a good thing?

maybe, maybe no

[Hayesfan]

oh boy... I was just thinking how well things have been kept under the radar as far as the "underbelly" of the business of this Rockets team...

sounds as though the sh1tith is about to hitith the fan!

[professorjay]

Oh yeah, this thread won't go many pages. /sarcasm

[AstroMechPLZ]

uh oh......

[TXRoxBBall]

I'm really torn on this. I'd almost like to see him get out there and show his career is over and cost himself money on his next contract as opposed to someone taking a chance on him and giving him some money.

[halfling131]

i hope this source is wrong

[ebu]

I hate this idea of trading him....

the Rockets are lacking a closer at the end of games and T-mac has worked really hard to get back into shape so i think we should at least give him a chance to show he can gel with this team.

T-mac can be that closer at the end of games...i just wanna see how it goes...if it doesn't go well, fine trade him, but at least give him a chance.

and if they do end up trading him, how weird is it gonna be seeing him in another uniform playing against the rockets

[Deckard]

Wonder who the source was? Inquiring minds want to know, Clutch!

(might as well park it here and keep refreshing! :eek: )

[moose]

This cannot be good.

[ElPigto]

Ah shoot, I been naive if this is true. Oh well. GO ROCKETS!

[tinman]

Rick the Ruler!!!!

[jeffvangundy]

this comfirms a trade is coming

[Hayesfan]

Oh yeah, this thread won't go many pages. /sarcasm

LOL I give it 1 hour to top 100 posts.

edit: that was supposed to be 1 half hour

[Convictedstupid]

LOL I give it 1 hour to top 100 posts.


30 minutes im thinking.

[ElPigto]

LOL I give it 1 hour to top 100 posts.

Over/Under 600 post thread

[DaDakota]

You could see that whenever Elston, Adelman or Morey talked about the situation, there are subtle facial expressions that people make when they are not being completely honest.

Still.....don't like the drama, just end it already.

Sometimes you would rather just be completly wrong...ugh.

DD

[ThaShark316_28]

You could see that whenever Elston, Adelman or Morey talked about the situation, there are subtle facial expressions that people make when they are not being completely honest.

Still.....don't like the drama, just end it already.

DD

Tip of the iceberg man...this is gonna leak and turn REALLY ugly...buckle up yall...

[tinman]

This is why Clutch = #1


Clutch rules Clutchfans
and Rick the Ruler rules the Rockets

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/paul_forrester/08/01/coaches/p1.adelman.jpg

[J.R.]

Hmm Marbury treatment or trade? or both?

[MrButtocks]

i trust clutch more than anyone else. If he hears it's bad, it's bad.

[JeopardE]

Dammit, just when you thought the stupid soap opera would start to die down a little bit. I'm tired of this mess.

[ElPigto]

You could see that whenever Elston, Adelman or Morey talked about the situation, there are subtle facial expressions that people make when they are not being completely honest.

Still.....don't like the drama, just end it already.

DD

But HOW!?!? That's the question, how do you end something like this?

You cannot simply give him the Marbury treatment, that would be downright cruel and not classy of the organization. We also can't just trade him whatever trash we are being offered. I don't like the idea of taking the best deal available if it isn't a good deal at all. Also, buying him out, why should T-mac agree to substantial buy-out? Even so, I think a buy-out would be the best idea.

I hate all this drama surrounding our team and I just wanted to end sooner rather than later.

[moestavern19]

Good, Rick Adelman is going to take out the trash.

[EddieWasSnubbed]

Trade TMac and Brooks for Al Jefferson, Johnny Flynn, and Mark Blount


Huge lopsided trade, but Morey can get it done.



This is huge news for the Rockets. Makes me think that once Morey finds this news out, he'll be working the wires for TMac, if he's already not.

I think TMac has seen his last days in Houston.

[BMoney]

Ruh-roe is right! I guess the whole idea that TMac and Les are tight is over, too. Morey is going to have to really pull one out of his MIT ass to salvage something of value for McGrady.

[kokopuffs]

SPLASH!!

oh..wait.

[smileandnod]

I REALLY hope they have something big in the works if that is indeed the case. I mean if they are going to trade him, it kinda makes sense to not play him and let him get hurt and ruin his trade value. Right now teams might think that he is ready to come in and make an impact?

[TheGreat]

If they aren't going to play him, trade him, simple. It will be best for both. Mcgrady will be more motivated, and Rockets will feel they needed to.

I still say give him a chance

[Yak]

Has anyone ever thought that instead of playing Tmac solely for the purpose of having a 4th quarter closer, that we take this time to develop someone else on the roster to be able to take the reigns and hold a lead?

I know...looking up and down this roster it might seem difficult to pinpoint that player (or players), but maybe we should start considering that these 4th quarter struggles will soon be overcome by the collective experience of this young unit.

[DaDakota]

But HOW!?!? That's the question, how do you end something like this?

You cannot simply give him the Marbury treatment, that would be downright cruel and not classy of the organization. We also can't just trade him whatever trash we are being offered. I don't like the idea of taking the best deal available if it isn't a good deal at all. Also, buying him out, why should T-mac agree to substantial buy-out? Even so, I think a buy-out would be the best idea.

I hate all this drama surrounding our team and I just wanted to end sooner rather than later.

No way you buy him out, you hold onto his contract, make him wait it out, let him practice, and if someone gets injured or he gets a lot better you give him a shot.

In the mean time you try to trade him to a team looking to clear cap space.

But you don't just let him walk to another team, the Rockets are paying him, and he can be paid to sit.

DD

[ElPigto]

Good, Rick Adelman is going to take out the trash.

Any one with photoshop skills will you please do us the honor?

[StevieFlight3]

Man, I really wanted to see McGrady out there, he can't be worse than Ariza. But trading him now might be the best thing to do for the future, and for Yao Ming's return...

[dcfma]

But HOW!?!? That's the question, how do you end something like this?

You cannot simply give him the Marbury treatment, that would be downright cruel and not classy of the organization. We also can't just trade him whatever trash we are being offered. I don't like the idea of taking the best deal available if it isn't a good deal at all. Also, buying him out, why should T-mac agree to substantial buy-out? Even so, I think a buy-out would be the best idea.

I hate all this drama surrounding our team and I just wanted to end sooner rather than later.

I will lose respect for Morey/Adelman if they pull a Marbury. :(

[worzel gummidge]

Dr. McGrady wanted microfracture. Dr. Adelman wants to excise the cancer.

[hjg877]

Morey has been trying for months to acquire the services of this guy:

http://s12.bdbphotos.com/images/120x156/g/1/g1nlmte3deasgs.jpg

[tmacfor35]

Interesting because Trevor thinks Tracy will be the old Tracy after a few games under his belt. Just heard him talk about Tracy on SR610. Hope this report is not entirely true.

[Sweet Lou 4 2]

I think Adelman is going to really hurt his reputation here. He hinted at it in his last few quotes that he just didn't like T-mac.

I think it goes back to last year but man, it's weird to hold a grudge. It's one thing to say, I'll only play a guy if he conforms to my system.

But to just ice him? Without even giving that option? That's tough.

[Convictedstupid]

Trade TMac and Brooks for Al Jefferson, Johnny Flynn, and Mark Blount


Huge lopsided trade, but Morey can get it done.



This is huge news for the Rockets. Makes me think that once Morey finds this news out, he'll be working the wires for TMac, if he's already not.

I think TMac has seen his last days in Houston.



Preeeeettty sure Rick would leak this information to Daryl before another source would leak it to Clutch...

Unless Clutch is insanely in the inside of the Rox front office.

[rox4lyf]

Tmac wore out his welcome with Coach Adelman last season when he failed to tell the team first that he was going to have microfracture knee surgery, opting to blog it on his website.

[J.R.]

Ruh-roe is right! I guess the whole idea that TMac and Les are tight is over, too. Morey is going to have to really pull one out of his MIT ass to salvage something of value for McGrady.


Haha +1. I'd rep you if I could.

[ElPigto]

No way you buy him out, you hold onto his contract, make him wait it out, let him practice, and if someone gets injured or he gets a lot better you give him a shot.

In the mean time you try to trade him to a team looking to clear cap space.

But you don't just let him walk to another team, the Rockets are paying him, and he can be paid to sit.

DD

If Rick doesn't want to play him then he isn't going to play. T-mac could also file a grievance with the player's union. This has turned in a complicated issue now.

[TheGreat]

Rick Adelman doesnt want to play him. But does Les not want to play him? Les loves McGrady and will probably force Adelman to play him.

[freemaniam]

All of these dramas won't help marketing the player (TMac).

[EddieWasSnubbed]

You cannot simply give him the Marbury treatment, that would be downright cruel and not classy of the organization. We also can't just trade him whatever trash we are being offered. I don't like the idea of taking the best deal available if it isn't a good deal at all. Also, buying him out, why should T-mac agree to substantial buy-out? Even so, I think a buy-out would be the best idea.

You cannot simply buy out a contract that big. The thing has value. As many good free agents as there will be, 20 million coming off the books (and getting a half-season rental of a decent to good player to boot..) is worth something. If I'm Morey I trade TMac for young potential, a first round pick that has some value, and filler.

[Dei]

I don't a see a reason to not give him a chance. Just bench the guy if he's playing bad.

[Rockets34Legend]

Man, with all this this mess, will anyone want T-Mac?

[Air Langhi]

Rick rather have ariza jack up bad shots over tmac. At least we know tmac can hit some of those bad shots.

[Convictedstupid]

I really hope that they keep most of this under wraps... The more information leaked about how Tmac and the Rox arent on good terms will drive his stock down even further and its already pretty low.

[DaDakota]

If Rick doesn't want to play him then he isn't going to play. T-mac could also file a grievance with the player's union. This has turned in a complicated issue now.

There is nothing the union can do if the Rockets are paying his contract, they don't have to play him one second.

At the end of the day, I think this is all repairable, but Tracy has to swallow a lot of his pride, and apologize to the team, his teamates, the organization and his coach.

If he can swallow a little humble pie, they might be able to reconcile.....if not, well.......he will be isoed.

DD

[Yak]

Preeeeettty sure Rick would leak this information to Daryl before another source would leak it to Clutch...

Unless Clutch is insanely in the inside of the Rox front office.

If Adelman truly feels this way, then you can bet your ass that he already told Morey. And you can also bet that Morey is working that phone 24/7 looking for a favorable deal for both the Rocket's and McGrady's sake.

[BMoney]

I think Adelman is going to really hurt his reputation here. He hinted at it in his last few quotes that he just didn't like T-mac.

I think it goes back to last year but man, it's weird to hold a grudge. It's one thing to say, I'll only play a guy if he conforms to my system.

But to just ice him? Without even giving that option? That's tough.

Freezing him out is counterproductive, in my opinion. I think that would be more disruptive to the team than gradually getting McGrady back in the lineup, showcasing him and trading him in two months. Instead, there will be a bunch of stories, denials and speculation while McGrady pouts. This is a young team and I bet there won't be a small number of them that kind of wonder about the organization if they turn petty here.

[tmacfor35]

Man, with all this this mess, will anyone want T-Mac?

Too much reward and still not enough baggage, he will def find a place to play.

[dcfma]

Rick rather have ariza jack up bad shots over tmac. At least we know tmac can hit some of those bad shots.

This has become ridiculous. Morey/Adelman need play him or trade him!

[djohn2o12]

There is nobody really good to trade for except Big Al right now, this is stupid....Swallow your pride and play him already

[worzel gummidge]

If Rick doesn't want to play him then he isn't going to play. T-mac could also file a grievance with the player's union. This has turned in a complicated issue now.
The Rockets are still paying him. If they had been witholding his pay the player's union would have more weight. It took Tinsley 16 months to get waived after he was put on the inactive list permanently by Bird.

[Hayesfan]

If Adelman truly feels this way, then you can bet your ass that he already told Morey. And you can also bet that Morey is working that phone 24/7 looking for a favorable deal for both the Rocket's and McGrady's sake.


Now we know what he was texting furiously about when they showed him on FSHouston last week! :)

[keez857]

Maybe the last straw was already broken some time back. Adelman may have already subconsciously made this decision a long time ago. I hope this isn't true. As a fan, I'd atleast like to see how T-Mac plays with our team atleast once before we do anything drastic.

[TheGreat]

McGrady was at fault last year, but the Rockets as a organization are at fault this year.

Can they quit hiding stuff from us and just say the timetable or they aren't going to play him?

[DaDakota]

Freezing him out is counterproductive, in my opinion. I think that would be more disruptive to the team than gradually getting McGrady back in the lineup, showcasing him and trading him in two months. Instead, there will be a bunch of stories, denials and speculation while McGrady pouts. This is a young team and I bet there won't be a small number of them that kind of wonder about the organization if they turn petty here.

It won't happen because the organiztion will simply explain to the team what is going on, and why it is happening, they will treat them like men.

And they know more than anyone else, especially here the depth of issues with TMac....

I doubt it has any effect on them at all.

DD

[csnerd84]

I think Adelman is going to really hurt his reputation here. He hinted at it in his last few quotes that he just didn't like T-mac.

I think it goes back to last year but man, it's weird to hold a grudge. It's one thing to say, I'll only play a guy if he conforms to my system.

But to just ice him? Without even giving that option? That's tough.

I personally will lose a little bit of respect for Adelman if this happens. I don't care what happened behind the scene, but if TMac is capable of playing then the coach should not hold any grudges. I like Adelman as a coach overall. I think he is doing is awesome job with our currently active players. I also think that Adelman is probably getting more out of the players than JVG would be able, but with that said I don't think JVG would do something like this to TMac considering how he always had high respect for the guy.

[ElPigto]

There is nothing the union can do if the Rockets are paying his contract, they don't have to play him one second.

At the end of the day, I think this is all repairable, but Tracy has to swallow a lot of his pride, and apologize to the team, his teamates, the organization and his coach.

If he can swallow a little humble pie, they might be able to reconcile.....if not, well.......he will be isoed.

DD

I don't know DD, I guess I'm not really sure what to say right now.

I do not like how the Rockets are handling this. Although an entirely different situation, I hated how they handled the JVG mess with his contract.

I'm starting to dislike the organization for these reasons, but of course I will always root for the Rockets. As long as I like the team that is out there, who cares about the higher powers.

[DaDakota]

I don't know DD, I guess I'm not really sure what to say right now.

I do not like how the Rockets are handling this. Although an entirely different situation, I hated how they handled the JVG mess with his contract.

I'm starting to dislike the organization for these reasons, but of course I will always root for the Rockets. As long as I like the team that is out there, who cares about the higher powers.

That is fair enough, as a business owner myself, I think the Rockets organization is doing exactly the right thing.

Sometimes it is better to roll with someone of 80% of the capabilities and jettison the talented malcontents.

Chemistry and teamwork are more important than individual skillsets, especially when an individual puts themselves above the team.

Oh well, gonna watch and see.

DD

[saleem]

Man, I really wanted to see McGrady out there, he can't be worse than Ariza. But trading him now might be the best thing to do for the future, and for Yao Ming's return...

Who is gonna give us anything of use in return for his expiring contract? Let's be realistic. It's in the interest of both Adelman and McGrady to work it out. If RA doesn't want him, send him home. Stop the charade now. There is no use of having him practice,if he doesn't want him around.

I think Les is on RA's side,and matters will come to a head soon in light of this report. Most of the stuff Clutch hears about is usually correct.

[Yak]

Now we know what he was texting furiously about when they showed him on FSHouston last week! :)

If only we had the super fancy zooming technology that all those forensics labs have on CSI, then we could see what he was texting.

TO: David Kahn
FROM: Daryl Morey

Hey Davy, how about we swap T-Mac for Jefferson + Flynn + Rubio + 2010 First. Oh, and I'll even throw in Cook.


Kahn still hasn't responded.

[Sweet Lou 4 2]

Freezing him out is counterproductive, in my opinion. I think that would be more disruptive to the team than gradually getting McGrady back in the lineup, showcasing him and trading him in two months. Instead, there will be a bunch of stories, denials and speculation while McGrady pouts. This is a young team and I bet there won't be a small number of them that kind of wonder about the organization if they turn petty here.

I agree, but I am not sure what Adelman wants from T-mac.

Is it that Adelman just wants him to go away? Or does he want T-mac to as Dada says, "apologize and make amends". Somehow I find that hard to believe.

More likely, Adelman just doesn't want to play T-mac because he's got these guys playing his offense finally and he sees T-mac as a threat to that. And DM doesn't feel like pissing off his coach either. Maybe Adelman said it's me or him.

We don't know. But based on Adelmans comments, I woudl think T-mac will not play in a Rockets uniform again.

[Dave_78]

If this is true (I trust the source) then you can be sure there was way more grief coming from McGrady than we know about. Rick Adelman is as classy and fair a coach as you will find in the NBA. He's also a winner. There is no way he is saying this unless:

A. He is supported by Les and Morey
B. He is fairly certain McGrady will not buy into the team concept

The organization, the coaches and everyone else has covered for McGrady for quite some time. They wouldn't throw him under the bus now unless he really, really deserved it.

[mgraye2969]

RA Needs to just play him until he either...

-builds up his trade value enough to get a good player
-shows that he can help this team win games
-shows how he doesnt fit the team

He needs to do something because all this BS going on right now is like a soap opera and needs to be done with. I think it may be time to get rid of TMAC... :(

[redao]

http://i48.tinypic.com/10nxd0l.jpg

[Dave_78]

If this is true (I trust the source) then you can be sure there was way more grief coming from McGrady than we know about. Rick Adelman is as classy and fair a coach as you will find in the NBA. He's also a winner. There is no way he is saying this unless:

A. He is supported by Les and Morey
B. He is fairly certain McGrady will not buy into the team concept

The organization, the coaches and everyone else has covered for McGrady for quite some time. They wouldn't throw him under the bus now unless he really, really deserved it.

I'd like to add that I am willing to bet that the vets on this team don't want him back either.

[Rox Addict]

Should I sell his autographed jerseys now? :confused: :grin:
Haha !!!! I havent put mine up in my new office ! Its been sitting there backwards facing the wall cause its in a frame. I'm just waiting to see what happens :grin:

[StevieFlight3]

Reading through all these threads is confusing.

Morey and Adelman needs to really clarify soon or its going to get messy.

If someone is in shape they need to play, if he's not set a timetable.

[ElPigto]

That is fair enough, as a business owner myself, I think the Rockets organization is doing exactly the right thing.

Sometimes it is better to roll with someone of 80% of the capabilities and jettison the talented malcontents.

Chemistry and teamwork are more important than individual skillsets, especially when an individual puts themselves above the team.

Oh well, gonna watch and see.

DD

I don't know much about the business world and I'm just naive about how a business is ran. I guess business as usual, huh?

[Yak]

And by the way, just because Adelman has no interest in playing Tmac doesn't mean that he won't. There will probably be too much pressure on him to hold Tracy out if Tracy is ready to go.

[Deckard]

If this is true (I trust the source) then you can be sure there was way more grief coming from McGrady than we know about. Rick Adelman is as classy and fair a coach as you will find in the NBA. He's also a winner. There is no way he is saying this unless:

A. He is supported by Les and Morey
B. He is fairly certain McGrady will not buy into the team concept

The organization, the coaches and everyone else has covered for McGrady for quite some time. They wouldn't throw him under the bus now unless he really, really deserved it.
Exactly. I think Coach A loves how the team is playing and just doesn't want the disruption and drama McGrady seems to can't help causing. I certainly trust Adelman and Morey to know what they're doing.

I'd still like to know how Clutch found out!

[LCII]

everyone who wasn't a diehard T-mac fan saw this coming.

Now, lets hope Morey gets something in return from T-mac via trade! Get r' done Morey!

[worzel gummidge]

I'd like to add that I am willing to bet that the vets on this team don't want him back either.
I think Hayes is one of McGrady's friends on the team. Battier is alleged to dislike McGrady by Doc Rocket IIRC.

[1individual]

I never though Adelman would behave as such. He had a good reputation for trusting his starters and all-stars. The eye for an eye mentality the Rockets organization have isn't good at all. If T-Mac upset everyone last year, you don't do the same thing. Then they're no different than T-Mac. If the organization is after $ from the insurance only, then they have no class at all.

[moose]

I don't see why we can't give the guy a chance to see what he can do on the court. For the sake of the team, can we pass all this damn drama? Seriously, just play him and let's see what we can do from there. The entire organization is becoming a soap opera. For once, I don't agree with RA and Morey.

[JeopardE]

Freezing him out is counterproductive, in my opinion. I think that would be more disruptive to the team than gradually getting McGrady back in the lineup, showcasing him and trading him in two months. Instead, there will be a bunch of stories, denials and speculation while McGrady pouts. This is a young team and I bet there won't be a small number of them that kind of wonder about the organization if they turn petty here.

Indeed. I certainly hope Adelman isn't that petty to just hold him out over a grudge, because this is the type of situation that could *really* come back to bite the Rockets in the posterior in several ways. If McGrady has to leave Houston, it's in everybody's best interest that he does so in an amicable manner.

[sammy]

This drama is so ghey.

Shane needs rest and Mcgrady can provide it assuming he's close to returning. I trust Adelman's judgment about him being not ready defensively, but I hope it's not anything personal.

I don't want to pick sides. I just want the Rockets to win as many games as possible this season. Also, it would be nice to build Mcgrady's trade value, right? Am I missing something?

[DaDakota]

I'd like to add that I am willing to bet that the vets on this team don't want him back either.

This will absolutely be the case.....

Richard Justice was probably right when he said that no one in the Rockets organization that is drawing a paycheck wants to see Tmac play, that says a lot.

DD

[KiwiRocket]

Yuck I dont like how this is being played out. McGrady was an arse last year to do what he did. The Rox Organisation is doing what they have to do but its not cool.
Tmac has carried this team for a long time now, he dosent deserved to be frozen out like this..
Oh well last years antics have bitten him in the ass!!

[LCII]

I never though Adelman would behave as such. He had a good reputation for trusting his starters and all-stars. The eye for an eye mentality the Rockets organization have isn't good at all. If T-Mac upset everyone last year, you don't do the same thing. Then they're no different than T-Mac. If the organization is after $ from the insurance only, then they have no class at all.

It's not about them, it's about the TEAM.

Adelman and management aren't doing this to spite Tracy, they're doing this to protect the team.

[Yak]

I never though Adelman would behave as such. He had a good reputation for trusting his starters and all-stars. The eye for an eye mentality the Rockets organization have isn't good at all. If T-Mac upset everyone last year, you don't do the same thing. Then they're no different than T-Mac. If the organization is after $ from the insurance only, then they have no class at all.

I see it as such:

Adelman is a player's coach. He loves his players, All-Stars or not. He respects and trusts each player.

BUT if you burn that bridge of trust(much like Tracy did last year), then you're on your own and you will get the cold shoulder from here on out from Adelman.

Perceive that as you will, but I think Adelman gave Tracy a fair chance and Tmac really hasn't done anything to regain coach's faith.

[Depressio]

I'm not exactly broken up by this news because I like the current team and how they play, but I still think McGrady's skills (when healthy) could add something. That being said, he could also destroy how the team plays. Adelman obviously feels the latter will happen.

Again, I trust Alexander/Morey/Adelman.

[StevieFlight3]

It's not about them, it's about the TEAM.

Adelman and management aren't doing this to spite Tracy, they're doing this to protect the team.

Or their pockets, who knows could be anything.

[DaDakota]

It's not about them, it's about the TEAM.

Adelman and management aren't doing this to spite Tracy, they're doing this to protect the team.

Rep earned....

It is all about the team over any individual, chemistry is king.

DD

[Jimes]

Um, this source better be 100% correct Clutch. Cause this is pretty HUGE news (even if not entirely unexpected). The Rockets almost have to divulge their thoughts since people will be banging down the (talk show) doors to figure out what they're planning on doing. If true, are you sure this info should be leaked anyway (for trade purposes)?

[The_Yoyo]

Exactly. I think Coach A loves how the team is playing and just doesn't want the disruption and drama McGrady seems to can't help causing. I certainly trust Adelman and Morey to know what they're doing.

I'd still like to know how Clutch found out!


this is Clutch we are talking about he is poker buddies with Les and Morey. Lose a few small hands and the leakey faucet becomes a gusher.

[cujo]

And by the way, just because Adelman has no interest in playing Tmac doesn't mean that he won't. There will probably be too much pressure on him to hold Tracy out if Tracy is ready to go.


Good point. Why doesn't Clutch's source just say Tracy gonna get traded. Rick have no interest right now to play Tmac because he does not want to mess chemistry. It may get ugly bcause Mcgrady wanna play soon, and coach is thinking further down the road to get him into the flow of the team chemistry.

[Air Langhi]

It's not about them, it's about the TEAM.

Adelman and management aren't doing this to spite Tracy, they're doing this to protect the team.

This team is fools gold. Superstars win champions.

[TheGreat]

It's not about them, it's about the TEAM.

Adelman and management aren't doing this to spite Tracy, they're doing this to protect the team.
They aren't handling it well. If he isn't interested in playing him, WHY are they telling him to practice today? Why is he still being held while traveling with the team? More and more and more.

[djohn2o12]

If this is true, then they really did have a big argument

[iconoclastic]

I love how people were like, "Now everyone's gonna read too much into Rick Adelman not being at Tracy's first practice and blow it up into some big conspiracy" and now this lol

[The_Yoyo]

This team is fools gold. Superstars win champions.


sad but true

of course the pistons didnt have a "superstar" but their team was made of up several all-star talents i mean the only starter who wasnt an all-star on that team was Tayshaun Prince. heck they were bringing Okur off the bench

[1individual]

It's not about them, it's about the TEAM.

Adelman and management aren't doing this to spite Tracy, they're doing this to protect the team.
Tracy is a member of the team. What harm is it to give your most paid player a chance to play? He didn't even attend the practice session to see how well he plays. That means he doesn't want to see him ever again. In that case, it's better Tracy moves somewhere else. I say NY, my home state.

[Dave_78]

It's not about them, it's about the TEAM.

Adelman and management aren't doing this to spite Tracy, they're doing this to protect the team.

Exactly. These guys are professionals who have covered for McGrady for as long as they have been in Houston. They didn't suddenly wake up one day and decide to screw McGrady at all costs. Instead, they realized that continuing to cater to him and cover for him would be detrimental to the team/organization as a whole.

[Deckard]

this is Clutch we are talking about he is poker buddies with Les and Morey. Lose a few small hands and the leakey faucet becomes a gusher.
LOL! I'd think it could be referring to playing Tracy the next game, or this week, or this month, except for the "this isn't going to end well." That clinches it. McGrady is gone, IMO.

[Asian Sensation]

This team is fools gold. Superstars win champions.

Superstars make it past the 1st round. :o

[spankyou]

Addelman doesn't have an extension yet, does this mean he knows he's going to get one from Morey without playing T-Mac?

[The_Yoyo]

I love how people were like, "Now everyone's gonna read too much into Rick Adelman not being at Tracy's first practice and blow it up into some big conspiracy" and now this lol


fwiw i doubt Rick purposefully missed practice for that reason alone. He probably had a serious issue. If he really didnt want to have tracy practice he would have told him so and sat him out.

and from reports tmac has been practicing lightly so its not like this would have been the first time coach had seen him play

[Dave_78]

Once it all comes out who wants to bet that the McGrady uniform stunt in Minnesota was the straw that broke the camel's back?

[saleem]

It's not about them, it's about the TEAM.

Adelman and management aren't doing this to spite Tracy, they're doing this to protect the team.
Then send him home,stop this falsehood. Why do you bring him to practice?
Tracy is at fault for sure,but management is handling it incorrectly if they want him gone.

[dcfma]

LOL! I'd think it could be referring to playing Tracy the next game, or this week, or this month, except for the "this isn't going to end well." That clinches it. McGrady is gone, IMO.

I hope the source is wrong. This is going to become a huge soap opera if he is correct.

[Hayesfan]

6:53 to 7:22 my time for the thread to reach 100 :)

Just thought I would share.

[rawool]

This team is fools gold. Superstars win champions.
http://images.usatoday.com/sports/nba/_photos/2004-06-15-pistons-inside.jpg

[LCII]

This team is fools gold. Superstars win champions.

T-mac isn't a superstar anymore. This roster + co-operative T-mac would have a very SLIM chance of winning the championship anyways. IMO, Morey has a long term plan for the Houston Rockets that will turn them into a championship contending team in 3-5 years. T-mac is not part of that plan. Yao might be. Who knows??

[bullardfan]

I personally will lose a little bit of respect for Adelman if this happens. I don't care what happened behind the scene, but if TMac is capable of playing then the coach should not hold any grudges. I like Adelman as a coach overall. I think he is doing is awesome job with our currently active players. I also think that Adelman is probably getting more out of the players than JVG would be able, but with that said I don't think JVG would do something like this to TMac considering how he always had high respect for the guy.

if tmac quit on JVG like he did on RA then Im pretty sure that his respect level would drop drastically. the sooner he's gone the better. if it was kobe, lebron, cp3, wade, melo on our team and i had to choose between any of them or RA then it would be tough but an aged, quitting, injury prone, whining tmac? i choose RA and the organization.
altho, they screwed many a player in the past. and its hard to swallow the Olajuwon to Toronto trade,breaking up the back to back championship team, killing Sam Mack's career by trading him to Vancouver where he was tearing it up and then bringing him back to houston to sit on the bench. the organization is f-d up sometimes but i agree with them on tmac. the guy is a cancer.

[Air Langhi]

Superstars make it past the 1st round. :o

Well I never said anything specific about tmac. All I said was the rockets with no star players won't get there.

[TheGreat]

He is pretty much gone, but they haven't handled it well with him.

I think they are trying to PAY him back from last year, which is really stupid imo.

I still think he has a chance to play it out with Les making Adelman playing him but I doubt it. But if we trade him for a bunch of nobodies, I'm going to be shocked.

[The_Yoyo]

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/nba/_photos/2004-06-15-pistons-inside.jpg


see my post above

[Depressio]

Then send him home,stop this falsehood. Why do you bring him to practice?
Tracy is at fault for sure,but management is handling it incorrectly if they want him gone.
And destroy his trade value in the process?

That would be just stupid.

[DaDakota]

Then send him home,stop this falsehood. Why do you bring him to practice?
Tracy is at fault for sure,but management is handling it incorrectly if they want him gone.

I don't get this?

Why is management handling it incorrectly, it seems to me that he is like 4th or 5th on the depth chart and he has not worked his way back yet.

The guy has been out of basketball a year, he can't just step back on the court and be his old self.

I think the Rockets are doing what they think is best, as they should, they are paying the man...they owe him nothing more than that.

DD

[tmactoyao]

I was looking forward to watching Tracy play again, but oh well...Whatever happens, happens. So is a big trade in the works coming up?

[saleem]

Superstars make it past the 1st round. :o
They do,but our role players have limitations. Unfortunately,no one is willing to give us anything good in return for him. Gotta try and work it out in order to increase his trade value,there is no other way.

[KiwiRocket]

I don't get this?

Why is management handling it incorrectly, it seems to me that he is like 4th or 5th on the depth chart and he has not worked his way back yet.

The guy has been out of basketball a year, he can't just step back on the court and be his old self.

I think the Rockets are doing what they think is best, as they should, they are paying the man...they owe him nothing more than that.

DD

4th or 5th on the depth chart? Sure maybe cos he is coming off an injury, but if given a chance to show his health he is the number 1 option on this team. BUT he obviously isnt the future plans of this team so thats why he will not play.

I dont agree with them not owing him anything, sure they are paying him, but the GM and owner agreed to his absurd contract. He has carried this team with some pretty ordinary lineups, the least they can do is trade him if they wont play him.

[baller4life315]

I know i'm in the minority but I disagree with this course of action. We all know McGrady is a diva that thinks he should be able to call his own shots, but at the same time it sounds like he's been doing exactly what the Rockets want him to in regards to this "timeline" yet it appears that Adelman has no desire to play him no matter what. That's a "no win situation" if there ever was one. Alienating and sending mixed signals to McGrady's camp is only going to increase the diva factor. He's going to pout, both sides are going to point fingers, we're going to continue to be a .500 team......just play the damn guy already.

I've never been accused of being one of these epic YOF's or TOF's or whatever. Please don't start now. I'm just trying to view this objectively and I certainly think there HAS to be a better recourse than simply trying to shun or "Marbury" him.

[T FOR 3!!!]

I don't get this?

Why is management handling it incorrectly, it seems to me that he is like 4th or 5th on the depth chart and he has not worked his way back yet.

The guy has been out of basketball a year, he can't just step back on the court and be his old self.

I think the Rockets are doing what they think is best, as they should, they are paying the man...they owe him nothing more than that.

DD
gilbert arenas.... same trainer, out longer than tmac was... when a player of mcgradys caliber(when healthy, hes DOMINANT) is healthy on your rosterr. There is no reason to keep him sidelined unless this team is strait up planning on trading him. If Tmac is truly healthy and rick just doesnt want to play him, i will have alot of trouble supporting a coach who blatently pushes away what would easily be our #1 scoring option..

[bullardfan]

sad but true

of course the pistons didnt have a "superstar" but their team was made of up several all-star talents i mean the only starter who wasnt an all-star on that team was Tayshaun Prince. heck they were bringing Okur off the bench

I dont know. I would consider Rasheed Wallace a superstar. the guy could do it all. drop 3s, block shots, hit long jumpers, and post up. his attitude unfortunately prevented him from leading portland. but yeah they only had a team of all stars but no kobe like superstar. gotta love detroit. houston of the east.

[saleem]

I don't get this?

Why is management handling it incorrectly, it seems to me that he is like 4th or 5th on the depth chart and he has not worked his way back yet.

The guy has been out of basketball a year, he can't just step back on the court and be his old self.

I think the Rockets are doing what they think is best, as they should, they are paying the man...they owe him nothing more than that.

DD
That's not what I mean. It doesn't matter, if he is the 15th option. I'm sure he isn't ready either,but if they don't want him,stop pretending that there might be a future timetable for him to come back.
Don't tell him to come to practice,period. Bird didn't want Tinsley at all costs,and sent him home.

[pdewalt]

If they aren't going to play him, trade him, simple. It will be best for both. Mcgrady will be more motivated, and Rockets will feel they needed to. I still say give him a chance

I agree completely. I would really hate to see him traded. Get more talent and I don't mean Yao!!!! :confused:

[dockerland]

Will be interesting to see what happens in the next 48 hours now. With this out in the open no doubt things are going to get worse before they get better.

This can't be a decision just coming from Rick, no doubt the senior players on the team have had their say into the situation and you can only trust the people who are dealing with the drama everyday and what they believe is best.

Basically throws away any chance of getting something "over the odds" for him though....

[UTAllTheWay]

What a horrible situation.

I really wish it would all be over with.

[flashsky]

I LOVE his Decision.
Let Tracy Money go his home!

[rocketsregle]

I imagine we're going to see him on the court soon. Adelman may have no interest in putting him on the court but he will. And not because Les is in love with McGrady. That IS an urban legend as I ever saw one ... McGrady has been in trade talks for two seasons now. But because they need him to showcase himself for a trade.

[ryano2009]

yuyks,,, damn that's cold :grin: :grin: , even though i want t-mac to play to see what he has left on the tank, but hey it's the coach decision, and you can't argue with a hall of fame coach, i think he is right, he doesn't want a player to distract the chemistry with this team,,,so anybody knows where t-mac is heading ????

[ThaShark316_28]

He gone yall...let him go...

Trade or IL for the season...but he's out...when he comes back i'll stand and cheer em.

[DaDakota]

That's not what I mean. It doesn't matter, if he is the 15th option. I'm sure he isn't ready either,but if they don't want him,stop pretending that there might be a future timetable for him to come back.
Don't tell him to come to practice,period. Bird didn't want Tinsley at all costs,and sent him home.

Ah, yes, it may come to that.

Honestly, I really think this could be resolved if Tracy just swallowed his pride, apologized and got to work.

His skill and talent would eventually win out.

However, I think he won't be able to do that, and the organization doesn't want him anyway.

Hopefully a trade soon.....

DD

[ThaShark316_28]

(comes back as in gets introduced as a visitor with another team)

[worzel gummidge]

The guy has been out of basketball a year, he can't just step back on the court and be his old self.

Yep, microfracture takes 6-12 months to fully recover from.

Webber thinks coming back too early ruined his career. Amare came back too early and missed the rest of the season after 3 games.

[1individual]

I don't get this?

Why is management handling it incorrectly, it seems to me that he is like 4th or 5th on the depth chart and he has not worked his way back yet.

The guy has been out of basketball a year, he can't just step back on the court and be his old self.

I think the Rockets are doing what they think is best, as they should, they are paying the man...they owe him nothing more than that.

DD
Even an injured McGrady would shoot better than what Ariza is shooting now. Jacking up shots left right and center.

[TheGreat]

I imagine we're going to see him on the court soon. Adelman may have no interest in putting him on the court but he will. And not because Les is in love with McGrady. That IS an urban legend as I ever saw one ... McGrady has been in trade talks for two seasons now. But because they need him to showcase himself for a trade.
You maybe right. Maybe the GM tells them, I want to see him on the court and see how he plays?

[knote32]

With all of this stuff coming out, DM must be closing in on a trade. My guess is that no one really wants Tracy, and we would be lucky to get 2 expirings and a serviceable, younger player.

Oh basketball gods! Bring us Minny's number 1 pick!!!!!!!

[Zboy]

Finally, a coach with some balls.

Gundy knew Tmac was a spoiled brat and caved in to whatever Tmac wanted.

Adelman is no push over and is doing what should have been done long time ago. Avery similar approach to what Phil Jackson would have taken.

Considering McGrady isnt that popular in Houston anymore and most people have realized what a drama queen he is, Adelman is probably comfortable with his decision.

Of course it helps that McGrady is just an average player now.

[robbie380]

I don't get this?

Why is management handling it incorrectly, it seems to me that he is like 4th or 5th on the depth chart and he has not worked his way back yet.

The guy has been out of basketball a year, he can't just step back on the court and be his old self.

I think the Rockets are doing what they think is best, as they should, they are paying the man...they owe him nothing more than that.

DD

we finally agree!!!!!!!!! :grin:

[RedRowdy111]

At this point, its been a waiting game for Rockets fans for too long. The endurance of our fanbase has been tested too often. Francis, Mobley era, the let Yao develop era, the oft to injured Yao/Mcgrady era. WE WANT SOME CHANGE, AND WE WANT IT NOW. If Mcgrady isnt going to get on the court for WHATEVER the reason may be, trade his obsorbant tangy hov-around you call a contract, for something, to help boost us. Too many teams are free falling already this season, to not go ahead and strike a deal to give these inevitable losers some money to help their woes. The rockets have players that can take over the offensive end for a quarter maybe two. They need a Star. They need some talent. They need a players that can take over for weeks, if not months at a time. Tracy was that player. I dont know if he is capable of being that player again. For whatever reason, the Rockets dont want him back, fine. Just stop dragging your legs to deliver.

:cool:

[TracyMacAddidas]

Darnit!

[LAOS]

Clutch just tweeted this

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Adelman is really stupid for that Tracy is one of the best players bad move :mad:

[Shaud]

His trade value was already bad this just makes it worse.

[Asian Sensation]

His trade value was already bad this just makes it worse.

This is the part I dont get. Why damage his value more by making such a statement?

[DaDakota]

His trade value was already bad this just makes it worse.

Not at all.

His trade value has always been his expiring contract, and the organization knows this.

Even if he played well, it wouldn't matter in trade value, no one is going to gu their team to pick up a contract that large.

DD

[The_Yoyo]

LOL I give it 1 hour to top 100 posts.

edit: that was supposed to be 1 half hour


pretty much exactly on the money took about 30 mins for it to reach 100 posts.


i am going to take the under though on that 600 posts thing

[RockingRox]

Even an injured McGrady would shoot better than what Ariza is shooting now. Jacking up shots left right and center.

Playing basketball means more than just shooting. You shoot, you defense, you pass, you communicates......

[W22_STREAK]

Adelman is such an a$$hole....

We waited for Tmac for a whole year and all we get is this... :o

[RedRowdy111]

His trade value was already bad this just makes it worse.

I wouldnt say this makes it any worse. It is, what it is. I'm sure he is basically just a contract at this point (Mobley, Rahim). He might be slightly better, but essentially this is what a team would be getting him for. He will hand pick a destination this summer anyways, just not at the price he is expecting.

[baller4life315]

Even if he played well, it wouldn't matter in trade value, no one is going to gu their team to pick up a contract that large.

Yes, it would have. Right now, he's only going to be on the radar of rebuilding teams looking to dump salary. Basically only an option for lottery teams. If he was out there playing well it would at least catch the eye of .500+ teams with similar desires to dump salary while remaining competitive. Him being relegated to Marbury status does little good for us.

[Shaud]

This is the part I dont get. Why damage his value more by making such a statement?
Ugliest situation I have ever witnessed. At least with the Marbury situation you knew what was going to happen.

[Yak]

Adelman is such an a$$hole....

We waited for Tmac for a whole year and all we get is this... :o

No, YOU waited for Tmac for a whole year.

I think a good portion of us are willing to accept that he really doesn't have a significant role on this team and that his days are numbered in Houston.

[Shaud]

Not at all.

His trade value has always been his expiring contract, and the organization knows this.

Even if he played well, it wouldn't matter in trade value, no one is going to gu their team to pick up a contract that large.

DD
I believe we could get more for him if he came back and played real good. I know we could. Maybe not a lot of teams would come knocking at the door but it could not hurt his trade value for him to play good for us.

[1individual]

Playing basketball means more than just shooting. You shoot, you defense, you pass, you communicates......
This isn't a thread on T-Mac vs. Ariza, but McGrady can do all of the above but defend.

[Sooner423]

I believe we could get more for him if he came back and played real good. I know we could. Maybe not a lot of teams would come knocking at the door but it could not hurt his trade value for him to play good for us.
No doubt, none of this makes sense.

[DaDakota]

I believe we could get more for him if he came back and played real good. I know we could. Maybe not a lot of teams would come knocking at the door but it could not hurt his trade value for him to play good for us.

No we could not.

Because his contract is so onerous, so much money that a team would have to GUT their team to get him, and it would be a huge risk, a Carlos Boozerish risk in that Tmac could flat out walk at the end of the year regardless.

There is no team, None, nada, that would be willing to take on a guy with a $23 million dollar contract that expires at the end of the year UNLESS they are clearing cap space.

That is the ONLY scenario, no matter what.

DD

[Keyser Soze]

Will Clutch please chime in? :p

[worzel gummidge]

Even if he played well, it wouldn't matter in trade value, no one is going to gu their team to pick up a contract that large.

DD

I'm hoping Clutch is only tweeting this news because a deal has been struck.

Blount+Cardinal+Wilkins for McGrady saves the T-Wolves around $10M. That's the 80% of insurance and the difference in salaries deducted.

Add max cash considerations and it's $13M.

$13M for the rights to Rubio?

[Shaud]

I wouldnt say this makes it any worse. It is, what it is. I'm sure he is basically just a contract at this point (Mobley, Rahim). He might be slightly better, but essentially this is what a team would be getting him for. He will hand pick a destination this summer anyways, just not at the price he is expecting.
I think if the Rockets just wanted to get rid of his contract then they would have been made the trade with the Knicks which seems to be the only legit trade rumor involving T-mac. I mean it could not hurt his trade value for him to play good for us. This whole thing is just frustrating.

[joesr]

No, YOU waited for Tmac for a whole year.
:grin:

This made me giggle, twice.

[Rockets111]

How do we know for certain this source is legit? Just curious.

The source could be saying news that he heard third or fourth hand, meaning it could be embellished. I don't know, I'm just very suspicious when it comes to a "source."

For the record, T-Mac just needs to be gone. But good job, Rockets, lowering his trade value and turning everything into a big mess.

And people are thinking a little too much of this "great" start of 8-6. The Rockets are STILL not making the playoffs without a legit go-to scorer, and they are still very much a flawed team.

If nothing else, T-Mac coming back will only add, not subtract. They benefit either way by playing him.

[523744]

I'm hoping Clutch is only tweeting this news because a deal has been struck.

Blount+Cardinal+Wilkins for McGrady saves the T-Wolves around $10M. That's the 80% of insurance and the difference in salaries deducted.

Add max cash considerations and it's $13M.

$13M for the rights to Rubio?

Thank God you're not the GM of the Rockets. Trading an expiring value for scrubs and a 18 year old that might not ever pan out or who knows when he even comes to the NBA...

[W22_STREAK]

No, YOU waited for Tmac for a whole year.

I think a good portion of us are willing to accept that he really doesn't have a significant role on this team and that his days are numbered in Houston.

So it was that ME was the only one that eagerly waited and anticipated for T-Mac's return to da T-Mac that we all know to come back and dominate? Damn, if I was the only one to have those sentiments then Tracy must have egged everyone's house except mine..:S

I also think that the however big portion that was willing to accept the absence and now the exclusion of T-Mac are uneducated and uninspired fans...Because that "truth" they were so willing to accept is one that is in NO WAY of benefit to the team that we all know as the HOUSTON ROCKETS

[The_Yoyo]

How do we know for certain this source is legit? Just curious.

The source could be saying news that he heard third or fourth hand, meaning it could be embellished. I don't know, I'm just very suspicious when it comes to a "source."




its Clutch his sources are legit I highly highly doubt he would put something out there that wasnt even the least bit credible. I would trust Clutch over anything feigan, justice, adrian woj etc put out about the Rockets

[KiwiRocket]

How do we know for certain this source is legit? Just curious.

The source could be saying news that he heard third or fourth hand, meaning it could be embellished. I don't know, I'm just very suspicious when it comes to a "source."

For the record, T-Mac just needs to be gone. But good job, Rockets, lowering his trade value and turning everything into a big mess.

And people are thinking a little too much of this "great" start of 8-6. The Rockets are STILL not making the playoffs without a legit go-to scorer, and they are still very much a flawed team.

If nothing else, T-Mac coming back will only add, not subtract. They benefit either way by playing him.

Comon dude it dosent take a genius to see this was coming. Rockets holding him out, Tmac wanting to play. Rick coming out and stating he isnt ready when Tmac says he is.

Its crystal clear the Rockets dont want him. Its just all getting messy now and is all out in the open now and its going to get worse. :(

[TheGreat]

Ugliest situation I have ever witnessed. At least with the Marbury situation you knew what was going to happen.
And wouldn't you believe its more Rockets fault then McGradys?

[DaDakota]

its Clutch his sources are legit I highly highly doubt he would put something out there that wasnt even the least bit credible. I would trust Clutch over anything feigan, justice, adrian woj etc put out about the Rockets

No doubt about that...

DD

[MiddleMan]

Clutch just tweeted this

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I love it!!!! :grin: :grin:

[worzel gummidge]

Thank God you're not the GM of the Rockets. Trading an expiring value for scrubs and a 18 year old that might not ever pan out or who knows when he even comes to the NBA...
According to Ricjhard Justice the Rockets "tried to trade half the team" to get Rubio this draft.

[W22_STREAK]

Thank God you're not the GM of the Rockets. Trading an expiring value for scrubs and a 18 year old that might not ever pan out or who knows when he even comes to the NBA...

junk expiring contracts + ricky rubio for tracy mcgrady is actually a good deal for the rockets...ricky rubio is much better than u think...hes a future superstar

[Asian Sensation]

I believe we could get more for him if he came back and played real good. I know we could. Maybe not a lot of teams would come knocking at the door but it could not hurt his trade value for him to play good for us.

Exactly. I'd be less frustrated/mad if Tmac was clearly out of shape, didn't put in the extra hours, train with Grover, and was just happy to collect huge paychecks sitting at home. None of these are true. It bothers me that he's good to go from his own words and we're de-valuing him by saying he's not ready and not giving him a chance. I know his biggest asset is his $20+ mil expiring contract but I know he still has some game left in the tank.

[TheGreat]

its Clutch his sources are legit I highly highly doubt he would put something out there that wasnt even the least bit credible. I would trust Clutch over anything feigan, justice, adrian woj etc put out about the Rockets
But we still don't know if Les doesn't want to play him? I still think he is going to be gone but isn't there a good chance of Les making Adelman PLAY McGrady?

[baller4life315]

There is no team, None, nada, that would be willing to take on a guy with a $23 million dollar contract that expires at the end of the year UNLESS they are clearing cap space.

And the point is there will be teams looking to do that. What you're overlooking is how Marburying him eliminates the .500 and better crowd from the equation. No .500+ team that wants to clear cap space is going to deal for a player in Marbury territory that can't get on the court. With him out there playing well, on the other hand? That at least catches the attention of the teams looking to cut salary all the while not sacrificing their on-court product.

[davidxhz]

Damn it, you ruined my happy day. You know who is the real diva here?

THE FANS, so much negative here......

We are helping those stupid reporters who wrote stupid reports and those stupid people who leak out things like they really know what is going on

I don't care about all these things, I am here to discuss basketball, exchange opinions with people, help me enjoy my life more, but people here acts like they are just immature and throwing all the negatives around here......

I am shocked

[DCHAMP]

:rolleyes: this year is intersting

[MisterPink]

Adelman knows more about the situation than we do, including everything that went down last year.

Adelman is known as a player's coach; he obviously sees some flaw in McGrady's game or character or whatever, and if he feels this is the appropriate approach then I'm for it.

[RedRowdy111]

I think if the Rockets just wanted to get rid of his contract then they would have been made the trade with the Knicks which seems to be the only legit trade rumor involving T-mac. I mean it could not hurt his trade value for him to play good for us. This whole thing is just frustrating.

Hey trust me bud, Im with you. I'd just love to see Mcgrady on the floor. Half build up from not seeing him for a year, and the other half being because their was a time when I really believed in him. Problem is, the Rockets arent thinking like we are. They seem to want him gone or at least not around. This summer, similair things were said about Ron Artest and he ended up gone. Maybe they think playing Mcgrady on a contract year is doing him a favor. I just want the insanity around here to end.

[Stevierebel]

It's about the contract.... Not the player...

[shamz145]

This is a good move by Adelman. T-Mac is not that good anymore at Basketball.

[DaDakota]

And the point is there will be teams looking to do that. What you're overlooking is how Marburying him eliminates the .500 and better crowd from the equation. No .500+ team that wants to clear cap space is going to deal for a player in Marbury territory that can't get on the court. With him out there playing well, on the other hand? That at least catches the attention of the teams looking to cut salary all the while not sacrificing their on-court product.


There are no .500 and better teams that will be able to clear enough space without gutting their current team.

It is not that teams would not be willing to take a chance on him, it is they can not AFFORD to take that chance.

TMac's contract is the issue here, more than anything else.

DD

[declan32001]

Well, can someone explain to me how TMac can be traded and us not take back $23 mil. in contracts? I might entertain the idea for Bosh or CP3, but either deal would come with other some horrific contracts. Love Cook while you've got him. :grin:

But if this is true - RA not wanting anything to do do with TMac, then we do have to Marbury him.

For real, and I'm disappointed but not surprised.

[RedRowdy111]

Damn it, you ruined my happy day. You know who is the real diva here?

THE FANS, so much negative here......

We are helping those stupid reporters who wrote stupid reports and those stupid people who leak out things like they really know what is going on

I don't care about all these things, I am here to discuss basketball, exchange opinions with people, help me enjoy my life more, but people here acts like they are just immature and throwing all the negatives around here......

I am shocked


Put down the monitor.... Poor guy, I think it finally just hit him. Yep, its true man. I know this could be a big shock all at once and all, but take a deep breathe. You got a few months before anything happens Im sure, lol.

[ROXTXIA]

I think Adelman is going to really hurt his reputation here. He hinted at it in his last few quotes that he just didn't like T-mac.

I think it goes back to last year but man, it's weird to hold a grudge. It's one thing to say, I'll only play a guy if he conforms to my system.

But to just ice him? Without even giving that option? That's tough.

Grudge?

That's oversimplifying. Tmac is a drama queen, WAY too high maintenance, and screwed over the team last year. Why coddle him? Why ruin chemistry?

[Shaud]

Exactly. I'd be less frustrated/mad if Tmac was clearly out of shape, didn't put in the extra hours, train with Grover, and was just happy to collect huge paychecks sitting at home. None of these are true. It bothers me that he's good to go from his own words and we're de-valuing him by saying he's not ready and not giving him a chance. I know his biggest asset is his $20+ mil expiring contract but I know he still has some game left in the tank.
Exactly and why not add him to a team that has proven they can beat some good teams. If we can't trade him lets see if he can do some good for us.

Please people don't give me this he will get in the way of developing Trevor Ariza. I can see Chase Budinger but it is mind boggling when people say he can hinder the development of Trevor Ariza. Ariza has been in the NBA long enough to know what you're going to get from him.

[flashsky]

Not only Rick but also many Rox fans have no interst in talking about T-Money....

[Shaud]

Hey trust me bud, Im with you. I'd just love to see Mcgrady on the floor. Half build up from not seeing him for a year, and the other half being because their was a time when I really believed in him. Problem is, the Rockets arent thinking like we are. They seem to want him gone or at least not around. This summer, similair things were said about Ron Artest and he ended up gone. Maybe they think playing Mcgrady on a contract year is doing him a favor. I just want the insanity around here to end.
I agree. I will just be glad when all this ends. Either he plays for us or we trade him. I'm tired of the speculation.

[baller4life315]

There are no .500 and better teams that will be able to clear enough space without gutting their current team.

It is not that teams would not be willing to take a chance on him, it is they can not AFFORD to take that chance.

TMac's contract is the issue here, more than anything else.

DD

I know what you're saying and i'm not overlooking his ginormous contract. I'm not trying to pretend like we're talking about trading your average, run-of-the-mill $5-6M player here. But at the same time, there are plenty of borderline .500 teams and pretenders out there with the resources necessary to complete such a deal. Teams that would LIKE to cut salary while remaining competitive, in a perfect world. With a healthy, productive T-Mac....he's an option.

But we all saw what happened last year with Marbury. Pretty much the same situation, it looks like (sadly). Massive expiring contract with the only teams interested were lottery teams looking to play the Summer 2010 game.

If trading him is the desired option, I want him out there showing he's still a capable player. Building up his trade value. I want him catching the eyes of teams like Chicago, Indiana, New Orleans, Detroit, Philly, etc. Teams that are all okay but FARRRRR from being serious. Teams that may want to cut salary and shake things up all the while remaining competitive. What I DON'T want is the New York fricken Knicks being our only potential trade suitor. That's what you get by Marburying him.

[Shaud]

And wouldn't you believe its more Rockets fault then McGradys?
I don't know what is going on behind the scenes so I can't answer this question. So I will just say they all are at fault in some way.

[bratna8]

I wouldn't be surprised if he gets traded soon........Nov. 23 was a set date for something and it's starting to unfold.

[Sweet Lou 4 2]

Grudge?

That's oversimplifying. Tmac is a drama queen, WAY too high maintenance, and screwed over the team last year. Why coddle him? Why ruin chemistry?

We're talking about a coach who got along with Ron Artest.

Think about that. Adelman coddles his players - all of them. From Chris Webber to Ron Artest to whomever.

Now he is stopping the buck with T-mac?

Or is he pissed off (justly so) about last year still?

[tmacformvp07]

why is clutchfans posting this on his twitter instead of posting it on the forum with a legitimate article

oh and if true **** adelman. :mad:

[tmacfor35]

It's hard to not trust the Hall of Fame Coach who gets along with almost everyone.

[engr_alex]

man, ive lost respect for adelman. no player deserves this kind of treatment from any good organization.

how can you like a coach/organization that lies directly to your face?

tmac, ask for a trade already.

[wekko368]

But we all saw what happened last year with Marbury. Pretty much the same situation, it looks like (sadly). Massive expiring contract with the only teams interested were lottery teams looking to play the Summer 2010 game.

I thought Marbury's contract expired after the 08-09 season?

[Shaud]

The big question is has Adelman told McGrady this in the meetings they had?

Maybe McGrady knows this and just has decided to keep his mouth shut about it which is hard to believe by his history.

[baller4life315]

I thought Marbury's contract expired after the 08-09 season?

He was shunned last year before negotiating that rather ugly and lengthy buyout with NY. Then, of course, he signed with Boston mid-season.

[DanielYoung]

I love Tracy. I hope he can retire in Huston

[OvenproofBadger]

That is fair enough, as a business owner myself, I think the Rockets organization is doing exactly the right thing.

Sometimes it is better to roll with someone of 80% of the capabilities and jettison the talented malcontents.

Chemistry and teamwork are more important than individual skillsets, especially when an individual puts themselves above the team.

Oh well, gonna watch and see.

DD
There is no way the rockets as an organisation are going about this the best way. He is a part of the team and whilst mcgrady was at fault probably last year, the organisation has not exactly gone about things the best way this year.

[wekko368]

He was shunned last year before negotiating that rather ugly and lengthy buyout with NY. Then, of course, he signed with Boston mid-season.

Did Marbury's original contract expire at the end of the 08-09 season? If so, your point is irrelevant.

[pdewalt]

man, ive lost respect for adelman. no player deserves this kind of treatment from any good organization.

how can you like a coach/organization that lies directly to your face?

tmac, ask for a trade already.

I for one want to see him play. If not here, then somewhere!! All parties involved have tried to paint themselves as right.

A tiring Rockets' fan...

[DaDakota]

There is no way the rockets as an organisation are going about this the best way. He is a part of the team and whilst mcgrady was at fault probably last year, the organisation has not exactly gone about things the best way this year.

Yes they have, they realize this team is not going to win with our without Tracy, and they also know that Tracy is probably going to walk, why help him when it would just be for his next team?

They are looking out for their own best interests.

DD

[Commodore]

I've ignored every rumor thus far, but Clutch has unquestionable credibility.

Time to face the music.

I like T-Mac though and hope he can find a home somewhere without torching the us down the road. I have this feeling he is still an elite player.

Trading for the rights to Rubio is interesting. I just don't feel like we would be trading from a position of strength. You want to sell high, and McGrady is not high right now. Plus it sounds like the Wolves might already know we want Rubio badly. Never a good starting bargaining position.

[ChrisBosh]

man, ive lost respect for adelman. no player deserves this kind of treatment from any good organization.

how can you like a coach/organization that lies directly to your face?

tmac, ask for a trade already.



Wow some of you guys wear blinders, its amazing T-back has any fans left at all.

The guy is a known quitter, did it in Toronto to be THE MAN in Orlando, but then wanted another star on his team so he quit the Majic. Came to Houston, kept saying this is the best team he's played with, then couldn't win so he states that he would win with Shaq or Wade.

The man is a complete train wreck everywhere he has gone....Adelman is a brilliant coach, he's been good with stars before, somehow T-Mac even gets to this guy....



I have said from day one that we wouldn't win with this guy.......and I was right.

[jopatmc]

McGrady's contract is worth more than other expiring contracts because:

1. A lot of the dollars are covered by insurance.
2. It is twice as big as most expiring contracts. The only other expiring contract with value similar to McGrady's is Mobley's and Mobley's is only $9.5 million. With McGrady's contract, teams like New Orleans, Washington, etc., could "start over" by taking his contract and shipping out their stars or bad contracts and their #1 draft pick. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a monster deal on the table with New Orleans giving New Orleans McGrady, Cook, and other junk in exchange for CP3, PJ, and Okafor or a modified deal giving N.O McGrady and Cook for Peja, Okafor and New Orlean's 2010 first rounder. That we either get a superstar (CP3) or we get a high first round draft pick that we can then use to try to acquire another talent now, say sending Battier/Landry/Cook/Lowry and other junk along with N.O. first rounder for Chris Bosh.

There are plenty of moves that could be made with McGrady's contract. It is all up to Morey to pull the best deal. I believe he will.

[daywalker02]

Sorry, Clutch and Yoyo.
All I hear is this source and that source. I will believe it when I see Adelman conceding in front of the press crowd.

[worzel gummidge]

Trading for the rights to Rubio is interesting. I just don't feel like we would be trading from a position of strength. You want to sell high, and McGrady is not high right now. Plus it sounds like the Wolves might already know we want Rubio badly. Never a good starting bargaining position.
Even if they wanted to, no other team in the League, can offer $13 million cash to the T-Wolves for Rubio's rights. McGrady's insurance makes that happen.

[Asian Sensation]

McGrady's contract is worth more than other expiring contracts because:

1. A lot of the dollars are covered by insurance.
2. It is twice as big as most expiring contracts. The only other expiring contract with value similar to McGrady's is Mobley's and Mobley's is only $9.5 million. With McGrady's contract, teams like New Orleans, Washington, etc., could "start over" by taking his contract and shipping out their stars or bad contracts and their #1 draft pick. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a monster deal on the table with New Orleans giving New Orleans McGrady, Cook, and other junk in exchange for CP3, PJ, and Okafor or a modified deal giving N.O McGrady and Cook for Peja, Okafor and New Orlean's 2010 first rounder. That we either get a superstar (CP3) or we get a high first round draft pick that we can then use to try to acquire another talent now, say sending Battier/Landry/Cook/Lowry and other junk along with N.O. first rounder for Chris Bosh.

There are plenty of moves that could be made with McGrady's contract. It is all up to Morey to pull the best deal. I believe he will.

This is what I thought too.... Until Clutch broke the news that "Adelman has no interest in playing Tmac". Why break that news now? All it does his hurt his value.

[worzel gummidge]

Sorry, Clutch and Yoyo.
All I hear is this source and that source. I will believe it when I see Adelman conceding in front of the press crowd.
Adelman is spiteful, Morey is shady, Les's background is somehow a problem,.. and now Clutch isn't trustworthy? :eek:

[ArtV]

It's about the contract.... Not the player...

So they don't think he brings $200,000 in value to the court and would rather just keep collecting the checks? hmmm.

I fear that when Clutch says this could get ugly it means Starbury ugly. If he's traded it won't be that ugly. If he stays and doesn't play - now we're talking ugly.

[ibm]

Adelman knows more about the situation than we do, including everything that went down last year.

Adelman is known as a player's coach; he obviously sees some flaw in McGrady's game or character or whatever, and if he feels this is the appropriate approach then I'm for it.

my feeling exactly. first i thought it may be an old man showing his stubbornness. but for a coach like adelman, i want to believe he's got his reasons, and good ones.

at this point, i trust adelman more than mcgrady.

[Pimphand24]

i hope this source is wrong

I hope this source is not a Yahoo writer in disguise.

[napalm_black]

I'm going to go on record and admit that I was wrong, if this is true.

I hope that good comes out of this somehow. Rockets for life.

[KingCheetah]

This situation is going to be epic Clutchfans fun.

[Sweet Lou 4 2]

Sorry, Clutch and Yoyo.
All I hear is this source and that source. I will believe it when I see Adelman conceding in front of the press crowd.

7 years on this board and I've never seen Clutch be wrong with intel.

Add to that what it obvious in Adelman's own words...

and that T-mac obviously knows as well - why else would he don the uniform but as a symbolic act that he is still a Rocket....all of this.

He'd done as a Rocket in my opinion. The damage is irreversible. It was done back last year when he ended his season not by going to Adelman but to the media. At that point, RA wrote him off and clearly didn't care what he did.

T-macs efforts were for naught in terms of Houston. It's kinda sad...but you know what, we're just fans at the end of the day. We don't get a choice or a decision.

If it were up to me, I'd want to see RA and Morey say to T-mac, "You can play, but only if you play RA's offense, and your PT will be based on that, not on the numbers you put up".

I would have hoped he would be given that option, but I think he could ad a lot to this team.

Oh well, I'm just a fan.

[daywalker02]

Adelman is spiteful, Morey is shady, Les's background is somehow a problem,.. and now Clutch isn't trustworthy? :eek:

As I said 'He is not interested in playing him' can mean anything. He is not pondering to play him right away or at all. We don't know that.
As of now he's not interested. That is clear to me but it does not mean he will not play him later in the year or next year. Yes, it does hurt his trade value enormously.

[Hball]

Im starting not to like adelman, he's the reason we lost wafer, and he did the same thing to francis even when alston was playing horrible, it like he puts his personal issuse's with players before the team.

[ibm]

Im starting not to like adelman, he's the reason we lost wafer, and he did the same thing to francis even when alston was playing horrible, it like he puts his personal issuse's with players before the team.

first ever post and you bash our coach? ban this guy! :mad: :grin:

now seriously, sf3? his second term was adelman's fault? did you see him resign anywhere after parting ways with the rockets? anyone wanted him? thought so.

[daywalker02]

Im starting not to like adelman, he's the reason we lost wafer, and he did the same thing to francis even when alston was playing horrible, it like he puts his personal issuse's with players before the team.

I lol'ed. Adelman gave him the opportunity to play as a starter firsthand. Wow.

[ClutchCity3]

Stacy's fans are so pathetic, what is with all the hates on Adelman? :confused:

[ElPigto]

Im starting not to like adelman, he's the reason we lost wafer, and he did the same thing to francis even when alston was playing horrible, it like he puts his personal issuse's with players before the team.

Lol, you must love mediocre coaches then?

[jeffvangundy]

Stacy's fans are so pathetic, what is with all the hates on Adelman? :confused:

Think about Ariza, he does exactly what T-mac did last year. Why would Coach not give Tracy a chance to prove he's back to his old self ?
T-Mac needs to take his time though, he sounds like hes rushing himself back on the court

[DaDakota]

Think about Ariza, he does exactly what T-mac did last year. Why would Coach not give Tracy a chance to prove he's back to his old self ?
T-Mac needs to take his time though, he sounds like hes rushing himself back on the court

Because Ariza is coachable, and is an up and coming player, and he is 1/3rd the cost, and plays defense.

If you really can't tell the difference then why ask?

DD

[vcchlw]

All "I am sorry but we need TMac" fans can eat crow now!

[ibm]

Think about Ariza, he does exactly what T-mac did last year. Why would Coach not give Tracy a chance to prove he's back to his old self ?
T-Mac needs to take his time though, he sounds like hes rushing himself back on the court

oh yeah? did ariza quit a play during the heat of a game? did he get blocked by a rim? or your intel tells you he's gonna go to the media to announce he's having a surgery? or maybe he's said something like "damn, this houston team ain't as good as i thought; had i still had kobe in here..."

which one is it?

[Sweet Lou 4 2]

People have to keep in mind Adelman's history as well.

Adelman is no stranger to stars coming back from Microfracture surgery too quickly.

He experienced this with Chris Webber. Adelman knows that T-mac feels ready but he is not.

I also am wondering, if T-mac feels better than he actually is. 8 month recovery time? Only player to ever do that was John Stockton which was amazing.

But most players don't do that. Maybe Adelman sees patterns and similarities with Webber.

I do trust Adelman here. It might not be about not wanting t-mac back, it might just be about wanting t-mac to be at a certain level, and honestly, RA doesn't think t-mac can be at that level anytime soon.

[Rocket4Life11]

Stacy's fans are so pathetic, what is with all the hates on Adelman? :confused:
Tracy fans always blame others. Remind you of someone.

Tracy's fans ALWAYS hates on Yao. Now it looks like Adelman, Morey, and Les will be the next targets.

[daywalker02]

Tracy fans always blame others. Remind you of someone.

Tracy's fans ALWAYS hates on Yao. Now it looks like Adelman, Morey, and Les will be the next targets.

Not true. You can be fans both of Yao and Tracy.

[Hball]

first ever post and you bash our coach? ban this guy! :mad: :grin:

now seriously, sf3? his second term was adelman's fault? did you see him resign anywhere after parting ways with the rockets? anyone wanted him? thought so.

Point is, all those bricks alston was putting up, I know francis would have atleast been able to attack the basket and get to the line which is something our team lacked with alston.

[Rocket4Life11]

Not true. You can be fans both of Yao and Tracy.
IMHO..Yao haters are mostly Tracy fans.

[daywalker02]

IMHO..Yao haters are mostly Tracy fans.

You have to put the team before BOTH but in dire needs. Given the games the team has played so far it is not in a critical situation.

[HowsMyDriving]

thank god. good riddance tracy.

[ibm]

Point is, all those bricks alston was putting up, I know francis would have atleast been able to attack the basket and get to the line which is something our team lacked with alston.

sf3 was seriously out of shape. he did get some minutes. it's not like ra never gave him a chance. iirc, ra was about to start sf3 instead of rafer before the season started.

sf3 attacking the basket? maybe. but rafer has that nice tear-drop... :grin:

[ROXTXIA]

They do,but our role players have limitations. Unfortunately,no one is willing to give us anything good in return for him. Gotta try and work it out in order to increase his trade value,there is no other way.

Tmac by himself? Next to zilch. Combine Tmac with one or two of our up-and-coming players on their reasonable contracts and we might just get the very player we're looking for. Certainly some sort of upgrade.

[DreamShook]

This doesn't even sound like Adelman at all..

[drobsnightmare]

Cue the Photoshop the Pain threads!

[sephiroth.hk]

Tracy fans always blame others. Remind you of someone.

Tracy's fans ALWAYS hates on Yao. Now it looks like Adelman, Morey, and Les will be the next targets.

not true.
i think most fans will like both yao & tmac.
eg. i like most players in rockets. tmac, yao, battier, scola, hayes, ....

[Icehouse]

This team is fools gold. Superstars win champions.

I agree. But he isn't a superstar anymore, IMO....

[TheFreak]

And people are thinking a little too much of this "great" start of 8-6. The Rockets are STILL not making the playoffs without a legit go-to scorer, and they are still very much a flawed team.


I see someone is angling for an early nomination for the Brooksball award for '09-'10.

[daywalker02]

not true.
i think most fans will like both yao & tmac.
eg. i like most players in rockets. tmac, yao, battier, scola, hayes, cloud strife....tifa lockheart ;) ....

Seconded.

[Yetti]

Adelman loves this team too much to taint it with a player he doesn't like at all.

I trust Adelman's judgment (and over 800 career wins with a .650 winning percentage).
Then as the owner I must replace Coach 'A' as he is putting his peronal life before the success of my team ! :p

[saleem]

Tmac by himself? Next to zilch. Combine Tmac with one or two of our up-and-coming players on their reasonable contracts and we might just get the very player we're looking for. Certainly some sort of upgrade.

It might be possible to get a decent player plus a poison pill(difficult one to swallow) by moving his 23M contract plus the others. The question that arises is will that help us in the long run or not?
We will need some luck possibly in a 3 way to get a good deal. Not easy by any means.
Let's see what happens.

[crash5179]

This team is fools gold. Superstars win champions.

Either you do not consider TMac a superstar or you must concede that not all superstars win championships.

[raj87]

Then as the owner I must replace Coach 'A' as he is putting his peronal life before the success of my team ! :p

100% agreed, Leslie A!

[clos4life]

I will go on the record to say that Trading Tracy for anything less than a superstar is a mistake.