Is it time for the Rockets to make a deal with the Devil?

[rockets934life]

First off I know that I will probably get annihilated for starting this thread but I am big boy so I can take it but want to make a few things clear first...

1) Not panicking or anything just thought the timing made sense with the recent TMAC drama.
2) I am looking at 2011 not 2010 since we wont have ANY money to spend anyway.
3) We need a big and shooting guard...this Battier/Ariza 2/3 thing ain't going to work over 82 games.
4) We are going in the right direction but we need that cold blooded son of a gun who is willing to step on a throat and this guy would fit that bill and then some.

I know ALOT of people really don't like Stephen Jackson but I believe in the Adelman system he will be a good fit along with a leader that wont be afraid to take that shot at the end of the game. He can create a bit and this season while going through hell and back in Oakland has been showing off his entire game dimes, boards and scoring.

He has TONS of baggage and is a headcase but look at how Ron Ron who is a way more insane then this fool was able to act understanding what was at stake. It would be committing to 4 years of SJAX so thats a BIG risk but with the money we will be having next summer will there be anything else better out there without losing alot?

Here is the deal, keep in mind your getting a big that would be ideal in Adelman's system, SJAX and Foster who is as tough an SOB as they come along with getting rid of TMAC and his headaches. All this can happen because GS is having a hard time trading SJAX and I know its for a reason but this could be the ideal scenrio for SJAX.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop

Here is the deal with the devil...

Rox get SJAX, Murphy and Foster(Gunner and bigs we need)

GS gets Diener and Cook(Expiring contracts and gets out of SJAX contract)

Indiana gets TMAC(Gets out of 18.7 million in salaries for a franchise who is struggle BIG TIME financially)

We will then have Yao's, Murphy's and Foster's contracts all up in 2011 total=34 million.

Brooks/Lowry
SJAX/Budinger
Ariza/Battier/Taylor
Scola/Landry/Foster/Pops
Murphy/Hayes/Andersen/Yao

Ok go ahead and tear me apart but please be gentle... ;)

[DcProWLer277]

**** no...

[True Rocket]

Random Trades FTW.

[Blaze_3]

how much time did you spend on figuring out t-mac trades??

[Kwame]

Stephen Jackson is a better player than Ron Artest.

[Prometheus]

0 stars. Terrible idea.

[Ziggy]

We made the deal with the devil. We got 2 rings for it. Now we have to sit through Rudy T health issues, constant injuries, Kenny Thomas getting bit by a dog in the face, blue dildo unis, Katrina, David Andersens face, etc...

[REEKO_HTOWN]

I'd rather lose 50 games then have Jax for 3 years.

[rockets934life]

how much time did you spend on figuring out t-mac trades??

Considering its the first one I created that I can remember, not long at all. Isn't it obivous? lol :p

[Rokman]

We made the deal with the devil. We got 2 rings for it. Now we have to sit through Rudy T health issues, constant injuries, Kenny Thomas getting bit by a dog in the face, blue dildo unis, Katrina, David Andersens face, etc...


LOL!! Now that's funny!!

[Slimjim19]

The Rockets would get the best deal theoretically out of this, but realistically, I don't think it will work out well. We still don't know how T-mac will play when he returns.

Also, what are the Warriors going to do with Diener and Cook? Plant them on the bench probably. It's also a bad deal for Indiana. Yes, McGrady's contract is coming off their payroll, but a lineup of T-mac and Granger this year isn't going to work. I also don't see the Pacers giving up Murphy who's extremely valuable to them.

At least you put some decent thought to this, in my opinion.

[rhino17]

how is this a bad deal? I don't get some of you guys

[Possum]

I would do it yesterday. If we could get a player the caliber of Jackson and 2 Centers that fit Adelmans system for nothing more than TMac,,,,,,,,,,well it would be crazy not to take that. I dont know how anyone could pass up this deal.

[rockets934life]

The Rockets would get the best deal theoretically out of this, but realistically, I don't think it will work out well. We still don't know how T-mac will play when he returns.

Also, what are the Warriors going to do with Diener and Cook? Plant them on the bench probably. It's also a bad deal for Indiana. Yes, McGrady's contract is coming off their payroll, but a lineup of T-mac and Granger this year isn't going to work. I also don't see the Pacers giving up Murphy who's extremely valuable to them.

At least you put some decent thought to this, in my opinion.

Thanks Slim, Diener and Cook are expiring salaries who will come off the books and eliminate a headache who seems like they can't find a good fit for Wacky Nelson. Indiana is really having a hard time economically so having 22 million come off there books now instead of in 2 years may be worth them losing an asset like Murphy. Atleast this is the way I look at it from both GS and Indiana's view point.

:D

[Big MAK]

Wow, another Jackson Tracy thread, what an original idea...

Here 's the simple answer, f no. Why would you want that trash on our team?

[llRainmanll]

warriors aren't that desperate.

[RV6]

I would do it yesterday. If we could get a player the caliber of Jackson and 2 Centers that fit Adelmans system for nothing more than TMac,,,,,,,,,,well it would be crazy not to take that. I dont know how anyone could pass up this deal.


and where would you like to put those two centers, in Yao's socks? This thread is in response to Yao's injury, stocking up on centers now just clogs up the spot when Yao returns, and creates a whole at that time. What may helpus this year may not help us next year...

Sjax is a head case for one, if he doesn't like something all of a sudden he's going to throw a fit, you don't want someone that sensitive when you're trying to build a contender, it will screw up your plans quickly...he's also not that much better than Ariza, he can dribble, but it's not like he can get his own when he wants, his success is mainly due to the warriors' style, without it he's just above Ariza's current role/play. He's not the swingman we need to replace tmac.

On paper it seems good, but as far as impact it would be like getting Sjax and one back up big. Jax may get some minutes, but foster isn't going to beat out Yao, scola, or landry for minutes and maybe not even chuck. Murphy can compete for minutes, but where? you've got FOUR guys not just at the forward spot, but power forward, and another 4 at center??

[Kojirou]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....

breathe.....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

So, no.

[rockets934life]

and where would you like to put those two centers, in Yao's socks? This thread is in response to Yao's injury, stocking up on centers now just clogs up the spot when Yao returns, and creates a whole at that time. What may helpus this year may not help us next year...

Sjax is a head case for one, if he doesn't like something all of a sudden he's going to throw a fit, you don't want someone that sensitive when you're trying to build a contender, it will screw up your plans quickly...he's also not that much better than Ariza, he can dribble, but it's not like he can get his own when he wants, his success is mainly due to the warriors' style, without it he's just above Ariza's current role/play. He's not the swingman we need to replace tmac.

On paper it seems good, but as far as impact it would be like getting Sjax and one back up big. Jax may get some minutes, but foster isn't going to beat out Yao, scola, or landry for minutes and maybe not even chuck. Murphy can compete for minutes, but where? you've got FOUR guys not just at the forward spot, but power forward, and another 4 at center??

1) To many centers? - I call them trade assets and 2 expiring contracts NEXT season plus ERIKA DAMPIER HAD 20 FREAKING REBOUNDS :eek:

2)Sjax now >>> Ariza..can't be serious, he has been good in SA and Indiana now when his contract expires then yes Ariza could and should be better.

3)Foster is here for depth and toughness...one injury right now and WE ARE SCREWED...my example look waht happened when we lost Budinger for a game. Most importantly Murphy can be 4 or 5 and even 3, SJAX can be 2 or 3 maybe even a 1 in a pinch and gives you tons of flexiblity at other spots.

[T_Man]

Patience My Young Padawan

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He that can have Patience, can have what he will

Benjamin Franklin

[bigrub]

decent deal but the rockets can get more for tmac once hes healthy golden states pretty desprate the would bite on it but i dont know if jax n murphy are good fits for the rockets plus that will throw 2010 free agency out the door

[nolimitnp]

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[RV6]

1) To many centers? - I call them trade assets and 2 expiring contracts NEXT season plus ERIKA DAMPIER HAD 20 FREAKING REBOUNDS :eek:

2)Sjax now >>> Ariza..can't be serious, he has been good in SA and Indiana now when his contract expires then yes Ariza could and should be better.

3)Foster is here for depth and toughness...one injury right now and WE ARE SCREWED...my example look waht happened when we lost Budinger for a game. Most importantly Murphy can be 4 or 5 and even 3, SJAX can be 2 or 3 maybe even a 1 in a pinch and gives you tons of flexiblity at other spots.


What does Dampier have to do with this? Are we going to play all 4 centers at once to keep him from getting 20 boards? No. One at a time, we don't need 4, he's freakin erick dampier afterall. Yao and solid back up is all we need, maybe a third who can also play PF, but 8 guys for those two spots is ridiculous when yao alone is going to get 30 mins + at center.

Jax can't play the one. One injury and yes we're screwed, and one jackson fit and we're also screwed. Almost as bad as being injury prone..

[JPhil93]

First off I know that I will probably get annihilated for starting this thread but I am big boy so I can take it but want to make a few things clear first...

1) Not panicking or anything just thought the timing made sense with the recent TMAC drama.
2) I am looking at 2011 not 2010 since we wont have ANY money to spend anyway.
3) We need a big and shooting guard...this Battier/Ariza 2/3 thing ain't going to work over 82 games.
4) We are going in the right direction but we need that cold blooded son of a gun who is willing to step on a throat and this guy would fit that bill and then some.

I know ALOT of people really don't like Stephen Jackson but I believe in the Adelman system he will be a good fit along with a leader that wont be afraid to take that shot at the end of the game. He can create a bit and this season while going through hell and back in Oakland has been showing off his entire game dimes, boards and scoring.

He has TONS of baggage and is a headcase but look at how Ron Ron who is a way more insane then this fool was able to act understanding what was at stake. It would be committing to 4 years of SJAX so thats a BIG risk but with the money we will be having next summer will there be anything else better out there without losing alot?

Here is the deal, keep in mind your getting a big that would be ideal in Adelman's system, SJAX and Foster who is as tough an SOB as they come along with getting rid of TMAC and his headaches. All this can happen because GS is having a hard time trading SJAX and I know its for a reason but this could be the ideal scenrio for SJAX.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop

Here is the deal with the devil...

Rox get SJAX, Murphy and Foster(Gunner and bigs we need)

GS gets Diener and Cook(Expiring contracts and gets out of SJAX contract)

Indiana gets TMAC(Gets out of 18.7 million in salaries for a franchise who is struggle BIG TIME financially)

We will then have Yao's, Murphy's and Foster's contracts all up in 2011 total=34 million.

Brooks/Lowry
SJAX/Budinger
Ariza/Battier/Taylor
Scola/Landry/Foster/Pops
Murphy/Hayes/Andersen/Yao

Ok go ahead and tear me apart but please be gentle... ;)



I wish i could agree with you but no one wants Tmacs overpaid injury prone self on their team. Stephen Jackson yes but they wont give Murphy or Foster in this trade. I dont think people realize that we cant just throw trades in the air and hope for the best. Tmac just isnt worth much at the moment and 18.7 million is a long term investment in a player that originally said he was gonna retire after this year.

[Z-Ro&Trae]

damn. not this sh!t again. :mad:

[Invisible Fan]

Lets trade for Jac...


NO

[TeamUSA]

this team need no superstars. it will break our bball chemistry.

[meh]

There are two problems with aiming for 2011.

1. Many Rockets players are due raises this offseason. This includes Scola and Landry. Brooks could be getting a big raise in 2011 too if he continues to improve. This will eat up quite a bit of cap space.

2. This is bad from a marketing standpoint. Because it would imply that the Rockets are mailing it in next season. Sure, you can pull this off in a video game if you want to procure cap space for a particular season. But one season is an eternity when it comes to not selling out your stadium.

[solid]

Why should we trade with the Jazz!!?

[Summer Song Giver]

I would prefer to never have my least favorite player (Stephen Jackson) on my most favorite team, thank you very much but no thanks.

[RV6]

Nellie:
"We know Jack wants out, we’re trying to accommodate him. That’s not gonna help. It’s harder than hell to trade that guy. He’s got his history; he’s got a long-term contract. We’re trying.”

[rockets934life]

Nellie:
"We know Jack wants out, we’re trying to accommodate him. That’s not gonna help. It’s harder than hell to trade that guy. He’s got his history; he’s got a long-term contract. We’re trying.”

I know the guy is a headcase that carries baggage but Nelly is just as wacky so I take some of what he is saying very lightly. Look I knew ALOT of people don't like SJAX and thats understandable but the guy can play and would be ideal to what the Rox want to do thus the title to the thread. This locker room is a STRONG group so I like to think that a guy this talented can be influenced in a positive way much like Ron Ron was last year. Along with the other pieces we would be reciving makes it worth it for me but again it has Risk and lots of it so I understood if alot of folks aren't down with it.

I will say this for those who say this isn't enough for TMAC you guys are delusional, TMAC isn't going to get a superstar in return IMO but can get you a very good player to build with but also some not so great contracts will come along for the ride. For those of you who say I overvalue his deal, that I can agree with because it will be in the eye of the beholder as to how truly valuable that expiring deal will be.

[sjackson0]

We made the deal with the devil. We got 2 rings for it. Now we have to sit through Rudy T health issues, constant injuries, Kenny Thomas getting bit by a dog in the face, blue dildo unis, Katrina, David Andersens face, etc...


LMAO!!!!

CLASSIC!

[DrNuegebauer]

Why should we trade with the Jazz!!?

I agree!!

I'm still reading through the original post and trying to figure this post out - it SAYS we're dealing with the devil, but I can't figure out which Utah player is coming back :confused:

Lil' help anyone?

[RV6]

I know the guy is a headcase that carries baggage but Nelly is just as wacky so I take some of what he is saying very lightly. Look I knew ALOT of people don't like SJAX and thats understandable but the guy can play and would be ideal to what the Rox want to do thus the title to the thread. This locker room is a STRONG group so I like to think that a guy this talented can be influenced in a positive way much like Ron Ron was last year. Along with the other pieces we would be reciving makes it worth it for me but again it has Risk and lots of it so I understood if alot of folks aren't down with it.

I will say this for those who say this isn't enough for TMAC you guys are delusional, TMAC isn't going to get a superstar in return IMO but can get you a very good player to build with but also some not so great contracts will come along for the ride. For those of you who say I overvalue his deal, that I can agree with because it will be in the eye of the beholder as to how truly valuable that expiring deal will be.


i'm guessing you haven't heard things with ron ron weren't all that great in the locker room....you dont want any guy in the locker room like that, if he was a young guy that didnt know any better, then our group could perhaps influence him to get his act straight, but grown men like ron and Jax who have been around the league arent going to give in to that.

And the warriors have been trying for a while to trade jax, its not just nellie talking, and they can't get anything done. Even some players were quoted recently as saying it's best for jax to be traded..

[Drawkwa22]

how much time did you spend on figuring out t-mac trades??

haha this.

this trade would never happen... why would indiana bring in mcgrady if they are building around danny granger?

[pdewalt]

this team need no superstars. it will break our bball chemistry.

No superstar(s) = no championship(s)

Read this taken from a recent ESPN article:

"Check the annals: Only one time in the last 30 years has a team with just one star finished as champion. And that crew, Hakeem Olajuwon's 1994 Houston Rockets, beat another team in the Finals, Patrick Ewing's New York Knicks, that featured just one star.

Nowadays, every club in the title hunt, except Cleveland, is stacked with stars.

Boston has three future Hall of Famers and a budding perennial All-Star in Rajon Rondo, not to mention four-time All-Star Rasheed Wallace. Orlando has Dwight Howard, Vince Carter, Rashard Lewis and Jameer Nelson. San Antonio has Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker and Richard Jefferson.

And in L.A., the Lakers have five guys with all-star ability: Kobe, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum, Ron Artest and Lamar Odom.

Want to throw in the Denver Nuggets? They have at least Carmelo Anthony and Chauncey Billups".

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=broussard_chris&page=LeBronMiami-091112

[Drawkwa22]

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GI JOOEEEEee

"pork chop sandwiches"

awesome.

[ak99999]

I know the guy is a headcase that carries baggage but Nelly is just as wacky so I take some of what he is saying very lightly. Look I knew ALOT of people don't like SJAX and thats understandable but the guy can play and would be ideal to what the Rox want to do thus the title to the thread. This locker room is a STRONG group so I like to think that a guy this talented can be influenced in a positive way much like Ron Ron was last year. Along with the other pieces we would be reciving makes it worth it for me but again it has Risk and lots of it so I understood if alot of folks aren't down with it.

I will say this for those who say this isn't enough for TMAC you guys are delusional, TMAC isn't going to get a superstar in return IMO but can get you a very good player to build with but also some not so great contracts will come along for the ride. For those of you who say I overvalue his deal, that I can agree with because it will be in the eye of the beholder as to how truly valuable that expiring deal will be.

Jackson can barely shoot better than Rafer at about 40% for his career. We just got rid of one brick master so we dont need another.

[b2bizchina]

SJAX????No!No!No!!!

[Naija Texan]

No superstar(s) = no championship(s)

Read this taken from a recent ESPN article:

"Check the annals: Only one time in the last 30 years has a team with just one star finished as champion. And that crew, Hakeem Olajuwon's 1994 Houston Rockets, beat another team in the Finals, Patrick Ewing's New York Knicks, that featured just one star.

Nowadays, every club in the title hunt, except Cleveland, is stacked with stars.

Boston has three future Hall of Famers and a budding perennial All-Star in Rajon Rondo, not to mention four-time All-Star Rasheed Wallace. Orlando has Dwight Howard, Vince Carter, Rashard Lewis and Jameer Nelson. San Antonio has Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker and Richard Jefferson.

And in L.A., the Lakers have five guys with all-star ability: Kobe, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum, Ron Artest and Lamar Odom.

Want to throw in the Denver Nuggets? They have at least Carmelo Anthony and Chauncey Billups".

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=broussard_chris&page=LeBronMiami-091112

But ultimately right now, we don't need any superstars.

Right now, we are developing Ariza, Brooks, Budinger and Landry to possibly be our future players which means, adding a superstar now, will make for a mess later on, should they grow into legit all star caliber players within the next year and a half.

Going into the season, I think most didn't expect much from this Rockets team, I think we should definitely go forward with our current set without needing to worry about major talent until the off season.

[texascityman31]

Incoming Players
Andres Nocioni
6-7 SF from Argentina (Foreign)
11.1 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.5 minutes
Beno Udrih
6-3 PG from Slovenia (Foreign)
12.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 3.6 apg in 28.1 minutes
Kevin Martin
6-7 SG from Western Carolina
30.6 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.6 apg in 41.7 minutes
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
2.0 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 0.5 apg in 11.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Chase Budinger
6-7 SF from Arizona
10.3 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.6 apg in 18.9 minutes
Carl Landry
6-8 PF from Purdue
15.6 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.5 apg in 25.2 minutes
Tracy McGrady
6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS)
No games yet played in 2009-2010
Brian Cook
6-9 PF from Illinois
0.0 ppg, 0.3 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.7 minutes
Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -30.1 ppg, -6.7 rpg, and -5.6 apg.


Ok check out our future after this trade. 2010-2011 NBA season (minutes per game).

[B]PF - Scola (28mpg)

SF - Ariza (28mpg)

C - Yao (30mpg)

SG - Martin (35mpg)

PG - Brooks (30mpg)

Bench:

PG - Lowry (18mpg)

SG/SF - Battier (26mpg)

SF/PF - Nocioni (18mpg)

PF - Hayes (14mpg)

C - Anderson (13mpg)

Draft Pick

PG - Udrich

[FR0497]

But ultimately right now, we don't need any superstars.

Right now, we are developing Ariza, Brooks, Budinger and Landry to possibly be our future players which means, adding a superstar now, will make for a mess later on, should they grow into legit all star caliber players within the next year and a half.

Going into the season, I think most didn't expect much from this Rockets team, I think we should definitely go forward with our current set without needing to worry about major talent until the off season.

If we have the chance to get a superstar this season we need to take it. You don't wait a year and a half hoping one of your players turns into one. Imo, the 4 you listed will never be all star players.

[Seth]

I like the idea of the OP, i just don't think GS would accept that trade.
The only way to get GS to bite is if somhow they would be interested in having the full expiring contract. Then we could ask them what to part with.

I don't believe we need a couple of superstars as some mentioned. SA has been champion with Ginobili and Parker, which are stars, but not Superstars.

I think Jacskon can fill tha role, and Brooks, Scola or Landry can all become the other borderline star we need.

[postaboi713]

Incoming Players
Andres Nocioni
6-7 SF from Argentina (Foreign)
11.1 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.5 minutes
Beno Udrih
6-3 PG from Slovenia (Foreign)
12.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 3.6 apg in 28.1 minutes
Kevin Martin
6-7 SG from Western Carolina
30.6 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.6 apg in 41.7 minutes
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
2.0 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 0.5 apg in 11.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Chase Budinger
6-7 SF from Arizona
10.3 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.6 apg in 18.9 minutes
Carl Landry
6-8 PF from Purdue
15.6 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.5 apg in 25.2 minutes
Tracy McGrady
6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS)
No games yet played in 2009-2010
Brian Cook
6-9 PF from Illinois
0.0 ppg, 0.3 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.7 minutes
Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -30.1 ppg, -6.7 rpg, and -5.6 apg.


Ok check out our future after this trade. 2010-2011 NBA season (minutes per game).

[B]PF - Scola (28mpg)

SF - Ariza (28mpg)

C - Yao (30mpg)

SG - Martin (35mpg)

PG - Brooks (30mpg)

Bench:

PG - Lowry (18mpg)

SG/SF - Battier (26mpg)

SF/PF - Nocioni (18mpg)

PF - Hayes (14mpg)

C - Anderson (13mpg)

Draft Pick

PG - Udrich

the hell is wrong you :confused:

[megastahr]

I think we are showing off our assets which we have a TON...and I think we should ONLY settle for a disgruntled superstar....like Bosh or Paul.

I mean good chance bosh leaves with raptors sucking it up...we could prob get him...do a 3 way trade with Toronto send scola and martin to toronto we get bosh and bad contracts kings get draft picks cap relief and young talent like Jermaine Taylor.

Or with all the problems with chris paul...who better to trade with them than us? We can eat crappy pejas contract and give them Lowry or brooks to fill the HUGE voide Paul will leave...give them cap space...draft picks and there choice of Cs, PFs, or SFs.

I dont know what but I see another Tmac type deal. Just think of the lowry deal...were sitting here say get steven jackson and Keven martin would be incriminatol at best....

and then he goes and trades alston for a younger better pg...no other GMs make moves like that....way off the radar.

ITs always a veteran player in the last year of his contract or overpaid bad contract...never a great young high upside player for your old veteran ...just realize who we got pulling the strings......wow this was way too long for this early in the am...

[blactrs2]

SJAX is a better player than ariza. SJAX, as crazy as he is, is a complete player. he's a better shooter, and equal defender, he's just better. now i dont know about bringing him over. but if he can keep his mouth shut he'd be a great addition. i like the tradesimply bc i think he wouldnt complain as much here, with a group of guys that work, play D, and a good coach. i think he'd fit just like artest did. how can you come here and complain with the lineup we currently have and the way those guys leave it all on the floor every night

[HPD]

We made the deal with the devil. We got 2 rings for it. Now we have to sit through Rudy T health issues, constant injuries, Kenny Thomas getting bit by a dog in the face, blue dildo unis , Katrina, David Andersens face, etc...


classic !!

[Naija Texan]

SJAX is a better player than ariza. SJAX, as crazy as he is, is a complete player. he's a better shooter, and equal defender, he's just better. now i dont know about bringing him over. but if he can keep his mouth shut he'd be a great addition. i like the tradesimply bc i think he wouldnt complain as much here, with a group of guys that work, play D, and a good coach. i think he'd fit just like artest did. how can you come here and complain with the lineup we currently have and the way those guys leave it all on the floor every night

The problem lies in the same reason the Rockets didn't make a move at all for Artest. We are thinking LONG TERM, not quick fixes. Jackson isn't a young player, so we might not be guaranteed to have him at his best as long as we could potential have Ariza nor are we likely to have him be as malleable to coaching in different things.


As for any other potential trade, I'd rather if we are losing McGrady not to lose one of other quality players in the mix which a lot of these trade proposals seem intent on doing.