[NY Daily News] Raptors Privately Considering Trading Bosh

[YaoforPrez]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2009/05/30/2009-05-30_these_lakers_ready_for_knockout.html

Quote:

The Raptors are privately acknowledging for the first time that they might need to trade Chris Bosh, rather than risk losing him to free agency in 2010, according to a report from the New York Daily News.

The Bulls remain interested in Bosh, but Luol Deng would have to be part of a package going to the Raptors.

Bosh could also end up in Detroit in a package that would net the Raptors Carlos Boozer, according to the report.

[napalm_black]

Bosh could also end up in Detroit in a package that would net the Raptors Carlos Boozer, according to the report.
Cool. Bosh to Detroit and that fat-headed sea-lion headed for the East. I like this.

[A_3PO]

"Private" huh?

If the Raptors move Bosh and sign Boozer long-term, that would be a huge mistake. I doubt he would go there unless they paid him a lot more than anyone else offers.

[YaoforPrez]

my original quote was from Real GM who got it from NY daily news. Here's the quote from NY Daily News:

• Although Carlos Boozer could be headed to Detroit in a free-agent deal in July, there's a chance he'll end up going to Toronto in a package for Chris Bosh. The Bulls remain interested in Bosh, but Luol Deng would have to be part of a package going to the Raptors. The Raptors, privately, are acknowledging for the first time that they might need to trade Bosh, rather than risk losing him to free agency in 2010.

[ChrisBosh]

"Private" huh?

If the Raptors move Bosh and sign Boozer long-term, that would be a huge mistake. I doubt he would go there unless they paid him a lot more than anyone else offers.


I agree I doubt this will happen. Bosh might get traded, but Boozer is not going to be th guy to replace him, well I hope not...

[baller4life315]

Didn't Stephen A. Smith report this months ago?

[YaoforPrez]

Didn't Stephen A. Smith report this months ago?

stephen a. smith doesnt report. he just yells stupid statements and repeats them til they cut away from him. He feels he has to speak so loud cuz everyone's realized he's an idiot and tunes him out. he is only good for being heckled at the nba draft by the NY people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAB5lOIl-2U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvJGghOuFlQ&feature=related

[Raven]

Has Bosh reached his ceiling?

[YaoforPrez]

stephen a. smith doesnt report. he just yells stupid statements and repeats them til they cut away from him. He feels he has to speak so loud cuz everyone's realized he's an idiot and tunes him out. he is only good for being heckled at the nba draft by the NY people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAB5lOIl-2U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvJGghOuFlQ&feature=related

sorry that was totally off topic. i just get annoyed by that man.

anyways, bosh may have reached his ceiling, but 22pts 10 rebs 1 block 1 steal while being pretty good from the line and the occasional 3 aint bad. he's consistenly put up these #'s the last few seasons.

[baller4life315]

stephen a. smith doesnt report. he just yells stupid statements and repeats them til they cut away from him. He feels he has to speak so loud cuz everyone's realized he's an idiot and tunes him out. he is only good for being heckled at the nba draft by the NY people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAB5lOIl-2U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvJGghOuFlQ&feature=related

Well, I am very familiar with SAS. I just recall him reporting something of this nature and getting flamed as a result of it, that's all.

[YaoforPrez]

Well, I am very familiar with SAS. I just recall him reporting something of this nature and getting flamed as a result of it, that's all.

my annoyance was not directed at you in any way. sorry if it seemed that way. i just think SAS is the only exception where killing the messenger is OK :D

[Dave_78]

I have no idea if it can be done or not but ever since Cleveland went down 3-1 to Orlando I keep getting a feeling Bosh will end up in Cleveland next season.

It's only fair that Lebron get his sidekick for free since Kobe got his last season.

[blender]

Is it me or do star players don't want to stick around Toronto and/or not want to get traded there? Something against living and playing in Canada, or higher taxes perhaps? If so, it kind of sucks.

[Classic]

I have no idea if it can be done or not but ever since Cleveland went down 3-1 to Orlando I keep getting a feeling Bosh will end up in Cleveland next season.

It's only fair that Lebron get his sidekick for free since Kobe got his last season.

True, no reason the NBA can't rape and pillage another small market for the benefit of the superstar.

Hell why we're at it, the nba needs to get rid of the last few expansion teams. Get rid of Toronto, Memphis, Charlotte and OK city and make the rest of the teams more talented. That would also help drive down the ridiculous salaries these pre-maddonas demand.

[emjohn]

Has Bosh reached his ceiling?
Yes. Jermaine O'Neal v2.0

And Boo$er would never sign with Detroit if he thinks there's a chance he'd be traded 7 months later.

What I'm interested to see is if Utah is at all willing to participate in a S&T.

Evan

[ChrisBosh]

True, no reason the NBA can't rape and pillage another small market for the benefit of the superstar.

Hell why we're at it, the nba needs to get rid of the last few expansion teams. Get rid of Toronto, Memphis, Charlotte and OK city and make the rest of the teams more talented. That would also help drive down the ridiculous salaries these pre-maddonas demand.


Toronto is NOT a small market.......Jeeez you really need to look at the figures. Silly post.


I agree with those that say Bosh has reached his ceiling, I don't see him getting much better. Bargnani has a higher ceiling than this guy.

[TheBigAristotle]

Is it me or do star players don't want to stick around Toronto and/or not want to get traded there? Something against living and playing in Canada, or higher taxes perhaps? If so, it kind of sucks.

It could be the higher taxes. All I know is the canadian fanbase has one team and they aren't even that passionate about it, let alone basketball in general. It's pretty much the country that no one wants to go to unless it's for the first 5-6 years for a nice bucket of cash.

[ChrisBosh]

It could be the higher taxes. All I know is the canadian fanbase has one team and they aren't even that passionate about it, let alone basketball in general. It's pretty much the country that no one wants to go to unless it's for the first 5-6 years for a nice bucket of cash.



It is not higher taxes....there are ways around it. We are a passionate fanbase, when we have a winning team we are usually up there in attendance (top 5). Thing is its a younger generation that's into basketball, and its huge.....look at Realgm, we have the most active fans.....all this team needs is time and good mgm....we've got to give a reason to the younger crowd to spend its money on the basketball team.

[Rocket86]

Bosh needs a fresh start with another team. A move would probably change his game and given the drive to play like an all-star again.

[TheBigAristotle]

It is not higher taxes....there are ways around it. We are a passionate fanbase, when we have a winning team we are usually up there in attendance (top 5). Thing is its a younger generation that's into basketball, and its huge.....look at Realgm, we have the most active fans.....all this team needs is time and good mgm....we've got to give a reason to the younger crowd to spend its money on the basketball team.

My mistake, I was basing all of it off of it being Canada. Retraction.

[ChrisBosh]

http://www.thestar.com/sports/article/645658





Raptors' Bosh suggests he'll opt for free agency


Dave Feschuk
Sports Columnist
Chris Bosh, the Toronto Raptors all-star, suggested strongly Thursday that he will forgo signing a contract extension this summer, setting himself up to be among a historically stacked NBA free agent class next year.

"(When) I signed a three-year (extension in 2006)... I had a goal in mind, and that was to put myself in the best position (in 2010) ... I'm thinking I just want to stick to my goal, stick to what I was doing," said Bosh.

"That's a part of the plan ... I just want to address things (after) next season. There's a reason why I did things the way I did them back then."

Bryan Colangelo, the Raptors president and general manager, has spoken optimistically about the odds of inking his best player to an extension this summer, when Bosh could sign a three-year addition to his current deal as early as next month. Still, Colangelo was hardly taken aback by word that Bosh was leaning strongly toward opting out of his current deal in 2010, when the 6-foot-10 forward would be among a crop of free agents that includes LeBron James and Dwyane Wade.

"I have been pretty clear that that's what I anticipate his position to be," said Colangelo.

Bosh, slated to earn about $15.7 million (U.S.) next season, said leaving his contract status hanging will be a "win-win situation" for both him and his struggling team, which won just 33 games this past season.

"It puts pressure on both sides. It puts pressure on me to perform, and it puts pressure on the organization to perform as well," said Bosh, who was speaking after he performed his paid duties as the celebrity drawmaster for Saturday's Woodbine Oaks horse race.

[DaDakota]

Tmac and Scola or Landry...either one....get r done Morey.

DD

[Francis3422]

DD,

Hard, So hard to part with Scola, but if it was him and McGrady for Bosh, I would as well.

However, I like McGrady and Landry.

[TheFreak]

Declaring that guys have 'reached their ceiling' after a handful of years or less in the league is one of the more annoying themes around here. It's particularly fashionable to do so when a guy plays 4 years of college and then plays 2 years in the NBA; he's somehow 'reached his ceiling' just b/c he's older than a lot of other players.

[ChrisBosh]

Tmac and Scola or Landry...either one....get r done Morey.

DD


Problem is Toronto is not looking to trade him for a salary dump, they are not thinking about the 2010 free agents, they need talent in return, so Scola by himself would not suffice.



Declaring that guys have 'reached their ceiling' after a handful of years or less in the league is one of the more annoying themes around here. It's particularly fashionable to do so when a guy plays 4 years of college and then plays 2 years in the NBA; he's somehow 'reached his ceiling' just b/c he's older than a lot of other players.


To name Bosh's strengths:

- above average to great mid-court jump shot
- ability to get to the rim
- quickness
- a very good athlete for his size
- rebounds ball very well

weaknesses:

- no post moves
- no defense
- lacks strength
- has difficulty with double teams
- struggles in crunch time

In the time he has been in the league he has shown very little promise in the areas of weaknesses. Its rare to see big improvements after 6 years in the league. So I guess its safe to say he's not going to either.....

[KingLeoric]

Local paper says Bosh has no intention signing an extension contract with the Raptors.

[apollo33]

Problem is Toronto is not looking to trade him for a salary dump, they are not thinking about the 2010 free agents, they need talent in return, so Scola by himself would not suffice.





To name Bosh's strengths:

- above average to great mid-court jump shot
- ability to get to the rim
- quickness
- a very good athlete for his size
- rebounds ball very well

weaknesses:

- no post moves
- no defense
- lacks strength
- has difficulty with double teams
- struggles in crunch time

In the time he has been in the league he has shown very little promise in the areas of weaknesses. Its rare to see big improvements after 6 years in the league. So I guess its safe to say he's not going to either.....


really disappointed with him this season. hes no longer as agressive and attacking the rim as before. his jump shot has gotten better, but for him to rely on that is a big disaster for the raps. IMO he has absolutely no consistent low post moves due his his size, and he's losinghis high post moves too due to his reliance on the stupid jump shots.

IMO the bosh right now pretty dam overated

[TeamUSA]

Tmac for Bosh straight up

[A_3PO]

really disappointed with him this season. hes no longer as agressive and attacking the rim as before. his jump shot has gotten better, but for him to rely on that is a big disaster for the raps. IMO he has absolutely no consistent low post moves due his his size, and he's losinghis high post moves too due to his reliance on the stupid jump shots.

IMO the bosh right now pretty dam overated
Bosh started the season like a monster, but it seemed like he lost motivation after it became clear the Raptors would be also-rans again this year. I think he could be refreshed by a move and improve himself. All-Stars like him don't grow on trees. Pair him with a dynamic perimeter player and you have the foundation for a championship team. People ragged on Pau for many years too. He and Bosh are similar in that they are fantastic 2nd fiddles as opposed to being feature players.

[Sajan]

stephen a. smith doesnt report. he just yells stupid statements and repeats them til they cut away from him. He feels he has to speak so loud cuz everyone's realized he's an idiot and tunes him out.

this made me LOL. :D

[BrooksBall]

Bosh started the season like a monster, but it seemed like he lost motivation after it became clear the Raptors would be also-rans again this year. I think he could be refreshed by a move and improve himself. All-Stars like him don't grow on trees. Pair him with a dynamic perimeter player and you have the foundation for a championship team. People ragged on Pau for many years too. He and Bosh are similar in that they are fantastic 2nd fiddles as opposed to being feature players.

Nice post. I agree with everything you said. Bosh is a rare talent with a lot of tools. Whoever lands him won't likely regret it.

[Franchise3]

To name Bosh's strengths:

- above average to great mid-court jump shot

:eek:

[SamFisher]

Bargnani has a higher ceiling than this guy.

I don't know why Raptor fans say this - my expertise is limited, but Bargnani is a 7 foot guy who doesn't rebound and doesn't have an inside game, and is a decent yet unspectacular shooter from mid/long distance - sorry but how high is is his ceiling? I see Memo Okur at most.....MAYBE.

I definitely don't see a 20-10 guy, which is what Bosh actually is.

Again I don't watch them so I could be wrong, just wondering why people woudl think that.

[NateNate]

:eek:
lol lol

[tomjc]

that's cuz you don't know that their GM is going to start POPS aka BIG DADDY, if you sift through his comments, that's probably what will happen

[tomjc]

oh an in my HUMBLE opinion, raptors probably will trade bargs too, AND parker, the only thing you'll see safe in that roster is Calderon, mark my words

[nolimitnp]

To name Bosh's strengths:

- above average to great mid-court jump shot


Just what we need, another McGrady to pull up for mid-court jumpshots completely out of the flow of the offense. lol

[ChrisBosh]

I don't know why Raptor fans say this - my expertise is limited, but Bargnani is a 7 foot guy who doesn't rebound and doesn't have an inside game, and is a decent yet unspectacular shooter from mid/long distance - sorry but how high is is his ceiling? I see Memo Okur at most.....MAYBE.

I definitely don't see a 20-10 guy, which is what Bosh actually is.

Again I don't watch them so I could be wrong, just wondering why people woudl think that.


The rebounding question will always be there with the guy, he might stick to the 5-7 rebs per game.

Its the other parts of his game that make you think about his future potential. If you look at his game after Sam Mitchell got let go you'll see he's no Okur. Before then he was very inconsistent, and like you, many would have been happy if he reached Okur's status. But not now, he's shown flashes of being more than that, players like Okur don't do what he has shown(Even before Mitchell left he showed flashes but it was REALLY rare). It's based on this that fans think he has a higher ceiling than Bosh. Bargs already plays better D than the guy.

Franchise3 you know and I know that I meant mid-range. :o


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[WeMissDekeMan]

Who cares, he's a soft loser who can't make it to the playoffs without T.J Ford. Not to mention this guy is a complete hypocrite. He says Shaq cheats for 45 points, when Dwight Howard did the same thing to him in the 08 playoffs and all he did was praise him.

Bosh is a loser, I hope he never gets past the 1st round like Tracy.

[peleincubus]

i want to hear more about his mid-court jump shot game.

[BrooksBall]

Bargnani does have a special skillset. He seems to have some Dirk attributes as well as some Okur attributes. Maybe even some Gasol attributes when you factor in the court vision and passing. The only problem is that he still plays a Euro style big man game in the NBA. He'll need to continue developing in a few areas but at 23-years-old, there is plenty of time. He seems like a player that could sort of come back from the dead and become very special. I suggested a trade for him earlier in the year in the Trade Rumors thread then somebody wisely pointed out his weaknesses. I guess you have to be a team willing to take some risk and have a long-term outlook on contending if you want to make him a building block.

By the way, that crossover he pulled on Scola in that clip above was sick. His stroke does remind me a lot of Dirk's. He definitely shoots well from mid-range and outside but he needs to develop his post game a little bit. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to see him getting to Gasol's level closer to the basket eventually if he puts the work in. The talent is definitely there. In an absolute best case scenario, I could see him become Dirk-like as a shooter, Okur-like defensively (just in the sense of being willing to play physical and body up people) and Gasol-like closer to the basket and in terms of passing the ball. As a shotblocker, he should be better than all of these guys. I'm not saying he has the potential to be better than Dirk, Gasol and Okur, just that he seems to possess some of their same skills to various degrees. Overall, he's a nice player and I wouldn't be disappointed if he landed in Houston at some point.

[leebigez]

Tmac and Scola or Landry...either one....get r done Morey.

DD

could we also land marion in a sign and trade at 7m per 4 yrs to complete the deal?

[pmac]

Wait, by "higher ceiling" people mean Bargnani has more room to grow, right? Surely you can't mean that he'll ever be better than Bosh.

[rocketteen]

Calderon is the one I would prefer and I bet the Rockets would as well.

It's too bad that Brian Colangelo most likely won't ever give him up. He discovered him and chunked the deuce to Ford last year, so if Calderon was traded, they'd have to have something very good in return.

Here's hoping that Colangelo is an Aaron Brooks fan. ;)

[Dave_78]

Wait, by "higher ceiling" people mean Bargnani has more room to grow, right? Surely you can't mean that he'll ever be better than Bosh.

The home he purchased in Toronto actually has 12 foot ceilings while Bosh's home (according to HAR.com) has 10 foot ceilings. That has to be what they mean from what I have seen of the two players. :D

[TheFreak]

Wait, by "higher ceiling" people mean Bargnani has more room to grow, right? Surely you can't mean that he'll ever be better than Bosh.

I think it's one of those cliches that people throw around and not really know what they mean. I may have to add it to my sig.

[blender]

Bosh would be nice but he's declined an extension on an approx. $15 million contract, so he's going to expect a big raise in 2010. So would it be worth losing Landry, McGrady, etc. for what will most likely be a one-year rental?

[CriscoKidd]

Problem is Toronto is not looking to trade him for a salary dump, they are not thinking about the 2010 free agents, they need talent in return, so Scola by himself would not suffice.




Problem for Toronto is that Bosh has all the leverage right now.

The raptors aren't likely to get much talent back unless Bosh agrees to it.

The question is, are the raptors willing to take back some talent + expirings for Bosh or risk losing him for nothing ala McGrady?

[Deckard]

Nice post. I agree with everything you said. Bosh is a rare talent with a lot of tools. Whoever lands him won't likely regret it.
I agree with A_3PO as well. The guy is a classic case of the outstanding player who's lost his passion, that needs a change in scenery and a winning team with a chance to contend for a title. Houston could be a perfect fit. Not sure exactly how we'd get him, but would love to if it didn't cost the farm.

[shaggylambda]

my annoyance was not directed at you in any way. sorry if it seemed that way. i just think SAS is the only exception where killing the messenger is OK :D

LOL. Agreed.

[SamFisher]

I'd probably give Yao for him straight up - he's a better fit for Houston with similar production. And he's younger and doesn't break his foot every year.

[Shroopy2]

The rebounding question will always be there with the guy, he might stick to the 5-7 rebs per game.

Its the other parts of his game that make you think about his future potential. If you look at his game after Sam Mitchell got let go you'll see he's no Okur. Before then he was very inconsistent, and like you, many would have been happy if he reached Okur's status. But not now, he's shown flashes of being more than that, players like Okur don't do what he has shown(Even before Mitchell left he showed flashes but it was REALLY rare). It's based on this that fans think he has a higher ceiling than Bosh. Bargs already plays better D than the guy.


So Bosh, Dirk-lite, Jermaine O'Neal, switching over to Shawn Marion, along with Jose Calderon, should be winning some games over there in the East. Fired Sam Mitchell and Chris Bosh is the constant, so can see how Bosh is getting some criticism for being overrated and reaching his ceiling.

So take Luis Scola and Carl Landry who havent reached their ceiling, along with proven winner Shane Battier for Bosh, and your problems are solved.

[ChrisBosh]

So Bosh, Dirk-lite, Jermaine O'Neal, switching over to Shawn Marion, along with Jose Calderon, should be winning some games over there in the East. Fired Sam Mitchell and Chris Bosh is the constant, so can see how Bosh is getting some criticism for being overrated and reaching his ceiling.

So take Luis Scola and Carl Landry who havent reached their ceiling, along with proven winner Shane Battier for Bosh, and your problems are solved.

I do have higher hopes for Bargnani than the average fan, I see something in him that most don't, I'm porbably wrong, but it's my opinion. It's like how we thought Spanoulis was going to have an impact on the Rockets, or like Roddrick Rhodes, players we valued more than their real worth.

LOL at the offer above. I might be very critical of Bosh, but I know what he's worth. How would you like Anthony Parker, Shawn Marion, and Joey Graham + 9th pick for Yao?



I think it's one of those cliches that people throw around and not really know what they mean. I may have to add it to my sig.


It's not rocket science we are discussing here :p .... When I said Bargs had a higher ceiling I mean't he had more room to grow than Bosh, who's abilities are somewhat limited. The things Bargs can do is not common in the NBA for 7 footers, I find it hard to put a limit on a guy like that (he can pull up for jumpers, he can dribble past his defender, he can make plays while attacking the rim, he can shoot the 3, he';s got a soft touch in the post, what else is there?).

Can he be better than Bosh? It's very difficult to say yes, since Bargs hasn't shown much until this last half of the season. But again as I wrote above, I have a bias opinion about this guy, I love the things he can do, maybe its the reason why I don't notice his limitations.... .............. He's not great at any one thing, its probably why others don't see much in his future. At one point everyone thought of Nowitzki the same way. But he worked his butt off to prove people wrong. So there is a chance.

[ChrisBosh]

http://sportsradiointerviews.com/2009/06/19/bryan-colangelo-re-bosh-its-not-time-to-panic/

Toronto Hoping To Sign-And-Trade Bosh

Toronto general manager Bryan Colangelo feels as though the team's best course of action is to sign-and-trade Chris Bosh.

Bosh will become an unrestricted free agent after the 2009-10 season, which puts the Raptors in a difficult spot.

"We'll have the discussion, we'll talk about the pros and the cons, he'll most likely not sign it, and then we'll get in to next season, we'll figure out where we are," Colangelo said in an interview with The Fan 590 in Toronto.

"In respect to the situation for him, there will be a handful of teams next year - I'm guessing between five and ten - which will have maximum allowable free agent money, which means Chris is subject to walk to one of those deals. But, I have to reiterate the point that keeps being overlooked - we're the only team that can offer him a full six years versus five years, 10.5% increases versus 8% increases ... Basically equates to a $30 million dollar difference. So, even if he wants to leave, he's still better served, and we're better served if he works a sign-and-trade with us where we can get some sort of an asset back from the team that he's going to. And, I think that's probably the thing that we'll both push for because he'll benefit from it and we'll benefit from it, and that's why it's probably not time to panic now and make a bad deal."







Too many signs that Bosh isn't going to be in Toronto for long......