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basso
05-27-2008, 09:52 AM
it's not fearmongering if the threat is real. (http://media.www.dailyfreepress.com/media/storage/paper87/news/2008/03/26/News/Former.U.s.Assistant.Ag.In.Bush.Administration.Calls.For.Exp anded.Powers-3284134.shtml)

The federal executive branch's power should be increased to reduce national security threats, a former Bush administration official told a full auditorium at Boston College last night.

Jack Goldsmith, former U.S. assistant attorney general and now a Harvard Law School professor, said the president should have more power to prevent future terrorist attacks, but acknowledged that the authority should have some checks.

"We need to come up with more aggressive mechanisms and give the president more power, but don't make it an indefinite power," Goldsmith said.

He said the government has increased executive power based on the "twin fears" -- the fear of another terrorist attack and the fear of law.

"These fears play off of one another," he said. "It's not only the fear of attack, it's the fear of not believing you have enough information on how to stop the attack."

Goldsmith called the Bush administration's expansion of executive power in the name of combating terrorism "justified and necessary," citing a responsibility for American people's safety and a fear generated by daily terrorist threats.

"Many believe government is exaggerating the threat of terror, but having worked in Justice Department, the government is understating the threat," he said.

With the 2008 presidential campaign in full swing Goldsmith said Americans should not expect significant changes to occur during George W. Bush's administration. Goldsmith said the next president, no matter who wins the November election, will not radically change in the pace of the war on terror.

"The next president won't pull back completely from the Bush administration," said Goldsmith. "Surveillance will only grow. We shouldn't expect to see a less aggressive policy."

He addressed the possibility of an end to the war on terror and said the end would bring mixed results.

"Victory is self-defeat because it will only allow us to become less vigilant," he said.

However, some audience members said they disagreed with the idea that the way to improve national security would be to increase the president's influence.

"The president doesn't so much need more power, but needs to work together with Congress," BC sophomore Michael Coutu said.

BC sophomore Kevin Cummings said he "trusts insiders like Goldsmith because he was once a part of the administration. He must know some information that we don't know."

DaDakota
05-27-2008, 09:55 AM
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin)

I will take Benjamin Franklin's position on the matter, thank you.

DD

rhadamanthus
05-27-2008, 09:57 AM
Bunch of pansies.


"wah wah, I'm so scared." :rolleyes:

DaDakota
05-27-2008, 10:01 AM
Bunch of pansies.


"wah wah, I'm so scared." :rolleyes:

They are just learning from Hitler in how he consolidated his power and turned a democracy into a totaletarian regime.

History attempting to repeat itself, man trying to stay in power by promoting fear.

With understanding, there is less fear....

DD

rhadamanthus
05-27-2008, 10:04 AM
They are just learning from Hitler in how he consolidated his power and turned a democracy into a totaletarian regime.

History attempting to repeat itself, man trying to stay in power by promoting fear.

With understanding, there is less fear....

DD

Godwin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law) would be proud, but a nice post all the same.

SamFisher
05-27-2008, 10:04 AM
Dude, way to own yourself basso - you really should do some research before you post this stuff.

Jack Goldsmith has written extensive critiques of the Bush Administration's approach to civil rights w/respect to the the war on terror - in fact he wrote a book about it, which is one of the reasons he basically resigned in protest in 2004 and has repeatdly criticized the Administration in print for the last 4 years.

I would not be surprised if a republican like Goldsmith is an Obama supporter either, given that they were both at UC law back in the 90's. Regardless most of his critiques of the Administration (read various pieces in Slate, the NYT, etc) are of policies that you bend over backwards to defend and tell us that people who don't support are terrorists because of such

[MASSIVE EPIC FAIL PIC]

basso
05-27-2008, 10:13 AM
Dude, way to own yourself basso - you really should do some research before you post this stuff.

Jack Goldsmith has written extensive critiques of the Bush Administration's approach to civil rights w/respect to the the war on terror - in fact he wrote a book about it, which is one of the reasons he basically resigned in protest in 2004 and has repeatdly criticized the Administration in print for the last 4 years.

I would not be surprised if a republican like Goldsmith is an Obama supporter either, given that they were both at UC law back in the 90's. Regardless most of his critiques of the Administration (read various pieces in Slate, the NYT, etc) are of policies that you bend over backwards to defend and tell us that people who don't support are terrorists because of such


exactly, and thank you for falling into my little trap.

a critic of the Bush admin's record on civil rights, a new liberal hero and icon, and probable Omama supporter, says the admin is understating the threat- hmmm, what could that possibly mean?

FranchiseBlade
05-27-2008, 10:18 AM
basso, you seem more afraid that anyone I know. Your history of posts shows fear and a desperation to do anything to try and assuage those fears.

I hope the after a time, reason and rational thought will replace the darker of your fears.

SamFisher
05-27-2008, 10:19 AM
exactly, and thank you for falling into my little trap.

a critic of the Bush admin's record on civil rights, a new liberal hero and icon, and probable Omama supporter, says the admin is understating the threat- hmmm, what could that possibly mean?

That you are digging yourself into a bigger idiot-hole than you are already in, considering that you are implying that an IL-con law theorist like Goldsmith who resigned from DOJ in 2004 has some sort of hidden cache of knowledge as to Iran's nuclear program.

Do you even know what DOJ stands for? Stop embarrassing yourself.

weslinder
05-27-2008, 10:20 AM
a critic of the Bush admin's record on civil rights, a new liberal hero and icon, and probable Omama supporter, says the admin is understating the threat- hmmm, what could that possibly mean?

That liberals generally follow the same asinine foreign policy and use the same inflammatory rhetoric as the neocons? That sure makes it okay.

SamFisher
05-27-2008, 10:21 AM
basso, you seem more afraid that anyone I know. Your history of posts shows fear and a desperation to do anything to try and assuage those fears.

I hope the after a time, reason and rational thought will replace the darker of your fears.

As basso has explained to us - he has a right to be more afraid than anybody since his children are in the crosshairs living in Manhattan's upper west side - unlike madrassa-loving outer-boroughites like mc mark, who might as well be in Topeka because they are not as important.