View Full Version : Billy Wagner out until 2010 - ouch !
DaDakota
09-08-2008, 08:10 PM
Terrible news for the ex Astro (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3575996)
Get well soon Wags...
DD
magnetik
09-08-2008, 08:58 PM
damn.. that seems like an eternity
ryan17wagner
09-08-2008, 09:06 PM
Terrible news for the ex Astro (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3575996)
Get well soon Wags...
DD
Most dominant closer in Astros history. That season of '97 where set the record for most K's per 9 was incredible. Gagne broke it in '03. I wonder if he'll make the HOF. If so, probably in an Astro cap since he played here the most and he had the best success here.
Uprising
09-08-2008, 09:12 PM
heard it during the stros game. Sucks for billy. Seems he is going to try to make the comeback.
ryan17wagner
09-08-2008, 09:55 PM
He's 15 saves away from 400, I would too.
TMac640
09-08-2008, 10:29 PM
Ahh, the three words a pitcher never wants to hear - Tommy John Surgery.
What's kinda funny is we traded both of our last two closers to Philly. Just a weird coincidence, ESPN/Telemundo type deal
baller4life315
09-08-2008, 11:18 PM
Don't worry. The luxury of being a team like the Mets is you can go out there and sign somebody for $10M a year and not even think twice.
MadMax
09-08-2008, 11:53 PM
Don't worry. The luxury of being a team like the Mets is you can go out there and sign somebody for $10M a year and not even think twice.
(and still not win a playoff series)
Refman
09-09-2008, 12:07 AM
(and still not win a playoff series)
Wow...MadMax bringing the pain late at night. :cool:
DaDakota
09-09-2008, 12:07 AM
(and still not win a playoff series)
Not yet....but they are closer this year than we are.
DD
Not yet....but they are closer this year than we are.
Taking into account that they didn't play an unbalanced schedule against the Brewers and Cubs, like the Astros did... I don't think they're that much closer at all.
Most dominant closer in Astros history. That season of '97 where set the record for most K's per 9 was incredible. Gagne broke it in '03. I wonder if he'll make the HOF. If so, probably in an Astro cap since he played here the most and he had the best success here.
Its odd that you don't mention the current all-time leader amongst relievers for K's per 9 IP... as he is a former Astro.
Also, there are zero hardcore Mets fans losing any sleep over Wagner being out till 2010. Its simply adding to the loathing that he's brought on himself since going there, as he has now burned bridges in 3 different cities.
Buck Turgidson
09-09-2008, 08:37 AM
as he has now burned bridges in 3 different cities.
Maybe the docs can give him a tonguectomy while they're cutting....
Major
09-09-2008, 09:27 AM
Taking into account that they didn't play an unbalanced schedule against the Brewers and Cubs, like the Astros did... I don't think they're that much closer at all.
Really? You don't think a team that's in the playoffs now (by 1.5 games) is more likely to win a playoff series than a team that's 5 games out? :confused:
Major
09-09-2008, 09:30 AM
Also, there are zero hardcore Mets fans losing any sleep over Wagner being out till 2010. Its simply adding to the loathing that he's brought on himself since going there, as he has now burned bridges in 3 different cities.
This is ridiculous. As mouthy as he is, he's one of the most reliable closers in baseball. Any team without depth in the bullpen (ie, the Mets) would be concerned by losing their ace closer. And any fans that want to win would be concerned by it as well.
The GM has admitted he's concerned by it - is he not a hardcore Mets fan?
Master Baiter
09-09-2008, 09:38 AM
I hate the Mets but I've always like Wagner so I hate to see him hurt like that. He may have pissed off a lot of people but he never burned a bridge with me. I liked how he was honest.
rrj_gamz
09-09-2008, 10:46 AM
That sux...Mets suck...
Zacatecas
09-09-2008, 10:50 AM
I thought that Wagner is one of the best relief pitchers I've seen. His 100 and plus miles per hour fast ball was amazing to watch.
I remember one time that there was a stat of all the 100 miles an hour pitches in the baseball season and he had more than all of the rest of the baseball pitchers combined. Or at least a significant portion of them.
But Wagner was kind of like Bagwell, very opinionated and critical of management.
The best one two punch in relief pitching has to have been Lidge and Wagner!!! We in Houston were lucky to watch that tandem!!!
Lidge, Wheeler, and Qualls was very good as well. But nothing like the Wagner & Lidge tandem.
bobrek
09-09-2008, 10:57 AM
..I remember one time that there was a stat of all the 100 miles an hour pitches in the baseball season and he had more than all of the rest of the baseball pitchers combined. Or at least a significant portion of them...
You remember correctly. It may have been something like 90+% of all 100+ MPH pitches thrown that year were by Wagner. It was an amazing stat for that particular year.
Master Baiter
09-09-2008, 11:01 AM
The best one two punch in relief pitching has to have been Lidge and Wagner!!! We in Houston were lucky to watch that tandem!!!
I'm pretty sure it was Lidge, Dotel, Wagner.
The best one two punch in relief pitching has to have been Lidge and Wagner!!! We in Houston were lucky to watch that tandem!!!
Lidge, Wheeler, and Qualls was very good as well. But nothing like the Wagner & Lidge tandem.
Lucky we were indeed--but it was Lidge, Dotel, Wagner. The game was over by the 7th.
Buck Turgidson
09-09-2008, 01:58 PM
I liked how he was honest.
Speaking honestly & speaking the truth are 2 different things.
Nice Rollin
09-09-2008, 02:27 PM
(and still not win a playoff series)
1 win away from the world series 2 years ago?
Speaking honestly & speaking the truth are 2 different things.
qft
Oski2005
09-09-2008, 03:15 PM
The last time he pitched could possibly be his last as a Met.
This is ridiculous. As mouthy as he is, he's one of the most reliable closers in baseball. Any team without depth in the bullpen (ie, the Mets) would be concerned by losing their ace closer. And any fans that want to win would be concerned by it as well.
I agree with you in terms of his talent as a pitcher... but the man has had a Bud Adams-like effect on both Phhilly and now NY. When he gets/gives results, its ok. But when he fails, or throws teammates/organizations under the bus, he gets more ire then he ever got praise.
Don't shoot the messenger... but regardless of his pitching performances, Billy Wagner is not universally liked in NY.
kaleidosky
09-09-2008, 07:51 PM
the guy ran his mouth.. but I never hated him. I definitely feel bad for the guy more because he's an ex-astro
TMac640
09-10-2008, 04:06 PM
I thought that Wagner is one of the best relief pitchers I've seen. His 100 and plus miles per hour fast ball was amazing to watch.
I remember one time that there was a stat of all the 100 miles an hour pitches in the baseball season and he had more than all of the rest of the baseball pitchers combined. Or at least a significant portion of them.
But Wagner was kind of like Bagwell, very opinionated and critical of management.
The best one two punch in relief pitching has to have been Lidge and Wagner!!! We in Houston were lucky to watch that tandem!!!
Lidge, Wheeler, and Qualls was very good as well. But nothing like the Wagner & Lidge tandem.
I don't recall Bagwell saying anything too mortifying. What did he used to say?
Zacatecas
09-10-2008, 04:15 PM
Bagwell was always second guessing management. My first recollection of Bagwell was him calling out the entire organization a degree shy of idiots for trading Brian Hunter away. His comments were on a basis that Brian Hunter had more talent in his finger nail than anybody on the team. He was also very critical when the Astros took Daryl Kile to arbitration.
It's to an extent different from Wagner who stated before he was traded that the Astros wouldn't win because they didn't spend money. Or after he was traded that he was glad to be going to a team who knew what they were doing.
But I was merely stating that Bagwell was OPINIONATED. Something Biggio wasn't very much - at least not in front of the camera.
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