View Full Version : My New David Carr Thread
MadMax
12-10-2007, 11:36 AM
Ok, so I did this on the heels of a Texan win so HillBoy can't tell me I'm talking bad about little Davie just to feel better about a Texan loss.
DC is 3rd string in Carolina...behind an undrafted rookie and Methuselah.
How much longer is the guy in the league?
Do the Panthers bring him back next season?
Does he pick up somewhere else??
Does he move on?
updawg
12-10-2007, 11:40 AM
I'm sure the panthers are done with him. There will be some sucker team that will pick him up as a backup. Maybe he could backup Vince?
Jared Novak
12-10-2007, 11:43 AM
Ok, so I did this on the heels of a Texan win so HillBoy can't tell me I'm talking bad about little Davie just to feel better about a Texan loss.
DC is 3rd string in Carolina...behind an undrafted rookie and Methuselah.
How much longer is the guy in the league?
Do the Panthers bring him back next season?
Does he pick up somewhere else??
Does he move on?
I was always one of those guys that wanted to see David Carr succeed, whether it was here in Houston or somewhere else. Carr has been given chances to show that he is a starter in this league and has failed miserably.
IMO Carr will be bounce around the league because he has a rocket arm and there are coaches out there who believe that he got a bum deal in Houston and was injured in Carolina and take a flyer on him.
I'm sure the panthers are done with him. There will be some sucker team that will pick him up as a backup. Maybe he could backup Vince?
OOOOUUUUUUCH. Irony of ironies.
conquistador#11
12-10-2007, 11:46 AM
david can't be cured. I say he will retire and join joel osteen's mission.
It's a sad thing, our previous regime broke and crushed him mentally :(
nWo34Life
12-10-2007, 11:48 AM
He ruined the Texans. Payback's a bitch.
MadMax
12-10-2007, 11:50 AM
He ruined the Texans. Payback's a bitch.
i thought i disliked carr the least in this forum until i read this post. :D
macalu
12-10-2007, 11:54 AM
why does David Carr sucking make you feel better about the Texans' season? mario williams doesn't even have 25 sacks yet and our offense doesn't score 35 points a game.
the fact that you brought it up means you're still stuck on David Carr,blah, blah, blah.
updawg
12-10-2007, 11:56 AM
mario williams doesn't even have 25 sacks yet and our offense doesn't score 35 points a game.
.
is that the criteria for making a carr thread?
MadMax
12-10-2007, 11:57 AM
why does David Carr sucking make you feel better about the Texans' season? mario williams doesn't even have 25 sacks yet and our offense doesn't score 35 points a game.
the fact that you brought it up means you're still stuck on David Carr,blah, blah, blah.
:D
i feel just awful about myself, now.
MadMax
12-10-2007, 11:57 AM
is that the criteria for making a carr thread?
turn your sarcasm meter back up.
Achilleus
12-10-2007, 11:58 AM
Does he move on?
Sure wish someone would...
^_^
leroy420
12-10-2007, 11:58 AM
There's a pretty big shortage of qb's around the league right now. The Texans are one of the few that have the luxury of a good backup. Carr will remain in the league somewhere. Don't know where or how, but he'll still be around. If Tim Couch and George Blanda...I mean Vinny Testaverde... still get a shot every now and then, Carr will, too.
ima_drummer2k
12-10-2007, 12:00 PM
If Tim Couch and George Blanda...I mean Vinny Testaverde... still get a shot every now and then, Carr will, too.
Ironically, both of those guys have more upside than Carr...
Ottomaton
12-10-2007, 12:09 PM
It's a sad thing, our previous regime broke and crushed him mentally :(
People say this but I don't get it at all. He has never been able to read a defense and he still can't. He has never been able to know when to check down, and he still doesn't. He has never known when to get rid of the ball and he still doesn't.
These are not things that can be blamed on coaches. This isn't a case of Jim Everett style shell shock/happy feet where he clearly has been sacked too often and feels rushers coming that aren't there. He still stands in the pocket like a tackling dummy waiting to get sacked while fixated on one receiver. He still doesn't know when it is better to throw the ball away than run out of bounds for a 10 yard loss.
MadMax
12-10-2007, 12:12 PM
Sure wish someone would...
^_^
awesome. i realize this was making fun of me...but it was still funny. :D
weslinder
12-10-2007, 12:18 PM
I think his hair is great!
For the ladies. Of course it is. I wouldn't make a post about David Carr's prettyness for myself.
http://media.charlotteobserver.com/smedia/2007/08/18/16/874-PANTHERS_EAGLES_carr_cpsize.embedded.prod_affiliate.57.jpg
BMoney
12-10-2007, 12:31 PM
He ruined the Texans. Payback's a bitch.
He got sacked a thousand times. I would say he paid plenty.
updawg
12-10-2007, 12:34 PM
Why no use of the gloves in Houston? Was he holding out on us, or was our bad coaching not allowing him to use them?
ima_drummer2k
12-10-2007, 12:38 PM
Max, can't believe you didn't post this:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/899898/pjuss-davidcarr.jpg
nWo34Life
12-10-2007, 12:40 PM
He got sacked a thousand times. I would say he paid plenty.
Who cares if he got sacked a thousand times.....I give the OL 50% of the blame. He was with a better OL last year and majority of the sacks were his fault.
He's the easiest bastard to intercept. He stares down receivers he wants to throw the ball to and LBs/DBs are just waiting to catch a crap ball.
Plus, he doesn't make smart decisions like Schaub - i.e., throwing the ball away when there is no play, not throwing into triple coverage, holding onto the damn ball way too long, etc.
MadMax
12-10-2007, 12:43 PM
Max, can't believe you didn't post this:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/899898/pjuss-davidcarr.jpg
One word:
Sassy.
rhester
12-10-2007, 12:51 PM
Well if anyone asked me for a job reference on Charlie Casserly I would have two words for them.... :cool:
kaleidosky
12-10-2007, 12:55 PM
on topic.. i think he's done. Might get a shot in the preseason the next year or 2... or as a midseason pickup due to injuries. Pretty much, I think his career will follow Tim Couch's post-Cleveland from this point forward.
Ashes
12-10-2007, 12:58 PM
mario williams doesn't even have 25 sacks yet
Wow, is that what you really expected? Players like Michael Strahan, Julius Peppers, or Osi Umenyiora didn't have those kind of numbers, in fact, very few DEs do.
Groogrux
12-10-2007, 01:06 PM
Wow, is that what you really expected? Players like Michael Strahan, Julius Peppers, or Osi Umenyiora didn't have those kind of numbers, in fact, very few DEs do.
Since Strahan holds the single season sack record, if he doesn't do it, no one does.
Regardless, we've signed you up for Sarcasm Detection 101. :D
Blake
12-10-2007, 02:11 PM
I can't imagine anyone wanting to sign him for more that the Vet's minimum, and on top of that I bet he has to earn his spot by playing very well in the preseason.
No way he can perform, so I say he gets signed, cut and retires a millionaire
kyle_talley
12-10-2007, 02:17 PM
the raiders or dolphins would hire anyone..even mike vick
who. CARES? good ****ing night. david carr is gone. the general manager who drafted him is gone. the head coach and two offensive coordinators who coached him are gone. the majority of his teammates are gone.
****ing a, man... when do you plan to post your, "the oilers should have never cut moon and promoted carlson" thread? both have about the same degree of relevancy right about now.
updawg
12-10-2007, 02:20 PM
"the oilers should have never cut moon and promoted carlson"
they totally shouldn't have turned over the postion to Commander Cody
leroy420
12-10-2007, 02:21 PM
on topic.. i think he's done. Might get a shot in the preseason the next year or 2... or as a midseason pickup due to injuries. Pretty much, I think his career will follow Tim Couch's post-Cleveland from this point forward.
Wait...Tim Couch is a point forward? Or, are you calling yourself a point forward? I'm confused.
MadMax
12-10-2007, 02:24 PM
who. CARES? good ****ing night. david carr is gone. the general manager who drafted him is gone. the head coach and two offensive coordinators who coached him are gone. the majority of his teammates are gone.
****ing a, man... when do you plan to post your, "the oilers should have never cut moon and promoted carlson" thread? both have about the same degree of relevancy right about now.
you're totally free to ignore the thread.
who. CARES? good ****ing night. david carr is gone. the general manager who drafted him is gone.
Then excercise your self control and don't click the link.
David Carr is a *huge* piece of this franchise's history. Like it or not, people are going to be interested and will have commentary on his post-Texans career. And, it's *relevant* as far as I'm concerned. It's OK if you disagree--you have the freedom to not click the link.
I mean, Max's post didn't even smack of sour grapes and you guys are piling on. Chill the hell out.
MadMax
12-10-2007, 02:26 PM
Then excercise your self control and don't click the link.
David Carr is a *huge* piece of this franchise's history. Like it or not, people are going to be interested and will have commentary on his post-Texans career. And, it's *relevant* as far as I'm concerned. It's OK if you disagree--you have the freedom to not click the link.
I mean, Max's post didn't even smack of sour grapes and you guys are piling on. Chill the hell out.
As long as it's cool to talk about Tracy Murray in the GARM, this forum is totally open to a David Carr thread. :D
Then ex<b><span style="text-decoration: line-through;">c</span></b>ercise your...
Sheeeeeesh. At least I didn't put, "exorcise".
you're totally free to ignore the thread.
and equally as free to rag on it. seriously, what's the point? do we have scores of "my new jason jennings thread" threads to look forward to starting in march?
he's moved on....
Blake
12-10-2007, 02:30 PM
and equally as free to rag on it. seriously, what's the point? do we have scores of "my new jason jennings thread" threads to look forward to starting in march?
he's moved on....
that's a great idea!
Luckyazn
12-10-2007, 02:31 PM
I Knew his sorry ass SUCKED for the past 5yrs here with us, but couldnt believe SOME OF YOU GUYS was still thinking "give him a chance" in the new system??
He was the 2nd coming on Tim Couch .... BUST!!!
now that he's gone .... you realize he's not even a DECENT BACKUP! but he was once our "FRANCHISE" QB?? haha
MadMax
12-10-2007, 02:32 PM
and equally as free to rag on it. seriously, what's the point? do we have scores of "my new jason jennings thread" threads to look forward to starting in march?
he's moved on....
There isn't a point. I'm curious how long the guy our head coach had the wisdom to wish to extend last season will be in the league at this point.
Look, DC is relevant to the Texans. Because I'm guessing if he were kicking ass in Carolina I'd be hearing about it from you and others here who told me that all he needed was some real weapons and a change of scenery. That was a very lengthy discussion in this forum about his effect on the shortcomings of the Texans.
You can believe he's not relevant all you want...I believe he is...at least so far as understanding the difference of this team from one year to the next.
K mf G
12-10-2007, 02:33 PM
i thought this was going to be a matt shcaub metaphor
and equally as free to rag on it.
Touché.
seriously, what's the point? do we have scores of "my new jason jennings thread" threads to look forward to starting in march?
I can't speak for Max, but as far as I'm concerned I've already stated the point: "David Carr is a *huge* piece of this franchise's history. Like it or not, people are going to be interested and will have commentary on his post-Texans career." You don't have to agree, but there are folks who are interested. Complain about it and criticize it all you like; you're not going to change it. And, it's perfectly natural, really.
And Jennings is a bad comparison. DC was here *five* years, not one. He was the face of the franchise, not a damaged goods starter for whom a popular CF was traded. Nothing similar except that they are both (most likely) done as far as their careers in Houston.
Look, DC is relevant to the Texans.
no, he's not; he's relevant to the carolina panthers (for the next three weeks).
what happens to him after that, unless the texans resign him, continues to be irrelevant.
Because I'm guessing if he were kicking ass in Carolina I'd be hearing about it from you and others here who told me that all he needed was some real weapons and a change of scenery.
and just for the record, anything matt schaub needs moving forward...? think we have enough real weapons? getting pumped for ron dayne's 2008 season? do you think canton is clearing space for ephraim salaam?
if carr had gone to carolina and gone all romo, my level of care would have remained at 0. him succeeding/failing with carolina tells us nothing about him or us. i mean, it's not carolina's undefeated in games without him. they haven't won a home game in how long...?
You can believe he's not relevant all you want...I believe he is...at least so far as understanding the difference of this team from one year to the next.
then i eagerly await your "my new dom capers thread" or your "my new charley casserly thread" - should be good reads.
David Carr is a *huge* piece of this franchise's history.
"history" being the key word. he's gone, and his markings on this team have all but healed or faded away. it was a costless year of rolling the dice.
giddyup
12-10-2007, 02:52 PM
Well if anyone asked me for a job reference on Charlie Casserly I would have two words for them.... :cool:
Middle Management?
updawg
12-10-2007, 02:53 PM
"history" being the key word. he's gone, and his markings on this team have all but healed or faded away. it was a costless year of rolling the dice.
not at all, it defined who we drafted, which impacts the future.
giddyup
12-10-2007, 02:56 PM
who. CARES? good ****ing night. david carr is gone. the general manager who drafted him is gone. the head coach and two offensive coordinators who coached him are gone. the majority of his teammates are gone.
****ing a, man... when do you plan to post your, "the oilers should have never cut moon and promoted carlson" thread? both have about the same degree of relevancy right about now.
Do you have a clue what it means to be a fan? Retrospect, reflection, regret and revision are all allowed... even encouraged!!!!!!
Major
12-10-2007, 03:18 PM
no, he's not; he's relevant to the carolina panthers (for the next three weeks).
He's not relevent to the present-day on-the-field Texans. He is certainly relevant to the history and direction of the franchise. Can we not still discuss Bagwell or Biggio or Olajuwon since they no longer play for the Astros or Rockets? Or Roger Clemens and Pettitte last year?
i mean, it's not carolina's undefeated in games without him. they haven't won a home game in how long...?
8 days. :D
"history" being the key word. he's gone, and his markings on this team have all but healed or faded away. it was a costless year of rolling the dice.
*sigh* I'll refer you to two posts that stated it better than I:
He's not relevent to the present-day on-the-field Texans. He is certainly relevant to the history and direction of the franchise. Can we not still discuss Bagwell or Biggio or Olajuwon since they no longer play for the Astros or Rockets? Or Roger Clemens and Pettitte last year?
Do you have a clue what it means to be a fan? Retrospect, reflection, regret and revision are all allowed... even encouraged!!!!!!
Can we not still discuss Bagwell or Biggio or Olajuwon since they no longer play for the Astros or Rockets? Or Roger Clemens and Pettitte last year?
major... come on. reread the names you just rattled off and then consider david carr...
i recently remarried. but if all i did was post about the ex - her weight gain; her financial failings; et al... would you term that helathy? relevant? how many threads would you endure before dropping a "move along, dude..." on me?
carr, his failings and his impact on this franchise are gone, gone, gone...
i recently remarried. but if all i did was post about the ex - her weight gain; her financial failings; et al... would you term that helathy? relevant? how many threads would you endure before dropping a "move along, dude..." on me?
Sports fandom and marriage couldn't be less relevant. You couldn't find a poorer analogy.
No one made a sacred lifelong agreement with David Carr. He was the face of a football franchise, not Houston's lover.
Major
12-10-2007, 03:56 PM
major... come on. reread the names you just rattled off and then consider david carr...
Consider the history of each franchises. Each of those people I listed, Carr included, were the faces of the franchise and had a substantial impact on the history of the franchise. They didn't have similar levels of success, but they equally defined their franchises.
carr, his failings and his impact on this franchise are gone, gone, gone...
You and I spent half of last season debating others on the Willy T trade and its impact on last season even though he was gone, gone, gone. And Carr's impact on the franchise is far from gone, gone, gone. Just for starters, his failure and the need to replace him cost two draft picks in this past season and coming season. His impact is still being felt.
Whether or not he has a current "impact" on this franchise is utterly irrelevant. If we can talk about Jerry Glanville and Warren Moon and Commander Cody, we can talk about Gary Kubiak, David Carr, and Sage Rosenfels.
Consider the history of each franchises. Each of those people I listed, Carr included, were the faces of the franchise and had a substantial impact on the history of the franchise. They didn't have similar levels of success, but they equally defined their franchises.
and discussions of bagwell, et al, center on the positive impact they made - their accomplishments are worth celebrating and remembering; carr's are not.
You and I spent half of last season debating others on the Willy T trade and its impact on last season even though he was gone, gone, gone. And Carr's impact on the franchise is far from gone, gone, gone. Just for starters, his failure and the need to replace him cost two draft picks in this past season and coming season. His impact is still being felt.
lol - as usual, carr is absorbing a lot more blame than he deserves. kubiak didn't HAVE to spend two picks to replace carr; he could have signed jeff garcia; he could have sent denver a day 2 pick for plummer; he could have used A pick on a QB; he could have named sage rosenfels the starter/place holder............
carr's failure necessitated only that they find a replacement; the amount paid is not on him any more than us giving up picks for say... michael turner or chester taylor will be on ahman green....
willy t, and his absence, were relevant last year as we watched the astros' lead-off hitters sit too often and their defense erode. do you expect "my new wily t. thread"s this year, and if so, will you jump in and bask in them, or dismiss them as hanging on too tightly to a past the team has moved on from...? do we benefit at all from reliving that experience?
msn, lighten up a bit... geez - pretend i meant girlfriend...
macalu
12-10-2007, 04:41 PM
MadMax,
i think you found your new Hillboy.
MadMax
12-10-2007, 05:02 PM
no, he's not; he's relevant to the carolina panthers (for the next three weeks).
what happens to him after that, unless the texans resign him, continues to be irrelevant.
and just for the record, anything matt schaub needs moving forward...? think we have enough real weapons? getting pumped for ron dayne's 2008 season? do you think canton is clearing space for ephraim salaam?
if carr had gone to carolina and gone all romo, my level of care would have remained at 0. him succeeding/failing with carolina tells us nothing about him or us. i mean, it's not carolina's undefeated in games without him. they haven't won a home game in how long...?
then i eagerly await your "my new dom capers thread" or your "my new charley casserly thread" - should be good reads.
This kind of stuff is why you're the only person in all my ridiculous years of hanging out here that's ever graced my ignore list. Because you can't help but be a jackass.
If you hate the thread...or any thread I start...avoid it. If it bothers you or frustrates you in some way...move along. Why you care about the subject matter of my threads, present and future, is beyond me at this point.
It's never enough to merely disagree is it, Ric?
Refman
12-10-2007, 05:03 PM
why does David Carr sucking make you feel better about the Texans' season? mario williams doesn't even have 25 sacks yet and our offense doesn't score 35 points a game.
Mario is 12th in the NFL in sacks with 9.5. That is 4 sacks behind the league leader. With the pace he is recording sacks with the last 3 games, he will probably move up on the list.
That does not take into account his tackles for loss, etc.
RocketJedi
12-10-2007, 05:15 PM
I'll go in a slightly different direction. We should be thanking David Carr, or at least the Texans decision to extend him, for saving us from Vince. And now the Texans have two QB's better than both DC and VY, that and a pro bowl caliber DE. :)
msn, lighten up a bit... geez - pretend i meant girlfriend...
But it's still not the same. This isn't love, dude, it's a football club. A much better analogy would be a marketing department or customer service department in a large company, having a few laughs about days gone by with employees who've left, good and bad.
macalu
12-10-2007, 06:06 PM
Wow, is that what you really expected? Players like Michael Strahan, Julius Peppers, or Osi Umenyiora didn't have those kind of numbers, in fact, very few DEs do.
is that the criteria for making a carr thread?
Mario is 12th in the NFL in sacks with 9.5. That is 4 sacks behind the league leader. With the pace he is recording sacks with the last 3 games, he will probably move up on the list.
That does not take into account his tackles for loss, etc.
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ryan17wagner
12-10-2007, 11:23 PM
He ruined the Texans. Payback's a bitch.
Payback? He's a mulit-millionaire. He'll never have to work again. How is that payback?
Ender120
12-11-2007, 12:36 AM
No one made a sacred lifelong agreement with David Carr. He was the face of a football franchise, not Houston's lover.
You sure about that?
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/899898/pjuss-davidcarr.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/899898/pjuss-davidcarr.jpg
such gorgeous hair.
Mr. Clutch
12-11-2007, 01:02 AM
lol - as usual, carr is absorbing a lot more blame than he deserves. kubiak didn't HAVE to spend two picks to replace carr; he could have signed jeff garcia; he could have sent denver a day 2 pick for plummer; he could have used A pick on a QB; he could have named sage rosenfels the starter/place holder............
......
I think he tried to sign Garcia and Plummer initialy. Garcia chose TB and Plummer retired IIRC.
I thought the Schaub trade was a desperation move. I mean a 2nd round pick can net you a DeMeco Ryans. We gave up TWO 2nd rounders.
Oh well.
hatemavs4life
12-11-2007, 01:32 AM
Muddled Management?
Fixed it for ya! :D
3 blind mice ... see how they run! LOL!
http://radio.weblogs.com/0117471/images/myimages/sarcasm.gif
Brilliant!
ima_drummer2k
12-11-2007, 08:40 AM
why does David Carr sucking make you feel better about the Texans' season? mario williams doesn't even have 25 sacks yet and our offense doesn't score 35 points a game.
Do you really expect him to get 25 sacks a year??????
rhester
12-11-2007, 08:56 AM
I remember people who used to always tell me about the Great Depression... never understood why they wanted to talk so much about,,, well,,, something so depressing...
But I have learned when you have suffered there is a healing found in talking it out...
You know, I still remember the Buffalo playoff comeback... sorry, but David Carr will take a while to forget- he was a bust (by definition)
and he was defended so much as if anyone who thought he was a bust was football stupid (you know if he just had the players, the line, a running game, good coaching etc etc- the only reason I didn't like Carr was because he was a sorry QB and I could see that before the Cleveland loss when it all spiralled downward)
RIP
but never forget :D
No Worries
12-11-2007, 09:43 AM
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MadMax
12-11-2007, 09:47 AM
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dead horse???
just a few weeks back you were still defending him, right? we're just now finding out about how the "if he were on another team with other weapons" argument plays out.
underoverup
12-11-2007, 09:58 AM
any defense of david carr was over when he started wearing white gloves. :D
No Worries
12-11-2007, 10:10 AM
just a few weeks back you were still defending him, right?
I don't recall defending DC, as much as say not defending the OL DC played behind.
As an aside, did anyone else notice that Schaub's early success in this season went south about the same time the rest of the league figured out that our OL still could not pick a blitz. Of course this also meant that Schaub took more hits and started showing nervous feet in the pocket, a la DC.
MadMax
12-11-2007, 10:11 AM
I don't recall defending DC, as much as say not defending the OL DC played behind.
As an aside, did anyone else notice that Schaub's early success in this season went south about the same time the rest of the league figured out that our OL still could not pick a blitz. Of course this also meant that Schaub took more hits and started showing nervous feet in the pocket, a la DC.
Excuses for DC. The idea that he could be successful elsewhere with other weapons. We're seeing now that argument doesn't hold water.
Schaub has been better than DC...even on a team with a battered OL. We've improved at the QB position.
No Worries
12-11-2007, 10:20 AM
Excuses for DC. The idea that he could be successful elsewhere with other weapons. We're seeing now that argument doesn't hold water.
Not really. To restate my DC position ...
It is hard to tell if DC sucks or not, since the OL he played behind was terrible.
At this point in DC's career, he is broken man, thanks to the many years of getting beaten to a pulp.
BTW, I am not sold on Schaub at all. He certainly to date has not shown he can take the beating his predecessor took. I am also not sold on his arm accuracy or strength; he may make the right decisions in the pocket, but his arm fails in execution.
If this make me DC's biggest defender, then so be it ;)
MadMax
12-11-2007, 10:22 AM
Not really. To restate my DC position ...
It is hard to tell if DC sucks or not, since the OL he played behind was terrible.
Well then we're definitely not kicking a dead horse because someone is just now finding out that he does, in fact, suck.
ima_drummer2k
12-11-2007, 10:40 AM
As an aside, did anyone else notice that Schaub's early success in this season went south about the same time the rest of the league figured out that our OL still could not pick a blitz. Of course this also meant that Schaub took more hits and started showing nervous feet in the pocket, a la DC.
Which game did that happen in? The Texans are currently tied for 8th in the league for fewest sacks given up. Compare that with Carr's last year as a Texan (with basically the same OL) when we were tied for 23rd. Or the year before when we were DEAD LAST and 14 sacks given up ahead of the 2nd to last team.
The hit that knocked Schaub out this year was a cheap shot after he threw an interception and had nothing to do with the OL. Any QB would have been knocked out after that hit.
No Worries
12-11-2007, 10:43 AM
Well then we're definitely not kicking a dead horse because someone is just now finding out that he does, in fact, suck.
No argument here, but ...
Jabar "Hands of Stone" Gaffney somehow figured out how to play in the NFL after leaving the Texans. There is always hope for DC that he can pull a Gaffney too. I for one am not holding my breath.
No Worries
12-11-2007, 10:45 AM
The hit that knocked Schaub out this year was a cheap shot after he threw an interception and had nothing to do with the OL. Any QB would have been knocked out after that hit.
That was not the hit that messed up his shoulder.
HillBoy
12-11-2007, 12:16 PM
He ruined the Texans. Payback's a bitch.
Wrong, wrong, W R O N G!!!
Dom Capers, Bob McNair and Charlie Casserly ruined both David Carr AND the Texans. To continue to blame DC for the acts of those three is really starting to look foolish to me. And as for payback, the bitch is still on the Texans until they can put together a winning season. Before you guys go out of your way to snicker at Carr being 3rd string you'd probably want to have the Texans at least get to .500 first.
HillBoy
12-11-2007, 12:24 PM
Ok, so I did this on the heels of a Texan win so HillBoy can't tell me I'm talking bad about little Davie just to feel better about a Texan loss.
DC is 3rd string in Carolina...behind an undrafted rookie and Methuselah.
How much longer is the guy in the league?
Do the Panthers bring him back next season?
Does he pick up somewhere else??
Does he move on?
He's just about finished as a QB in the league. I would be very surprised to see him anywhere else in the league next season. BTW, now you're just being mean and spiteful...
Wrong, wrong, W R O N G!!!
Dom Capers, Bob McNair and Charlie Casserly ruined both David Carr AND the Texans. To continue to blame DC for the acts of those three is really starting to look foolish to me. And as for payback, the bitch is still on the Texans until they can put together a winning season. Before you guys go out of your way to snicker at Carr being 3rd string you'd probably want to have the Texans at least get to .500 first.
I agree that, as you like to call them, the C&C Idiot Factory are who ruined the Texans.
However, we'll never know if they ruined David Carr.
He may very well have been a kinder, gentler Ryan Leaf or another Tim Couch. I find that more believable than the theory that C&C ruined the next Vinny Testaverde, or Trent Green, or Kerry Collins, or whomever Carr may have ended up being like. I'm sure we all have opinions, but to me both scenarios are plausible I'm more inclined to believe Carr wasn't all that special on the NFL level.
MadMax
12-11-2007, 12:50 PM
BTW, now you're just being mean and spiteful...
well, that's the kind of guy i am.
MadMax
12-11-2007, 12:51 PM
Before you guys go out of your way to snicker at Carr being 3rd string you'd probably want to have the Texans at least get to .500 first.
please let us know when it's ok to discuss it. thanks in advance. :D
Groogrux
12-11-2007, 12:52 PM
well, that's the kind of guy i am.
He forgot dumb and naive. :D
MadMax
12-11-2007, 12:52 PM
He forgot dumb and naive. :D
and moronic. and also irresponsible.
ima_drummer2k
12-11-2007, 12:53 PM
He forgot dumb and naive. :D
And my SWORN ENEMY.
MadMax
12-11-2007, 12:54 PM
And my SWORN ENEMY.
et tu, drummer?
updawg
12-11-2007, 12:54 PM
and moronic. and also irresponsible.
and lazy
Master Baiter
12-11-2007, 12:58 PM
and he has a small pee pee.
Groogrux
12-11-2007, 12:58 PM
and moronic. and also irresponsible.
I thought those went without saying! :D
MadMax
12-11-2007, 01:03 PM
and he has a small pee pee.
your mom has a small pee pee.
:D ;)
Groogrux
12-11-2007, 01:41 PM
your mom has a small pee pee.
:D ;)
Your mom's mom has a small pee pee.
I just blew your mind. :D
HillBoy
12-11-2007, 03:58 PM
I agree that, as you like to call them, the C&C Idiot Factory are who ruined the Texans.
However, we'll never know if they ruined David Carr.
He may very well have been a kinder, gentler Ryan Leaf or another Tim Couch. I find that more believable than the theory that C&C ruined the next Vinny Testaverde, or Trent Green, or Kerry Collins, or whomever Carr may have ended up being like. I'm sure we all have opinions, but to me both scenarios are plausible I'm more inclined to believe Carr wasn't all that special on the NFL level.
Msn, can you recall my discussion of David Carr & Dan Pastorini? Their situations were eeriely similar in that both were literally fed to the lions right off the bat as rookie QBs and suffered through horrendous beatings on losing teams. Pastorini actually had it worse because he played in the league before rules were enacted to protect the QB. The BIG difference between the two is Pastorini was mentally tougher than Carr and was able to persevere and lead the Oilers to two AFC Championship games. Carr's battered psyche never recovered and he withdrew into the shell that you guys now make funny about. That's why I don't get this constant villification of Carr because he really wasn't an arrogant a**hole like Terrell Owens nor a miserable human being like Michael Irwin. As I see it, he was simply an unfortunate coulda-been, woulda-been, shoulda-been who wound up in a hellish situation not of his making and a guy failed to survive what hit him. To continue to derive satisfaction from his misfortunes sheds a bad light on you as a person and I know that you to be a better person than that.
HillBoy
12-11-2007, 04:02 PM
please let us know when it's ok to discuss it. thanks in advance. :D
I'd much rather concentrate on what the Texans are doing since it's more germane to the issue at hand. Carr can come off the bench next Sunday, channel Joe Montana or Joe Namath and throw 6 TD passes and it wouldn't mean one whit to me if the Texans go out and get embarassed on Thursday night by a bad Denver team.
MadMax
12-11-2007, 04:03 PM
I'd much rather concentrate on what the Texans are doing since it's more germane to the issue at hand. .
then why in the world did you bother clicking this thread? and spending enough time here to make multiple posts?
rhester
12-11-2007, 04:07 PM
then why in the world did you bother clicking this thread? and spending enough time here to make multiple posts?
Based upon the descriptions given you MadMax you must be a lawyer. :D
MadMax
12-11-2007, 04:09 PM
Based upon the descriptions given you MadMax you must be a lawyer. :D
the small pee pee comment gave it away? :D
Major
12-11-2007, 04:16 PM
then why in the world did you bother clicking this thread? and spending enough time here to make multiple posts?
This is what I've never understood. If people don't want to discuss David Carr, why not just ignore the thread titled "David Carr Thread"? :confused: It's not that Hillboy doesn't want to discuss David Carr - he participates as much as anyone - he just doesn't want anyone else to.
SwoLy-D
12-11-2007, 04:58 PM
Guys... guys, guys... WRONG FORUM. He's no longer a Texan, and he ain't a HOF'er, and he didn't bring a championship to Houston... he belongs in the HANGOUT. :o
The Offensive Line sucked ALL THE TIME.
Major
12-11-2007, 05:03 PM
Guys... guys, guys... WRONG FORUM. He's no longer a Texan, and he ain't a HOF'er, and he didn't bring a championship to Houston... he belongs in the HANGOUT. :o
Tracey Murray is no longer a Rocket, he isn't a HOFer, and he didn't bring a championship to Houston, but we can talk about him in the Rockets forum. Why would it be any different here?
And why do non-mods feel it necessary to act like forum policemen? If the moderators - you know, the ones that actually determine what is and isn't appropriate to talk about - thought it wasn't right to talk about Carr, they could close or move the thread. The moderators are more than capable of doing their jobs without a bunch of people screaming "wrong forum!!"
HillBoy
12-11-2007, 05:07 PM
This is what I've never understood. If people don't want to discuss David Carr, why not just ignore the thread titled "David Carr Thread"? :confused: It's not that Hillboy doesn't want to discuss David Carr - he participates as much as anyone - he just doesn't want anyone else to.
OK wiseguy: Show me where I said ever that nobody else could discuss David Carr. I'll wait...
And while I wait on that, I'll explain that I was responding to Msn's playful little dig at me in the first post. But folks here don't want to merely discuss David Carr at all. No, they want to relish in his downfall as he fades to black from the league for they have such a burning need to punish him for what happened during his tenure that anyone who preaches reason is treated as an enemy. I see guys like Ric make perfectly reasonable points about Carr that get completely lost in the din. It's as if pretty David PERSONALLY stole your collective girlfriends or slept with your collective spouses. Somewhere in all of this, all perspective is hopelessly lost.
I've made my little jokes about how nice his hair looks on the sideline as well but I never elevated it to the level it's being done here. It's as if he's on par with Bud Adams around here. I don't think you guys get it at all: the same type of derisive stuff you say and post about David Carr has been said and is being said up here about the Texans as well. I want the Texans to shut those folks up once and for all which is why I don't choose to focus on Carr anymore because he's become irrelevant and inconsequential.
Msn, can you recall my discussion of David Carr & Dan Pastorini? Their situations were eeriely similar in that both were literally fed to the lions right off the bat as rookie QBs and suffered through horrendous beatings on losing teams. Pastorini actually had it worse because he played in the league before rules were enacted to protect the QB. The BIG difference between the two is Pastorini was mentally tougher than Carr and was able to persevere and lead the Oilers to two AFC Championship games.
Barely remember it; and unfortunately I really don't remember Dan Pastorini. Prior to 1985 I was pretty much all Astros all the time.
As I see it, he was simply an unfortunate coulda-been, woulda-been, shoulda-been who wound up in a hellish situation not of his making and a guy failed to survive what hit him.
But if he lacked mental toughness, as you state earlier, how much really could he coulda-been?
That's why I don't get this constant villification of Carr because he really wasn't an arrogant a**hole... To continue to derive satisfaction from his misfortunes sheds a bad light on you as a person and I know that you to be a better person than that.
Perhaps you confuse my takes with those of others. I vigorously defended Carr for years, and I still think he's a solid, standup guy (although I can't really know that). I'm quick to point out his miserable performance, but I don't ever mean to imply anything him in a negative light beyond the fact that IMO he was never going to be a great NFL QB (though I once thought he was, and would argue with you for days if you disagreed). And I certainly am not deriving any satisfaction from his failures elsewhere. I actually was hoping he'd figure it out.
Major
12-11-2007, 05:17 PM
I want the Texans to shut those folks up once and for all which is why I don't choose to focus on Carr anymore because he's become irrelevant and inconsequential.
But the point is that you keep saying you choose not to focus on him while constantly talking about him. If you don't want to focus on him, then don't. Why on earth do you care if MadMax does if you couldn't care less about Carr?
OK wiseguy: Show me where I said ever that nobody else could discuss David Carr. I'll wait...
Every thread about Carr basically has a post by you saying you don't like talking about Carr. Since you post in all these threads, I'm assuming you're somehow forced to post in threads about Carr, in which case the only way you could stop posting about Carr is if other people stopped discussing him so you weren't forced to respond.
And while I wait on that, I'll explain that I was responding to Msn's playful little dig at me in the first post.
While I'm thankful that you assumed it was a playful little dig rather than something malicious, I actually meant neither of the two.
I agree with you that C&C Idiot Factory ruined the Texans. In fact, in a reply to a poll in 2005 about whose fault it was, I responded, "I blame the coaches. They designed this turd and then staffed it 22 turds," or something to that effect.
I was just adding that I truly don't believe we can ever know what David Carr could have been (and that's kind of sad). He might have been a serviceable QB ala Trent Green or Vinny or whomever, or he might have never been anything more than Tim Couch (or a really nice version of Ryan Leaf). But, thanks to the idiots, we'll never know.
VesceySux
12-11-2007, 05:30 PM
No, they want to relish in his downfall as he fades to black from the league for they have such a burning need to punish him for what happened during his tenure that anyone who preaches reason is treated as an enemy.
Who are you to get in the way of our catharsis? Shouldn't you be in the GARM, hating on Rockets ex-GM Carroll Dawson? Or perhaps spouting off on Texans ex-GM Charley Casserly or ex-coach Dom Capers? Oh, wait, that's right, you don't discuss those guys at all; you rant, bitch, and moan. Don't pretend your s*** don't stink, dude. We obliged you in your time of need; now please kindly return the favor.
macalu
12-11-2007, 05:47 PM
Who are you to get in the way of our catharsis? Shouldn't you be in the GARM, hating on Rockets ex-GM Carroll Dawson? Or perhaps spouting off on Texans ex-GM Charley Casserly or ex-coach Dom Capers? Oh, wait, that's right, you don't discuss those guys at all; you rant, bitch, and moan. Don't pretend your s*** don't stink, dude. We obliged you in your time of need; now please kindly return the favor.
finally! some real freakin' drama.
MadMax
12-12-2007, 09:31 AM
Guys... guys, guys... WRONG FORUM. He's no longer a Texan, and he ain't a HOF'er, and he didn't bring a championship to Houston... he belongs in the HANGOUT. :o
The Offensive Line sucked ALL THE TIME.
Tracy Murray
MadMax
12-12-2007, 09:33 AM
But folks here don't want to merely discuss David Carr at all. No, they want to relish in his downfall as he fades to black from the league for they have such a burning need to punish him for what happened during his tenure that anyone who preaches reason is treated as an enemy. .
I asked a handful of questions in the opening post of this thread. It's not as much DC but the excuses that were made for him that I see are dying here.
If you hate the thread...or any thread I start...avoid it. If it bothers you or frustrates you in some way...move along. Why you care about the subject matter of my threads, present and future, is beyond me at this point.
**** off, max. seriously. ****. off. you started - not participated in, but STARTED a thread about david carr - what in the h-e-double hockey sticks did you expect to happen? did you REALLY think we were going to have a friendly discussion about his future? yeah, because lord knows we've all proven to be on the fence surrounding david carr's tenure here in houston; why, he NEVER stirs up a reaction – let’s break out s’mores, do each other’s hair and dish – should be fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i think he’ll wind up out of football – what about you?????????!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and when the thread (again, a thread you started) predictably devolves into the same ol' same ol', you have the gall to immediately retreat to your high horse and whip out a "jack ass" – which, so far as i can tell, is really just your way of cowardly bowing out of a discussion that, once again, you started.
also, for the record: you keep mentioning (a lot) that you put me on your ignore list... i'm going to let you in on a little secret - in the immortal words of tommy lee jones: i. don't. care. ignore away. but don't post **** you know is going to stir up emotional reactions and then stand above it all and while casting aspersions down upon others for taking the bait.
and you know what REALLY riles me up? i couldn’t give two ****s about david carr. i HATE having to discuss him; but the vitriol is so thick it cakes his tenure in a coat of inaccuracies that only serve to minimize the bigger culprits: mcnair, casserly, capers… and whenever those culprits or the excuses are brought up, it's always met with the same dismissive response... before heading right back to david carr. again. for a year now (at least), you've claimed to be fully aware and understanding and accepting of all these other viable, legitimate issues surrounding the texans... and yet, you're starting threads called, "My New David Carr Thread"... as stated previously, i eagerly await your "My New Dom Capers Thread."
things ARE better without carr; but marginally: the QB (who didn’t have to earn his starting position, btw, and may or may not be better than his infinitely cheaper back-up - sound at all familiar?) is still getting his dick knocked into the turf on a weekly basis (or in schaub’s case, vagina); the running game is still anemic and no threat to do anything beyond falling into the nearest offensive lineman five yards beyond the line of scrimmage; they still can’t score in the 3Q; they haven’t developed/found any playmakers beyond andre johnson; the offensive line still needs improvements, which has been a standing problem since 2002… but yeah, you’re right: the excuses that we made for carr DO seem to be dying… except for… well, all of them.
and i expect you to discuss exactly… let’s see: 2, carry the 5…: none of them.
hillboy, fwiw, i thought this was really well-said:
That's why I don't get this constant villification of Carr because he really wasn't an arrogant a**hole like Terrell Owens nor a miserable human being like Michael Irwin. As I see it, he was simply an unfortunate coulda-been, woulda-been, shoulda-been who wound up in a hellish situation not of his making and a guy failed to survive what hit him.
Master Baiter
12-12-2007, 01:16 PM
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MadMax
12-12-2007, 01:57 PM
I absolutely started the thread Ric. But I'm not the one bitching about it....all the while posting about it with fervor while screaming that you really don't care about it and that, in fact, you actually hate posting about it.
Again...if you hate posting about DC...why the hell did you:
1. open the thread with DC's name in the title?;
2. post in it at all?
Groogrux
12-12-2007, 02:05 PM
hillboy, fwiw, i thought this was really well-said:
He was just a pretty boy who didn't give two ****s about winning if you believe those who said he was the last one to arrive and the first one to leave.
Groogrux
12-12-2007, 02:06 PM
I absolutely started the thread Ric. But I'm not the one bitching about it....all the while posting about it with fervor while screaming that you really don't care about it and that, in fact, you actually hate posting about it.
Again...if you hate posting about DC...why the hell did you:
1. open the thread with DC's name in the title?;
2. post in it at all?
You really needed to be set straight, MadMax. Thank Ric.
MadMax
12-12-2007, 02:07 PM
You really needed to be set straight, MadMax. Thank Ric.
Yeah, I'm glad we had this talk. :D
updawg
12-12-2007, 02:08 PM
Ok, I have to ask it.
Ric, why don't you just admit you are a Carr fan? (Not that there is anything wrong with that)
You vehemently defend the guy every time something bad is said about him. You even get emotional about it as referenced above.
You have no problems saying bad things about other athletes but when it comes to Carr you defend him to the death.
I don't see how you can say you are not a fan of his.
MadMax
12-12-2007, 02:10 PM
Ok, I have to ask it.
Ric, why don't you just admit you are a Carr fan? (Not that there is anything wrong with that)
You vehemently defend the guy every time something bad is said about him. You even get emotional about it as referenced above.
You have no problems saying bad things about other athletes but when it comes to Carr you defend him to the death.
I don't see how you can say you are not a fan of his.
Oh, don't let those posts fool you. Their number or their intensity. He really doesn't care at all. See how much he doesn't care?
Ric, why don't you just admit you are a Carr fan? (Not that there is anything wrong with that)
You vehemently defend the guy every time something bad is said about him. You even get emotional about it as referenced above.
You have no problems saying bad things about other athletes but when it comes to Carr you defend him to the death.
I don't see how you can say you are not a fan of his.
From reading Ric's responses earlier, I'd say he's only vehement about the fact that Capers and Casserly are far more to blame for this debacle than David Carr is. Say, 99.5% to 0.5% in terms of blame ratio. At least, that's what I gathered.
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