Who would you prefer as President?

[DaDakota]

In order to get all cards on the table.

Hillary, Obama, or McCain?

DD

[DaDakota]

I see a lot of Obama supporters, but hardly any Hillary ones, how is she doing so well in the primaries then?

DD

[rhester]

DD- I would vote for you over any of the three (seriously)

I am trying to figure out how to do a write in with electronic machines. :)

[DaDakota]

DD- I would vote for you over any of the three (seriously)

I am trying to figure out how to do a write in with electronic machines. :)


I would immediatly paint the WhiteHouse Rocket red, and all national business would cease when the Rockets were playing.

As for reality.....I just don't understand how Clinton is winning some of these elections especially in Texas where I meet a ton of Obama people but not one single Hillary one.

Is there any truth to the rumor that republicans are actually turning out in numbers to vote in the democratic primary for Clinton?

It sure seems like that may be the case.

DD

[The Cat]

I would immediatly paint the WhiteHouse Rocket red, and all national business would cease when the Rockets were playing.

As for reality.....I just don't understand how Clinton is winning some of these elections especially in Texas where I meet a ton of Obama people but not one single Hillary one.

Is there any truth to the rumor that republicans are actually turning out in numbers to vote in the democratic primary for Clinton?

It sure seems like that may be the case.

DD

No. 53 percent of Texas Republicans voted for Obama.

[The Cat]

As for your other question, think of the sample size and how incredibly small this place is. In addition, this message board, and in particular this forum, is 90-95 percent male. A majority are from larger cities. A whole lot are college kids or younger. Many are also upper class. The constant base of Hillary's support -- women, rural Dems, older and working class -- aren't represented proportionately here at all. So don't read too much into it.

[oomp]

Obama-

I don't like Clinton because the thought of two families being in control of our country for almost a quarter of a century makes me sick. 20 years is ENOUGH.

I have lost any respect for McCain that I used to have. From bowing down to Fallwell with his Liberty commencement to making W's playbook his own saying he will stay the course with Iraq, he has shown that his ideals are malleable to the highest bidder.

[Desert Scar]

I see a lot of Obama supporters, but hardly any Hillary ones, how is she doing so well in the primaries then?

DD

They have not seen the internet? j/K :D

More likely they are too busy doing real work to do a clutchcity poll midday.

[Bandwagoner]

Obama-

I don't like Clinton because the thought of two families being in control of our country for almost a quarter of a century makes me sick. 20 years is ENOUGH.

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92-2000 wasn;t that bad.

[count_dough-ku]

McCain.

I can't stand Clinton, and Obama would be Jimmy Carter V.2 based on his politics.

[Rocket River]

I would immediatly paint the WhiteHouse Rocket red, and all national business would cease when the Rockets were playing.

As for reality.....I just don't understand how Clinton is winning some of these elections especially in Texas where I meet a ton of Obama people but not one single Hillary one.

Is there any truth to the rumor that republicans are actually turning out in numbers to vote in the democratic primary for Clinton?

It sure seems like that may be the case.

DD

Bradley Effect?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect

Rocket River
*smile*

[Invisible Fan]

I see a lot of Obama supporters, but hardly any Hillary ones, how is she doing so well in the primaries then?

DD

Net users are more likely to love Ron Paul or Obama.

[cwebbster]

Where is Ron Paul in this poll....that is who I believe would be ideal!

[Bandwagoner]

I see a lot of Obama supporters, but hardly any Hillary ones, how is she doing so well in the primaries then?

DD
plus Obama does much better among young people who are trying to prove they are not like their racist parents.

[bigtexxx]

plus Obama does much better among young people who are trying to prove they are not like their racist parents.

Exactly. I think there are a lot of people out there who want to prove they are good little humans and vote for Obama so everybody knows that they aren't racist. Ridiculous.

[rimrocker]

plus Obama does much better among young people who are trying to prove they are not like their racist parents.

Exactly. I think there are a lot of people out there who want to prove they are good little humans and vote for Obama so everybody knows that they aren't racist. Ridiculous.

Using that logic, there appears to be more than a few folks still trying to please Daddy.

[mc mark]

Using that logic, there appears to be more than a few folks still trying to please Daddy.


The south will rise again!

[Jeffster]

i don't really like any of them, but McCain is clearly the best on that list. I don't understand why anyone would want to vote for Obama. He makes Kerry look almost middle of the road.
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[TreeRollins]

i don't really like any of them, but McCain is clearly the best on that list. I don't understand why anyone would want to vote for Obama. He makes Kerry look almost middle of the road.
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This coming from the guy who support Alan Keyes.

[IROC it]

92-2000 wasn;t that bad.


So long as you're just fine with the POTUS knowing UBL's location and doing SQUAT, while having an affair on your tax dime.

[nyquil82]

Exactly. I think there are a lot of people out there who want to prove they are good little humans and vote for Obama so everybody knows that they aren't racist. Ridiculous.


Don't worry, if you vote for Obama, I'll still think you're a racist :D

[IROC it]

So a vote for someone other than Barack means I'm a racist?

I'd hate to live your guilt ridden lives then.




Guilt Free in '08! McCain for POTUS!

[Rule0001]

Exactly. I think there are a lot of people out there who want to prove they are good little humans and vote for Obama so everybody knows that they aren't racist. Ridiculous.


I reallllly hate Obama, but it's not bc he's black.

I'd vote for this guy:

http://www.gop.com/images/MichaelSteelebiors.jpg

[Cohen]

Using that logic, there appears to be more than a few folks still trying to please Daddy.



:D

I love this board. :)

[Jeffster]

This coming from the guy who support Alan Keyes.


Yep. What's your point?
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[Rule0001]

BLAALLACK OBALAMMAL OALOLOLOL

[DaDakota]

This is why I don't think it matters who the dems run out there, this is an anything but republicans election.

And, I really want Obama in there, this country needs a hard left turn to balance out the far right cross we have taken across the chin for the last 8 years.

DD

[Jeffster]

This is why I don't think it matters who the dems run out there, this is an anything but republicans election.

And, I really want Obama in there, this country needs a hard left turn to balance out the far right cross we have taken across the chin for the last 8 years.

DD

You gotta be kidding. George W. Bush has been even less "far right" than his father on most issues.
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[fadeaway]

You guys better not mess up again and elect another Republican.

[pouhe]

So long as you're just fine with the POTUS knowing UBL's location and doing SQUAT, while having an affair on your tax dime.

Beats a half-trillion dollar war with 3,900 dead (and rising), based on **** intel and a bad exit strategy: also on "our tax dime." And which is worse, ignoring the old Bin Laden or giving him a branch office with a bunch of new proteges?

[TreeRollins]

Yep. What's your point?
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I just thought it was ironic. Alan Keyes would make Rush Limbaugh seem middle of the road.

[pippendagimp]

I just thought it was ironic. Alan Keyes would make Rush Limbaugh seem middle of the road.

Alan Keyes and hillaroid should get together and have a luv child - A genetic experiment taking up the alleles of quite possibly the two most irritating creatures on the planet.

Maybe Monsanto can patent the progeny and use it to Roundup (TM) Guantanomo prisoners out of their silence by annoying them into tortuous confession.

[Drexlerfan22]

My answer: not Clinton. I'm cool with Obama or McCain.

[IROC it]

Beats a half-trillion dollar war with 3,900 dead (and rising), based on **** intel and a bad exit strategy: also on "our tax dime." And which is worse, ignoring the old Bin Laden or giving him a branch office with a bunch of new proteges?


This ^ is what is known as a denial of the facts, and a snowballing effect that comes from not dealing with the ORIGINAL facts...

If Bill does his job instead of having one on the side, we never have all of these other things you act as if were 100% voluntary and concocted.

Were there Al Q's in IRAQ? Yes. Proven fact.

step back

Who perpetrated the violence of 9/11/01 against the US? Al Q's. Yes. Proven Fact.

step back

For years on end, during the Clinton presidency, the Al Q's gained confidence in their ability to attack US targets without much response if any. Yes. Proven Fact.

step back

Somewhere in the midst of all of the attacks on US embassies, US military installations, US Navy ships, and even US landmarks (that would later be completely destroyed), Bill was paying more attention to a White House intern and her chubby cheeks. Yes. Proven Fact.

step back

Slick Willie had a history of certain things that the "right side" saw as questionable all along, but that the "left side" said "cut him a break" on... Things like affairs, strange business dealings. Yes. Proven Fact.

step back

Ross Perot's run for the presidency in both of Bill Clinton's runs allowed a POTUS to be elected with a mid-40's percentage of the popular vote, lowest in decades. Yes. Proven Fact.

step back

Republican "sheep" that fell in line tried to warn folks to vote the party line in order to keep the right people in office that would be best for National Security and stay on task. Yes. Proven Facts.

step back

The "right" side has been holding to basically the same values for decades on end, while the "left" has gone farther and farther away from the center... thus by default, make the "right" closer to center than the "moderates" of the left side. Yes. My opinion... but a compelling one.


Bill said one thing that I have never disagreed with.

"There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be fixed by what is right with America."

I agree. And the "right" has never moved. It still works. It is still what is right, correct if you will, with America.

If it used to look like this:
LEFT----------CENTER----------RIGHT

It now looks like this:
LEFT-----------------------------CENTER----------RIGHT

[pouhe]

Somewhere in the midst of all of the attacks on US embassies, US military installations, US Navy ships, and even US landmarks (that would later be completely destroyed), Bill was paying more attention to a White House intern and her chubby cheeks. Yes. Proven Fact.


Blaming 9/11 on an illicit affair that happened five years earier is dumb and wrong. Especially since the Republican Congress was just as distracted abusing the Independent Counsel law, "on our tax dime."


Slick Willie had a history of certain things that the "right side" saw as questionable all along, but that the "left side" said "cut him a break" on... Things like affairs, strange business dealings. Yes. Proven Fact.


But somehow after four years the only thing Ken Starr could "convict" Clinton of was cheating on his wife, two years after his investigation started.

[IROC it]

I'm just stating facts.




Bill Clinton was impeached.

[London'sBurning]

Getting a blowjob while married < Starting a war that shouldn't have begun in the first place. Should we go back to Reagan's presidency and place the blame on him for 9/11?

[pouhe]

I'm actually fine with all three, although I can see the same risks with all of them that everyone else does. Obama's the only one I "trust" to end the war, but he's just so green. He really reminds me of Carter, in that I don't think he would be anywhere near the Presidency if the incumbent wasn't so unpopular. I admire McCain's frankness, but that might make it impossibe for him to govern with a Dem Congress. Hillary's polarizing nature might actually create a Republican Congress.

[AroundTheWorld]

Since the question was who one would prefer, I voted in the poll...even though I don't have a vote :). I'll admit that my vote is based on somewhat limited exposure to actual debates between the candidates and possibly based on who I find the most likeable. My second choice would be McCain, I just can't stand Hillary.

[rockbox]

Young people like Obama because they are more idealistic, less cynical, and don't value experience(because they have less) as much as the old folk.

[Invisible Fan]

Young people like Obama because they are more idealistic, less cynical, and don't value experience(because they have less) as much as the old folk.

My friends consider me a cynical dark humor type of guy, and I support Obama.

[DaDakota]

62%....WOW......

DD

[nyquil82]

Given that none of these candidates are even remotely close to Bush at all, we can firmly say that the anti-Bush camp won the country way before the actual election even started.

[mc mark]

Given that none of these candidates are even remotely close to Bush at all...

maybe, maybe no?

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=3518830&postcount=2

[DaDakota]

But with such a stong vote how is Hillary even in this?

DD

[weslinder]

So we ended up with the three most anti-Constitution potential candidates, and now I have to mark a preference. Please understand that as a Republican Precinct leader, I will be conducting get-out-the-vote efforts for Republicans (including McCain), and I will likely cast my vote for the Libertarian Party candidate.

I think McCain will be most dangerous, with his promise of 100-year wars, complete lack of any sense on the economy, and now back-tracking on torture. He has been the biggest opponent of free-speech in his tenure as Senator, and he is an angry, intractable personality who will breed resentment many on both sides of the aisle in Congress as well as among foreign leaders. It is a sad state of the current Republican Party that they stand to nominate an unelectable candidate who doesn't stand for many traditionally conservative values, just because he does so well in the media.

Obama is rhetorically the most dangerous. His near-universal health-care, universal college education, and forced community service proposals sound more like feudalism to me than what our founders fought for. He has promised even higher corporate tax rates, which will put our country at an even worse competitive advantage on the global scale. He is the staunchest supporter of globalism among the 3 "remaining" candidates, and he has recently rail-roaded legislation through to put the full weight of UN social programs on the backs of US taxpayers. He did have a strong record on civil liberties in Illinois, so that puts him marginally ahead of John McCain, but not by much. He also supports nationwide bans on semi-automatic weapons and concealed carry (despite its great track record), and would be our most anti-gun candidate ever.

Clinton should be viewed as the lightweight Barack Obama. Other than re-introducing her truly universal healthcare plan that the American people soundly rejected in 1993, her proposals are mostly scaled back versions of what Obama wants. She wants to punish the wealthy and corporations, but less than Obama, she is a globalist, but not to the same degree, and she's anti-gun, but not as much so. Her personality makes her hard to deal with, but she's sensible.

I prefer her to the other two for one reason, and one reason alone. She is the most populist candidate left. She cares what people think more than McCain or Obama. Just like Bill, she will adapt her Presidency to the polls. And Populism in this country means very slightly left of center. She'll abandon her crippling Healthcare proposal when the full opinion of the American people reject it again. She'll bring the troops home if the American people call for it. She'll reject expansion of NAU-type partnerships if there is a public uproar. I certainly don't think we can have improvement under a Hillary Clinton administration, but she is our best hope for it not getting significantly worse.

[M&M]

DaDakota, clearly this page is a sample of the entire nation in your eyes. It is safe to say however that it is only a sampling of a percentage of the Clutchfans community. And it should noted that this page is not in the habit of conducting scientific polls.

[Buck Turgidson]

Still undecided b/t McCain & Obama.

[rocketsjudoka]

DD- I would vote for you over any of the three (seriously)

I am trying to figure out how to do a write in with electronic machines. :)

DD would make a great VP for Tinman. ;)

[rocketsjudoka]

They have not seen the internet? j/K :D

More likely they are too busy doing real work to do a clutchcity poll midday.

That's true. I've been working 80 hour weeks.

[rocketsjudoka]

I'm already on record as supporting Clinton. I like Weslinder's analysis and my assessment of the candidates is somewhat similar. There are many things that I like about all three and many things I don't like or distrust about all three. On the issues I'm closer to McCain than Obama (or Clinton's) stated positions on the economy and very much agree with McCain on issues of free trade. Since I am a cynic and know something about Clinton's history part of the reason why I support her more than Obama is that I think she won't stick with her rhetoric on trade and will actually continue supporting free trade as she has done in Congress and as the Bill Clinton Admin. did. Not knowing enough about Obama I don't know how he might govern in that regard.

Where the biggest difference on issues that I have with McCain is on national security and civil liberties. Also given his conservative record and kowtowing to the religious right I am very concerned about where he is on social issues. Those issues will keep me from voting for him in the general election.

Even though I'm an admitted cynic I will say that we have some very good candidates in this election and all three are better than GW Bush or John Kerry.

[Deckard]

1a - Obama
1b - Clinton
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9.5 - McCain


If the country elects another Republican President in 2008, after 8 years of the worst President in my memory (and I remember Ike. Not well, but I remember him), all I can assume is that the country has had a collective mental breakdown.




Impeach Bush.

[StupidMoniker]

If the country elects another Republican President in 2008, after 8 years of the worst President in my memory (and I remember Ike. Not well, but I remember him), all I can assume is that the country has had a collective mental breakdown.
You understand that we would not be electing the same president, and that GWB is not exactly representative of Republican ideology right?

[Invisible Fan]

If the country elects another Republican President in 2008, after 8 years of the worst President in my memory (and I remember Ike. Not well, but I remember him), all I can assume is that the country has had a collective mental breakdown.




Impeach Bush.

There are some who believe that the next presidency will be a one-termer and will get rocked hard from the follies of the current admin (economy, debt, Iraq, etc...)

[mc mark]

You understand that we would not be electing the same president, and that GWB is not exactly representative of Republican ideology right?


I have no idea why people think this. Even McCain's campaign staff and advisors are referring to a McCain presidency as "the third term." McCain will do nothing but continue the failed policies of the last eight years. All indications point to this.

[Deckard]

You understand that we would not be electing the same president, and that GWB is not exactly representative of Republican ideology right?
Well, mc mark said it better than I could. The American people, after taking their sweet time, finally figured out that Bush was a liar, a foreign policy disaster, and ultimately has done tremendous damage to the American economy. With the eager, willing participation of the formerly GOP controlled Congress. Realizing they have been duped for years, the backlash in November is going to make '06 look like a picnic for the GOP. They are going to be hammered at the polls. McCain, who used to be considered pretty independent within the GOP and at odds with Bush, has been busy joining himself at the hip with both Bush and his policies. I really think he's going to be a Bob Dole type of speedbump this Fall.

Be prepared for huge Democratic gains in Congress and Obama winning the White House. You might want to put in a good supply of Valium. ;)



Impeach Bush.

[rocketsjudoka]

There are some who believe that the next presidency will be a one-termer and will get rocked hard from the follies of the current admin (economy, debt, Iraq, etc...)

I've had that feeling too and that is one of the concerns that I have with Obama. Obama has run a campaign that based on change but he might find himself being hamstrung by the mess we are in now. If Obama wins I get the feeling there will be a sharp letdown when Obama can't fulfill on his rhetoric.

[StupidMoniker]

Be prepared for huge Democratic gains in Congress and Obama winning the White House. You might want to put in a good supply of Valium. ;)
That's it, I'm moving to Canada.
*StupidMoniker is informed that Canada is the Democrats wet dream for what America could be*
Damn it. :(

[pgabriel]

Exactly. I think there are a lot of people out there who want to prove they are good little humans and vote for Obama so everybody knows that they aren't racist. Ridiculous.


wow first forray into this thread and I find it veeeeeeery surprising you're again the first person to bring up race. so how do you feel about the ohio voter article you posted?

[weslinder]

That's it, I'm moving to Canada.
*StupidMoniker is informed that Canada is the Democrats wet dream for what America could be*
Damn it. :(

Switzerland, StupidMoniker. The Swiss don't know who their President is, they only recently joined the UN and still refuse full membership, and they have a great, relatively independent economy. Only 5% of their electricity comes from fossil fuels, so if we have a real worldwide oil shortage, they will be particularly well positioned for the future.

[rocketsjudoka]

Switzerland,

Plus their women are HAWT!

[StupidMoniker]

Plus their women are HAWT!
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e238/StupidMoniker/hingis.jpg