Subway Series almost here...

[The Cat]

How about those Mets? I know a lot of people outside of NY don't like the idea of a Subway Series, but I sure do. Imagine the excitement and the intensity of the World Series this year. I'm looking forward to this WS more than any I can remember. The Yankees won't lose two at home- they will get in. Should make for one great series. My pick: Mets in 6!

GO METS!

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[The Cat]

By the way, how ironic is it that Mike Hampton is NLCS MVP?

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[mc mark]

Ugh! I think I'm going to have to go and ralph!

That triple A team from Queens in the series? They don't deserve to carry the Yankees jock strap.

Bring it on! GO YANKS!!!

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[SmeggySmeg]

Not really a world series, which international TEAMs were involved in the competition.

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[The Voice of Reason]

well since the TORONTO blue jayus have won the series in the past. it is actually international.

i agree WORLD is a little much. maby we should play the champ of the japanese leagues

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[Rockets R' Us]

Yea, why is that? Why do they always call them the "world" champions? NBA "world" champions, The "world" series....why??

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Francis out top, 9 seconds on the clock, he gives a no look pass to Cuttino Mobley, 4 seconds left, Mobley passes to an open Langhi in the corner with 1 second left! Langhi at the buzzer.......YES!!! How Sweet It Is!!

[mc mark]

Come on guys! Don't you know the USA is the center of the universe?

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[RocketMan Tex]

Just goes to show you that the teams with the highest payrolls, no matter where they are located, are the ones that make it to the World Series. Ya gotta spend the dough if ya wanna go.

I wonder if Drayton ever reads these threads!

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[davo]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - this is the start of the end for major league baseball.

Here is my model of salaries & revenue distribution to promote equity, competition and profit incentive amongst baseball teams.

1. NO direct revenue sharing. If the Yankees can make millions more off a local TV contract, good luck to them.
2. Salary cap set with a minimum and a maximum, calculated as a percentage of gate receipts, national TV and merchandise.
3. A percentage of ALL other revenue gets given to the players association to split up based on performance (or whatever criteria they deem appropriate) between the players
4. All left over revenue goes to the owners

The advantages are:-
1. Equity amongst payrolls
2. Owners still have incentive to pursue profits through means other then gate sales, national tv and merchandise
3. Players get normal salary plus they get to divvy up extra cash. It puts the onus on them to distribute fairly.
4. Every world series from now until 2025 won't be between teams from New York and LA




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[SirCharlesFan]

I'm really excited about the subway series, I'd like to see it go seven. That would be absolutely awesome.

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[Lynus302]

For the first time in my life, I am semi-excited about a World Series. This one should be very cool and I hope to all hell that the Yankees do NOT win.

Davo---
I couldn't agree more. Baseball needs a freakin' cap to keep it interesting. Eventually, they'll drop the "World" and call it the High-Roller Series.

Go Mets!

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[SamCassell]

Yuck! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/frown.gif

The worst thing about the subway series is having to hear about the disparity in salaries. I am so sick and tired of clubs using the "uneven playing field" as an excuse for mediocre play. To me it doesn't matter whether they are right or wrong about the role that salary disparity plays. Yes Minnesota's been bad. Montreal's been bad. Florida was real good, then bad based on payroll (they were pretty good this year on $20 million salary). NY, NY, Atlanta, etc. can get away with making bad decisions because they can afford to cover them up by buying another player. But I am tired of the defeatist attitude taken by alot of clubs because they can't compete with the big boys. And the NY series is just going to contribute to that. I would have loved to see Oakland or SF make it.

Reason #2 for hating the subway series is the arrogance of Mets fans really annoys me. Yeah, Yankee fans are arrogant - but they've won alot of titles, and have contributed to their stash of titles recently. What cause do Mets fans have to spout off? 1986 was a long time ago...

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[wrath_of_khan]

I refuse to watch even one nanosecond of a Subway Series.

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[wrath_of_khan]

Thought this was pretty good:

The horror, the horror: M's must save mankind
By Jim Caple
Special to ESPN.com

The Seattle Mariners are civilization's last hope.

If the Mariners do not win Tuesday and Wednesday, the earth will stop spinning on its axis, continents will rip apart, the oceans will empty their basins, zombies will roam the earth and Alan Greenspan will raise long-term interest rates. But none of that will compare to the greatest terror of all, a horror of unspeakable magnitude: the dreaded Subway Series.

Like nuclear war, humanity has lived with the dark mushroom cloud of a possible Subway Series for decades, praying that the almost unimaginable would never occur following the disarmament of New York when the Dodgers and Giants left for the West Coast. We survived the near miss in 1985 when the Yankees and Mets both threatened to reach the playoffs in the same season. We survived last year when the Yankees easily whipped the Red Sox and the Mets rallied to force a sixth game against Atlanta in the National League playoffs.

The danger mounted yet again this summer before everyone breathed a sigh of relief in September when things finally started looking up. The Yankees lost their final seven games and 12 of their final 15. The Mets finished in second place and lost the first game of their Division Series with the Giants. "Cats" closed.

But the Doomsday Clock has never been as close to midnight as it is right now. The Mets guaranteed their spot in the World Series with Monday's victory over the Cardinals and the Yankees need just a victory in Game 6 -- with El Duque on the mound, no less -- against Seattle to complete the circuit and finalize the first all-New York City series since 1956.

Already, Hillary Clinton's advisors are debating whether the U.S. Senate candidate should profess herself a lifelong Mets fan or a lifelong Yankees fan.

While the rest of free world cowers in fear, New Yorkers prepare for the final seal to be broken. There aren't enough chiropractors in the world to treat all the strains New Yorkers will suffer from patting themselves on the back.

The tabloids were filled with Subway Series stories and headlines before the Yankees-Mariners series even began, so just imagine what it will be like should the Yankees advance. The media tsunami for a Subway Series will make fans long for the restrained week leading up to the Super Bowl. Even as you read this, Regis Philbin is lining up Jeffrey Maier as his very special guest host for the week.

And the post-series fallout will be even worse, causing a nuclear winter that could choke off all life on the planet, sort of like how Tim McCarver sucks all oxygen out of the Fox broadcast booth.

Are you ready for the David Justice guest appearance on "Friends"? The Benny Agbayani beanie baby? Tell-all biographies from both Bobby J. and Bobby M. Jones?

Oddly, the world's final hopes rely on a lifelong New Yorker, Mariners Game 6 starter John Halama, but this New Yorker is one fans can cheer. Born and raised in Brooklyn, Halama says he only went to Shea Stadium once before pitching there as a rookie and never went to Yankee Stadium before pitching there with the Mariners.

Nor is he the only New Yorker enlisted to rescue humanity. Mariners designated hitter Edgar Martinez, the team's dignified heart and soul, was born in New York before being whisked away to the protection of Puerto Rico. Alex Rodriguez, the best shortstop in baseball and soon to be the Mother of All Free Agents, also was born in New York before growing up in Miami. Manager Lou Piniella played, managed, general managed and broadcasted with the Yankees.

It won't be easy -- the Yankees have never lost a postseason game when El Duque took the mound -- but should the Mariners win Tuesday and again Wednesday, they will reach the World Series for the first time and earn the undying gratitude of the species.

And should the Mariners lose? In that case, I suggest you liquidate your investment portfolio, stock up the nonperishable foods and make sure you have a deadbolt on the fallout shelter. It's going to be a long, miserable winter of New York self-love, an offseason salvaged by only one thing.

At least Kathie Lee is off the air.

Jim Caple is the national baseball writer for the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, which has a web site at www.seattle-pi.com. (http://www.seattle-pi.com.)



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[RocketsPimp]

I haven't really thought much about a Subway series, so now I am torn between my favorite AL team and my favorite NL team(after the 'Stros)!!

Gotta stick with my boys....GO YANKS!!!


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[moestavern19]

Subway mmmmmmmmmmmm im hungry

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[Desert Scar]

If Seattle doesn't come through, is there any way that both teams could lose in the finals?

So another NY team will likely win another United States-Canadian Four A Professional Baseball Seasonal Competition, no biggie.

[This message has been edited by Desert Scar (edited October 17, 2000).]

[R0ckets03]

GO YANKEES!!!!!!!

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[outlaw]

I want Hampy to get a ring.
He's a classy guy.

[JayZ750]

My pick is New York in six.

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[RocketsPimp]

Yankees in 5 baby!!!

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[PhiSlammaJamma]

This bites. The only thing to root for is Hampton.

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[mc mark]

GOOD MORNING YANKEE FANS!!!!!!

Its a beautiful day in the City!!!!

GO YANKS!!!!!

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[dc sports]

This is going to be one of the best World Series in a long time.

I'm with Jay. New York will take it all with four wins. http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/wink.gif

Just kidding -- Go Yankees!!

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[Azim da Dream]

Let me just say that I hate the Yankees with a passion.

But with that said, this is the first World Series in 7 years that I am actually genuinely excited about. It should be exciting. Could there be a "friendly" riot?

Mets in Six!!!

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[The Voice of Reason]

as far as salery cap complaints go, i think its silly. a salery cap is not working in basketball. look at portland, LA, NY. all these teams got so much mony they dont care about cap room. and with revenue sharing it only gives a chance for owners to do nothing, loose every game, and still profit.

the big bucks will always attract the best players(they arnt stupid you know) also big media attracts players. so NY will always be good at every sport. with 17 million fans there is no doubt it is the #1 media market. hell half of you houstonites are cheering for them to win. i even saw some "my yanks" comments here. who wouldnt want to be part of that organization.

the history is attractive in boston, NY. the press is pretty good in SF, LA, atlanta NY. so who the hell wants to play in detroit. not me. who wants to live there??? not me.

the league wants to add a team im Monteray mexico. i think this is a god thing making it more of a WORLD series, but Monteray is not NY by any means. also it will atract many spanish speaking players.

what if the league allows a team in the dominican republic. they would have all the best players playing for less. be well under the cap, and un stopable.

there are tons of problem in sports. but they are ever changing. who knows how expanding the league would change things, and who knows if salary caps would work?

all i know is that this is actually exciting nationally. alot more so than the battle of the bay a few years back.

GO NY. the best city in the world!!
im gonna go see me a game or two

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[SamCassell]

How can you offer blatent homerism in one sentence "NY is the best city in the world. Im gonna go see me a game or 2" and then say the series is appealing nationally? If you live in NY, how would you know how people feel in LA or Denver or Minnesota or, well, anything west of the Apple?

And the salary cap in hoops does seem to bring an element of sanity. Esp. with the maximum salaries - the Grizzlies know that they won't be outbid by the Knicks for Abdur-Rahim's services in a few years. He could leave for other reasons but not on a strictly salary basis. Have you SEEN Portland or Dallas or NY win a championship since the 70s? And by somewhat reigning in the growth in salary, we don't constantly have to hear about the championship being sold to the highest bidder. Which we will, when the Yankees beat the Mets (and then sign Manny Ramirez in the offseason).

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[Rocketman95]

Voice,

The salary cap works fairly well in the NBA, but it works exceptionally in the NFL.

It's easy to be against the salary cap if you're a Dodger, Yankee, Met, Brave, etc. fan. Try being against it if you live in Pittsburgh, Montreal, or Minneapolis.

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[davo]

The Voice of Reason:
as far as salery cap complaints go, i think its silly. a salery cap is not working in basketball. look at portland, LA, NY. all these teams got so much mony they dont care about cap room.
How can you say it is not working? San Antonio won in 1999 and Indiana competed for the title this yeat - both small market teams. Besides, the big markets cannot just outbid everyone like they can in Baseball, becuase there is a MAXIMUM amount anyone can offer.

...and with revenue sharing it only gives a chance for owners to do nothing, loose every game, and still profit.
I specifically excluded revenue sharing from the argument. You can have parity and fair competition without revenue sharing - just limit the amount teams can spend on players.


the big bucks will always attract the best players(they arnt stupid you know) also big media attracts players. so NY will always be good at every sport.
No they aren't stupid, but if there are rules in place that prevent one team from offering more money than another, then NY can't buy all the good players and WON't be the best at every sport (look at the NFL and the NBA). As far as I know, baseball is the only sport that NY dominates and it is purely because of the salary disparity reasons I present.

.. with 17 million fans there is no doubt it is the #1 media market. hell half of you houstonites are cheering for them to win. i even saw some "my yanks" comments here. who wouldnt want to be part of that organization.
That will always be an issue - some players will still accept less money to go somewhere that gives them more exposure, but most will go to a team that will pay them more, hence promoting parity.

the history is attractive in boston, NY. the press is pretty good in SF, LA, atlanta NY. so who the hell wants to play in detroit. not me. who wants to live there??? not me.
Cool, should we just disband all those pro franchises now then?

what if the league allows a team in the dominican republic. they would have all the best players playing for less. be well under the cap, and un stopable.
There is no cap, that is the problem. Besides, all the good domincan players would go and play for teams that would pay them more.

there are tons of problem in sports. but they are ever changing. who knows how expanding the league would change things, and who knows if salary caps would work?
Well, you'll never know unless you try something. Just because you don't know how something will turn out isn't reason enough to discard it. What we DO know is that baseball cannot survive in its present form.

all i know is that this is actually exciting nationally. alot more so than the battle of the bay a few years back.
Unquestionably it is exciting nationally, but it won't last long if it keeps happening. Seriously though, you cannot get around the fact that the winner will have "bought" the world series. Is not the sense of victory somewhat diminished?

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[JCBlazersGirl33]

This subway series has families DIVIDED here in the Metropolitan area. I have a friend who was asked to move out by his own dad because he was a Yankees fan and the rest of the family were Muts, er , Mets fans and their arguments were getting nastier and nastier. It's rediculous but soo fun. I expect some brawls to happen. It's gonna be war, GO YANKEES I WANT ANOTHER PARADE!funny quotes:
"Mets fans bring gloves to the game hoping to catch foul balls. Yankees fans bring bats to the game hoping to catch Mets fans."
"Yankee Stadium is full of pride, history, tradition. Shea is full of airplane fumes."
-Elvis Duran

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[Desert Scar]

Is New York even the best city in New York???? Umm, Buffalo, Syracuse, Rochester,....umm, well ok, New York is the best city in New York!!!

[RocketsPimp]

Originally posted by RocketsPimp:
Yankees in 5 baby!!!




Sometimes I hate being right.....but not this time!

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