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basso
03-28-2008, 06:22 AM
Obama’s Former Pastor Getting $1.6M home (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/27/obamas-former-pastor-builds-a-multimillion-dollar-retirement-home/#comment-254991) in Retirement

http://elections.foxnews.com/files/2008/03/wright_house4.jpg

This was supposed to be the week that the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. returned to the pulpit to preach for the first time since his anti-American sermons generated nationwide outrage and drew condemnation from his longtime parishioner, Barack Obama.

But, citing security concerns, Wright canceled his speaking engagements in Florida and Texas. A spokeswoman at his former church in Chicago said his schedule is pending.

A two-week FOX News investigation, however, has uncovered where Wright will be spending a good deal of his time in retirement, and it is a far cry from the impoverished Chicago streets where the preacher led his ministry for 36 years.

FOX News has uncovered documents that indicate Wright is about to move to a 10,340-square-foot, four-bedroom home in suburban Chicago, currently under construction in a gated community.

While it is not uncommon for an accomplished clergyman to live in luxury, Wright’s retirement residence is raising some questions.

“Some people think deals like this are hypocritical. Jeremiah Wright himself criticizes people from the pulpit for middle classism, for too much materialism,” said Andrew Walsh, Associate Director of the Leonard E. Greenberg Center for the Study of Religion in Public Life with Trinity College in Hartford, Conn.

“So he’s entitled to be tweaked here. So the question really is, how unusual is this? Somewhat unusual,” he said.

According to documents obtained from the Cook County Register of Deeds, Wright purchased two empty lots in Tinley Park, Ill., from Chicago restaurant chain owner Kenny Lewis for $345,000 in 2004.

Documents show Wright sold the property to his church, Trinity United, in December 2006, with the proceeds going to a living trust shared with his wife, Ramah.

The sale price for the land was just under $308,000, about $40,000 less than Wright’s original purchase two years earlier.

Public records of the sale show Trinity initially obtained a $10 million bank loan to purchase the property and build a new house on the land.

But further investigation with tax and real estate attorneys showed that the church had actually secured a $1.6 million mortgage for the home purchase, and attached a $10 million line of credit, for reasons unspecified in the paperwork.

There is apparently nothing wrong with that, according to non-profit tax expert Jack Siegel of Charity Governance Consulting, who examined public documents FOX News obtained from the Cook County Register of Deeds and the Village of Tinley Park.

“At least looking at it from a public document standpoint, there’s clearly not a problem that jumps out or some sort of wrongdoing,” Siegel said.

Siegel characterizes the transaction as unusual, however, because of the way Wright sold the property to Trinity and the way the deal was financed, with the attached $10 million line of credit.

Because churches are classified as private businesses, Trinity isn’t required to reveal its intended use for the line of credit. Nor, because it’s a non-profit entity, is it required to provide that information to the IRS.

A spokesman for ShoreBank, the Chicago-based financial institution that secured mortgages for the loans, said the deals were aboveboard.

Wright did not respond to repeated calls for comment, and Trinity United refused to discuss the specifics of the home it is building for him and the way the deal was financed.

The church referred FOX News to its denominational headquarters in Cleveland, which provided a statement of support:

“It is customary and appropriate in many Christian denominations, including the United Church of Christ, for local churches to offer housing provisions for retiring clergy, especially in cases where pastors have served long-term pastorates. We support efforts by our 5,700 local churches to ensure that retiring pastors and spouses have continuing housing, adequate pension and health care, as an expression of our continuing appreciation for their years of service. Each local UCC congregation is free to honor a retiring pastor in ways it feels most appropriate to address the needs of that clergyperson’s circumstances,” wrote the Rev. J. Bennett Guess, spokesman for UCC’s national office.

“This is about how these kinds of churches work,” notes Walsh. “These pastors who made big successful churches are real valuable commodities. Is it morally wrong? Well, Protestants don’t have the idea that their religious leaders should live modestly or aesthetically. We’re not talking Buddhist monks or Catholic priests here. There’s no tradition that says they have to live poor.”

Tradition at Trinity United centers on a congregation that’s unashamedly black and unapologetically Christian, according to the church’s website. There are also no apologies from the church for the home it’s building for its former senior pastor, who nurtured a religious empire that grew to have more than 8,000 congregants.

FranchiseBlade
03-28-2008, 07:44 AM
It's wrong for people to live in nice houses.

Good find basso.

Trader_Jorge
03-28-2008, 08:38 AM
The house that hate built.

insane man
03-28-2008, 08:53 AM
The house that hate built.

unlike your house that illegals built?

Trader_Jorge
03-28-2008, 08:54 AM
My house is the house that love built.

Xenochimera
03-28-2008, 09:01 AM
to be fair i think he was simply exploiting the feelings that some african americans have in order to to benefit himself. it would be no big deal if he wasn't linked to obama. sharpton operates the same way.

insane man
03-28-2008, 09:02 AM
to be fair i think he was simply exploiting the feelings that some african americans have in order to to benefit himself. it would be no big deal if he wasn't linked to obama. sharpton operates the same way.

why do you think he didn't really agree with parts of that narrative?

B-Bob
03-28-2008, 09:08 AM
My house is the house that love built.

Post of the year candidate. I bet it was like an Amish barn-raising. Perhaps even UT alums in the mix!

ROXRAN
03-28-2008, 09:20 AM
My biggest problem is the seemingly increasing allocations of materialism by churches in general to pastors, this also goes beyond Wright. However, this is especially troubling coming from a preacher utilizing hateful and anti-American speeches as part of "the message"...

CometsWin
03-28-2008, 09:33 AM
The greed is good crowd now has a problem with greed. ;)

leroy
03-28-2008, 09:34 AM
So they did nothing wrong and it's a common practice?

Wow...real news here. Well done.

:rolleyes:

Pushkin
03-28-2008, 09:45 AM
I do not see anything wrong with that house in the context of what other leaders of large churches receive.

My biggest problem is the seemingly increasing allocations of materialism by churches in general to pastors, this also goes beyond Wright.

This is so true. While I agree that most pastors at large churches are actually fulltime CEOs of large entities, that is not a justification for exorbinant pay and benefits.

While I no longer attend Catholic church, I am sure that upbringing (I was raised Catholic and I have an Uncle who is a priest and an aunt who was a nun) influences my thoughts, but I believe that when a person makes that commitment to God, that person should give up a lot of the material possessions. The church should provide enough money for a good upper middleclass life and not anymore. The house pictured above goes beyond that level, especially since he is now retired.

I would not be surprised to find out that a large portion of these well-paid pastors do not tithe when you take into account the value of all of the benefits (cars, houses, etc.) or that the salary is not purposefully inflated by 10% to cover the tithe.

Beck
03-28-2008, 09:45 AM
My house is the house that love built.

and this post proves it!!!

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?p=3515298#post3515298

and you got owned on this...

MR. MEOWGI
03-28-2008, 10:36 AM
Haha.

Suckers.

thegary
03-28-2008, 10:40 AM
It's wrong for people to live in nice houses.

Good find basso.


agreed. the crappier your house is, the better human being you are.

pgabriel
03-28-2008, 10:45 AM
battle of attrition

B-Bob
03-28-2008, 11:16 AM
as I said earlier, it's not even attrition or even paper cuts.

It's like plucking arms hairs one at a time. Not a good way to get someone to bleed.

I'm just wondering if they start on the pubes once the arms hairs are gone. Yuck.

Apollo Creed
03-28-2008, 11:21 AM
and this post proves it!!!

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?p=3515298#post3515298

and you got owned on this...

This is hilarious...did he ever pay up?

cson
03-28-2008, 12:05 PM
My house is the house that love built.

Courtney built your house ?

bnb
03-28-2008, 12:09 PM
I'm not sure I get the white folks reference in the title.

I thought it was a predominently black church? Wasn't that our outrage last month?

basso
03-28-2008, 12:12 PM
I'm not sure I get the white folks reference in the title.

I thought it was a predominently black church? Wasn't that our outrage last month?

it's one of rev jerry's in church comments- ironic in light of his lifestyle.

MR. MEOWGI
03-28-2008, 12:17 PM
it's one of rev jerry's in church comments- ironic in light of his lifestyle.

Maybe he plans on fitting all of the black community inside his house.

FranchiseBlade
03-28-2008, 12:36 PM
it's one of rev jerry's in church comments- ironic in light of his lifestyle.
Yes because only people who live in crappy houses are allowed to comment on greed.

MR. MEOWGI
03-28-2008, 12:38 PM
Yes because only people who live in crappy houses are allowed to comment on greed.

How did he get the money?

The Real Shady
03-28-2008, 12:45 PM
Looks like the evil rich white man is starting to rub off on good ole Rev Wright.

FranchiseBlade
03-28-2008, 12:48 PM
How did he get the money?
He earned it.

bnb
03-28-2008, 12:48 PM
ironic in light of his lifestyle.

I tend to agree. Sadly it's not unique to Rev Jerry.

MR. MEOWGI
03-28-2008, 12:52 PM
He earned it.

Then he must have payed taxes on it.

basso
03-28-2008, 01:02 PM
I tend to agree. Sadly it's not unique to Rev Jerry.

agreed. and it wouldn't be an issue in this case if he wasn't mentoring a messianic agent of "change."

pgabriel
03-28-2008, 01:09 PM
agreed. and it wouldn't be an issue in this case if he wasn't mentoring a messianic agent of "change."

why, what does one have to do with the other? other than this is the only negative you can stick to him.

bejezuz
03-28-2008, 04:07 PM
Umm, I'm confused. The article states that the church owns the house, not Rev. Wright. In fact, he lost money on the transaction of the land to the Church.

What is so controversial about a church with a congregation of 6000 building a big house for their pastor. We don't know what church functions will also happen at the house. Ten thousand square feet and four bedrooms? Sounds multi-use to me.