Dynamo: Say your prayers.

[Fatty FatBastard]

Awesome write up in the Press this week.

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/ballz/2009/03/the_great_american_soccer_boom.php

The Great American Soccer Boom: Not Gonna Happen
By John Royal in The Other FootTuesday, Mar. 10 2009 @ 9:26AM
Photo by faeryboots

Last week, I wrote a post about the Rockets lowering ticket prices, and I made a comment about the Dynamo playing in a minor league. And that is a comment that I stand by, though several of you got upset. And the responses that I got were the same as I always get: soccer is the most popular sport in the world and that the sport and the MLS are growing inside of the United States.

And I'm really sick of hearing these responses. Because I've been hearing this crap since I was kid way back in the 70s.


For a major league, like the MLS is supposed to be, it gets about the same publicity as a minor league. It's got no national TV contract with one of the broadcast networks, nor does it have any national radio network. Hockey, which is primarily a regional sport, has a major league, the NHL, which has teams throughout the United States and the Canada and is supposedly dying. Yet it has a national game of the week on a major broadcast network every Sunday afternoon. And when the NHL playoffs start, there will also be games broadcast on NBC.

The MLS, which is the league of the Houston Dynamo, used to have a national game of the week on ESPN 2. But the ratings were so anemic, so microscopic, that ESPN dumped the Game of the Week concept and now just uses the MLS the way Ted Turner used to use the Atlanta Braves for TBS; when it needs something to fill programming, it sticks in the MLS. That's not exactly the way a booming, national, and major sport is supposed to be treated.

And could anybody see a team in MLB or the NFL or the NBA or even the NHL being owned by the same company that owns another team in the league? But this is a common occurrence in MLS. The group that owns the Dynamo also owns the Los Angeles Galaxy and Hunt Sports owns the teams in Columbus and Dallas. Now that's rather common in minor league sports, but it's not exactly major league - this couldn't happen in the major leagues now because of that whole conflict of interest thing.

So tell me. Just when exactly is this soccer boom ever going to occur? Like I said, I've been waiting since I was a kid going out to the Astrodome to watch the Houston Hurricane of the NASL - a professional soccer league that had a national broadcast TV contract with ABC and in which the best of the sport wanted to play and weren't busy trying to escape from. - and they were playing before bigger crowds than the Dynamo.

Millions of children were playing soccer in the 70s, and they were all going to drag their parents to the professional games. But that never happened. And you can tell this to me now, all over again, but it still ain't happening. So please stop feeding me this same line of bull over and over again.

Soccer, or football as billions refer to it, might be the most popular sport in the world. But it's not here in the States. And despite the best efforts of U.S. soccer fans over the past 30 some odd years, it's nowhere close to being a major U.S. sport. And it probably never will be. So just count me in with Dan Rydell. I'm tired of people telling me I don't understand soccer and that it's the world's most popular sport. This isn't the rest of the world. This is the United States. And here, it's just a minor league sport with a niche audience.

If the Houston Dynamo ever get off the digital channels, and if the MLS ever gets on a broadcast network with the real major league sports in the country, and if the MLS teams can ever draw legit crowds for actual games against other MLS teams that don't involve David Beckham, then I might be willing to listen to you talk about the great so-called soccer boom. But until that time comes, please, just give it a rest. I've been listening to this for over 30 years, and I'm really rather tired of it.

[Artesticle]

Letting the liberals make them change their name from the proud, historic Houston 1836 sealed their fate.

[pgsxdjp]

Pretty depressing article for a Dynamo fan like myself. But I must say, I does make a valid argument. Probably on point...

[texanskan]

I'm not a big fan of the other football but I try to pay attention and have gotten into it a little over the years.

Problem #1 they don't play the traditional season from fall to spring

this causes two problems

a.The MLS playoffs compete against the NFL and NCAA D-1 football
b.During this last international tournament the MLS team (Dynamo) was in training camp vs the Mexican team that was in full stride

If they want to be legit than they need their top teams to start beating top clubs from established leagues

Problem #2

There is not enough money here to bring the top players

i.e the NBA attracts all the top stars and has enough money to retain most of them

I think the MLS is doing things the right way as far as growing it but I don't understand why they play when they play it's colder in the UK than in New York, Toronto and most of the MLS cities

[conquistador#11]

I find this article to be misleading, threatning, and full of anti-futbol propaganda.

Yes, the MLS might suck, but soccer will still draw the biggest crowds in the U.S.
What the writer forgets to mention is the power of the latin american community, who can fill 90,000 seats just to watch mexico and el salvador play a friendly match.

Last time I checked, Univision and telemundo are based here in the U.S., and the ratings are off the charts.

[texanskan]

I find this article to be misleading, threatning, and full of anti-futbol propaganda.

Yes, the MLS might suck, but soccer will still draw the biggest crowds in the U.S.
What the writer forgets to mention is the power of the latin american community, who can fill 90,000 seats just to watch mexico and el salvador play a friendly match.

Last time I checked, Univision and telemundo are based here in the U.S., and the ratings are off the charts.

not to mention the goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooollllllllllllllllll

calls are great

[pgsxdjp]

True, the latin american community can fill seats here watching Mexico vs. El Salvador and even Mexico vs. USA. But as a whole what does that do for AMERICAN soccer. We have to build from the inside, and that's where the MLS should come into play.

I also find it very annoying that we don't follow a more traditional season. Sure scheduling, etc. would (and is) quite a task, but I think this does hurt the MLS overall. I'm also mad the Dynamo lost to Atlante...

[Cannonball]

Letting the Mexicans make them change their name from the proud, historic Houston 1836 sealed their fate.

Fixed.

Seriously, they're the ones who were offended because they lost the Texas War of Independence. But the Dynamo won 2 championships under the name Dynamo so I'd hardly say it was a bad omen.

[DrLudicrous]

Pretty depressing article for a Dynamo fan like myself. But I must say, I does make a valid argument. Probably on point...

I don't find it very depressing.

As has been pointed out his overall premise is that soccer will never be popular, but he only uses MLS as an example. He chooses to ignore national teams and the European teams that have a huge amount of support here. And anybody that looks at MLS in a realistic fashion knows the situation (both the good and the bad). The author chooses to focus on the negative to try to support his opinion, but has done little research and gets many facts wrong.

The people that dislike soccer already will read the article and think it the greatest thing ever written, but in the grand scheme of things their opinion doesn't really matter since they were always going to hate soccer for whatever reason. The people that already like soccer will see through his flimsy arguments and disregard the article.

Personally, I don't need other people to agree with me to justify my opinion of soccer. I enjoy it and that's all that really matters to me.

[dumbartonbass]

Why do you really care? Entering their fourth season, the Dynamo can probably write you off as a potential fan. Oh, well feel free to ignore the 30,000+ that show up for playoff games and the ~20,000 that arrive for every home game that's not in the sweltering day games during the summer. Why are the Dynamo the only team that people make threads to hate on? I personally don't enjoy baseball, but I don't start threads decrying the sport and the fact that the game was tainted horribly during the past ten years by steroids years and that most of the players could never keep up in an athletic competition with a soccer player.

Yes, the games on ESPN were poor. But that's because some of the markets are a lot worse than others. We're lucky that Houston is one of the strongest markets for soccer in the country. Channel 11 has entered into a deal with the Dynamo to broadcast their games on 11.2. You're probably saying "But that's only 11.2! What about 11.1?!" The switch to digital has made that irrelevant. Multiple channels are now the new norm and the Dynamo are lucky to have a committed local backer in the media. Why is KHOU even interested? Because the Orange have grown exponentially in support since they arrived and are about to gain more support with our new stadium downtown for this "fad" that you love to downplay.

Multiple ownership of teams was required for the league to survive in its initial days. However, most of the teams have been moving away from that and are profitable with the construction of their own stadiums.

Look at some of the new soccer-specific-stadiums that have been built, especially Red Bull Arena that's currently under construction:

http://rbbr.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/redbull-aerial-people_copyright_sm1.jpg
http://www.aon.at/StaticFiles/aon/Themen/News/Sport/EURO2008/Diashows/Bilder_Salzburg/Salzburg_Rasen10.jpg

http://msn.foxsports.com/id/6044842_7_3.jpg
Home Depot Center, Carson, CA

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2007/04/05/mls-preview-med.jpg
Dick's Sporting Goods Park, Denver, CO

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/BMO_Field_Toronto_2007.jpg/800px-BMO_Field_Toronto_2007.jpg
BMO Field, Toronto, ON

And those are just a few. Over 32,000 tickets have been sold in Seattle at Qwest Field, home of the Seahawks, for their first game this year. 20,000+ of those are season tickets. Cities like Portland and Vancouver are clamoring to get into MLS. FC Barcelona was trying desperately to get a team in Miami before the recent economic crisis. Now, why would a team like FC Barcelona, who has worldwide legions of support, want to get into MLS like Chivas de Guadalajara? Because there's growth here and it's a shame that you're too blind to see it.

So yes, I get it. You don't like soccer. A lot of people don't. But a whole lot more do. If you gave the Dynamo a chance, you'd realize it's the most fan-friendly experience in Houston where you're not charged to death on tickets and a great, passionate game experience. The players are more accessible than any other league. Two of our players are on the US Mens National team, which just dominated Mexico in Columbus to record television ratings.

[Astro101]

Eh, you know, I don't care any more if soccer takes off here anymore. I used to so I could watch more of it on tv, but with soccer channels and the internet, I can pretty much all the soccer I want. UEFA baby!

[Joe Joe]

But a whole lot more do.

Not in the US.

I think soccer is slowly growing. I don't think there will ever be a great soccer "boom". I think you'll just see steady growth as more people that played soccer as kids raise their kids to be soccer players. I don't think it will ever rival football's popularity in the US, but it could pass MLB in a generartion or two and maybe even still some of the NBA's thunder.

[Smokey]

I don't care but when it's my tax dollars I do care. No new stadium for the Dynamo - a minor league franchise. What's next, the Aeros want their own arena? If the Dynamo want it, they can build it.

[dumbartonbass]

I don't care but when it's my tax dollars I do care. No new stadium for the Dynamo - a minor league franchise. What's next, the Aeros want their own arena? If the Dynamo want it, they can build it.

Please do some research in the thread dedicated to the Dynamo stadium. I don't feel like explaining the partnership with TSU, TIRZ money, the fact that they are paying for the majority of it (which can't be said for the Astros, Texans, or Rockets), and that it will help a blighted part of town that I happen to have been born and raised in.

And Joe Joe, soccer isn't more popular here, true. However, World Cup ratings in 2006 were huge. They will likely be larger in 2010 with more games on good ol' ABC. If the US Mens National Team does well, interest will rise in the MLS.

[Rashmon]

Houston has a professional soccer team?

[Fatty FatBastard]

The Stadium will be incredibly difficult to sell out. I mean the fan base is primarily Mexican.

http://media.funlol.com/content/img/stadium-built-poorly.jpg

[MadMax]

I don't think it will ever rival football's popularity in the US, but it could pass MLB in a generartion or two and maybe even still some of the NBA's thunder.

it amazes me how much people underestimate the popularity (particularly as measured in revenues) of MLB in the US.

[dskillz]

I don't care but when it's my tax dollars I do care. No new stadium for the Dynamo - a minor league franchise. What's next, the Aeros want their own arena? If the Dynamo want it, they can build it.


With the jobs and peripheral businesses that will open near the stadium, you can say that the stadium will more than pay for itself pretty fast actually. Putting something nice in that part of town is a huge positive in my book as well. Can't look at everything in the short-term.

About soccer itself, in the US it will always be a niche/minor league sport. Doesn't really diminish any enjoyment fans get from it though. I do think that anyone expecting a huge boom for soccer would be disappointed, but that was never realistic. I think that it is about where it will end up. A loyal fanbase, 3 cable channels (that I know of), increased attendance for national team matches. Nothing wrong with that.

Anyone bashing the MLS for what it is has the problem, not the MLS.

[DieHard Rocket]

it amazes me how much people underestimate the popularity (particularly as measured in revenues) of MLB in the US.

Yeah, I'm just going off the top of my head but I thought that MLB was more successful than the NBA financially. I could be wrong, but that's what I've thought for a while.

[MadMax]

Yeah, I'm just going off the top of my head but I thought that MLB was more successful than the NBA financially. I could be wrong, but that's what I've thought for a while.

A few years back everyone said that no one would ever match NFL revenues. MLB essentially did that in 2007 season. They're in excess of $6 billion for both MLB and NFL. NBA revenues are around $4 billion.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/25/commentary/sportsbiz/index.htm

Major League Baseball's sales will surpass $6 billion for the first time this year, double the amount from 2000, and putting the sport closer to passing the NFL.
A weekly column by Chris Isidore, CNNMoney.com senior writer
October 25 2007: 5:17 PM EDT


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- When it comes to sales, the National Football League used to dwarf Major League Baseball the way a defensive lineman towers over a batboy.

Not any longer. Baseball will finish this year with just over $6 billion in revenue, according to Bob DuPuy, Major League Baseball's president and chief operating officer.

To put that into context, that puts baseball right on the heels of the more than $6 billion in revenue reported by the National Football League in 2006.

[DrLudicrous]

I don't care but when it's my tax dollars I do care. No new stadium for the Dynamo - a minor league franchise.

Unless you own land within a few blocks of the proposed site you won't be paying anything towards the building of the stadium.

Regarding MLS's ranking among sports leagues in the US, it will be a very long time before it can challenge any of the big three leagues, if it ever does. Even the NHL at this point generates about twice as much revenue as MLS. But the league has shown that it's viable and can survive in this country.

[DrLudicrous]

The Stadium will be incredibly difficult to sell out. I mean the fan base is primarily Mexican.


I'd like to know how you came to that conclusion. There's a huge number of Hispanic fans that currently go to Dynamo games.

Of course who needs facts when you have stereotypes to go on. :rolleyes:

[Wakko67]

I'd like to know how you came to that conclusion. There's a huge number of Hispanic fans that currently go to Dynamo games.

Of course who needs facts when you have stereotypes to go on. :rolleyes:

Facts are irrelevant to the ignorant.

[Joe Joe]

it amazes me how much people underestimate the popularity (particularly as measured in revenues) of MLB in the US.

I don't measure popularity in revenues. Which games attract more people? Which games have more people watching? Baseball large revenues is based more on number of games than on people watching a particular game.

Granted I'm surprised that baseball's total revenues are so high. I would guess that a disproportionate amount of the revenues are from NY and Boston because I see a lot of empty seats in other stadiums in which baseball is actually played.

[Naija Texan]

I don't get this article.

Maybe because I am pretty new to all this, really just enjoying soccer after watching soccer after seeing a few Dynamo games, but hasn't the MLS been around for about a decade now? Given that fact and the truth being that soccer is getting more and more respect (thanks in large part to immigrants both from south of the border and other parts of the world) over the past couple of years, why would the increase of ticket prices for the three major leagues doesn't mean that the Dynamo or the MLS in general are in major trouble. Soccer isn't popular in the US, but it has its fans and the only real competition for MLS is international soccer leagues, which MLS teams will occasionally play anyway.

The fact is the Dynamo play games at a college stadium and their ticket prices aren't that high to begin with. I doubt that the bad economy will really effect the real faithful fans of MLS teams in most areas, as it isn't as if the ticket prices will jump to something unreasonable like that fans will have to pay at the new stadiums of the New York or Dallas NFL teams are sure to 'enjoy' next season. The Dynamo hopefully will have their stadium soon, but it probably still won't cost as much as it does for a good seat, in other sporting events. Soccer may never become the third most popular sport in the NA, but I think it is a lot more respected now, then it was 10 years ago and if the progress continues, it will probably eclipse the likes of the NHL and most Arena football organizations with 5 or 6 years.

[SWTsig]

it amazes me how much people underestimate the popularity (particularly as measured in revenues) of MLB in the US.

baseball is a part of the american fabric. period.

i consider myself a decent soccer fan, but it will NEVER overtake baseball in popularity in this country.

[shastarocket]

I'd like to know how you came to that conclusion. There's a huge number of Hispanic fans that currently go to Dynamo games.

Of course who needs facts when you have stereotypes to go on. :rolleyes:

I know its FFB, and it may be hard to pick up at times, but the post was obviously sarcastic.

[MadMax]

I don't measure popularity in revenues. Which games attract more people? Which games have more people watching? Baseball large revenues is based more on number of games than on people watching a particular game.

Granted I'm surprised that baseball's total revenues are so high. I would guess that a disproportionate amount of the revenues are from NY and Boston because I see a lot of empty seats in other stadiums in which baseball is actually played.

Put the numbers up. Pick whatever measure you want. Look at TV ratings for championship series and compare it to NBA or the rest.

Baseball attendance has never been higher than it's been in the last 5 years or so. Your Houston Astros draw around 3 million fans per season, averaging around 37,000 fans/game.

The number of games thing works both ways....it reduces the sense of premium on any one game's ticket.

But look, with revenues around $6 billion, the game ain't losing popularity. That's only said on basketball internet forums based on antecdotal stuff...or their own feelings about the game.

[Smokey]

Please do some research in the thread dedicated to the Dynamo stadium. I don't feel like explaining the partnership with TSU, TIRZ money, the fact that they are paying for the majority of it (which can't be said for the Astros, Texans, or Rockets), and that it will help a blighted part of town that I happen to have been born and raised in.

TSU? Please that was a publicity stunt that everyone saw through. TSU can't even afford to pay their electricity bill.

[dumbartonbass]

TSU? Please that was a publicity stunt that everyone saw through. TSU can't even afford to pay their electricity bill.

Too bad the stadium will be mixed-use for soccer and football with TSU as the co-tenant for football. How about you research the specifics of the stadium deal before responding.

TSU gave the Dynamo the political clout that was needed to get the deal done. I'm not saying that they have any money to pay for it, but money alone can't get things done in city politics.

[WhoMikeJames]

The amount of fútbol hate in this thread amazes me.

The MLS is doing fine, and will be fine. There are a lot more fans than the haters think. Games get sold out all the time. Who cares about TV ratings. The reason they are so low is because all the true fans are at the games.

I agree on the Mexican thing though. USA vs Mexico at Reliant is 95% Mexican.

Soccer isn't dead in the States. Your bring the World Cup back here, you will get the same numbers as you did in 94.

"The average attendance for the tournament was 69,000 while the total attendance was 3.6 million. The 1994 World Cup holds the record for the highest attendance in World Cup history. It was also the highest-attended single sport event in United States history."

[FrancisFan3]

You know the article is from the Houston Press not the Chronicle. The Houston Press regularly bashes and criticizes all of the local pro sports teams (Texans, Astros, Rockets, Dynamo, & Aeros) when they are struggling or on a losing streak then when they start winning big game after big game, they start jumping on the bandwagon so don't get too bothered by it. Chron > Press.

[fredred]

it amazes me how much people underestimate the popularity (particularly as measured in revenues) of MLB in the US.
I think MLB is easy to overestimate when it comes to revenue because of the 162 game season skews everything. If the Dynamo had 81 home games and 6 months of season, that would increase their revenue astronomically.

[leroy420]

You know the article is from the Houston Press not the Chronicle. The Houston Press regularly bashes and criticizes all of the local pro sports teams (Texans, Astros, Rockets, Dynamo, & Aeros) when they are struggling or on a losing streak then when they start winning big game after big game, they start jumping on the bandwagon so don't get too bothered by it. Chron > Press.

But when did the Dynamo have a bad streak? Just because they didn't 3-peat? I get what you're saying, though. I think it was still a little out of bounds by the Press.

I still miss Public News.

[halfbreed]

HEY I DON'T LIKE SOCCER!!! LOOK AT ME!!!!



If you're going to try to get me to care about an article, try one where the author actually knows something about what they are writing about.


Average Dynamo attendance in 2008: 16,939 (Reg Season)
Dynamo Playoff Attendance in 2008: 30,530
Average Rockets Attendance in 2008: 17,524 (best ever for Rockets)

So the NBA team in Houston averages around 600 more per game than the MLS team in the regular season. Yeah, the soccer team is in serious trouble.

Oh, and despite Fatty's racist overtones in this thread, that's paid attendance by both Anglos and Latinos.

[Ronny]

The whole marketing aspect is irrelevant - you're not going to get a huge audience in America if you don't have the best players in the world. Not to mention MLS soccer is dull, slow and the players lack vision and flair. You have a few players who can dribble well but the long passes are shoddy and there is little to no creativity. The overall flow of the game is discombobulated due to these shortcomings -- why would people want to see this, even those new to the sport?

At the end of the day it's a poor product and personally I'd rather pay US $100 to watch a game at Emirates stadium (in London) then go to a Dynamo game for free.

[Naija Texan]

But when did the Dynamo have a bad streak? Just because they didn't 3-peat? I get what you're saying, though. I think it was still a little out of bounds by the Press.

I still miss Public News.

You can't really call it a streak since some of them have been international tournament matches, but unfortunately, outside of a few earlier preseason games, the Dynamo haven't won for a few weeks, although they have mainly just been getting draws other then that one really bad loss. :(

[Kam]

Oh, and despite Fatty's racist overtones in this thread, that's paid attendance by both Anglos and Latinos.



and Asian Folx.

[halfbreed]

and Asian Folx.

True. Instead, I should have said it included everyone.

[MadMax]

I think MLB is easy to overestimate when it comes to revenue because of the 162 game season skews everything. If the Dynamo had 81 home games and 6 months of season, that would increase their revenue astronomically.

i'll say it again...if you have 81 home games....and you're drawing 37,000/event to 81 events....you're pretty damn significant.

$6 billion. Record revenues. Right up there with the NFL, which has been in its own stratosphere. Record attendance numbers for years and years in a row.

baseball's fine.

[Fatty FatBastard]

HEY I DON'T LIKE SOCCER!!! LOOK AT ME!!!!



If you're going to try to get me to care about an article, try one where the author actually knows something about what they are writing about.


Average Dynamo attendance in 2008: 16,939 (Reg Season)
Dynamo Playoff Attendance in 2008: 30,530
Average Rockets Attendance in 2008: 17,524 (best ever for Rockets)

So the NBA team in Houston averages around 600 more per game than the MLS team in the regular season. Yeah, the soccer team is in serious trouble.

Oh, and despite Fatty's racist overtones in this thread, that's paid attendance by both Anglos and Latinos.

How much total attendance for the Dynamo? Got any TV ratings data to support this?

And quit whining and taking it personally. It isn't my fault that your favorite sport sucks.

[DrLudicrous]

The whole marketing aspect is irrelevant - you're not going to get a huge audience in America if you don't have the best players in the world. Not to mention MLS soccer is dull, slow and the players lack vision and flair. You have a few players who can dribble well but the long passes are shoddy and there is little to no creativity. The overall flow of the game is discombobulated due to these shortcomings -- why would people want to see this, even those new to the sport?

At the end of the day it's a poor product and personally I'd rather pay US $100 to watch a game at Emirates stadium (in London) then go to a Dynamo game for free.

People would want to see it because A) It's their hometown team B) The game here won't grow without support and C) Watching a game live is far superior to watching a game on TV.

If I'm ever in Barcelona I'll make it a point to catch a game at the Camp Nou, but the number of times that going to happen in my life is pretty small. As it is I can make it to 20+ Dynamo games a year and support my local team and soccer in America. Plus, my loyalty isn't based on performance, if the Rockets have a losing season I'm not going to become a Lakers fan. The Texans have pretty much sucked their entire existence but you'll never see me rooting for the Cowboys.

And I'd much rather pay $20 to see the Dynamo play live than to sit and watch a game for free on TV.

[DrLudicrous]

The Idiocy of Sports Nationalism (http://www.spectator.co.uk/alexmassie/3436431/the-idiocy-of-sports-nationalism.thtml)

All of which is to make a simple point and ask for a tiny merc: could hacks on either side of the Atlantic think twice before indulging in infantile, cliched, witless, tedious "critiques" of the sports enjoyed on the other side of the ocean. Is it really too much to ask that you try and learn something about a sport before dismissing it completely?

[leroy420]

How much total attendance for the Dynamo? Got any TV ratings data to support this?

And quit whining and taking it personally. It isn't my fault that your favorite sport sucks.

Total attendance is going to be lower than the Rockets because they play 1/2 the home games, genius.

The only thing worse than rookies in the GARM on this bbs is soccer trolls. You don't like the game, fine. I really couldn't care less. But why is it necessary for you (and by "you" I mean all of the soccer haters here) to come into every thread and make stupid comments as if Jim Rome is writing your shtick? Then again, you are the CF resident attention whore, so I guess this isn't totally unexpected.

[Fatty FatBastard]

Total attendance is going to be lower than the Rockets because they play 1/2 the home games, genius.

The only thing worse than rookies in the GARM on this bbs is soccer trolls. You don't like the game, fine. I really couldn't care less. But why is it necessary for you (and by "you" I mean all of the soccer haters here) to come into every thread and make stupid comments as if Jim Rome is writing your shtick? Then again, you are the CF resident attention whore, so I guess this isn't totally unexpected.

The fact that my musings are more interesting than most doesn't make me an attention whore. Sorry I pissed in your cheerios.

[wakkoman]

The fact that my musings are more interesting than most doesn't make me an attention whore. Sorry I pissed in your cheerios.

We're laughing at you. Not with you.

[Fatty FatBastard]

We're laughing at you. Not with you.

I love it when nerds get jealous of people.

[wakkoman]

I love it when nerds get jealous of people.

Yeah, because I'm sooo jealous of a Fat, losing alcoholic...

Enjoy laying in your fetal position tonight while you suck on your thumb.

[Fatty FatBastard]

Yeah, because I'm sooo jealous of a Fat, losing alcoholic...

Enjoy laying in your fetal position tonight while you suck on your thumb.

Oh no! The same schtick again.

I promise you that my life is just fine.

[halfbreed]

How much total attendance for the Dynamo? Got any TV ratings data to support this?

And quit whining and taking it personally. It isn't my fault that your favorite sport sucks.

I don't care if you like my favorite sport. In fact, I consider anything in which we differ a plus for me.

When your entire purpose in posting a thread is to troll and make comments about certain races of people, it reflects more on you than on anyone responding.

It's this version of Fatty that makes all the Fatty-bashing threads so great. You create threads like this to troll and then cry like a 5-year-old girl when someone calls you on it in other threads.

[Fatty FatBastard]

I don't care if you like my favorite sport. In fact, I consider anything in which we differ a plus for me.

When your entire purpose in posting a thread is to troll and make comments about certain races of people, it reflects more on you than on anyone responding.

It's this version of Fatty that makes all the Fatty-bashing threads so great. You create threads like this to troll and then cry like a 5-year-old girl when someone calls you on it in other threads.

LOL. I have no idea what you're talking about, but obviously a few losers on this board take stuff way too seriously.

Why are you getting so riled up and personal if you don't care what I think? Quite puzzling...

[ima_drummer2k]

LOL...

[halfbreed]

LOL. I have no idea what you're talking about, but obviously a few losers on this board take stuff way too seriously.

Why are you getting so riled up and personal if you don't care what I think? Quite puzzling...

I'm not getting riled up. I posted facts in response to an article you posted.

[God's Son]

does any1 know if they already approved the new stadium, and where its gonna be?

i want to become a season ticket holder for the dynamo when new stadium rolls around

GO DYNAMO :D

[DrLudicrous]

does any1 know if they already approved the new stadium, and where its gonna be?

i want to become a season ticket holder for the dynamo when new stadium rolls around

GO DYNAMO :D

It's not a done deal yet, they're still working with Harris County on the deal. The proposed site is just east of downtown, near George R. Brown on the other side of 59.