Our 2nd WR option: Marvin Harrison?

[steddinotayto]

I'm hoping the Texans at least call Harrison's agent and see what the buying price is. His skills are on a decline but he would be an excellent 2nd option.

[robroy77]

So, I guess you forgot about Kevin Walter? He's 36 and he's been on the injury prone side the last couple years.....NO THANKS!

[Cannonball]

Harrison is a guy who should go to an already successful team that needs just that little extra firepower and veteran leadership to get them over the hump. Someplace like Philly.

He's not a guy you add to a team that's still trying to build into a contender or is still looking for its first winning season.

[CrazyJoeDavola]

I'd rather have Kevin Walter thank you

[arkoe]

If he couldn't come to a financial agreement with the Colts, I doubt the Texans would be interested.

[The Cat]

Harrison is a below average player at this point and a scumbag of a human being. Not only no, but hell no.

[steddinotayto]

eh, it was worth a shot :D

[DonnyMost]

WR is the last thing we need to upgrade.

[moestavern19]

Marvin Harrison is finished.

If Peyton Manning can't get you the rock, its probably because you suck.

[Wakko67]

Kevin Walter.

[Fulgore]

Wouldnt be surprised if he went to Philly.From the area and would be the best wr on the team right away.

[Mr. Clutch]

Get it done Morey!!

[conquistador#11]

anything to get me talking football in the offseason is great, even a horrible idea like getting marvin.
but yeah... no.

[david_rocket]

Yep, i think Harrison is done, I think he needs a great QB, to look at least decent.

[emjohn]

Both Walters and Daniels are much better options at this stage. I don't even think I'd want Harrison playing in front of Andre Davis in 09.

Evan

[nWo34Life]

I rather see Harrison move to a division where we don't play them next year. The sight of him against our DBs is always frightening.

[leroy420]

I rather see Harrison move to a division where we don't play them next year. The sight of him against our DBs is always frightening.

You'll probably get your wish. Many think he'll sign with Philly.

[raw10628]

Uh, no thanks. Why would we want to take on his contract? He's on a severe decline right now and he was playing with the best QB in the league. Our offense is one of the few places we don't need much help. Rather use that money on a defensive player or backup running back.

[JPM0016]

Has Eric Moulds already been forgotten?

[moestavern19]

Uh, no thanks. Why would we want to take on his contract? He's on a severe decline right now and he was playing with the best QB in the league. Our offense is one of the few places we don't need much help. Rather use that money on a defensive player or backup running back.

This isn't the NBA... NFL contracts are loosely guaranteed.

The issue isn't about is he worth a small amount of money to sign him, its that he doesn't really have anything left to contribute.

[Summer Song Giver]

K-Dub says fugg Marvin Harrison, not really tho cuz Marvin would probably shoot him for this insult.

[Ric]

I'm hoping the Texans at least call Harrison's agent and see what the buying price is. His skills are on a decline but he would be an excellent 2nd option.
steddinotayto- i'm curious: do you really think marvin harrison would be an upgrade over kevin walter? or do you maybe not know much about kevin walter? i'm not trying to be flippant; it's a sincere question that i'm hoping you'll answer honestly (others, too).

i ask because i'm starting to think that, as a fan base, we're not over the casserly era yet; that many of us still assume our players must be universally inferior to nearly every other teams' players. (or is it merely a symptom of our insatiable need for change or something new?) (or is it more a case of me not recognizing that some fans are merely casual fans; ones that may know schaub or mario, but not walter and daniels types?) (or is it maybe something else entirely? like steddinotayto is marvin harrison's cousin?.....)

because i can certainly understand wanting... you know, albert haynesworth to upgrade travis johnson, for instance. but marvin harrison over kevin walter?... that's an undeniable downgrade. and i'm not picking on you, steddinotayto - all throughout the season, we saw countless threads about "should the texans sign (fill-in the blank QB)?" while schaub was putting together the best (if incomplete) season ever by a texan QB; "should we fire kubiak and hire (so-and-so)" even though kubiak had turned a 2-14 laughinstock around in relatively quick time.

i have this theory that fans - not all fans, and not just bad fans or anything like that - can lock into an idea and never let it go. case in point: i continue to be dumbfounded by the "drayton is cheap" crowd - and i don't mean getting stuck on a behavior a player consistently reinforces (like mcgrady and his drama). i'm talking about when a reputation persists in the face of mounting evidence that the person or franchise or whatever have turned a corner.

i just see too many "let's replace productive texans" sentiment, and it makes me wonder why... (note: i recognize that some of it is because the franchise as whole has lost so consistently so there's a sheen of frustration; but is that all?)

[raw10628]

This isn't the NBA... NFL contracts are loosely guaranteed.

The issue isn't about is he worth a small amount of money to sign him, its that he doesn't really have anything left to contribute.

Uh, yeah I know their contracts aren't guranteed, and that he will get a new deal. He will still get a lot of money on the open market because of his name. He and his agent will also make a case for him being injured, yada, yada, yada. He will still get a decent contract from someone.

And if you read my post, I mentioned him being on the decline right now and that he has been on the deline with the best QB in the league which should tell you where he is headed for production with a new team.

I think he'll end up in Philly, but what do I know, I don't even like the guy. :D

[jev5555]

Kevin Walter is our #2. WR is the last position on our need list.

[moestavern19]

Uh, yeah I know their contracts aren't guranteed, and that he will get a new deal. He will still get a lot of money on the open market because of his name. He and his agent will also make a case for him being injured, yada, yada, yada. He will still get a decent contract from someone.

And if you read my post, I mentioned him being on the decline right now and that he has been on the deline with the best QB in the league which should tell you where he is headed for production with a new team.

I think he'll end up in Philly, but what do I know, I don't even like the guy. :D


He won't get paid **** compared to what he was making. The NFL is the most ruthless when it comes to paying based on current performance. We are talking about teams who will cut good players just because they aren't playing at the same level they were before. I don't care if Marvin Harrison saved my entire family from drowning, if he can't hold onto a football and he's making Larry Fitzgerald money, he's gotta go.

Any GM that would give him anything that is more than a blip on the radar screen capwise is a fool.

[DieHard Rocket]

steddinotayto- i'm curious: do you really think marvin harrison would be an upgrade over kevin walter? or do you maybe not know much about kevin walter? i'm not trying to be flippant; it's a sincere question that i'm hoping you'll answer honestly (others, too).

i ask because i'm starting to think that, as a fan base, we're not over the casserly era yet; that many of us still assume our players must be universally inferior to nearly every other teams' players. (or is it merely a symptom of our insatiable need for change or something new?) (or is it more a case of me not recognizing that some fans are merely casual fans; ones that may know schaub or mario, but not walter and daniels types?) (or is it maybe something else entirely? like steddinotayto is marvin harrison's cousin?.....)

because i can certainly understand wanting... you know, albert haynesworth to upgrade travis johnson, for instance. but marvin harrison over kevin walter?... that's an undeniable downgrade. and i'm not picking on you, steddinotayto - all throughout the season, we saw countless threads about "should the texans sign (fill-in the blank QB)?" while schaub was putting together the best (if incomplete) season ever by a texan QB; "should we fire kubiak and hire (so-and-so)" even though kubiak had turned a 2-14 laughinstock around in relatively quick time.

i have this theory that fans - not all fans, and not just bad fans or anything like that - can lock into an idea and never let it go. case in point: i continue to be dumbfounded by the "drayton is cheap" crowd - and i don't mean getting stuck on a behavior a player consistently reinforces (like mcgrady and his drama). i'm talking about when a reputation persists in the face of mounting evidence that the person or franchise or whatever have turned a corner.

i just see too many "let's replace productive texans" sentiment, and it makes me wonder why... (note: i recognize that some of it is because the franchise as whole has lost so consistently so there's a sheen of frustration; but is that all?)

I think you're right as far as casual fans being locked into the idea that we have inferior players. Because we don't get a lot of national media pub, even fans that support our team don't realize how good some of our guys are in their role, like Walter. They don't see our guys on Sportscenter's Top 10 making highlight reel plays every week, so they think our guys are all inferior. Houston fans have suffered through a lot of heartbreaking football teams, so I think they don't get as attached to the players like they do with the Rockets or Astros. If we traded someone like Kevin Walter or Owen Daniels, you wouldn't see near the uproar like you did with Rafer Alston.

Also adding to that fact is a lot of the names suggested are big name players that don't produce like they used to, like Harrison or Derrick Brooks. NFL players decline a lot faster than any other sport, so two years after having a pro-bowl season a guy might be barely hanging on in the league.

He won't get paid **** compared to what he was making. The NFL is the most ruthless when it comes to paying based on current performance. We are talking about teams who will cut good players just because they aren't playing at the same level they were before. I don't care if Marvin Harrison saved my entire family from drowning, if he can't hold onto a football and he's making Larry Fitzgerald money, he's gotta go.

Any GM that would give him anything that is more than a blip on the radar screen capwise is a fool.

I think had he not been in trouble with the law, Marvin would get a decent offer somewhere, but heavy with incentives. Some team would take a chance on him regaining his form. But with the legal issues I wouldn't be surprised if he's unsigned up to training camp.

[SBK#2]

eh, it was worth a shot :D
is that a joke by anychance

[steddinotayto]

steddinotayto- i'm curious: do you really think marvin harrison would be an upgrade over kevin walter? or do you maybe not know much about kevin walter? i'm not trying to be flippant; it's a sincere question that i'm hoping you'll answer honestly (others, too).



To be honest with you, I forgot about Kevin Walter. Of course, this might seem as though I think less of him but that isn't the case at all (think of it as "Wow, Harrison got dropped" kind of reactionary thinking). My train of thought is that this team still has room for improvement. Albeit it's a position that already is manned by one of the top 3 WRs in the game, but another good receiver wouldn't hurt. As far as me "locking" into this idea, it was more of a passing thought than anything else.

is that a joke by anychance

I wish I could have taken credit for that but, no, it was by accident hahah.

[DieHard Rocket]

Albeit it's a position that already is manned by one of the top 3 WRs in the game, but another good receiver wouldn't hurt.



Actually, it could hurt, because it would take up valuable cap space and a valuable roster spot.

He'd be 3rd on the depth chart at minimum, and I'm pretty sure Kubiak expects a 3rd WR to be able to play some aspect of special teams.

[kaleidosky]

Walter isn't getting replaced in the starting lineup. And Harrison isn't going somewhere unless he's gonna get paid like (and play as) a #2.

So he's out of the picture here, barring an injury very soon. (If he was gonna be a #3, he'd have gone back to Indy)

[Naija Texan]

I like our current WR group and as good as Harrison is, I doubt he is willing or able to play at the Kevin Walter plays at and for the same amount of money.

[Wooderson]

Kevin Walter is obviously our #2 WR option. The thought of going after Harrison at this stage in his game is just chasing a name. We're good enough at WR not to waste precious dollars on a one-time great who would be fighting Jacoby Jones for the #4 spot.

[ubigred]

Harrison is a below average player at this point and a scumbag of a human being. Not only no, but hell no.


How is he a scumbag??

[The_Dream]

How is he a scumbag??
I'm not exactly sure, but the only bad thing I've ever heard about Harrison I heard was that gun incident a few months ago :confused:

[IROC it]

Wouldn't this be like Webster Slaughter part II?


Older receiver, great years behind him, from a division rival, being put out to pasture at Houston's expense?

[kaleidosky]

Wouldn't this be like Webster Slaughter part II?


Older receiver, great years behind him, from a division rival, being put out to pasture at Houston's expense?

Slaughter wasn't this far past his prime when we got him. He still had productive years.. shoot, i'd take that Slaughter from the year we signed him over current Harrison..

[redgoose]

The fact Harrison wouldn't renegotiate his 13 million dollar contract to play with Peyton Manning and a sure playoff spot shows his pride is to big to play for less than 10 million. Not to mention after 13 years and recent injury problems for the last couple years, everyone knows he's on the decline except for him.

When you compare him to comparable WR's of today like TO and Chad Johnson, he's a total stand up guy like Andre Johnson has been while playing on a losing team that has trouble utilizing him to full potential and not complaining. However signing him wouldn't be worth the price i assume he wants no matter if we think our #2 is already better than him. If he only wants 5 million for a year, i'd say move Walter to the #3 spot. But i think teams like Phili or Washington could really use and pay him more.