If the rockets advanced to the second round...

[iku]

... does tracy mcgrady get the credit of advancing to the second round too??
even though he didn't play a single post-season game?

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[sTeKcOr22]

**** no!

[daRox]

kind of...he played some games during the regular season

[IamKhan]

NO,

And it will make it crystal clear HE IS THE REASON his teams could not pass the first round.

[ThaShark316_28]

Only if he joined the team on the sidelines and was damn near an assistant coach.

[Glacier]

Let's get back to this topic after we've made it. Long way to go.

... does tracy mcgrady get the credit of advancing to the second round too??
even though he didn't play a single post-season game?

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[durvasa]

He's still a member of the team. I mean, if the Rockets win a championship, doesn't he get a ring? If so, logically if they get out of the first round he'll have technically done so as well.

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be too excited about it, though.

[crash5179]

OH HELL NO!

Unless he is on the court helping to advance in the play offs he gets no credit what so ever.

[crash5179]

He's still a member of the team. I mean, if the Rockets win a championship, doesn't he get a ring? If so, logically if they get out of the first round he'll have technically done so as well.

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be too excited about it, though.

Yeah he gets the ring but none of the credit

[napalm_black]

NO,

And it will make it crystal clear HE IS THE REASON his teams could not pass the first round.
WOW :eek:.

Pure ignorance. How about these differences:

1. Yao!
2. Ron Artest!
3. Rafer Alston!

Where does the crystal clear part come in?

God I realize you hate him, but think before you speak.

[mw_mw]

Yes.
The reason is,
if the Rox win the championship this year, he'll get his ring.
so if the Rox get to the 2nd round, he's still part the team

[fat kid]

if we advance to the 2nd round, whenever someone mentions t-mac's playoff career, they'll also mention that he didn't contribute to the rox 08-09 playoff run

[napalm_black]

... does tracy mcgrady get the credit of advancing to the second round too??
even though he didn't play a single post-season game?

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It depends on how you define credit.

As far as hardware and on paper, yes, he'll get it.

As far as street cred? None.

[topfive]

A better question would be:

If the rockets advanced to the second round...

... do the Rockets give Tracy McGrady tickets to come watch those games?

[smartfish]

He won't be on playoff roster, so he won't pass 2nd round even if the team does.

[TheDream24]

No, and even if he was playing right now. Critics would still make the excuse saying he was carried by Yao Ming and Ron Artest.

He won't get any credit for it, I'll tell you that.

[henGoOink]

noo..

[ai_111]

Well, T-Mac is not officialy out for the season. He may not have the surgery.

[buptjinhe]

Then the sun is rising from the west. :(

[buptjinhe]

Well, T-Mac is not officialy out for the season. He may not have the surgery.

Then we are in trouble again. :)

[Lowry_Fan]

He's still a member of the team. I mean, if the Rockets win a championship, doesn't he get a ring? If so, logically if they get out of the first round he'll have technically done so as well.

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be too excited about it, though.
I'm pretty sure both McGrady and Alston would get rings.

[Tfor3]

Well, T-Mac is not officialy out for the season. He may not have the surgery.


he's not coming back...............

[ai_111]

he's not coming back...............

He may........
I just hope that he does comeback.

[bamtonio]

this is the equivalent of a player getting a ring but not playing in a single game

[Bustnani]

He better be waving those towels like a madman if he wants any credit!

[Spacemoth]

It would be a similar situation to Nomar being traded from Boston the year they won the title. He didn't have anything to do with their postseason run, but he was there for half the regular season and had an integral role in making Boston competitive the 5 years building up to that championship title.

I say Tracy and Rafer definitely share in the fate of this team for this year. But thankfully for us, we won't have to live with any of the consequences of their play on the court when it counts.

[Spacemoth]

Oh and btw Nomar got his ring. Along with almost everyone in a 2 mile radius of Fenway park.

[hoplite]

I guess I don't fully understand ALL the hatred still going on about tslack in the playoffs. Regardless if he had or hadn't make it out the first round, he comes out to play. He has never been surrounded by any talent, and the first time he hadone guy to help out the jazz exploited the teams weakness. For all his faults u can't blame him for the playoff failures, he has almost lead teams out the 1st by himself.

Now I'm not a tmac only fan, more of a rocket fan. I admit to wanting to trade tmac, bc of how he was treating his team and bc i'm always willing to make the team better. However, as fans we have mistreated tmac as a rockets player. We accuse hiim being a ballstopper, well....we brought him him in to handle most of the scoring, bc that's what he has always done, now we r asking him to stop playing like that and move without the ball, exactly the type of player he is not. Tmac is the type of player that has to have confidence in his game, has to have the ball in his hands and make some shots to do so. Well the injury has taken the toll on his body, and doesn't no how to react. And instead of understanding this, we have criticized his play.

Now, the going out and telling the press what he did before the rox org, I believe he felt they had done that to him first. Remember he has always been coveted and being the man, and I honestly believe he wants to stay in htown.

Now, next yr we trade tmac, that's fine if we make the team better. We can't just trade tmac just to trade him, he's gone through big changes this yr and does need sometime. Is excellent playoff performance is undeniable. (LOL however the team is playing better without him ;) ) I just hope we do make it out the 1st.

[SugarLandDream8]

Obviously he wont get any credit and he will remain a guy who never got out of the first round. He wont even be on the playoff roster or play a single minute in the playoffs. Rafer gets no credit what happens with the Rockets. He gets credit for what happens with the Magic. If the Rockets win the title, Rafer wont get a ring. If the Magic wins a title this year, Rafer gets a ring.

[baller4life315]

Who cares about T-Mac's ego as long as a we advance? I'm more concerned about shedding this 'playoff monkey' for Yao's sake so he feels like he's part of a committed, winning cause that will give him all the more incentive to stick around post-2010.

[jondoe]

What are the chances that Tmac shows his face in Toyota center again this season, even as a cheerleader? I say no way.

[ferrarif1286]

technically he'll be credited as member of the team that advances but no one (the fans, and especially the media) will say he is part of the team. In fact the media would start to rub it into tmac's face that the team he is on will never advance and once he is out they are into the 2nd round. So we better get there!!

[DaRrEnZhAnG]

I can imagine how the Tmac-only-fans will feel if we pass the first round...
It must've hurt like hell :(

[ScriboErgoSum]

He'd get crucified even worse if the Rockets somehow make it to Round 2 without him. Bill Simmons would start busting out the Ewing\Barber Theory without mercy.

[AntiSonic]

NO,

And it will make it crystal clear HE IS THE REASON his teams could not pass the first round.

I think that much is already crystal clear, but all the excuses used in the past would look so much sillier.

[carryunderskirt]

you know what? TMedicalCenter wants to play the off-games and he will and probably will do well. Much better way to prove his personal glory than sweating blood thru 82 games to prove stupidity. Sadly, Les believes in this BS.

[napalm_black]

I think that much is already crystal clear, but all the excuses used in the past would look so much sillier.
Judging by your sig I'll bet you agree with me that Ron is going to be solid in the playoffs. There's a difference - a reputedly tough torchbearer that the team never had.

Also, we just traded our long-time PG named Rafer Alston away. He proved to be at least a modest factor in 2008's playoffs.

We have a new starter, a speedy youngen named Aaron Brooks, backed up by a sparkplug defensive PG named Kyle Lowry. They replace a long line of unimpressive PG's who couldn't score by themselves, prominently Mike James, Rafer Alston and Moochie Norris.

Our big man, Yao Ming, is present and accounted for. Last season he battled lower body injuries that forced him to miss the playoffs, in which McGrady performed well enough to deflect criticism. (Although he opened his mouth too much).

All of this is under a new coach named Rick Adelman who had an entirely different set of pieces last season at the same time. Before that, we were lead by a disciplinarian coach named Jeff Van Gundy and his assistant, Tom Thibodeaux, in a tight system that produced some of the best defensive teams in the league but with a notorious lack of creativity on offense.

Around McGrady was the future hall-of-fame lineup of Howard, Bowen, Wesley, Padgett, etc, who managed to blow a game 7 in a game in which McGrady scored over half of the team's points, by allowing the Mavericks to score on just about every possession.

I know that you know all of this. The only points I can concede off the top of my head is that McGrady plays a methodical half-court style rather than the teams current mixed style, and that he runs his mouth too much.

It is only crystal clear if you want it to be.

[napalm_black]

EDIT: I'm also willing to concede that McGrady was unimpressive in fourth quarters, and that "being tired" is a bull**** excuse for a professional athlete.

Still, I dont buy into the fact that its his fault. People here are just frustrated with our lack of success (rightfully), and NEED someone to pin it on. Need a scapegoat. Who better than the overpaid oft-injured former-star of the team.

[ebu]

why would he get credit if he never played in the playoffs?

[Lowry_Fan]

NO,

And it will make it crystal clear HE IS THE REASON his teams could not pass the first round.
That's ridiculous. THE reason? Whatever happened to this being a team sport? I'd say maybe one time where his team should've actually advanced. When I look at 0-7, the 7 stands out more to me than anything. Some of those teams people thought shouldn't even belong in the playoffs.

[RasaqBoi]

I'm pretty sure both McGrady and Alston would get rings.

Tmac would but not Alston he is not part of this team anymore lol. That was a dumb comment.

Answer the question, No he would not get credit because he wasn't playing in the playoff games. That is a simple question.

[bullardfan]

I'm pretty sure both McGrady and Alston would get rings.

shoulda traded him back to orlando for rashard lewis.

[shortfuse3]

i want us to pass the first round just so t-mac would be an even more embarassment than he arleady is.

[DaDakota]

I think he does....he is on the team....

DD

[R0ckets03]

NO,

And it will make it crystal clear HE IS THE REASON his teams could not pass the first round.


LOL!

Cause those Orlando and Houston teams would have beaten Detroit, Utah and Dallas if he wasn't on the team.

Grow a brain. :rolleyes:

[REEKO_HTOWN]

I think he does....he is on the team....

DD

On the Program Roster huh

[blender]

I'd imagine he'd be written down in the record books as being a member of the team.

But there will be a big fat * next to his name.

[Yetti]

Waste of a thread! Ones mind should not even be thinking about such things! Sit back and enjoy the rest of the season, Let Morey worry about Tracy etc. :p

[theimpossibles1]

Not in my mind.

[NO NAME]

T-Mac playoffs first-round record after this season: 0-8

[Naija Texan]

I think that much is already crystal clear, but all the excuses used in the past would look so much sillier.

Actually, no they wouldn't. This team is easily no less then twice as better then any team T-Mac has went to the finals with. But despite that, he will still be looked at as a star that never made it past the first round if the Rockets make it into the second round.

But really, there is no denying that none of the previous teams talent level or match ups were ever in favor of T-Mac getting out of the first. It is almost as if the Heavens have personal mandate for him not to make it past that level.

[leebigez]

The goal is the ring, not some rinky dink 2nd rd achievement. Not that he'll appreciate it, but just like Yao is 0-fer even though he missed last season and maxwell was suspended the playoff and got a ring, yes he's still part of the team.

[Phoenix13]

... does tracy mcgrady get the credit of advancing to the second round too??
even though he didn't play a single post-season game?

Lock this thread if its already been discussed before.
may be we will give him a ring

[legacygt777]

yes and no

[BoomShakalaka]

are you kidding?

[That Kid 13]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RtGzevZV1Y&feature=PlayList&p=F1FE9984E848D857&index=5

[agentkirb87]

Actually, no they wouldn't. This team is easily no less then twice as better then any team T-Mac has went to the finals with. But despite that, he will still be looked at as a star that never made it past the first round if the Rockets make it into the second round.

Completely agree. You have Brooks (hopefully) being able to step in as a starting PG and produce. He wasn't really a factor in the playoffs last year. Scola is turning into a really solid player. Obviously you have Artest on the team. And Von Wafer coming out of nowhere to be a solid rotation player.

If you remember that last season Yao was gone, and go back to the season before that as the best shot we've had at the 2nd round (the team that got JVG canned), you could make the argument that this team without Tmac is better than that one. Tmac that season is much better than Artest this season, but this season you have Scola, Brooks, Wafer, Lowry, Landry. Back then you had Head, Hayes, Lucas, Alston, Howard (I rest my case).


But really, there is no denying that none of the previous teams talent level or match ups were ever in favor of T-Mac getting out of the first. It is almost as if the Heavens have personal mandate for him not to make it past that level.

Again, agree. The sad thing is, when people look back Tmac is going to look like a failure. It doesn't help that he didn't portray himself as this great player that he could've been. But when you look at the teams and each playoff series, some of these situations I don't even think Kobe could have made it out of. We lost in 7 games to Utah that one season, but in that game 7 Tmac had a really nice near triple double game.

[KingLeoric]

If that does happen, and someone asks Tmac: "Do you consider this year as the break of your first-round-curse?" What would he say?

[deadlybulb]

Lowry_Fan!

Wow, that's fresh. :D

I liked what I saw in his first game. I see good things to come.

Welcome to the boards.

As far as McGrady... I'd bet his fragile psyche would crumble if we made it past the first round w/out him.

[Hak34]

For the Rockets to even get a first round win they better secure home court for the the first round. As it stands, the Rockets have no shot of beating the Lakers or Spurs in a 7 game series, would OF struggled against the Suns if Amare didn't go down, and once the Jazz get Boozer back, probably can't beat them either in a series. Once Dallas gets the Jet back, its debateable weather they could run Dallas out either. I do like our odds against the Nuggs, Hornets or TBlazers though.

Its a good thing its not just to Rockets with the injury bug going on, and hopefully they will secure a 4 seed, as they have no chance to get a 1-3 obviously.

Quick, how many teams with winning records in the Western Conference has a losing record on the road?

















Give up?



Two. The Jazz, which seems tho happen every year with them, and the Rockets.

[nolimitnp]

**** no!

Couldn't have said it better myself :p

[nolimitnp]

He may........
I just hope that he does comeback.

He'll get boo'ed off the floor in the Toyota Center. Absolutely no way he steps back on the floor this season.