Texans match offer for David Anderson

[Khal80]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6293740.html

[desihooper]

Happy for DA, but that's a lot of money locked up in WRs (AJ, KW, AD, and DA), not to mention JJ. I hope the other areas of the team that need an upgrade (LB and Secondary) can still be addressed.

[RasaqBoi]

why do we sign scrubs

[Legend Killer]

Good news. I love DA. Dude works hard, catches everything, and is not afraid to go across the middle. Good #3 receiver.

[BmwM3]

why do we sign scrubs

He's very productive and we get to see the Conan string dance.

[kaleidosky]

sweet. it's really not a lot of money...not sure why you'd call it that. It's not much more than twice the league minimum?

I'll take that for a very solid fill-in, a strong sub, and good depth at the position in an offense where we'll be throwing a good amount

[rezdawg]

Good news. I love DA. Dude works hard, catches everything, and is not afraid to go across the middle. Good #3 receiver.

He'll be our #4.

1.5 million for a #4...We could easily get a replacement via the draft for half the price.

Oh well, I like him.

[kaleidosky]

He'll be our #4.

1.5 million for a #4...We could easily get a replacement via the draft for half the price.

Oh well, I like him.

It's not about percentages at this low value...it's about absolute cost. $750k in the grand scheme? Not that much. $750k to have a much more reliable guy than a late-round rookie? (see: Jacoby Jones if you're wondering about reliability of rookie WR's) Yeah, not that much

[Summer Song Giver]

I like the kid for all the reasons Legend Killer mentioned, I see no reason he could not split time depending on situations with Andre Davis in three wide receiver sets.

[yobod]

why do we sign scrubs


Because those "scrubs" are incredibly hard-working, productive, efficient players that help make the Texans offense so potent. If Andersen was such a scrub, why did the Broncos sign him to such a lucrative offer sheet? Other teams recognize a player who's willing to put in the necessary effort to become a successful receiver. Not every player on your team has to be a loud-mouthed, prima donna "superstar" in order to win football games. Just ask Cowboy fans.

[Nice Rollin]

scrub.....

[H-Town Info]

probably either Andre Davis gets cut or Jacoby gets traded for a draft pick now...

[BmwM3]

probably either Andre Davis gets cut or Jacoby gets traded for a draft pick now...

Most likely Jacoby gets traded.

[kaleidosky]

probably either Andre Davis gets cut or Jacoby gets traded for a draft pick now...

Not sure what we're paying Davis, but if it's anything remotely cheap, he shouldn't be cut.. relatively productive guy.

Please trade Jacoby for anything..

[H-Town Info]

Not sure what we're paying Davis, but if it's anything remotely cheap, he shouldn't be cut.. relatively productive guy.

Please trade Jacoby for anything..

He signed a 4 year deal for about 16-17 mil with like 6 or 7 mil signing bonus last season. Probably he won't be cut b/c of the salary cap hit with the signing bonus counting towards the cap instead of being spread out

[Raven Lunatic]

Anderson was making like $1 million last season. Now he'll be making $500k more than that. He's productive for his role and could be just what the doctor ordered if a guy like Walter gets injured (or, God forbid, Dre).

If people are really having to nitpick signings like this to find something to complain about with this team, maybe we're even better than I thought.

[kaleidosky]

Anderson was making like $1 million last season. Now he'll be making $500k more than that. He's productive for his role and could be just what the doctor ordered if a guy like Walter gets injured (or, God forbid, Dre).

If people are really having to nitpick signings like this to find something to complain about with this team, maybe we're even better than I thought.

seriously.. i am definitely better the OVER if it's 8 wins when i get to vegas in a couple of weeks..

[Naija Texan]

probably either Andre Davis gets cut or Jacoby gets traded for a draft pick now...

Unless Anderson's game takes a dramatic step up from last season I doubt we will be replacing Andre Davis with Anderson full time. Kid is a good WR but in the regular season, he still hasn't done much to stand out beyond the string dance.

[rezdawg]

I like Anderson because he's a tough dude who works hard and is reliable...but you cant possibly tell me that he isnt easily replaceable. He's not necessarily fast...he doesnt have great size. He works his butt off and catches balls. I like him a lot. And yes, the difference between 750K and 1.5 million isnt much, but its still something. Im not complaining about matching the offer at all...Im indifferent to it, but I dont think we are better off or worse off on the field as a result. I just think we lose a bit financially.

I was just looking at next years (2010) salary cap figures...Mario is going to count 16 million against the cap, lol, which is double the 2nd highest paid player (AJ at ~8).

We'll have to lock up Kevin Walter next season to keep our receiving corp in place.

[kaleidosky]

I like Anderson because he's a tough dude who works hard and is reliable...but you cant possibly tell me that he isnt easily replaceable. He's not necessarily fast...he doesnt have great size. He works his butt off and catches balls. I like him a lot. And yes, the difference between 750K and 1.5 million isnt much, but its still something. Im not complaining about matching the offer at all...Im indifferent to it, but I dont think we are better off or worse off on the field as a result. I just think we lose a bit financially.

I was just looking at next years (2010) salary cap figures...Mario is going to count 16 million against the cap, lol, which is double the 2nd highest paid player (AJ at ~8).

We'll have to lock up Kevin Walter next season to keep our receiving corp in place.

he's easily replaceable as a #4 WR, yes.

But should an injury occur, I much prefer him stepping in to question marks that you would find with your 750k that you'd spend otherwise. I don't want a rookie in that spot, nor do I want Jacoby..so I'm assuming a Free Agent. Looking at a short list, who would take 750k? Roydell Williams? Cedrick Wilson? Sam Hurd? Ashley Lelie? I guess I'd take those guys to replace Anderson if he had to be replaced, but I don't think we'd get him at the 750k pricetag you're suggesting he's replaceable for

[doboyz]

I was just looking at next years (2010) salary cap figures...Mario is going to count 16 million against the cap, lol, which is double the 2nd highest paid player (AJ at ~8).

I'm guessing next year will be an uncapped year.

[Win]

I think it's an excellent move. Not much off the bottom line for such a dependable player. Plus, it shows some willingness on the Texans behalf to build a real team and reward the players that have come thru for them in the past.

[redgoose]

I'm up for them spending the extra 750K instead of using a draft pick for the same position. Plus we know exactly what we're getting this way.

[surrender]

Found this while looking for his string dance on Youtube....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVPXvpx9phE&feature=related

[Fulgore]

I like Anderson because he's a tough dude who works hard and is reliable...but you cant possibly tell me that he isnt easily replaceable. He's not necessarily fast...he doesnt have great size. He works his butt off and catches balls. I like him a lot. And yes, the difference between 750K and 1.5 million isnt much, but its still something. Im not complaining about matching the offer at all...Im indifferent to it, but I dont think we are better off or worse off on the field as a result. I just think we lose a bit financially.

I was just looking at next years (2010) salary cap figures...Mario is going to count 16 million against the cap, lol, which is double the 2nd highest paid player (AJ at ~8).

We'll have to lock up Kevin Walter next season to keep our receiving corp in place.I have a feeling if Walter has a year like he did in 08 that someone is going to offer him a nice contract. I think he will test the market and get more than what the Texans will offer.He could be the #1 on a few teams in the league (Eagles, 49ers, Raiders, Titans, Jags and Bears)

[Naija Texan]

I was just looking at next years (2010) salary cap figures...Mario is going to count 16 million against the cap, lol, which is double the 2nd highest paid player (AJ at ~8).

We'll have to lock up Kevin Walter next season to keep our receiving corp in place.

Isn't 2010 the uncapped season? I hope so, that way we can lock up everyone that we really need.

[ROXRAN]

I'd take our top 4 receivers and TE over any other team's 4 receivers and TE.
...
Good signing. Once the defense gets better...Bad things for other teams.

[u851662]

....He could be the #1 on a few teams in the league (Eagles, 49ers, Raiders, Titans, Jags and Bears)

Uh... No.... Kevin Walter is what he is and thats an okay #2 receiver. However DA is like Wes Welker light, hence the reason the Broncos wanted him.... The Texans should take notes from the Pats on how to better utilize this guy.

[Naija Texan]

Uh... No.... Kevin Walter is what he is and thats an okay #2 receiver. However DA is like Wes Welker light, hence the reason the Broncos wanted him.... The Texans should take notes from the Pats on how to better utilize this guy.

DA isn't like Wes Welker light, he is more of a different brand of soda. Anderson doesn't have near Welker's speed, which is why Welker gets thrown the ball as much as he does. Anderson can make a good catch here and there but he has never shown anything close to being able to make that many yards after the initial catch.

[u851662]

DA isn't like Wes Welker light, he is more of a different brand of soda. Anderson doesn't have near Welker's speed, which is why Welker gets thrown the ball as much as he does. Anderson can make a good catch here and there but he has never shown anything close to being able to make that many yards after the initial catch.

Combine Numbers,

Wes Welker ran a 4.65 -40 - David Anderson ran a 4.57 -40

Wes Welker Combine numbers (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=58574&draftyear=2004&genpos=WR)

David Anderson Combine Numbers (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=14349&draftyear=2006&genpos=WR)

There speed and skills are almost identical, however the Pats know how to get the most out of there players, how to play to there talents. The Texans will try to get the ball to Andre on almost every possesion (and so they should he is a beast). However it just shows the two teams with a different philosphy. You better believe that Josh McDaniels sees the same thing in David Anderson as he saw in Wes Welker when he was the Pats - O.Coordinator.

Also it helped Wes Welker to get to play for a Team like the Patriots, they even have similar stories. Wes played for a sorry Dolphins squad and then got picked up (traded I think) to the Pats.

David Anderson first couple years was for a sorry Houston team, got signed to an offer sheet by the same person responsible for getting Welker to New England, only the Texans were smart enough to match it. You better believe this ordeal was a wake up call for Kubiak and richard smith.

[Naija Texan]

Combine Numbers,

Wes Welker ran a 4.65 -40 - David Anderson ran a 4.57 -40

Wes Welker Combine numbers (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=58574&draftyear=2004&genpos=WR)

David Anderson Combine Numbers (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=14349&draftyear=2006&genpos=WR)

There speed and skills are almost identical, however the Pats know how to get the most out of there players, how to play to there talents. The Texans will try to get the ball to Andre on almost every possesion (and so they should he is a beast). However it just shows the two teams with a different philosphy. You better believe that Josh McDaniels sees the same thing in David Anderson as he saw in Wes Welker when he was the Pats - O.Coordinator.

Also it helped Wes Welker to get to play for a Team like the Patriots, they even have similar stories. Wes played for a sorry Dolphins squad and then got picked up (traded I think) to the Pats.

David Anderson first couple years was for a sorry Houston team, got signed to an offer sheet by the same person responsible for getting Welker to New England, only the Texans were smart enough to match it. You better believe this ordeal was a wake up call for Kubiak and richard smith.


Combine and real game performances are two different things.

So far from what I have seen of Anderson trying kick returns and as a receiver, he has yet to show me anything beyond above average speed when the ball is in his hands. He showed some good evasion but nothing that I would warrant him being called Welker light other then both being smaller receivers.

[u851662]

Combine and real game performances are two different things.

So far from what I have seen of Anderson trying kick returns and as a receiver, he has yet to show me anything beyond above average speed when the ball is in his hands. He showed some good evasion but nothing that I would warrant him being called Welker light other then both being smaller receivers.

No doubt combine and real game performance are two different things. I pointed out the numbers to debunk what you said below:

You said:
"Anderson doesn't have near Welker's speed, which is why Welker gets thrown the ball as much as he does."
FALSE

Wes Welker gets thrown the ball as much as he does because he plays for the Patriots. When you play for the Pats love or hate Billy B. his offensive system is proven and second to non in the NFL. He also has a way in bringing out the best in his guys, see: Jabar Gaffney. lots of people said Randy Moss was washed up before he arrived in N.E. And Wes Welker was NOT a house hold name before he arrived in N.E. Being in the right system makes or breaks 90% of the guys in football. So yes I stand by my what I said, David Anderson could be Wes Welker light. I think Josh McDaniel would agree hence the offer sheet.

[Uprising]

Awesome, I am surprised and happy. The dude was a tuogh little guy.

[H-Town Info]

Combine Numbers,

Wes Welker ran a 4.65 -40 - David Anderson ran a 4.57 -40

Wes Welker Combine numbers (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=58574&draftyear=2004&genpos=WR)

David Anderson Combine Numbers (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=14349&draftyear=2006&genpos=WR)

There speed and skills are almost identical, however the Pats know how to get the most out of there players, how to play to there talents. The Texans will try to get the ball to Andre on almost every possesion (and so they should he is a beast). However it just shows the two teams with a different philosphy. You better believe that Josh McDaniels sees the same thing in David Anderson as he saw in Wes Welker when he was the Pats - O.Coordinator.

Also it helped Wes Welker to get to play for a Team like the Patriots, they even have similar stories. Wes played for a sorry Dolphins squad and then got picked up (traded I think) to the Pats.

David Anderson first couple years was for a sorry Houston team, got signed to an offer sheet by the same person responsible for getting Welker to New England, only the Texans were smart enough to match it. You better believe this ordeal was a wake up call for Kubiak and richard smith.

Welker aint fast but look at that shuttle time for Welker compared to Anderson. Shuttle time shows how agile/quick you are and that's why he's done so well as a slot WR.

[u851662]

Welker aint fast but look at that shuttle time for Welker compared to Anderson. Shuttle time shows how agile/quick you are and that's why he's done so well as a slot WR.

Yes, look at the shuttle drill as well as the 3 cone drill. Wes was faster in the shuttle, but David was faster in the 3 cone drill. Look there combine numbers are pretty similar, but David was faster in 2 out of the 3 drill times posted. All I am saying is "I" think David Anderson can be used similar to Wes Welker. And thats why Josh McDaniels wanted him. Wes Welker "LIGHT" the light is because David Anderson still has to prove it on the field. Kubes needs to get the kids some plays.

[Fulgore]

Uh... No.... Kevin Walter is what he is and thats an okay #2 receiver. However DA is like Wes Welker light, hence the reason the Broncos wanted him.... The Texans should take notes from the Pats on how to better utilize this guy.Kevin Walter is better than any wideout on those teams I listed which would make him a #1 on those teams.Im not calling him Andre Johnson but Walter can look any receiver on those teams I listed and say he is just as good.

[kaleidosky]

Kevin Walter is better than any wideout on those teams I listed which would make him a #1 on those teams.Im not calling him Andre Johnson but Walter can look any receiver on those teams I listed and say he is just as good.

(Eagles, 49ers, Raiders, Titans, Jags and Bears)

Eagles: Desean Jackson, Kevin Curtis
Raiders: Ronald Curry, Javon Walker (it's the QB holding them back)
Titans: Gage, McCareins
Jaguars: Jerry Porter, Matt Jones, maybe even Reggie Williams
Bears: Brandon Lloyd (did well when he was healthy last yr), Devin Hester (started to break out in yr 1 as a WR, again when healthy), mayyyybe even Marty Booker


Some of the guys listed are better than Walter... and for the rest, I don't think you can say "Walter is definitely better than _____"


49ers I'll give you. But I think they'll sign someone else who's more than a "1b/2a" rather than giving Walter bigger money and making him their #1

[Ric]

Eagles: Desean Jackson, Kevin Curtis
Raiders: Ronald Curry, Javon Walker (it's the QB holding them back)
Titans: Gage, McCareins
Jaguars: Jerry Porter, Matt Jones, maybe even Reggie Williams
Bears: Brandon Lloyd (did well when he was healthy last yr), Devin Hester (started to break out in yr 1 as a WR, again when healthy), mayyyybe even Marty Booker
i wouldn't trade kevin walter for a single one of those guys. porter, jones and williams? seriously? javon freaking walker? devin hester!!??!...

wow.

[Uprising]

Found this while looking for his string dance on Youtube....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVPXvpx9phE&feature=related


That was disturbing.....

If you are still looking.

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[Fulgore]

Eagles: Desean Jackson, Kevin Curtis
Raiders: Ronald Curry, Javon Walker (it's the QB holding them back)
Titans: Gage, McCareins
Jaguars: Jerry Porter, Matt Jones, maybe even Reggie Williams
Bears: Brandon Lloyd (did well when he was healthy last yr), Devin Hester (started to break out in yr 1 as a WR, again when healthy), mayyyybe even Marty Booker


Some of the guys listed are better than Walter... and for the rest, I don't think you can say "Walter is definitely better than _____"


49ers I'll give you. But I think they'll sign someone else who's more than a "1b/2a" rather than giving Walter bigger money and making him their #1I might give you DeSean Jackson but there is nobody on that list I would consider a better wideout than Walter. Hester is faster and more exciting but is not a better receiver than Walter right now.JaVon Walker is washed up, Brandon Lloyd (Please), Jerry Porter??? Yea he's just been cut twice in the last 3yrs, Reggie Williams a 1st round bust, Matt Jones ditto. Jackson is the only one that Kubiak would give up Walter for.

[DonnyMost]

Does anybody have the clip from the show where Conan pointed out DA's string dance?

It was hilarious.

[kaleidosky]

i wouldn't trade kevin walter for a single one of those guys. porter, jones and williams? seriously? javon freaking walker? devin hester!!??!...

wow.

My point wasn't that I'd trade Walter for any of them. No way.

All I'm saying is that those teams aren't gonna say "let's shell out a good amount of money for a #1 and make him Kevin Walter" when they have those WRs on their rosters.

Fulgore is saying that we might lose Walter (i.e. more $$) to one of those teams b/c they'd sign him as their #1.. I just don't see it. I don't think it's enough of an upgrade over the guys I listed. They'd rather keep their core, add a lesser #2, or spend more for a better #1.

[texanskan]

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