Texans to sign Patrick Ramsey

[liamrock]

The Texans are expected to sign free agent Patrick Ramsey to replace Sage Rosenfels as Matt Schaub's backup.

This is a severe downgrade. Ramsey knows Gary Kubiak's offense after his stay in Denver, but the former first-round pick had elbow problems in 2008 and has never been a good quarterback. Alex Brink couldn't be that much worse.
Source: National Football Post


From Rotoworld

[conquistador#11]

not funny. =(

[ima_drummer2k]

Need a link.

[adw]

ughhh

[liamrock]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/02/sources-more-scoop-from-around-the-nfl/

[H-Town Info]

I rather have Ramsey and 4th rounder than Sage...

[rezdawg]

Not much of a downgrade...considering the fact that he will have some sick weapons surrounding him on offense, Im sure he can handle the back up duties just fine.

Im more than happy with Ramsey as the QB if it means we pick up the 4th rounder for Sage.

[DieHard Rocket]

I think he'll be alright in spot-duty.

I'm not sure how accurate this reporters track record is. Nothing from Mcclain on this, and he's usually the first to break anything.

[The Cat]

It's amazing that people have such limited memories. These opinions are almost identical to the opinions people had three years ago when the Texans signed Rosenfels. Almost identical. Likewise, Ramsey's production in the league is equivalent to (or perhaps slightly better than) Rosenfels' production at the time he was signed.

Say it with me, folks: dime a dozen. Get Ramsey acclimated to an offense he's already comfortable with, and he'll be just fine. He's not good enough to be a starter, but neither was Rosenfels. For spot duty, he'll do the job.

[ima_drummer2k]

I rather have Ramsey and 4th rounder than Sage...
Seriously. Hopefully we won't get the 4th rounder taken away because of all this OTA nonsense.

All Ramsey has to do is hold onto the ball and keep the int's down. That would make him better than Sage.

[v3.0]

the key phrase is "spot duty"

cause Glass Schaub isn't the most durable qb and could go down and be out for more then one game...as usual

[MadMax]

I've never seen so much offseason consternation about a backup QB before.

[rezdawg]

It's amazing that people have such limited memories. These opinions are almost identical to the opinions people had three years ago when the Texans signed Rosenfels. Almost identical. Likewise, Ramsey's production in the league is equivalent to (or perhaps slightly better than) Rosenfels' production at the time he was signed.

Say it with me, folks: dime a dozen. Get Ramsey acclimated to an offense he's already comfortable with, and he'll be just fine. He's not good enough to be a starter, but neither was Rosenfels. For spot duty, he'll do teh job.

Exactly.

Plus, I think having an improved OLine...pro bowl TE, all world WR, and a stud RB will make any QB's job easier.

There is no reason why he couldnt play at least to the level of Rosenfels.

Good signing, glad to get it out of the way and start looking at other positions of need.

[Wooderson]

I actually like the idea of Ramsey as our backup. Hopefully we won't have to see him often on the field, tho!

The extra fourth-rounder is nice. We should be able to find some defensive value with that.

[JayZ750]

the key phrase is "spot duty"

cause Glass Schaub isn't the most durable qb and could go down and be out for more then one game...as usual

Exactly. For the most part, the role of the backup quarterback is overrated. If you truly have to depend on your backup for anything more than spot duty, count your season goodbye. Now, yes, there are special circumstances where there is that hidden gem on the bench...but those are exceedingly rare, and in most cases, even when surrounded by a team that previously went 18-1 the prior year, even when you come in and put up great stats, etc., the team is still likely to miss the playoffs...like last Patriots last year.

I don't think that means one should sign a crappy backup...get the most bang for the buck you can there, for sure. I'm just glad someone is signed and maybe now they can focus on improving areas of the team that actually need more help (defense).

[RocketJedi]

It's amazing that people have such limited memories. These opinions are almost identical to the opinions people had three years ago when the Texans signed Rosenfels. Almost identical. Likewise, Ramsey's production in the league is equivalent to (or perhaps slightly better than) Rosenfels' production at the time he was signed.

Say it with me, folks: dime a dozen. Get Ramsey acclimated to an offense he's already comfortable with, and he'll be just fine. He's not good enough to be a starter, but neither was Rosenfels. For spot duty, he'll do the job.

You are correct. That was my first thought, no one thought signing Sage was a big deal when it happened.

[Summer Song Giver]

Ramseycopter?

[gucci888]

I wouldn't be suprised if the Texans still end up drafting a QB at some point in the draft.

[MadMax]

Ramseycopter?

so high

so high

so high up in the sky


watch patrick ramsey play as the texans play their little football games

[pgabriel]

It's amazing that people have such limited memories. These opinions are almost identical to the opinions people had three years ago when the Texans signed Rosenfels. Almost identical. Likewise, Ramsey's production in the league is equivalent to (or perhaps slightly better than) Rosenfels' production at the time he was signed.

Say it with me, folks: dime a dozen. Get Ramsey acclimated to an offense he's already comfortable with, and he'll be just fine. He's not good enough to be a starter, but neither was Rosenfels. For spot duty, he'll do the job.


so now you are saying rosenfels was a good backup?

[pgabriel]

^^^TheCat

I don't mean to be a jerk, I'm actually quite amazed how you spin almost everything Houston in a positive light and you always backup your arguments with evidence. Its actually pretty impressive

[The Cat]

so now you are saying rosenfels was a good backup?

When did I say he wasn't? :confused:

I don't think anyone's denying that Rosenfels gave the Texans some quality minutes off the bench. The issue is in the rarity and whether it's easily replaced. For his role, I think it can be.

[The Cat]

^^^TheCat

I don't mean to be a jerk, I'm actually quite amazed how you spin almost everything Houston in a positive light and you always backup your arguments with evidence. Its actually pretty impressive

Thanks for the (somewhat) compliment, but I don't think you've waded into too many Astros threads if you think I spin most Houston things in a positive light. :) Wish that could be the case...

[Vinsanity]

I've never seen so much offseason consternation about a backup QB before.

It's a big deal because we all know Schaub won't be healthy all year so the backup is a pretty important position on this texans team.

[ima_drummer2k]

I've never seen so much offseason consternation about a backup QB before.
Agreed, but just to play devils advocate…

I think we can all agree that, in the last couple of years, the backup QB has been a pretty important position on this team. Certainly more so than a lot of other teams. I really don’t see that being any different this year. Do you really think Schaub is going to play all 16 games? I sure don’t.

But I certainly understand that we have a lot more pressing needs on this team than backup QB and there’s no reason to get all hot and bothered about it.

[The Cat]

It's a big deal because we all know Schaub won't be healthy all year so the backup is a pretty important position on this texans team.

Right, because if something happens two times (both largely due to vicious, illegal hits that aren't commonplace), that automatically means it's going to happen every other year for the remainder of eternity. :rolleyes:

[DieHard Rocket]

Now that Haynesworth is out of the division that drastically reduces Schaub's likeliness to get hurt.

I'm not joking either.

[slowmustang]

Well, the Texans aren't playing the Vikings so Jared Allen can't dive into his knees and Haynesworth won't be giving him concussions anymore.

[moestavern19]

I've been calling him Jon Benet for a long time.

[v3.0]

Right, because if something happens two times (both largely due to vicious, illegal hits that aren't commonplace), that automatically means it's going to happen every other year for the remainder of eternity. :rolleyes:
Well I hope he gets his flu shots, vaccination, etc. also...(the Rosencopter game)

the guy has missed 10 games in 2 seasons, I'd make sure to put an experienced backup behind him instead of a glorified clipboard carrier

[The Cat]

Well I hope he gets his flu shots, vaccination, etc. also...(the Rosencopter game)

the guy has missed 10 games in 2 seasons, I'd make sure to put an experienced backup behind him instead of a glorified clipboard carrier

Good thing Ramsey has more experience than Rosenfels and has a better track record than Sage at the time he was signed, then.

[v3.0]

Good thing Ramsey has more experience than Rosenfels and has a better track record than Sage at the time he was signed, then.
I'm pretty sure none of us were looking forward to having Alex Brink as the backup.

[finalsbound]

Chrissy is probably the bottom.

[Chuck 4]

With Haynesworth gone from Tennessee, I think Schaub should stay healthy this year, so this signing is cool with me.

[Boomhauer]

It's a big deal because we all know Schaub won't be healthy all year so the backup is a pretty important position on this texans team.

It's pretty important for the Titans also, thats why VY is the back up because he just wins. :sarcasm:

[Raven Lunatic]

The team is not going to spend the money necessary to have a backup that will give you good enough minutes for this team to perform well if the backup QB has to play more than half the season. It just doesn't make economic sense. So, accepting that, you have to assume that a backup QB will get one, maybe two games a year that he has to be a major factor in the outcome. That's not enough games to worry about whether the difference in talent between Sage Rosenfels and Patrick Ramsey is worth fussing over...especially if you can get some quality defensive depth from a fourth round pick you fenagle out of the deal.

[Mr. Clutch]

Right, because if something happens two times (both largely due to vicious, illegal hits that aren't commonplace), that automatically means it's going to happen every other year for the remainder of eternity. :rolleyes:

He didn't say that. Nice strawman though. It's just that he's missed a bunch of games and hasn't proven to be totally reliable.

I still like the trade but I am concerned about his durability.

[JamesC]

I really hope the Texans can draft a QB like Pat White somewhere in the draft. With his speed he could be nasty running those bootleg reverses.

[The Cat]

He didn't say that. Nice strawman though.

It's a big deal because we all know Schaub won't be healthy all year so the backup is a pretty important position on this texans team.

How is that a strawman? How is saying that you know Schaub won't be healthy not the equivalent of saying that it's automatically going to happen again because it happened the past two years? Please elaborate.

[DieHard Rocket]

I really hope the Texans can draft a QB like Pat White somewhere in the draft. With his speed he could be nasty running those bootleg reverses.

1. I think Pat White is the only QB like Pat White in this draft.

2. The Texans aren't going to draft him barring a fall to at least the 5th round.

[Mr. Clutch]

How is that a strawman? How is saying that you know Schaub won't be healthy not the equivalent of saying that it's automatically going to happen again because it happened the past two years? Please elaborate.

He basically thinks Schaub will be injured again, which isn't a stretch.

Then you said : "if something happens two times, then it will happen every year until the end of eternity."

A little different.

[The Cat]

He basically thinks Schaub will be injured again, which isn't a stretch.

He didn't say he thinks Schaub will be injured again. He said he knew Schaub would be injured again. Do you not understand the difference in the words think and know?

Then you said : "if something happens two times, then it will happen every year until the end of eternity."

A little different.

No, it's not. If he knows it's going to happen next year, why would it just happen next year and not every subsequent year? If the last two years have proven that Schaub definitely will be hurt next year, then the logical extension of that would be that he would be injured in following years too, would it not? Why would the probability of Schaub being injured in 2009 be any different than the probability of him being injured in 2010, 2011 and others?

If you claim to know know he's going to be injured one year, it would be completely illogical to have a different expectation for any other year, short of a bizarre scheduling quirk, declining or ascending offensive line play, etc.

By the way, your obsession with me is hilarious, dude. For months you've constantly challenged me on minute details, typically irrelevant to the larger theme of the discussion, yet you conveniently change someone else's phrasing from "know" to "think." Good stuff.

[kaleidosky]

i'm a fan of the move. Low-cost, essentially replacing Sage with another Sage who doesn't have the issues of having to face the fans after last year. (Maybe there's a marginal downgrade to Ramsey, but frankly, I don't care.. it was gonna be a problem if Sage was the QB for a long time, and it'll be a problem if Ramsey is the man long-term. Either way, gotta bank on Schaub at this point)

Given that slight difference, I don't think it matters, and I'm much happier with a 4th rndr added.

[Parlett316]

As a Redskins fan I'll always root for Ramsey. He's a tough son of a bitch that has a cannon...but he's gun shy now. Thank Spurrier.

[Mr. Clutch]

He didn't say he thinks Schaub will be injured again. He said he knew Schaub would be injured again. Do you not understand the difference in the words think and know?

Okay, he did say know, but if you are going to be literal with the guy, then set the same standard on your own posts. YOU said "if a guy gets injured twice then he will be injured every year until the end of eternity." Are you implying that Schaub will play football ever year until the end of the universe? To imply that Schaub is immortal is ridiculous, dude.


No, it's not. If he knows it's going to happen next year, why would it just happen next year and not every subsequent year? If the last two years have proven that Schaub definitely will be hurt next year, then the logical extension of that would be that he would be injured in following years too, would it not? Why would the probability of Schaub being injured in 2009 be any different than the probability of him being injured in 2010, 2011 and others?

If you claim to know know he's going to be injured one year, it would be completely illogical to have a different expectation for any other year, short of a bizarre scheduling quirk, declining or ascending offensive line play, etc..

His point isn't that he is psychic. If he was, he'd be in Vegas betting against the Texans. He used hyperbole, but his point is that Schaub is injury prone. If I was picking a fight with him, I would honestly make that disctinction. I mean, why didn't you ask him to prove his psychic abilities?


By the way, your obsession with me is hilarious, dude. For months you've constantly challenged me on minute details, typically irrelevant to the larger theme of the discussion, yet you conveniently change someone else's phrasing from "know" to "think." Good stuff.

Kind of like pgabs said, I just find it amusing how you spin stuff sometimes. Disagreeing with you on how injury prone Schaub is isn't minute. I don't even think the Texans are as sure about his durability as you seem to be.

And honestly, it's probably been about 6 months since I've responded to you. So how have I "constantly" challenged you? To me, "constantly" implies responding to every single one of your posts. I don't even log on here every day, so how can I be doing it "constantly?" (see what happens when you take every work literally to spin your argument)

[TheBigAristotle]

Decent signing. It was in accordance with the prophecy (Russell Baxter), so it's sorta neat to see it come true.

[JamesC]

He's a tough son of a bitch that has a cannon...but he's gun shy now. Thank Spurrier.



That sounds eerily similar to David Carr.

[CriscoKidd]

I like Ramsey. Never thought he's gotten a fair shake, but at the same time, I don't think he's ever truly siezed the opportunities he's had.

[The Cat]

Okay, he did say know, but if you are going to be literal with the guy, then set the same standard on your own posts. YOU said "if a guy gets injured twice then he will be injured every year until the end of eternity." Are you implying that Schaub will play football ever year until the end of the universe? To imply that Schaub is immortal is ridiculous, dude.

Except I wasn't talking about Schaub directly in that analogy; I was using a hypothetical to assert how ridiculous the principle was.

Kind of like pgabs said, I just find it amusing how you spin stuff sometimes. Disagreeing with you on how injury prone Schaub is isn't minute. I don't even think the Texans are as sure about his durability as you seem to be.

Likewise, I find it amusing that you routinely (and often, incorrectly) infer my beliefs based on one two-line response. I'm not at all sold on Matt Schaub's durability. I don't think he'll miss five games again because those were partially on fluke hits. However, I do expect him to miss time. I just don't claim to know it or think it's close to 100% just because it's happened in two seasons.

By the way, remember the last time you were amused by my "spin" on Matt Schaub (http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=141624&page=19)? That worked out pretty well for you.

[The Cat]

By the way, to get this thread back on track, does anyone know if the thread title is accurate? There seem to be very differing accounts from the National Football Post, who scooped this and implies it's a done deal, and the Chronicle, which basically only says that the Texans met with him (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6284444.html). And it's not like the Chronicle typically plays these things conservative; remember, they nailed the Rosenfels trade as a done deal on Monday, four days before it was official and well before any other outlet.

[rezdawg]

By the way, remember the last time you were amused by my "spin" on Matt Schaub (http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=141624&page=19)? That worked out pretty well for you.

Haha, that was a good read.

[ima_drummer2k]

I still don't see anywhere that the Texans are going to sign this guy.

Misleading thread title.

[Rocket River]

Why must the TEXANS . . .just *give* the QB spot to someone everyyear
Why do they never have *any* competition

I think it breeds a sense of entitlement and no sense of a need to improve at the QB Spot

I think If Carr was pushed more. . .he could have done more
instead. . they Knighted him Starter . . .and he sucked
no matter how hard he sucked. . he knew he would not lose his job
now
they doing the same thing to Schaub

Rocket River

[DieHard Rocket]

I think If Carr was pushed more. . .he could have done more
instead. . they Knighted him Starter . . .and he sucked
no matter how hard he sucked. . he knew he would not lose his job
now
they doing the same thing to Schaub

Rocket River

The difference is Schaub hasn't done anything to warrant needing to be pushed for the starting job. When he's not injured from illegal hits, he's a very efficient QB. Carr, on the other hand, was never efficient.

[Rocket River]

The difference is Schaub hasn't done anything to warrant needing to be pushed for the starting job. When he's not injured from illegal hits, he's a very efficient QB. Carr, on the other hand, was never efficient.

Carr was a Rook coming out of college
he needed pushing

Schuab was a backup with a high rep but nothing else
His body of work was questionable

Rocket River