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MayoRocket
02-04-2008, 10:02 PM
While the TOFs and YOFs are strangling each other in the post-game analysis, I'm more concerned that it looks like Yao's very heavy minutes thus far have taken a bit of a toll. Yao's competing as hard as ever, but he's even missing free throws. When you're a great free throw shooter, and you start mssing, it's got to be tired legs.

Maybe it was a blessing in disguise that TMAC missed so many games, as his legs should be fresh.

If we hadn't dug ourselves such a hole with our record, RA could be monitoring Yao's minutes a bit more to keep him fresh for later in the year.

Hopefully Yao will start the ASG and then sit most of it. He needs the rest.

I'm worried, are you guys?

Blake
02-04-2008, 10:04 PM
Watching the last couple of games, I have noticed him looking sluggish out there as well. He is either tired or in a shooting slump. He never seemed to command the ball in the post tonight, which would also mean he has tired legs.

I hope he takes it easy. All Star games are usually really uptempo so I doubt he plays a lot if he doesn't want to.

We need him bringing his A-game if we are going to do some damage

wireonfire
02-04-2008, 10:05 PM
Yao should fake an injury or illness. He'll be exhausted just because of media engagement alone if he goes there.

bloop
02-04-2008, 10:08 PM
no

we cant just dust off yao for the playoffs. big man has it harder than most any player in the NBA but that doesn't mean he doesn't have to power through the season like any NBA player

he'll be fine. second wind after all star break. if not. well there's nothing we can do about it we dont have the luxury of resting yao. sometimes you have no choice. you just gotta MAKE it work

YugoRocketsFan
02-04-2008, 10:08 PM
We have 4 home games and then All-Star break, so no traveling for Yao Ming, and hes gonna be ready for All-Star game, rest some more and then be ready for action.

rocketsregle
02-04-2008, 10:16 PM
Maybe it's not the minutes that have affected him but being sick during a do or die stretch without Tracy. Recovering from the flu can drain and weaken a person.

cdrive
02-04-2008, 10:17 PM
While the TOFs and YOFs are strangling each other in the post-game analysis, I'm more concerned that it looks like Yao's very heavy minutes thus far have taken a bit of a toll. Yao's competing as hard as ever, but he's even missing free throws. When you're a great free throw shooter, and you start mssing, it's got to be tired legs.

Maybe it was a blessing in disguise that TMAC missed so many games, as his legs should be fresh.

If we hadn't dug ourselves such a hole with our record, RA could be monitoring Yao's minutes a bit more to keep him fresh for later in the year.

Hopefully Yao will start the ASG and then sit most of it. He needs the rest.

I'm worried, are you guys?


my foucaultian bahktinian beaker just went off. there is an agenda behind this post. i mean, why else would someone post criticism of yao's minutes when the rockets win, but yao has a sub-par night?

were on the road. yao's fatigue issue want born yesterday. RA is running them hard.

newsflash. yao ming is a human being not a clockwork orange. if yao ming says "hey coach i need a breather", fricken rose peddles are thrown on the ground to greet him as he heads to the gatorade cooler.

another newsflash. yao ming is young. really young. he plays an "im 8 ft tall game" not an "i need to jump out of the building and out-run you game"


no i'm not worried. yao is a professional athlete. you have coaches, lawyers, business anaylsts, agents, marketing gurus, fellow teammates, international consolates, and dr. king stuff of fork mountain the third himself making sure that the rockets get the right amount of minutes out of yao every game.

Glacier
02-04-2008, 10:20 PM
I'm pretty sure that Yao played through flu in the game vs Warriors. He felt good in that game. But his energy was obviously drained after that game. He will be fine.

Maybe it's not the minutes that have affected him but being sick during a do or die stretch without Tracy. Recovering from the flu can drain and weaken a person.

t_mac1
02-04-2008, 10:27 PM
if he's tired already, how is he going to be able to grind through the playoffs if we have any goals of advancing?

yao is going to play 35+ mins in the playoffs against brutal competition trying to double/triple/front and physically overwhelm him.

and btw, i don't think it's fatigue. the greatest sign of fatigue for yao is inability to catch his breath and putting his arms on his knees. he hasn't done any of those.

it's just focus.

durvasa
02-04-2008, 10:29 PM
I think his minutes should be scaled back. We've got Scola, Landry, and Chuck to sub in for him ... all three are capable. Yao should not be playing more than 35 minutes in most games.

MayoRocket
02-04-2008, 10:42 PM
my foucaultian bahktinian beaker just went off. there is an agenda behind this post. i mean, why else would someone post criticism of yao's minutes when the rockets win, but yao has a sub-par night?


I can only assume by this you somehow think I'm a YOF/Yao apologist or some such nonsense. Right.

Let's get it straight: Yao got his ass KICKED 2 nights in a row. He hasn't played well since the GSW game. Fatigue is definitely a factor. Jefferson played really really well. Bogut played way better than he usually does. But on offense, Yao looks slow, even by his standards. Plus, he's not making FTs. To me, that means tired legs.

Yeah, you gotta power through it, and yeah everybody goes through it. But we are in a crucial point of the season, and we are barely winning. TMAC has basically carried us the last 3 games.

We need more out of Yao. Do I think he'll catch his 2nd win? Yeah, but hopefully it won't cost us before he does.

Asian Sensation
02-04-2008, 10:54 PM
"When the goin gets tough..... the tough get going." That statement couldn't be more true. I'm sure Yao is tired but so is every other superstar in the league who plays heavy minutes. This is no time to be resting or not giving it his all. We are in a very precarious part of the season in terms of fighting for a playoff birth. I'm sure the big man is tired but remember Hakeem while fasting during Ramadan. Heart of a Champion no resting!

mac_got_this
02-04-2008, 10:57 PM
I'm startin to wish Camby did get tha nod over him so yao could rest.

Rocketeer
02-04-2008, 10:59 PM
I ' am extremely concerned about Yao and the amount of minutes he's been playing. If we make the playoffs hes going to be exhausted.

ROXTXIA
02-04-2008, 11:03 PM
I don't think he's all that tired.

I think he's fallen into second-tier mode now that Tracy is back. Our stars need to learn to mesh their games. If they don't, then we're in trouble.

snc
02-04-2008, 11:07 PM
I don't think he's all that tired.

I think he's fallen into second-tier mode now that Tracy is back. Our stars need to learn to mesh their games. If they don't, then we're in trouble.

I'm not disagreeing or trying to be overly negative, but, it's pretty said we are <i>still</i> waiting for them to mesh..

Sweet Lou 4 2
02-04-2008, 11:08 PM
I ' am extremely concerned about Yao and the amount of minutes he's been playing. If we make the playoffs hes going to be exhausted.

I think he looks fine. He's tired because of 3 games in 4 nights. The whole team is tired. Probably everyone watched the superbowl together too.

People need to stop looking at short term trends and reading too much.

Yao is fine. He played fine, Al jefferson was just on a mission and played a great game. Sometimes that happens.

snc
02-04-2008, 11:09 PM
pretty sad*

pryuen
02-04-2008, 11:09 PM
Posters/people always suspected Wang Meng of Titan Sports fabricated stories and made something out of nothing.

He reported that almost 9 days ago about Yao Ming was already feeling his physical strength reserves fastly depleted due to long play minutes.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=3409246&postcount=1

Blake
02-04-2008, 11:10 PM
I'm not disagreeing or trying to be overly negative, but, it's pretty said we are <i>still</i> waiting for them to mesh..

They have always played well together. I just think this season, TMac has been hurt and Yao has been in a funk the last few games

Classic
02-04-2008, 11:17 PM
Posters/people always suspected Wang Meng of Titan Sports fabricated stories and made something out of nothing.

He reported that almost 9 days ago about Yao Ming was already feeling his physical strength reserves fastly depleted due to long play minutes.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=3409246&postcount=1

Yeah, I'm not liking Rick Adelman keeping him in there for the entire first quarter and then a couple minutes into the second quarter. I think Adelman should follow JVG's substitution pattern and bench him with about 2 minutes left in the first quarter and bring him back at the 8 minute mark in the 2nd quarter. I know Yao has better stamina this year than in the past but you can tell he isn't as quick as he was earlier in the year. I saw a play where he could have easily gone for a loose ball in the first quarter but was real slow at reacting to it and bending down to pick it up and got stripped. He also got no lift on his shot when he was block by Jefferson in the 2nd quarter. He needs to rest some.

AzNaNsZ
02-05-2008, 05:32 AM
yea im really concerned especially with his free throws he really needs rest

metalshred
02-05-2008, 05:43 AM
Yao needs break. Fatigue can be the only reason that his free throw shooting % is down, and MUST be the only reason that he's outplayed by centers such as Andrew Bogut.

Bogut is a great player, but he should never out play Yao.

Jelle
02-05-2008, 05:56 AM
He indeed needs some rest and fully recover because he's definetly tired, drained or whatever. A big reason why we only just won the last few games because Yao's underperforming. If he's fully healthy again we're definetly going to beat some teams big.

Purvis2Short
02-05-2008, 06:39 AM
Yao is a professional basketball player folks......He gets paid millions to do what he does on the court just like every basketball player....Monitor his minutes???? He gets paid to play this many minutes!!! He doesnt get Rafer Alston money or Luther Head type money....he gets paid to grind it out.... I do agree with one previous poster and that is he is deferring to T-Mac......T-MAC would give him the ball if he was playing better....T-MAC always defer to Yao when he is playing well....Lately that hasnt been the case....Yao will snap out of it and they have created a good balance...if the left shoe isnt hurtin ya da right one will....We are all hoping that they both are stepping at the sametime....eventually it will happen and I think this Thursday vs. Cleveland it will!

nyquil82
02-05-2008, 06:48 AM
So if the annual "Yao needs to rest instead of playing in the all-star game" thread shows up less than two weeks before all star break instead of more than two weeks before, does that mean there are six more weeks of winter or is spring around the corner?

Purvis2Short
02-05-2008, 06:50 AM
ha, ha, ha :)

jakedasnake
02-05-2008, 07:11 AM
Yao should fake an injury or illness. He'll be exhausted just because of media engagement alone if he goes there.

Now that I think about it I bet he is still recovering from the flu. It takes awhile for some people to get their strength and conditioning back after fighting off the flu. Hopefully he will get a good rest during the all star break but it would be nice if Adelman can rest Yao a little more. I would have like to see some Scola and Landry playing on the floor together last night. I wish we could have Yao play about 34 minutes a game but there are so many games where we can't even afford to put him on the bench.

ReD_1
02-05-2008, 07:13 AM
When you play 3 games in a row away, you might be tired, espacially if you are a big man like him.

Definently fatigue, he has 3 days to rest until next home game and All-Star break.He's a proffesional, don't worry.

DaDakota
02-05-2008, 07:21 AM
Yes he struggled a bit, but that is why it is a TEAM game.

DD

superx
02-05-2008, 08:07 AM
Our familiar YAO will come back at next homegame.He was just homesick because this long-road journey.

Angkor Wat
02-05-2008, 08:16 AM
If the increased minutes are the problem for his recent play, don't expect Yao to come up BIG in the playoffs if he continues to get those minutes. Hopefully, he doesn't burn out. So far, it doesn't look good. That is, if his recent play is contributed to fatigue caused by more minutes.

EssTooKayTD
02-05-2008, 08:20 AM
I think he may be a little tired, but not too much. I expect him to come back strong soon. He always seems to. He's too good.

blender
02-05-2008, 08:39 AM
Scola could probably use a little break too, what with playing through the summer and then adjusting to the NBA grind.

Rockza
02-05-2008, 08:48 AM
Posters/people always suspected Wang Meng of Titan Sports fabricated stories and made something out of nothing.

He reported that almost 9 days ago about Yao Ming was already feeling his physical strength reserves fastly depleted due to long play minutes.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=3409246&postcount=1

I understand that, but would you make the same excuses for TMac or any other Rockets if they had bad games?? TMac does play a lot of minutes every night as well. Anyways... no one is blaming Yao the way a lot of you blames TMac for every bad game he has. Bad games happens! Now if you remember this also when TMac doesnt have a good game, then this board would be so peaceful lol

MayoRocket
02-05-2008, 10:32 AM
I think he looks fine. He's tired because of 3 games in 4 nights. The whole team is tired. Probably everyone watched the superbowl together too.

People need to stop looking at short term trends and reading too much.

Yao is fine. He played fine, Al jefferson was just on a mission and played a great game. Sometimes that happens.

It's precisely because of the long term that I posted what I did. With either TMac or Yao playing well, we can still win on any given night as we've shown the last few games. But that won't get us anywhere in the post-season. Both guys gotta play great, I don't think anyone will disagree with that.

I can't agree that Yao played fine. He looks slow, he hasn't been fighting as hard for position, etc. Hopefully it's just a funk. Fortunately, McGrady has been ballin' the last few games.

We'll see how Yao plays vs. the Cavs. Maybe I'm just making a mountain out of a molehill. Hopefully, that's the case.

Blaster
02-05-2008, 11:43 AM
I understand that, but would you make the same excuses for TMac or any other Rockets if they had bad games?? TMac does play a lot of minutes every night as well. Anyways... no one is blaming Yao the way a lot of you blames TMac for every bad game he has. Bad games happens! Now if you remember this also when TMac doesnt have a good game, then this board would be so peaceful lol

Don't be so hateful

It is not fair to compare Yao and other players. He weighted more than 300 lbs and 7"6, and no one else does

RocketTilIDie
02-05-2008, 12:13 PM
no1 has any reason to be missing FTs...i dont see how any1 in the nba could be a 70% or lower Ft shooter

Rockza
02-05-2008, 03:02 PM
Don't be so hateful

It is not fair to compare Yao and other players. He weighted more than 300 lbs and 7"6, and no one else does

If what I said is hateful, you obviously have not read all the numerous posts and threads about TMac lol. First Yao does average close to as many minutes as TMac. So no I am not making a direct comparison. I just said TMac plays a lot of minutes as well and he is a human who can get tired too. but will any Yao fans think about it when they attack TMac when he plays bad? Nope. Nothing hateful about I wrote.

Rockza
02-05-2008, 03:03 PM
If what I said is hateful, you obviously have not read all the numerous posts and threads about TMac lol. First Yao does average close to as many minutes as TMac. So no I am not making a direct comparison. I just said TMac plays a lot of minutes as well and he is a human who can get tired too. but will any Yao fans think about it when they attack TMac when he plays bad? Nope. Nothing hateful about I wrote.

I meant Yao does not average close to as many minutes as TMac.

Tommy
02-05-2008, 10:07 PM
he didn't take any rest in the summer,I'm really concerned with his stamina

oldyellow
02-05-2008, 10:43 PM
i don't think it's fatigue. the greatest sign of fatigue for yao is inability to catch his breath and putting his arms on his knees. he hasn't done any of those.

it's just focus.

What do you refer is the instantenous fatigue due to intensive activity.

What the others talk about is the chronic fatigue due to long-term exhausting.