In Morey I trust

[haoafu]

No matter what he do today, I'll trust his judgement. He's been fantastic since taking over the gm role. I really can't think of any trade/pick I wouldn't appreciate afterwards(It took a while in some cases though).

In Morey I trust, so I feel good about today no matter what.

[bravo six]

same here

[DaDakota]

I agree - kinda

I think he has done a great job of getting talent, but a lousy job of putting together players that fit.

You can't just toss talent onto a team and roll a ball out and hope they figure it out.

This team still needs a quality PG, an attacking penetrating Wing, and a big that is athletic and can hit the 3ball.

But if he can trade Tmac for a decent player that fits....I will be more than back in his corner...for a while.

:D

DD

[napalm_black]

This team still needs a quality PG, an attacking penetrating Wing, and a big that is athletic and can hit the 3ball.


Does Wafer not count as an attacking wing? Not trying to be an ass, just curious about your opinion.

[FLASH21]

Fa sho! ;)

[durvasa]

He hasn't yet made a major move for a star player yet, other than Ron Artest. And it's been sort of a mixed bag with Ron. When you focus on getting small-time role players with modest contracts, you get praise when they do well and people tend to give you pass when they don't do so well ("it didn't hurt the team").

Imagine if he committed big dollars to a player that flopped like Steve Francis or Mike James flopped. That's what remains to be seen. If the Rockets are to take the next step, he needs to be able to acquire star talent that he can keep on the team for more than 1 season.

[DaDakota]

Does Wafer not count as an attacking wing? Not trying to be an ass, just curious about your opinion.

Yes, he most certainly does, I love me some Wafer, and it is why I would still consider trading Artest for the right player because I really think Wafer should be getting a lot more time on the court.

I do worry though that he is an unrestricted FA, and he will bolt this offseason as we have no rights to him at all.

DD

[napalm_black]

He hasn't yet made a major move for a star player yet, other than Ron Artest. And it's been sort of a mixed bag with Ron. When you focus on getting small-time role players with modest contracts, you get praise when they do well and people tend to give you pass when they don't do so well ("it didn't hurt the team").

Imagine if he committed big dollars to a player that flopped like Steve Francis or Mike James flopped. That's what remains to be seen. If the Rockets are to take the next step, he needs to be able to acquire star talent that he can keep on the team for more than 1 season.
In all fairness to Morey, ownership was pretty committed to building around their two big pieces already (Yao and McGrady), so Morey wasn't going to just move them for a star since you gotta give something to get something. I think the acquisition of Artest is enough to prove that he is aggressive enough to be able to do it again. Just my two cents.

[HowsMyDriving]

I agree - kinda

I think he has done a great job of getting talent, but a lousy job of putting together players that fit.

You can't just toss talent onto a team and roll a ball out and hope they figure it out.

This team still needs a quality PG, an attacking penetrating Wing, and a big that is athletic and can hit the 3ball.

But if he can trade Tmac for a decent player that fits....I will be more than back in his corner...for a while.

:D

DD


i think the change in coaching, specifically the huge shift in the "style" of coach from JVG to Adelman has more to do with the pieces not fitting than the players do. With the move from JVG to Adelman, every player on the roster had to try to re-learn how to play basketball simultaneously.

to the OP - I agree. I trust Morey more than any GM we've ever had in this town (with the possible exception of Gerry Hunsicker).

[CheezeyBoy22]

I think the hardest thing for the Rockets to do is try to get a decent PG. WE might have to wait and see come 2010. Rafer is off the books.

[napalm_black]

Yes, he most certainly does, I love me some Wafer, and it is why I would still consider trading Artest for the right player because I really think Wafer should be getting a lot more time on the court.

I do worry though that he is an unrestricted FA, and he will bolt this offseason as we have no rights to him at all.

DD
That's worth worrying about. I don't do too much looking past the mountain that is the 2009 playoffs. :D I was also under the impression that with McGrady out, Wafer would start getting his fair share again, Artest or not.

On another note, I have a lot of faith in this team sans McGrady. I think that even if we stand pat we'll be fine. I agree with you that we need a C and/or PG (mostly PG), but I'm not sure if I'd be willing to give Artest on a gamble. I think this team has potential.

[v3.0]

I agree - kinda

I think he has done a great job of getting talent, but a lousy job of putting together players that fit.

You can't just toss talent onto a team and roll a ball out and hope they figure it out.

This team still needs a quality PG, an attacking penetrating Wing, and a big that is athletic and can hit the 3ball.

:D

DD
You just described a coach's job. That's not Daryl's job that those player mesh. Smart players and smart coaches make it work.

Other then the Mike James and Steve Francis gaffe, he's done a great job. And he turned Mike James into Artest, which is still a good move IMO. Who knew that Artest and Tmac would clash, other then that Artest can still be a great player for us in the playoffs if not traded.

[napalm_black]

You just described a coach's job. That's not Daryl's job that those player mesh. Smart players and smart coaches make it work.

I considered responding with the same thing - but then I decided against it. It IS a coach's job, but it is the GM's job to be in tune with the coach. There has to be close communication there so that the GM is actively seeking guys that fit the coach's needs, or the coach is using strategies that complement the GM's plans. Its a dual deal.

[FLASH21]

He hasn't yet made a major move for a star player yet, other than Ron Artest. And it's been sort of a mixed bag with Ron. When you focus on getting small-time role players with modest contracts, you get praise when they do well and people tend to give you pass when they don't do so well ("it didn't hurt the team").

Imagine if he committed big dollars to a player that flopped like Steve Francis or Mike James flopped. That's what remains to be seen. If the Rockets are to take the next step, he needs to be able to acquire star talent that he can keep on the team for more than 1 season.

I believe that everyone that looks at this team now and looks at this team then sees a huge difference.

Considering what he had to work with and all the talent he has brought in with minimual draft choices/free agent $$ we have seen major upside. Could you imagine if we had all those draft choices OKC has??? :eek:

BALLIN!!!

[REEKO_HTOWN]

Is there a prayer we can all say to give Morey the wisdom to fleece a team?

[DaDakota]

You just described a coach's job. That's not Daryl's job that those player mesh. Smart players and smart coaches make it work.

Other then the Mike James and Steve Francis gaffe, he's done a great job. And he turned Mike James into Artest, which is still a good move IMO. Who knew that Artest and Tmac would clash, other then that Artest can still be a great player for us in the playoffs if not traded.

This is somewhat true, but some players do not fit together, their games are not complimentary.

DD

[joesr]

I agree - kinda

I think he has done a great job of getting talent, but a lousy job of putting together players that fit.

You can't just toss talent onto a team and roll a ball out and hope they figure it out.

This team still needs a quality PG, an attacking penetrating Wing, and a big that is athletic and can hit the 3ball.

But if he can trade Tmac for a decent player that fits....I will be more than back in his corner...for a while.

:D

DD

I dont agree with the OP for these same reason and the fact that he had the chance to "handle" 2 of the problems but didnt. Im not so forgiving I guess.

[v3.0]

I considered responding with the same thing - but then I decided against it. It IS a coach's job, but it is the GM's job to be in tune with the coach. There has to be close communication there so that the GM is actively seeking guys that fit the coach's needs, or the coach is using strategies that complement the GM's plans. Its a dual deal.
A GM can only do so much.

I'm sure Daryl wants to give Adelman that sharpshooting PG ala Bibby, and that sweet passing PF who can take over the game ala Webber, but guess what, they're not available.

[joesr]

A GM can only do so much.

I'm sure Daryl wants to give Adelman that sharpshooting PG ala Bibby, and that sweet passing PF who can take over the game ala Webber, but guess what, they're not available.


Like turn down Billups and CV?

[napalm_black]

A GM can only do so much.

I'm sure Daryl wants to give Adelman that sharpshooting PG ala Bibby, and that sweet passing PF who can take over the game ala Webber, but guess what, they're not available.
There's a lot of guys out there. Especially guys that management probably knows better than we do as casual fans. (See: Von Wafer).

I think you're right, you cant just make the magical move, but I dont think the chances are so slim.

[durvasa]

This is somewhat true, but some players do not fit together, their games are not complimentary.

DD

The Rockets liked Artest for his versatility. He gave them another strong wing defender (no more having to watch Luther Head guard Bryant while Battier is sitting), and he's capable of playing the PF position. You said we should have pursued a 3-point shooting PF. I think that's what the Rockets envisioned for Artest when Adelman wants to spread the floor. And we've actually seen that a number of times this year.

I don't blame Morey for not finding players that "fit". His concern is getting talent, and collecting tradeable assets. "Fit" is sort of an unpredictable thing, and if you're banking too much on that you can screw yourself.

I think we should be a little more aggressive pursing younger players instead of all the over-the-hill veterans. Morey has been a fairly conservative GM thus far.

[sky1]

he is a good GM, and select carl and brooks in the draft,trade artest here. :)

[v3.0]

Like turn down Billups and CV?
First off those were rumors. I'm not a CV fan, Landry is a tougher player then him. Billups, well if everyone knew Tmac would implode like this, then of course everyone can play 20/20 hindsight and sound smart.

There's a lot of guys out there. Especially guys that management probably knows better than we do as casual fans. (See: Von Wafer).

I think you're right, you cant just make the magical move, but I dont think the chances are so slim.
I think it's not a stretch to say Von Wafer has exceeded what Morey and Adelman has expected of him. The guy was supposed to be training camp fodder and a late invitee to the roster when training camp started. He survived the last cut between him and DJ Strawberry.

Daryl can make things happen, no doubt, we just need to be patient.

[Lovemachine2000]

...
This team still needs a quality PG, an attacking penetrating Wing, and a big that is athletic and can hit the 3ball.

DD
Are you secretly a fan of





Yi Jianlian? :D

But seriously, we don't need a big that can hit the 3-ball, just an athletic bruiser who rebounds and plays defense like he gives a damn. Horford would fit the bill nicely :)

And Yi is actually better than most ppl give him credit for; he's the Net's second most valuable big man hands down. If we only could combine his talent with Yao's work ethic...

[JKillaD23]

I'll make this guarantee....I may be wrong but here it is.

At the end of the day the Rockets trade no one. Well maybe luther head. But I still think we trade nobody. It looks like everyone is starting to get healthy( knock on wood) so why should they trade someone. The chemistry is there plus the ball movement is great. The best way to do it is stay put and ride it out

[c6111]

I hope he can bring surprise for us

[Rocket Guy]

we make a trade to put people in the seats and give the fans something to cheer for...morey doesnt roll like that

[DwangBoy]

I hope Morey trades TMac for Mr. Consistenteam... Oh wait, Tmac already did that himself by saying he's out for the season.

[pradaxpimp]

I agree - kinda

I think he has done a great job of getting talent, but a lousy job of putting together players that fit.

You can't just toss talent onto a team and roll a ball out and hope they figure it out.

This team still needs a quality PG, an attacking penetrating Wing, and a big that is athletic and can hit the 3ball.

But if he can trade Tmac for a decent player that fits....I will be more than back in his corner...for a while.

:D

DD

This has a huge part to do with the Coach.

This is how the process should work.

GM get the best players, Coach makes the best out of them.

[TD200]

I agree - kinda

I think he has done a great job of getting talent, but a lousy job of putting together players that fit.

You can't just toss talent onto a team and roll a ball out and hope they figure it out.

This team still needs a quality PG, an attacking penetrating Wing, and a big that is athletic and can hit the 3ball.

But if he can trade Tmac for a decent player that fits....I will be more than back in his corner...for a while.

:D

DD

I don't think our PG is that bad. Rafer did much better job (like league top PG) when T-mac was out. So the question is who should have the ball and who needs to run on floor.

[redao]

Morey sucks.

He can not find a PG to replace that freaking Rafer. All Morey's good trades and acquisitions have been wasted becaue of the worst starting PG.

[Ron from the G]

Morey has made phenomenal moves considering that he was given a team with 2 very large contracts and little wiggle room. There are only so many things you can do when you have two guys with the contract sizes as Yao and T-Mac. I am very interested to see how he performs once he actually has some cap room to work with considering the well informed moves he has made to date with the little cap flexibility the Rockets have had under his tenure.

[BranJ17]

I agree - kinda

I think he has done a great job of getting talent, but a lousy job of putting together players that fit.

You can't just toss talent onto a team and roll a ball out and hope they figure it out.


DD

Isn't this where the head coach comes into play. Isn't it the GM's job to acquire the most talent as possible, and then pay a head coach who is supposed to get the team to gel. When JVG was here, the players always raved about how great the chemistry was, and that was even with TMac.

[BranJ17]

I guess I should have read the rest of the thread before posting. My apologies.

[jevon3012]

Morey sucks.

He can not find a PG to replace that freaking Rafer. All Morey's good trades and acquisitions have been wasted becaue of the worst starting PG.

How can you hate on Yao, Battier, Alston, and now Morey and go defend Tmac. Just amazing.

Hate to break it to some of you but Rafer is actually a pretty damn good point guard(without Tmac) considering what we pay him. Outside of a franchise point guard, who no one is gonna give up, I wouldn't take any other point over him. You can make a slight improvement with the likes of Calderon or Hinrich with an extra price tag of about 6 mil. So then ask yourself, do you want to pay that extra 6 mil if it may cost you Landry or Scola.

[redao]

How can you hate on Yao, Battier, Alston, and now Morey and go defend Tmac. Just amazing.

Hate to break it to some of you but Rafer is actually a pretty damn good point guard(without Tmac) considering what we pay him. Outside of a franchise point guard, who no one is gonna give up, I wouldn't take any other point over him. You can make a slight improvement with the likes of Calderon or Hinrich with an extra price tag of about 6 mil. So then ask yourself, do you want to pay that extra 6 mil if it may cost you Landry or Scola.

First, I have given up on TMAC long time ago when he went to hospital during a game.

second, I'd definitely pay anything to upgrade PG position. I'd love to trade Battier, Artest, Landry, or any price except Yao to get a real NBA PG.

A PG is the motor of the team. PG is the reason that Cavs, Nuggets, Magic, Celtics are rising, Lakers, Rockets, Mavs are doomed.

[Yetti]

I think we should be a little more aggressive pursing younger players instead of all the over-the-hill veterans. Morey has been a fairly conservative GM thus far.

Yes I agree with you! It is about time the Rockets came to their senses and started developing more players. :p

[redao]

Morey sucks.

He can not find a PG to replace that freaking Rafer. All Morey's good trades and acquisitions have been wasted becaue of the worst starting PG.

I am sorry Morey. You finally ends the Raferness. Now I trust and give you an A for your GM work.

Ship out Rafer alone is a good move.

TMAC might just come back and play for a different PG. We will see

[el_locoteee]

Morey will always surprise us.

He said he will probably make a trade to get a future move later

[arabrocket]

Morey will always surprise us.

He said he will probably make a trade to get a future move later

he already did surprise the **** out of us for trading rafer to lowry and lool cook

[dachuda86]

yeah this is not good... have we just given up on the season because mac is out? WTF. Mac being gone actually improves our chances.

[REEKO_HTOWN]

Do you not understand the way Morey works?
He "helps" teams find players or contracts then gets big names in return.He He drafted Batum to trade for 3 players.
drafted Green to get Artest
he traded a bad contract to get b. Jackson.
He works in a different way.

[JKillaD23]

lol Do you still trust in Morey. There is a thread that says no trade is the best trade. Well the trade we did was a bad trade. I mean Lowry is good player i seen him play in Villanova and he was great. Might I add we have a knock down shooter in Brian Cook but wow Morey you should have just said no smh :( .. Look at the bright side nomore Rafer "I'll shoot when the shot clock is at 24" alston.

[Fiah]

I dont now and I always have. Thats the end of that. :mad:

[Spacemoth]

I trust in Morey more than ever. Selling high and buying low is what ballas do. So just sit back and enjoy the show.

[jwayne]

Im happy with the deal... We get another young, athletic, quick PG to play along the quickest PG in the NBA in Brooks who by the way is a better shooter and penetrater than Alston. Brian Cook... he is just another big body who can snag a board or 2 or 10 and then knock down a lil j...

This is building for the future... Tracy is out of the equation altogether I believe.

I love Morey... smart guy... he knows what he is doing. He probably made this move with another move in the offseason already in mind. ;)

[Angkor Wat]

You know, I said I trust Morey and I still do. If he says Lowry is an upgrade over Rafer, I believe him. Maybe this is a trade to spark a huge run. I hope so.

[saleem]

DM is a Moneyball guy. I like Lowry as a backup,he would have added depth if Brooks wasn't around.Lowry could have helped Rafer out quite a bit.Rafer wasn't a good starter but Lowry isn't one either. Rafer did have the experience of playing with the team.Cook hasn't done anything good for a long while,only time will tell how is it going to work out.

[DrJB25]

Morey, the man able to turn lead into gold!!

About 3 years ago, how many of you guys knew who landry, scola, or Ab was?

What about Von Wafer?

All these players were nobodys and now they are developing nicely into really good players. He recruits them when their value is dirt cheap, before anyone even has a chance to realize their potential.

I honestly don't know Lowery's game, but for some reason DM has been pretty good at buying low and selling high. I'm guessing things will turn out better then what we had expected. He is a good business man. I LIKE!! =)

He's brillant. He picked up a pg that he believes will be better then rafer for ~1/5th the cost. He picked up an 3.5 mil contract which expires next year in Cook. He probably can move Cook's contract when other teams are looking to relieve cap space. He's like the master chest player, 10 steps ahead of all the other GM's.

Orlando won short term no doubt, but what the heck are they going to do when they want to resign hedo?? They are screwed financially. He is due for a raise and if I was hedo I would terminate the extension next year and ask for like 9-12 mil a year for 4 years. Then the rockets sign him. =)!!!!

[buptjinhe]

In Money I trust. :D

[PolarBear]

Morey, the man able to turn lead into gold!!

He's brillant. He picked up a pg that he believes will be better then rafer for ~1/5th the cost. He picked up an 3.5 mil contract which expires next year in Cook. He probably can move Cook's contract when other teams are looking to relieve cap space. He's like the master chest player, 10 steps ahead of all the other GM's.

Orlando won short term no doubt, but what the heck are they going to do when they want to resign hedo?? They are screwed financially. He is due for a raise and if I was hedo I would terminate the extension next year and ask for like 9-12 mil a year for 4 years. Then the rockets sign him. =)!!!!

Cook will exercise his $3.5M player option. We'll be paying $5.535M for Cook & Lowry next year - the last year of both their contracts. The Magic will be paying $5.250M for Rafer's last year of his contract. So how exactly did the Magic screw themselves? They'll save about $300K next year in salary.