Popovich is a whiny baby!

[jogo]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3239478

No class.

Come on. Just because you don't like how the trade MAY hurt your team's chances in the playoffs doesn't mean you have to throw a big fit. Uneven trades happen all of the time in the L, he just wants to single this one out b/c Gasol went to the Lakers. Remember when the Spurs gave up Rodman for a bag of donuts? I bet the rest of the league really appreciated that one. Get Pop some warm milk and rock him to sleep.

[DaDakota]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3239478

No class.

Come on. Just because you don't like how the trade MAY hurt your team's chances in the playoffs doesn't mean you have to throw a big fit. Uneven trades happen all of the time in the L, he just wants to single this one out b/c Gasol went to the Lakers. Remember when the Spurs gave up Rodman for a bag of donuts? I bet the rest of the league really appreciated that one. Get Pop some warm milk and rock him to sleep.

Or holding out David Robinson when he was healthy to get a shot at the number one pick...Tim Duncan.....


Translation to Pop's comments "Wah wah wah...I really wanted to win a back to back championship, just once...wah wah wah.


DD

[B-Bob]

I love Iavaroni's response. "I don't read into anyone else's comments..."

LOL. What exactly is between the lines in Pop's comments?

Iavaroni is all class. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3239478)

[A_3PO]

I agree with the point of what he said. That trade was unconscionable.

[Matchman]

Just because no GM and coach dare to say the truth and Pop said it, that doesnt mean he is a whiny baby.

dont you agree this is one of the most lopsided trades in NBA history? and someone in the Grizzlies has the audacity to say they arent dumping contracts...

[SuperStar]

When was the last time a star calibur was traded for a known scrub?

[RocksMillenium]

Just because no GM and coach dare to say the truth and Pop said it, that doesnt mean he is a whiny baby.

dont you agree this is one of the most lopsided trades in NBA history? and someone in the Grizzlies has the audacity to say they arent dumping contracts...


Ummm, no, the most lopsided trade would be the Rockets trading Roy Rogers for Scottie Pippen. And yes, he's a whiny baby. Maybe this GM should "dare to say the truth" about how he held David Robinson out so they could get Tim Duncan. This trade is FAR from the most lopsided deal in history. It's idiotic to even make that comment. Popovich is just coming off like a baby because he hates the fact that the Lakers have emerged as a contender in the West. Where was he to complain about the Garnett deal? Or the Shaq to Miami deal? Or even the Shaq to Phoenix deal?

[RocksMillenium]

When was the last time a star calibur was traded for a known scrub?

Pippen to the Rockets for Roy Rogers. Plus, people conveniently ignore the capspace Memphis saved and the draft picks they gained. How about Barkley being traded to Phoenix for Hornacek, Perry and god knows who else? It happens.

[MemphisX]

Or how about the fact that Gasol is not a star.

Well, he wasn't in Memphis. Somehow the exact same player that pussed around the league the last 7 years is now great.

I am guessing if we would have traded Gasol to Minnesota for Theo Ratliff this trade would not be so harshly judged.

[Groogrux]

I don't see the big deal. He expressed his opinion about a trade.

[R0ckets03]

Who was Baron Davis traded for?
Who was Allen Iverson traded for?

[rocketsregle]

The New Jersey Nets said the Grizzlies had better offers. Their President, Rod Thorn said this:

"Pau Gasol, [the Grizzlies] were looking for expiring contracts, period. They had seven better offers than [what] they took. They were looking for expiring contracts. We don't have one of those." (http://www.northjersey.com/sports/Nets_show_no_magic.html)

[Carl Herrera]

Or how about the fact that Gasol is not a star.

Well, he wasn't in Memphis. Somehow the exact same player that pussed around the league the last 7 years is now great.

I am guessing if we would have traded Gasol to Minnesota for Theo Ratliff this trade would not be so harshly judged.

If it's not the homer for the crap team coming in to try and justify his crap team's crap decision.

This is what happens when you have a dumbass team in a random city with no fans.

[Matchman]

Ummm, no, the most lopsided trade would be the Rockets trading Roy Rogers for Scottie Pippen. And yes, he's a whiny baby. Maybe this GM should "dare to say the truth" about how he held David Robinson out so they could get Tim Duncan. This trade is FAR from the most lopsided deal in history. It's idiotic to even make that comment. Popovich is just coming off like a baby because he hates the fact that the Lakers have emerged as a contender in the West. Where was he to complain about the Garnett deal? Or the Shaq to Miami deal? Or even the Shaq to Phoenix deal?

LoL its idiotic for u to NOT read by post. i said its ONE of the most, not THE most.
the TWolves net a quality big man and the suns got a hall of famer who would be dangerous if motivated. how can i describe Kwame Brown? He is neither a quality big man nor is he motivated.
they are moving Gasol simply to dump contracts, but i think the Rockets alone can make a better offer for a border-line allstar POST PLAYER than the lakers. AND some teams out there are so desperate for a low post player, its very hard for me to imagine no other teams can come up with a better deal than Kwame + picks

[conquistador#11]

until the day that we meet again, I will consider popovich an ally. thank you for scola.

[Air Langhi]

Or how about the fact that Gasol is not a star.

Well, he wasn't in Memphis. Somehow the exact same player that pussed around the league the last 7 years is now great.

I am guessing if we would have traded Gasol to Minnesota for Theo Ratliff this trade would not be so harshly judged.

A 20-10 guy should be able to get you more than two low first round picks.

[MemphisX]

A 20-10 guy should be able to get you more than two low first round picks.


So where was the out rage when Zach Randolph was handed to New York? For less than what we got for Gasol even...

[v3.0]

Pfffftttt.... :rolleyes:

If Pops had the chance to get Pau for bags of peanuts, he'd do the trade in a heartbeat also.

The fact is the Spurs don't have the pieces to make a big trade without giving up any of their Big 3, and Pops is just being a hypocritical whiny biatch cause he knows repeating this year is getting to be more and more of a remote chance with the rest of the West getting stronger, not to mention later seasons when the Spurs will get older and older.

[MemphisX]

The New Jersey Nets said the Grizzlies had better offers. Their President, Rod Thorn said this:

"Pau Gasol, [the Grizzlies] were looking for expiring contracts, period. They had seven better offers than [what] they took. They were looking for expiring contracts. We don't have one of those." (http://www.northjersey.com/sports/Nets_show_no_magic.html)

Is this the same GM whose team is dying on the vine as we speak. Maybe he should have dumped contracts before giving $60 million to Vince Carter and keep a kung fu grip on Jason Kidd just so they can have the pleasure of getting their brains beat out by the Celtics, IF they even make the playoffs.

[Carl Herrera]

Is this the same GM whose team is dying on the vine as we speak. Maybe he should have dumped contracts before giving $60 million to Vince Carter and keep a kung fu grip on Jason Kidd just so they can have the pleasure of getting their brains beat out by the Celtics, IF they even make the playoffs.


Translated: This guy must be lying because he is associated with a losing team.


Chris Wallace, on the other hand, is a trustworthy winner!

[Air Langhi]

So where was the out rage when Zach Randolph was handed to New York? For less than what we got for Gasol even...

ZR had negative trade value. His team got a better just because he wasn't there anymore. I don't think of Pau as a cancer please correct me if I am wrong.

[A_3PO]

So where was the out rage when Zach Randolph was handed to New York? For less than what we got for Gasol even...
Are you serious? Get real! The Blazers want Z-Bo off that team almost under any circumstances. Are you unfamiliar with his long history of problems, which accelerated when they gave him the long-term contract? They owed him $61MM, traded him for Steve Francis who was only owed $35MM, who they bought out for about $31MM. Get it now? It's the equivalent of buying out Randolph at 50 cents on the dollar, which is one of the smartest moves they've ever made. Ever hear of addition by subtraction?

Don't even try to compare Z-Bo to Pau. Makes no sense at all. One is a complete knucklehead that only an idiot like Zeke wanted. The other guy was wanted by a bunch of teams since last season.

[Clutch]

Funny watching MemphisX downplay Pau Gasol the player now that he's been traded. Isn't this the same guy who booked that Gasol would be better than Yao? The board is riddled with defenses of Pau from him. Oh well, we saw the same flip-flopped evaluations of Stro and Battier, so shouldn't expect less.

Just accept that Memphis was on the wrong end of an extremely lopsided deal because your owner was in cost-cutting mode. The Las Vegas Sizzlies has a nice ring to it.

[KingCheetah]

His comments are accurate -- that trade would be killed in a fantasy league.

[AroundTheWorld]

I feel the same way as Popovich about this one, and I like that someone in the league spoke out about it.

Now, obviously, Pops had his own issues with the whole holding out Robinson so they can get Duncan thing, so...

[v3.0]

Funny watching MemphisX downplay Pau Gasol the player now that he's been traded. Isn't this the same guy who booked that Gasol would be better than Yao? The board is riddled with defenses of Pau from him. Oh well, we saw the same flip-flopped evaluations of Stro and Battier, so shouldn't expect less.

Just accept that Memphis was on the wrong end of an extremely lopsided deal because your owner was in cost-cutting mode. The Las Vegas Sizzlies has a nice ring to it.
He'll prolly be asking for a moniker change soon...OkieX or WayneNewtonX is my guess... :D

[rhino17]

In all fairness, that trade was a complete joke. Pau Gasol an all-star type player for Kwame Brown, one of the biggest busts in nba history :confused:

[rezdawg]

Memphis will be 17 million under the cap next year as a result AND they will have 2 extra first round draft picks.

Great way to start rebuilding around Gay.

[saleem]

I feel the same way as Popovich about this one, and I like that someone in the league spoke out about it.

Now, obviously, Pops had his own issues with the whole holding out Robinson so they can get Duncan thing, so...
Look at this way,if the Rockets needed to get Gasol to become a championship caliber team no one would be talking that was unfair.
This post is not a defense for his shortcomings but just a theoretical argument.
I'm glad the Rockets aren't complaining about it. They have to do their best irrespective of what's going around the league.

[sbyang]

Chris Wallace is a whiny baby, he made a terrible trade and doesn't like getting criticized for it, goes into the media and says "show your face" to his critics. Now a 4 time world champion coach is coming out and saying he's a moron, what do you have to say now Wallace. Wallace shouldn't have tried to defend that terrible trade, just tell the truth, your owner forced you to do it because he's trying to sell the team, just like what happened in that Vin Baker trade you made.

[Carl Herrera]

Memphis will be 17 million under the cap next year as a result AND they will have 2 extra first round draft picks.

Great way to start rebuilding around Gay.

1. They won't actually use the cap space. They are simply going to cut salary.

2. Is Rudy Gay someone worth rebuilding around?

[George Gervin]

Or holding out David Robinson when he was healthy to get a shot at the number one pick...Tim Duncan.....


Translation to Pop's comments "Wah wah wah...I really wanted to win a back to back championship, just once...wah wah wah.


DD


Such a tired lie.. do you even know what your talking about? Or are you one of those non thinking parrots?

[durvasa]

Someone asked him his opinion, and he's being honest. I like it, particularly since the Memphis GM challenged others to state their opinion publicly.

[George Gervin]

Pfffftttt.... :rolleyes:

If Pops had the chance to get Pau for bags of peanuts, he'd do the trade in a heartbeat also.

The fact is the Spurs don't have the pieces to make a big trade without giving up any of their Big 3, and Pops is just being a hypocritical whiny biatch cause he knows repeating this year is getting to be more and more of a remote chance with the rest of the West getting stronger, not to mention later seasons when the Spurs will get older and older.


I hav e a feeling pop sleeps well at night..

[pippendagimp]

I just want to state that I will never forget the occasion that MemphisX came into our GARM hours after it had been reported Bob Sura was injured, and then proceeded to mock and taunt Rox fans in gloating fashion for our loss. Deep down inside he is as Troll as can be.

[MONON]

I think most people are pi$$ed about other teams being able to offer more in the way of draft picks & expiring contracts including the Rockets. However I don't think Memphis would have traded Gasol to a division rival. Just as I really don't think they'll trade Mike Miller to us even if the offer included Carl Landry and Arron Brooks(both of which I personally don't want to trade).

[Carl Herrera]

I think most people are pi$$ed about other teams being able to offer more in the way of draft picks & expiring contracts including the Rockets. However I don't think Memphis would have traded Gasol to a division rival. Just as I really don't think they'll trade Mike Miller to us even if the offer included Carl Landry and Arron Brooks(both of which I personally don't want to trade).


Memphis does not have division rivals.

Crap teams like that have no division rivals.

[devin23]

In my opinion, Mike D'antoni is an even worse whinner.

[igotask8board]

Memphis will be 17 million under the cap next year as a result AND they will have 2 extra first round draft picks.

Great way to start rebuilding around Gay.


Sure, start thinking of the future. I know one thing, the playoffs are nowhere near their future.

[saleem]

1. They won't actually use the cap space. They are simply going to cut salary.

2. Is Rudy Gay someone worth rebuilding around?
I don't think Gay is a potential star but I do feel that he is worth keeping on the team.
I don't think any star player will want to come there to play even if they use the cap space.
A couple of solid role players + a very good player from the draft is the maximum that they can get IMO.

[v3.0]

I hav e a feeling pop sleeps well at night..
Ahhhh, isn't that sweet, a past spurs hero monikered member backing up Pops... Go Spurs Go! go to an early exit from the Lakers or Suns in the playoffs this year...teehee

[MemphisX]

Funny watching MemphisX downplay Pau Gasol the player now that he's been traded. Isn't this the same guy who booked that Gasol would be better than Yao? The board is riddled with defenses of Pau from him. Oh well, we saw the same flip-flopped evaluations of Stro and Battier, so shouldn't expect less.

Just accept that Memphis was on the wrong end of an extremely lopsided deal because your owner was in cost-cutting mode. The Las Vegas Sizzlies has a nice ring to it.

Don't just make up stuff. I never said Swift would be great and I told you Battier was average. I said Pau was as good as Yao 3 -4 years ago and he was but don't think for a minute I didn't want this or felt it was the right move. Heck, I was on board before the trade (http://3shadesofblue.blogspot.com/2008/01/time-for-some-action.html) and knew what kind of deals were going to be available for him (http://3shadesofblue.blogspot.com/2008/02/five-bags-of-magic-beans-for-pau-gasol.html) unless you wanted to take on some bad contracts.

Clutch, tell me how does cutting costs and trading Gasol make the team more attractive to sell? Nobody ever has an answer for that question. Hey but keep on keeping on, I am sure Houston is locked and loaded for another playoff flop.

[SirCharlesFan]

Assuming Memphis does actually spend all of the money they cleared with this trade. When is the last time an impact player has outright signed with a new team? The NBA collective bargaining agreement is clearly designed to keep teams with their current team (Bird rights.).

In recent history, I can think of guys like Chauncey Billups (who only initially signed in Detroit for the MLE -- would not need to clear cap), Gilbert Arenas (odd situation, 2nd rder coming from a bad team), Steve Nash, and Ben Wallace moving teams in free agency.

I'm sure there are more guys I'm forgetting, but I don't think many impact guys move from their current team to another in the existing structure of the NBA. It makes it even harder when the team is really bad and in an extremely small market. I like Memphis and enjoy visiting the city, but it's not a place that guys are clamoring to live in as NBA pros.

[saleem]

Don't just make up stuff. I never said Swift would be great and I told you Battier was average. I said Pau was as good as Yao 3 -4 years ago and he was but don't think for a minute I didn't want this or felt it was the right move. Heck, I was on board before the trade (http://3shadesofblue.blogspot.com/2008/01/time-for-some-action.html) and knew what kind of deals were going to be available for him (http://3shadesofblue.blogspot.com/2008/02/five-bags-of-magic-beans-for-pau-gasol.html) unless you wanted to take on some bad contracts.

Clutch, tell me how does cutting costs and trading Gasol make the team more attractive to sell? Nobody ever has an answer for that question. Hey but keep on keeping on, I am sure Houston is locked and loaded for another playoff flop.

I don't know if the Rockets are going to make the playoffs or not but I know Memphis is relying on getting the future Greg Oden,Dwight Howard,Lebron James etc to bail them out. Even if they do get a player of that class it's going to take time before they get out of this mess.

[SirCharlesFan]

Clutch, tell me how does cutting costs and trading Gasol make the team more attractive to sell? Nobody ever has an answer for that question. Hey but keep on keeping on, I am sure Houston is locked and loaded for another playoff flop.

Are you serious? Using your own logic, this was a good trade for Memphis, correct? You've gone on and on about how it benefits the long term future of the Grizzlies. If it's a good trade, then why would it NOT make it more attractive to sell? It's blatantly obvious what makes getting rid of Gasol does for an owner trying to sell the Grizzlies. Simply put, the Grizzlies have never made a yearly profit in their time in Memphis. Heisley is not making money while holding onto the team. By having less salaries to pay, it's more likely, in the short term, that the team loses less money (attendance in Memphis can't get much worse, can it?) by paying less salaries. That in and of itself makes the team more attractive to a potential purchaser. They will have the ability to come in and start from scratch....all while having LESS financial obligations. This could drive up the selling price of the Grizz. Pretty simple, right?

I think I've probably been less critical of this trade than anyone else on this board. I don't think this was a GOOD trade, but not really a terrible trade for the Grizz. The outrage with this trade is that Gasol got sent to the Lakers. Point blank. People would NOT be bashing this trade nearly as much had they gotten the exact same deal from, say, Sacramento or Charlotte. Most fans and NBA personnel are just pissed because the Lakers are now a big threat to win the title for many years to come.

[A_3PO]

I think I've probably been less critical of this trade than anyone else on this board. I don't think this was a GOOD trade, but not really a terrible trade for the Grizz. The outrage with this trade is that Gasol got sent to the Lakers. Point blank. People would NOT be bashing this trade nearly as much had they gotten the exact same deal from, say, Sacramento or Charlotte. Most fans and NBA personnel are just pissed because the Lakers are now a big threat to win the title for many years to come.
The outrage is that Pau was sent to a borderline contender for almost nothing when better deals (talent-wise) were there to be made. The outrage would have also been big if the Spurs, Magic, Celtics, etc would have involved.

[George Gervin]

Ahhhh, isn't that sweet, a past spurs hero monikered member backing up Pops... Go Spurs Go! go to an early exit from the Lakers or Suns in the playoffs this year...teehee


ahh isn't it obvious that when called on their uninformed comments they backpeddle..cute!!

[Carl Herrera]

Don't just make up stuff. I never said Swift would be great and I told you Battier was average.


It's funny, isn't it. How the loss of an avergage player-- and a few even less significant pieces (which other recent ex-Grizz are playing a greater role than Battier does right now for their current teams?) caused the team to go from at least in the playoffs to crap.

[MemphisX]

Are you serious? Using your own logic, this was a good trade for Memphis, correct? You've gone on and on about how it benefits the long term future of the Grizzlies. If it's a good trade, then why would it NOT make it more attractive to sell? It's blatantly obvious what makes getting rid of Gasol does for an owner trying to sell the Grizzlies. Simply put, the Grizzlies have never made a yearly profit in their time in Memphis. Heisley is not making money while holding onto the team. By having less salaries to pay, it's more likely, in the short term, that the team loses less money (attendance in Memphis can't get much worse, can it?) by paying less salaries. That in and of itself makes the team more attractive to a potential purchaser. They will have the ability to come in and start from scratch....all while having LESS financial obligations. This could drive up the selling price of the Grizz. Pretty simple, right?

I think your reasoning is like most, they think people are paying $300+ million for an NBA team as an investment. It is and it isn't. However, there is a difference in stripping it down to nothing and trying to get salaries in line to be fiscally responsible. Since the Grizz have been in Memphis, Heisley has been paying the luxury tax. That is just not a position the Grizzlies can be in, especially for a team barely making the playoffs or out of the playoffs altogether. Unfortunately, we couldn't give Swift away and Brian Cardinal is untradeable also. However, less salaries does not drive up the price of an NBA team. Good players do.

I think I've probably been less critical of this trade than anyone else on this board. I don't think this was a GOOD trade, but not really a terrible trade for the Grizz. The outrage with this trade is that Gasol got sent to the Lakers. Point blank. People would NOT be bashing this trade nearly as much had they gotten the exact same deal from, say, Sacramento or Charlotte. Most fans and NBA personnel are just pissed because the Lakers are now a big threat to win the title for many years to come.

I agree.

I think people are jumping the gun on the evaluation before seeing what the Grizzlies do with their cap space.

[MemphisX]

It's funny, isn't it. How the loss of an avergage player-- and a few even less significant pieces (which other recent ex-Grizz are playing a greater role than Battier does right now for their current teams?) caused the team to go from at least in the playoffs to crap.

It happens. However, being in the playoffs and losing time and again in the first round is not really saying much...is it. ;)

[saleem]

It happens. However, being in the playoffs and losing time and again in the first round is not really saying much...is it. ;)
Being in the lottery isn't saying much either.

[Franchise3]

However, less salaries does not drive up the price of an NBA team. Good players do.

But if you don't have good players, potential buyers would rather see less salary so they can mold the team to their content while not taking such a big financial hit.

[v3.0]

ahh isn't it obvious that when called on their uninformed comments they backpeddle..cute!!
Who's backpedaling? (spelling isn't a strong point with Spurs fans huh?) Certainly not me when I said Pops is a hypocritical whiner who would do that deal also if he had the parts to do it.

Let me spell it out for slow people (ie. Spurs fans):

Pops is a hypocritical whiner because if he had the opportunity to trade trash (the rest of the team outside the big 3) for Pau, he would do it also. He also knows the Spurs will get slapped around in the playoffs because of the trades, that's why he's b1tching and moaning. D-o....y-o-u.....u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d.....n-o-w?

[Jugdish]

You people have no faith in Kwame Brown?!

[ParaSolid]

Memphis should have traded him to the East. That's just a dumbass move on their part, they basically helped create another elite team in the West. Thanks a lot, Chris Wallace.

[ParaSolid]

It happens. However, being in the playoffs and losing time and again in the first round is not really saying much...is it. ;)

How about you win a playoff game first, my man? ;)

[YallMean]

Gasol is a star. He proved it in the World's game. Outside him, who else Griz got right in the short Franchise history? Wasted a 2nd draft pick on Swift? 10 mil or so on MM? The Gasol trade is a salary dump, pure and simple. It wont benifit Memphis unless you draft well or pick up a good free agent, which are very unlikely. At the end of the day, it is a mistake for NBA to set a team in Memphis that doesnt want to compete.

[T-mac&Yao=RING]

I don't think Gay is a potential star but I do feel that he is worth keeping on the team.
I don't think any star player will want to come there to play even if they use the cap space.
A couple of solid role players + a very good player from the draft is the maximum that they can get IMO.

You never know Gay could be a star. No one thought that T-Mac was going to be a star when he was traded to the Magic.

[jakedasnake]

When was the last time a star calibur was traded for a known scrub?

http://sportswrap.berecruited.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/baron%20davis.jpg

[saleem]

You never know Gay could be a star. No one thought that T-Mac was going to be a star when he was traded to the Magic.
I think he is going to become a very good player, but possibly just short of an all star because his ball handling ability isn't of a high caliber. But I admit I might be wrong.

[TheFreak]

Ummm, no, the most lopsided trade would be the Rockets trading Roy Rogers for Scottie Pippen.

That was a sign-and-trade. Pippen was going to sign with the Rockets anyway; the Rockets just made it a trade so Pippen could get more money I believe.

This Laker deal is the most lopsided since Spanoulis for Scola.

[Clutch]

Don't just make up stuff. I never said Swift would be great and I told you Battier was average. I said Pau was as good as Yao 3 -4 years ago and he was but don't think for a minute I didn't want this or felt it was the right move. Heck, I was on board before the trade (http://3shadesofblue.blogspot.com/2008/01/time-for-some-action.html) and knew what kind of deals were going to be available for him (http://3shadesofblue.blogspot.com/2008/02/five-bags-of-magic-beans-for-pau-gasol.html) unless you wanted to take on some bad contracts.

Why would I make stuff up when the truth is much funnier than fiction in this case. Do a board search for yourself. Battier and Swift were praised as Grizzlies ... they were scrubs when they were Rockets. Pau was always going to be better than Yao -- Gasol was your boy from beginning to end. It's not abnormal for a fan -- it's just funny to watch your bias... that's all.

I am sure Houston is locked and loaded for another playoff flop.

I'd like to see the Rockets make the playoffs before talking about losing them, but a Grizzlies fan talking smack about playoff flops? Your team is 0-12 in the playoffs in the last, like ... ever. I mean, nba.com had to rewrite code to prevent division by zero errors because of Heisley's group. You talking smack on a Rockets board about playoff history is a riot. Houston was winning titles back when your franchise was paying $60-70 million for the right to suck Big Country Reeves' manteet, so please, let's not talk "another" flop.

Clutch, tell me how does cutting costs and trading Gasol make the team more attractive to sell? Nobody ever has an answer for that question.

I'm surprised that you don't see this. SirCharlesFan gave you the answer, you're just not accepting it. Would you rather buy new or used? It's a clean slate for the new owner... no or few long-term contracts, cap space, draft picks, the chance to come in and put his/her mark on the team and decide where to put your money. Not to mention if the Grizzlies were losing millions, as reported, then it makes sense for them to dump salary to make the organization attractive, whether kept or sold.

14 months before they made the Gasol trade Heisley said there was no way they were trading Gasol and <a href="http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/grizzlies/article/0,1426,MCA_475_5176778,00.html">called him their franchise player</a>. 11 months ago, Heisley was specifically asked <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/ian_thomsen/02/20/heisley.interview/index.html">about the rumor/idea that he's trying to dump Pau Gasol's salary to make the team more attractive to buyers</a> and he said it was false.

"If we wanted just to get the cap room, we would call Chicago right now, and they could get me $10-15 million under the cap," said Heisley. "Why not make that trade if we're looking to clear salary?"

And yet, here we are after he just made a salary dump move. And I mean it's not like Heisley didn't try to sell the team before, and I highly doubt he stopped wanting to sell it. With no known buyers talking and the poor ticket sales in Memphis, anything can happen ... even if it's tough/unlikely for an NBA team to move.

So no one knows for sure what is going to happen, but if I were you I'd consider a new wireless plan.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/stuff/cf_vancouvemphisegas.jpg

[tim562]

Why would I make stuff up when the truth is much funnier than fiction in this case. Do a board search for yourself. Battier and Swift were praised as Grizzlies ... they were scrubs when they were Rockets. Pau was always going to be better than Yao -- Gasol was your boy from beginning to end. It's not abnormal for a fan -- it's just funny to watch your bias... that's all.



I'd like to see the Rockets make the playoffs before talking about losing them, but a Grizzlies fan talking smack about playoff flops? Your team is 0-12 in the playoffs in the last, like ... ever. I mean, nba.com had to rewrite code to prevent division by zero errors because of Heisley's group. You talking smack on a Rockets board about playoff history is a riot. Houston was winning titles back when your franchise was paying $60-70 million for the right to suck Big Country Reeves' manteet, so please, let's not talk "another" flop.



I'm surprised that you don't see this. SirCharlesFan gave you the answer, you're just not accepting it. Would you rather buy new or used? It's a clean slate for the new owner... no or few long-term contracts, cap space, draft picks, the chance to come in and put his/her mark on the team and decide where to put your money. Not to mention if the Grizzlies were losing millions, as reported, then it makes sense for them to dump salary to make the organization attractive, whether kept or sold.

14 months before they made the Gasol trade Heisley said there was no way they were trading Gasol and <a href="http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/grizzlies/article/0,1426,MCA_475_5176778,00.html">called him their franchise player</a>. 11 months ago, Heisley was specifically asked <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/ian_thomsen/02/20/heisley.interview/index.html">about the rumor/idea that he's trying to dump Pau Gasol's salary to make the team more attractive to buyers</a> and he said it was false.

"If we wanted just to get the cap room, we would call Chicago right now, and they could get me $10-15 million under the cap," said Heisley. "Why not make that trade if we're looking to clear salary?"

And yet, here we are after he just made a salary dump move. And I mean it's not like Heisley didn't try to sell the team before, and I highly doubt he stopped wanting to sell it. With no known buyers talking and the poor ticket sales in Memphis, anything can happen ... even if it's tough/unlikely for an NBA team to move.

So no one knows for sure what is going to happen, but if I were you I'd consider a new wireless plan.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/stuff/cf_vancouvemphisegas.jpg


Clutch, your a riot!! :D

[cuneo77]

Or holding out David Robinson when he was healthy to get a shot at the number one pick...Tim Duncan.....


Translation to Pop's comments "Wah wah wah...I really wanted to win a back to back championship, just once...wah wah wah.


DD

amen on the duncan pick,even if robinson was that hurt, the rest of the team wasnt that bad...

[richirich]

Ummm, no, the most lopsided trade would be the Rockets trading Roy Rogers for Scottie Pippen. And yes, he's a whiny baby. Maybe this GM should "dare to say the truth" about how he held David Robinson out so they could get Tim Duncan. This trade is FAR from the most lopsided deal in history. It's idiotic to even make that comment. Popovich is just coming off like a baby because he hates the fact that the Lakers have emerged as a contender in the West. Where was he to complain about the Garnett deal? Or the Shaq to Miami deal? Or even the Shaq to Phoenix deal?

Yes we did get screwed on that trade didn't we? :D

[professorjay]

It's funny, Pop mentioning a trade committee. It's ridiculous and far fetched, but in the business world this trade would immediately lead to an investigation of collusion.

And Pop jumping on this same deal if he could does not make him a hypocrite. I thinking it was pretty clear he thought the move by Memphis was ridiculous, not the move by L.A.

[igotask8board]

Like Clutch said, Memphis was losing money with Gasol as their franchise/star player (and the lack of [post]season success), but with the Lakers he not only makes them "contenders", he brings in a lot more revenue.

I can only imagine how much cash the Lakers forked over to the Grizzlies to land Gasol. People only see Kwame and some scrubs in this trade, I see Kwame's salary paid at least 10-15x over.

With that said, there should be a limit to how much cash can be dealt in an NBA trade.

[finalsbound]

Houston was winning titles back when your franchise was paying $60-70 million for the right to suck Big Country Reeves' manteet, so please, let's not talk "another" flop.


that's some funny sh!t right there...

[igotask8board]

I just checked Kwame's salary on hoopshype. He is getting paid $9 million! Who the hell gave him that contract?

I thought he was getting paid $7 million. So, about $60-$75 million cash was dealt, and $52 million in savings from Gasols contract.

[bucket]

Like Clutch said, Memphis was losing money with Gasol as their franchise/star player (and the lack of [post]season success), but with the Lakers he not only makes them "contenders", he brings in a lot more revenue.

I can only imagine how much cash the Lakers forked over to the Grizzlies to land Gasol. People only see Kwame and some scrubs in this trade, I see Kwame's salary paid at least 10-15x over.

With that said, there should be a limit to how much cash can be dealt in an NBA trade.

I think there is a limit, around 3 million dollars or so.

[igotask8board]

I looked up cash limits on a lot of basketball sites, and I don't think there is one.

If there is one, which would make a lot of sense, do you have a link?


...any chance of getting cash underhand/or the league allowing the Lakers to accept more than the limit (if there is one), in this case due to all the losses Memphis has reported and what they gave up in this trade?

[George Gervin]

Who's backpedaling? (spelling isn't a strong point with Spurs fans huh?) Certainly not me when I said Pops is a hypocritical whiner who would do that deal also if he had the parts to do it.

Let me spell it out for slow people (ie. Spurs fans):

Pops is a hypocritical whiner because if he had the opportunity to trade trash (the rest of the team outside the big 3) for Pau, he would do it also. He also knows the Spurs will get slapped around in the playoffs because of the trades, that's why he's b1tching and moaning. D-o....y-o-u.....u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d.....n-o-w?


Wow you really are dumb..I was referring to the 'lie' that the spurs tanked the season to get Duncan.... should I use bigger font for you next time? or should i just slow down?

[v3.0]

Wow you really are dumb..I was referring to the 'lie' that the spurs tanked the season to get Duncan.... should I use bigger font for you next time? or should i just slow down?
You're the dumbass with the reading comprehension problem, not me. You can't even follow and remember your own replies to others in a thread:

How do you mix up the letters that combine together to make the word DaDakota to v3.0? The hamster fell asleep inside your head? I should cyber slap you for insinuating that.Or holding out David Robinson when he was healthy to get a shot at the number one pick...Tim Duncan.....


Translation to Pop's comments "Wah wah wah...I really wanted to win a back to back championship, just once...wah wah wah.


DD
your whiny Pops-like defensive response to him:Such a tired lie.. do you even know what your talking about? Or are you one of those non thinking parrots?

My post that I still stand by:Pfffftttt.... :rolleyes:

If Pops had the chance to get Pau for bags of peanuts, he'd do the trade in a heartbeat also.

The fact is the Spurs don't have the pieces to make a big trade without giving up any of their Big 3, and Pops is just being a hypocritical whiny biatch cause he knows repeating this year is getting to be more and more of a remote chance with the rest of the West getting stronger, not to mention later seasons when the Spurs will get older and older.
Your lame comeback to my post:I hav e a feeling pop sleeps well at night..

Please go back to 3rd grade (I'm giving you more credit then you deserve by assuming you passed 3rd grade) and relearn basic reading comprehension.

[George Gervin]

great job on cutting and pasting quotes. I bet that took a real long for someone like you. :rolleyes: