FoxSports: Astros on verge of major deal (Possibly Tejada)

[justtxyank]

"The Astros told clubs Wednesday night that they were on the verge of a major deal, but details were unclear. Second baseman Chris Burke and outfielder Luke Scott have been among the most available Astros, and the team spoke with the Pirates about left-handed reliever Damaso Marte earlier this week. Rival clubs have targeted some of the Astros' young pitching as well. ..."

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7533086

[Fiah]

Haven't we gotten enough bullpen help? Unless its a closer, I would like to see some starting pitching help.

[The Real Shady]

I don't know how much we can get in return for Burke and Scott, but we do need some pitching.

[justtxyank]

Maybe an Ian Snell/Marte package?

[texanskan]

Pence/Burke/Patton for Santana?

[justtxyank]

Pence/Burke/Patton for Santana?

I doubt that. The Astros ready to pay Santana 24 million a year?

[Major]

The Astros told clubs Wednesday night that they were on the verge of a major deal, but details were unclear.

"Hey Cardinals, we just wanted to call and let you know we're on the verge of a major deal. Ok, bye!"

Why would the Astros be telling various clubs they were on the verge of a major deal?

[Dr.Strangelove]

Pence/Burke/Patton for Santana?

I want to see a deal for starting pitching and a closer.

But not at the cost of Pence.

[H-Town Info]

Please keep the Lee/Bourn/Pence outfield combo

[MadMax]

"Hey Cardinals, we just wanted to call and let you know we're on the verge of a major deal. Ok, bye!"

Why would the Astros be telling various clubs they were on the verge of a major deal?


That doesn't make sense to me, either...unless it was just friendly conversation.

Major deal??? Sounds like more than bullpen help.

I'd be all about bringing in Snell.

[LonghornFan]

team spoke with the Pirates about left-handed reliever Damaso Marte earlier this week

lol, that's considered "major deal" material?

[RocketManJosh]

Please keep the Lee/Bourn/Pence outfield combo

agreed and I can't imagine any of those guys not being here unless we got some deal we just absolutely can't refuse

[Zac D]

I'd be all about bringing in Snell.

Ditto, but I can't think of an earthly reason why they'd trade him. justtxyank - that was just wild-ass speculation, right?

[RocketManJosh]

lol, that's considered "major deal" material?

When I read it, I took it as they are on the verge of a major deal. In completely unrelated news, they asked about Marte earlier in the week.

There is no way that is a "major deal"

[jakedasnake]

That doesn't make sense to me, either...unless it was just friendly conversation.

Major deal??? Sounds like more than bullpen help.

I'd be all about bringing in Snell.

This sounds like what happened and would explain why clubs knew about the deal.

http://blogs.chron.com/baseballblog/archives/2007/12/wade_not_giving.html

Ed Wade was busy Wednesday trying to complete a trade, and at one point the Astros were in the middle of a four-team trade conversation.

"We've had conversations with teams," he said. "They lasted well deep into the night (Tuesday) night. They started early this morning. More teams come on line. It sort of waxes and wanes to get something going. We had a deal going with one club that evolved into a two-team scenario. ... It evolved into a three-team scenario, which involved into a four-team scenario and then got to a point that it was taking so long another club came in and wanted to talk to us about something and we had to make a move within that original structure that knocked one team out of the discussions.

"It may have knocked us out too. A player that was going one way we had to insert in another deal to try to make that deal go forward, which eliminated one of the four clubs and conceivably could have eliminated us and conceivably could have blown up the whole deal. But we don't know yet. There's a lot of stuff going on. Even in a trade-rich environment it's so complicated."

[BigSherv]

they need to cool it with the word major. Major is Dontrell going to DET. Thsi crap the Astros do usually is AAAA grade stuff.

[kaleidosky]

i hate the thread title. got me excited.. and then wade says it's probably dead. I'd rather have Gerry's nothing until it's suddenly done

[VesceySux]

I'd rather have Gerry's nothing until it's suddenly done

Well, I like knowing that Wade is active. After Tim "You can have Jason Lane when you pry him from my cold, dead hands" Purpura, it's nice to know SOMEONE is working the phones.

[justtxyank]

Ditto, but I can't think of an earthly reason why they'd trade him. justtxyank - that was just wild-ass speculation, right?

Well I read somewhere else that Snell is available.

[Achilleus]

After Tim "You can have Jason Lane when you pry him from my cold, dead hands" Purpura...

:D :D :D :D

[msn]

Tim "You can have Jason Lane when you pry him from my cold, dead hands" Purpura
:D :D :D :D :D

Yep, that one gets five :D 's.

[jakedasnake]

i hate the thread title. got me excited.. and then wade says it's probably dead. I'd rather have Gerry's nothing until it's suddenly done

I think he will pull one off. It is not necessarily dead. Maybe the two original teams of the

"But we don't know yet. There's a lot of stuff going on. Even in a trade-rich environment it's so complicated."

[The Cat]

"Hey Cardinals, we just wanted to call and let you know we're on the verge of a major deal. Ok, bye!"

Why would the Astros be telling various clubs they were on the verge of a major deal?

I don't know, but they did the same thing at last year's meetings with the Garland trade. I'm still amazed at how folks on another board (not this one) blame Ortiz for that... when it was Tal Smith that was overanxious on the trigger finger. It doesn't make any sense to do that, but they've done it before...

[leroy420]

I don't know, but they did the same thing at last year's meetings with the Garland trade. I'm still amazed at how folks on another board (not this one) blame Ortiz for that... when it was Tal Smith that was overanxious on the trigger finger. It doesn't make any sense to do that, but they've done it before...

Ortiz is an idiot so it's easy to assume.

[yobod]

Ortiz is an idiot so it's easy to assume.

Haha, true. There was absolutely no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt.

This "major deal" they're talking about....weren't the Astros talking with the O's about Miguel Tejada? Could it possibly have something to do with that?

[MadMax]

Justice is on 1560 right now saying there's all kinds of talk floating through the lobby at the winter meetings that the Astros are on the verge of something major. He says he has no idea what it is, though.

[MadMax]

This "major deal" they're talking about....weren't the Astros talking with the O's about Miguel Tejada? Could it possibly have something to do with that?

oh, no. i didn't even think about that.

[geeimsobored]

This is so going down like last year's proposed trade for Jon Garland. I can just feel it.

[tested911]

This "major deal" they're talking about....weren't the Astros talking with the O's about Miguel Tejada? Could it possibly have something to do with that?

Yobod I totally forgot about that.. I think thats it though.. Hmm Miguel Tejada in the lineup..... I like it.

[MiniMing]

Jake Peavy.

[Ric]

Justice is on 1560 right now saying there's all kinds of talk floating through the lobby at the winter meetings that the Astros are on the verge of something major. He says he has no idea what it is, though.
richard justice, in a nutshell...

[texanskan]

richard justice, in a nutshell...

lol, Justice is such a douch

I bet he was one of those losers who used to bring a backpack and wears a glove to a baseball game. You know the grown men who ask players to sign things

[MadMax]

richard justice, in a nutshell...

:D

I have to say, I really like Richard a lot more since he started his radio show.

[grummett]

richard justice, in a nutshell...

Don't remember if I read here or at OWA first, but his nickname of Pinwheel is the most appropriate ever.

[jakedasnake]

Justice is on 1560 right now saying there's all kinds of talk floating through the lobby at the winter meetings that the Astros are on the verge of something major. He says he has no idea what it is, though.

Is Justice broadcasting from Nashville or is he hearing it secondhand?

[MadMax]

Is Justice broadcasting from Nashville or is he hearing it secondhand?

I think second-hand.

[Ric]

wade said in an article earlier this week that one of the advantages he had was that he was so new, he had no attachments to anyone yet...

looking at the names floating out there for santana, seeing what the marlins got for willis/cabrera.... and taking the word "major" at face value... is it remotely possible oswalt, berkman and/or lee are available?

[jakedasnake]

wade said in an article earlier this week that one of the advantages he had was that he was so new, he had no attachments to anyone yet...

looking at the names floating out there for santana, seeing what the marlins got for willis/cabrera.... and taking the word "major" at face value... is it remotely possible oswalt, berkman and/or lee are available?

I was thinking the same thing. Think what you could get for someone like Oswalt who is under contract at a decent value for what he gives you. If we are trading someone like that we better be getting max value in return. It also could be Pence and/or Patton being discussed. Hopefully we will find out soon.

[Joshfast]

wade said in an article earlier this week that one of the advantages he had was that he was so new, he had no attachments to anyone yet...

looking at the names floating out there for santana, seeing what the marlins got for willis/cabrera.... and taking the word "major" at face value... is it remotely possible oswalt, berkman and/or lee are available?

Oswalt would fetch a bounty, but we need starting pitching and fans would riot if Berkman was traded. The Giants wanted Lee last offseason.... Lee for Lincecum? He would replace Barry in left and we could put Luke or Hunter in left.

[Oski2005]

wade said in an article earlier this week that one of the advantages he had was that he was so new, he had no attachments to anyone yet...

looking at the names floating out there for santana, seeing what the marlins got for willis/cabrera.... and taking the word "major" at face value... is it remotely possible oswalt, berkman and/or lee are available?

All 3 have full no trade clauses.

[MadMax]

Oswalt would fetch a bounty, but we need starting pitching and fans would riot if Berkman was traded. The Giants wanted Lee last offseason.... Lee for Lincecum? He would replace Barry in left and we could put Luke or Hunter in left.

Lee would have to agree to it, remember. I'm not saying I know he woudn't...but it would be a hurdle.

I'd be surprised if they traded any of those guys. If they trade Oswalt I'll be flat-out pissed.

[DaDakota]

Can Mario Elie pitch?

[msn]

If they trade Oswalt I'll be flat-out pissed.
Seconded.

Can Mario Elie pitch?
Pitching puts "Kiss of Death" in a rather scary light!

[Ric]

All 3 have full no trade clauses.
if you're roy oswalt, would you pass on a chance to pitch for the red sox? and if you're the astros, and they were offering a tiger-like deal for him.... buchholz and pedoria, for instance.....

[Ric]

Lee for Lincecum? He would replace Barry in left and we could put Luke or Hunter in left.
just saw this on ESPN:
12:20 p.m., from Buster Olney
• The Giants are looking for an outfielder, and an interesting name has surfaced in their search -- Yankees left fielder Hideki Matsui. He has two years and $26 million on his contract and would have to waive his no-trade clause.
i would LOVE to turn lee into a legitimate young starter, especially if one of them is lincecum.

what if lee and oswalt became lincecum, buchholz and pedoria?

[JunkyardDwg]

if you're roy oswalt, would you pass on a chance to pitch for the red sox? and if you're the astros, and they were offering a tiger-like deal for him.... buchholz and pedoria, for instance.....


From all the articles I've ever read about Oswalt, he has no desire for the spotlight, which is exactly what a place like Boston would bring. He is the epitome of a good 'ol boy...and Drayton gave him a tractor.

Oswalt and Berkman are untouchable...I don't care if you're a new GM...they are like this generation's Bagwell and Biggio.

[kaleidosky]

maybe I'm undervaluing Buchholtz (or maybe I'm pissed at what Taylor B. gave us)...but I wouldn't deal Oswalt for that combo (him and Pedroia)


but Lee for Lincecum in a heartbeat.. that'd be sick.

[LonghornFan]

Jake Peavy.

Didn't he just sign an extension with the Padres?

[texanskan]

I would not trade Roy for anyone other than Santana and still is he really that much better than a Roy Oswalt that you have locked up?

Lee I would move in a heartbeat as far as Lance goes I would be pissed off and like Roy his contract is not that crazy compared to others.

I agree that sometimes you need to take a step back in order to take two forward so I am open to ideas but those ideas should include Lance being your everyday first baseman for years to come and Roy being your number 1

[cwebbster]

I bet it is Miguel Tejada.....

[Joshfast]

I bet it is Miguel Tejada.....

I bet it's nothing, but hot stove is always fun.

[JayZ750]

Why would you trade Roy Oswalt unless you get back a guaranteed Roy Oswalt + something else?

[msn]

Why would you trade Roy Oswalt unless you get back a guaranteed Roy Oswalt + something else?
Why would the other team trade their Roy Oswalt + something else for our Roy Oswalt?

[LongTimeFan]

790 reporting Astros on verge of acquiring Tejada. Creppy Crawl said this in other thread. Wonder who we'd give up?

[cwebbster]

790 reporting Astros on verge of acquiring Tejada. Creppy Crawl said this in other thread. Wonder who we'd give up?


Damn I am good! No radio here at work! :)

[The Cat]

"very serious conversations" as we speak... serious enough that the trade has been called "likely"

Just said on 790.

[askball]

If we do land tejada, who do yall think we would have to give up?

[Joshfast]

790 reporting Astros on verge of acquiring Tejada. Creppy Crawl said this in other thread. Wonder who we'd give up?

Oh god. Please be Scott, Burke and Wiggs. NO TEJADA AT SHORT! Only if he plays third is this acceptable and it is still iffy.

[msn]

NO TEJADA AT SHORT! Only if he plays third is this acceptable and it is still iffy.
Agreed.

[clutch citizen]

Man, Tejada scares me. Sure it would turn Adam Everett's semi-automatic out bat into a more reliable one, but the defense on the left side of the field will be shaky.

How is his range at shortstop?

Maybe the Astros flip Scott, Burke, and Wiggington plus more so that Everette stays at SS and Tejada plays 3rd?

But then that scenario leaves a HUGE hole with the #2 starter.

[kaleidosky]

I think it'll be sweet at 3rd.. and hard to imagine them killing the defense after working so hard to improve it up the middle.. so gotta think they'll keep adam at SS

(maybe Kaz at SS, Tejada at 3rd, Burke at 2nd... i don't agree with that, but it's a possibility depending on the deal)

[justtxyank]

Man if the Stros get him for SS you guys better hope his bat comes back to life 100%, because his defense is atrocious.

[LongTimeFan]

the reported package: Adam Everett, Chris Burke, and a pitcher.


I'm guessing the pitcher is Patton..


EDIT: this is from mlbtraderumors.com -- but it says it got the package info from 790. I've been listening, and they haven't said what the package is - just speculated it should include AE and Scott

[idrockfan]

Apparently 790 is reporting that the package is Everett, Burke, and a pitcher.

[The Hunted]

I wouldn't think about trading for Tejada until the Mitchell report comes out.

[clutch citizen]

Hopefully the pitcher is Woody Williams

[Joshfast]

Shouldn't we be dealing our few trade assets for starting pitching? I have been happy with the moves made so far but this one is scary.

[LongTimeFan]

Shouldn't we be dealing our few trade assets for starting pitching? I have been happy with the moves made so far but this one is scary.


IMO, landing Tejada would make not having a legit #2 more bearable.. If you can't get pitching, load up on offense!

[idrockfan]

Hopefully the pitcher is Woody Williams


That's just what I was thinking!

[idrockfan]

(praying)
Please not Patton, Please not Patton, Please not Patton.

[Groogrux]

(praying)
Please not Patton, Please not Patton, Please not Patton.

How about Scott, Burke, Everett, Patton for Tejada and Bedard?

[Drewdog]

Isnt Tejada kind of old? And if his D sucks, thats going to kill our crappy pitching rotation....

:(

[Dr.Strangelove]

I'm all for getting Tejada,but at the same time I don't want Everett going anywhere.MT needs to play third.....and our pitching staff needs a major overhaul at this point.

[Achilleus]

Bourn
Pence
Berkman
Lee
Tejada
Matsui

???

[justtxyank]

How about Scott, Burke, Everett, Patton for Tejada and Bedard?

EL OH EL

That package wouldn't net Bedard alone.

[idrockfan]

Isnt Tejada kind of old?

He's 31.

[Yao Wink]

How about Scott, Burke, Everett, Patton for Tejada and Bedard?

That would be an amazing deal (for Houston) ... Wade would be da man !!!

[OldManBernie]

His range last year was pretty much in the middle of the pack. He's not bad as a SS, but he's certainly no Adam Everett on D.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/?view=fielding&league_filter

[Joshfast]

How about Scott, Burke, Everett, Patton for Tejada and Bedard?

Going to take way more then that I'm afraid. Pence, Patton, Everett and Burke still might not get that one done.

[leroy420]

Bourn
Pence
Berkman
Lee
Tejada
Matsui

???

Bourne CF
Matsui 2B
Pence RF
Berkman 1B
Lee LF
Tejada SS
Wigginton 3B
Towles C

I can live with that. Best 3-4-5-6 in the NL?

[xiki]

Well, I like knowing that Wade is active. After Tim "You can have Jason Lane when you pry him from my cold, dead hands" Purpura, it's nice to know SOMEONE is working the phones.

"Yes, but..." Just doing deals can misfire, right Mr Jennings? I want deals which actually benefit the team, not just deals to talk about the team.

[OldManBernie]

His range last year was pretty much in the middle of the pack. He's not bad as a SS, but he's certainly no Adam Everett on D.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/?view=fielding&league_filter

Oops... try this link instead:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=fielding&linesToDisplay=50&orderBy=zone_rating&direction=DESC&qual_filter=1&season_filter%5B%5D=2007&league_filter%5B%5D=2&pos_filter%5B%5D=6&Submit=Submit

[msn]

• The Orioles' Andy MacPhail left Nashville late Thursday morning. So that makes it official -- the Orioles won't be making any deals here. Their talks with the Cubs about a trade for Brian Roberts have been back-burnered while the Orioles prioritize talks about Bedard and Miguel Tejada. But what we found on that back burner is that there is mutual interest in a deal that would send Roberts to the Cubs for pitcher Sean Gallagher, plus a second player that still needs to be determined. Despite speculation Felix Pie could wind up in that trade, teams that have talked to the Cubs about Pie say he would only be movable in a much bigger deal.
         

[SWTsig]

well wtf is going on here?

[msn]

It's the Astros. We only make big trades on July 31. :D

[Oski2005]

How about Scott, Burke, Everett, Patton for Tejada and Bedard?


Not gonna happen, that would be an amazing steal on our part, there's no way it happens. Maybe if we swaped out Scott and instead sent them Pence.

[rodrick_98]

burke, everett, bourne? craig roberts just said that's his guess. he's a retard.


edit: i didn't mean craig roberts even though that's who i said.... i believe it was ted delluca who said it. either way it was mentioned on 790 just a few minutes ago. :o

[RocketJedi]

burke, everett, bourne? craig roberts just said that's his guess. he's a retard.

If that's true then I cannot understand why they made a big deal when they got Bourne.

[Groogrux]

If that's true then I cannot understand why they made a big deal when they got Bourne.

It's not true.

[msn]

If that were true, they will have essentially gotten Tejada for Lidge, Everett, and Burke.

Irony of ironies.

[rodrick_98]

it's not as if negotiations can't continue after the meetings end, but when does the winter meeting end? is there a set time today? the chron mentioned it ends this afternoon, so i would expect if something were to happen today then it would be happening within the next couple of hours.

[msn]

it's not as if negotiations can't continue after the meetings end, but when does the winter meeting end? is there a set time today? the chron mentioned it ends this afternoon, so i would expect if something were to happen today then it would be happening within the next couple of hours.
I don't think it's going to happen today, as the Orioles' execs left earlier this morning.

[jtotheb]

I hate to be Debbie Downer, but I have a bad feeling that this is all much ado about nothing and is all a big PR ploy. This crap about "something could get done after the meetings" sounds very fishy to me. Delati can break stories and get excited all he wants..I'll believe it when it happens.

[msn]

I hate to be Debbie Downer
I'm not down at all if the Astros don't spend their tradeable asset on a hack SS who had down numbers last year and has a drama queen attitude when what they need, desperately, is starting pitching.

[MadMax]

I don't think it's going to happen today, as the Orioles' execs left earlier this morning.

the guys on 790 said it wasn't going to happen today, most likely.

the did however say the trade was "likely."

[kaleidosky]

I'm not down at all if the Astros don't spend their tradeable asset on a hack SS who had down numbers last year and has a drama queen attitude when what they need, desperately, is starting pitching.

Had down #'s yes.. I don't think his attitude is really that bad. Anyone will turn into a negative guy when in the Orioles organization under Angelos.. He's a hard worker. I think that part of him would be fine here...just not his defense at SS.

His power #'s might come back up purely because of the short porch in LF (didn't he win the HR derby against Lance at MMP?)

[texanskan]

CF-Bourn-speed!!!
2B-Matsui-speed!!!
RF-Pence-speed!!!
1B-Berkman
LF-Lee
SS-Tejada
3B-Wiggs
C-Towells

me like

Bullpen-average

Starter-1-3 average (because of Roy)
4-5 ????????????



=a better than 500 team for sure

[leroy420]

Had down #'s yes.. I don't think his attitude is really that bad. Anyone will turn into a negative guy when in the Orioles organization under Angelos.. He's a hard worker. I think that part of him would be fine here...just not his defense at SS.

His power #'s might come back up purely because of the short porch in LF (didn't he win the HR derby against Lance at MMP?)

Yes he did. he called it "The Tejada Boxes". I think he'd like it in Houston.

[MadMax]

Anyone else see this the other day??

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=MLB&id=2474&line=227142&spln=1

A source told MLB.com that the Astros are no longer in the picture for acquiring Miguel Tejada.
The probability of the teams reaching an agreement were downgraded from a two on a scale of one to 10 to "zero" by the source on Tuesday. The two sides were reportedly talking about Michael Bourn, Adam Everett and others. Dec. 4 - 10:32 pm et



This was from 12/4. But the names mentioned there were Bourn and Everett...and then some

[Drewdog]

Its not a PR ploy.... How is that good PR? :rolleyes:

[MadMax]

790 is the ONLY group reporting this. And it's all David Dalati, really.

They're saying they have good sources...dismissing the idea that the fact the O's management left the meetings means anything considering they normally make trades from a distance over cell phones anyway.

[msn]

The O's have been so good about completing deals in the past, I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume something will get done.

In other news, a peace agreement has been reached in the Middle East. I know the guys walked out of the room in a huff while muttering obscenities in Arabic, but I'm telling you this deal is "likely".

[rodrick_98]

790 is the ONLY group reporting this. And it's all David Dalati, really.


forget astros pr i guess.... probably more like 790 trying to get ratings

[MadMax]

forget astros pr i guess.... probably more like 790 trying to get ratings

they certainly sound really sure of themselves.

[xiki]

Trade for Tejada - then watch him get washed away in the Mitchell report. What is Uncle Drayton's fascination with this guy? Luckily (and hopefully) Angelos gets in the way of Tejada deals.

[JunkyardDwg]

I really hope its not Tejada...it just doesn't make sense considering the things that have come out of Wade and Cooper's mouths....and especially considering we need PITCHING.

JUST SAY NO.

[thacabbage]

Trading for Tejada would be flat out stupid for that price.

[MadMax]

And Ortiz files this report this afternoon...with zero mention of Tejada.
Good news on Loretta, though.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/sports/5357769.html

Loretta likely to accept arbitration today


By JOSE DE JESUS ORTIZ
Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle

TOOLS

NASHVILLE — As the winter meetings concluded today, Astros general manager Ed Wade picked up a lefthanded reliever in the Rule V draft, left some trade offers on the table and found out that in all likelihood he will get veteran infielder Mark Loretta back Friday.

The Astros offered Loretta salary arbitration last week. And barring some unforeseen developments, he will accept arbitration before the deadline to do so Friday at midnight.

Loretta's agent, Bob Garber, checked out of the Gaylord Opryland Resort this morning ahead of the Astros shortly after the Rule V draft.

"If we had to decide today, we would accept arbitration," Garber said of Loretta, who stands to make about $4 million in arbitration on a one-year, non-guaranteed deal. "But there's a couple of teams we're still talking to that would offer him a little more playing time.

"But if Mark goes back to the Astros, he's confident he'll end up with his typical amount of at-bats he somehow finds a way to end up with."

Loretta hit .287 (52-for-460) over 133 games while earning starts at shortstop, second base, first base and third base for the Astros in 2007.

Loretta and lefthanded reliever Trever Miller, two popular and respected veterans in the clubhouse, were the only two free agents who received salary arbitration from the Astros.

If they accept, they'll automatically go on the club's 40-man roster. Astros general manager Ed Wade has been adamant that he offered them arbitration because he'd gladly take them back or accept the compensatory draft picks if they signed elsewhere.

"I gave Bob an honest appraisal of what my thinking of the role is on our club and how we're structured," Wade said. "If you look at us right now you'd say it was a utility-type role, where he's got the ability to play shortstop. (Geoff) Blum does also. It gives us a veteran presence.

"And at the same time I've told Bob (that) Mark got into a lot of situations where that's been the job description and he comes on the back end with 425, 450 at-bats. He was asking me a little bit of playing time. I said playing time is the product of a player's performance and the manager's managerial decision. It's not the GM's call."

The New York Yankees, Colorado Rockies and Philadelphia Phillies expressed interest in Loretta.

In the major league portion of the Rule V draft, the Astros took lefthanded reliever Wesley Wright from the Los Angeles Dodgers. Righthander Giuseppe Norrito was taken from the Dodgers in the Class AAA phase of the draft.

Wright, 22, spent 2007 between Class AA Jacksonville and Class AAA Las Vegas, combining for a 3.92 ERA while giving up 34 earned runs over 78 innings through 44 games. At Jacksonville, he was 6-2 with a 2.49 ERA, two saves and 68 strikeouts while giving up 17 earned runs over 61 1/3 innnings.

"He's a very athletic left-hand pitcher, a really good competitor," said new Astros East Coast scouting supervisor Clarence Johns. "He profiles down the line to be a back-of-the-bullpen type of arm. He has a chance right now to go out and contribute.

"He's a guy who, in my opinion, has a chance to be one of the multiple-appearances guys, comes out and eats a lot of innings, saves the bullpen. He's a medium frame guy but has a lightning quick arm."

Johns was the area scout who signed Wright for the Dodgers after he was taken in the seventh round of the June 2003 draft.

Because of his time in the organization, Wright had to be added to Los Angeles' the 40-man roster this winter or be exposed to the Rule V draft.

The Astros paid Los Angeles $50,000 for the pick, but they must return him to the Dodgers' organization for half that price if he doesn't remain on the major-league 25-man roster all year.

"Wesley is a good looking prospect," said De Jon Watson, the Dodgers' assistant general manager of player development. "It always hurts to lose a young lefthander like that, especially if he has a chance to pitch at the major league level. This young man it's a matter of him getting control of his fastball, having better fastball command. He has a good breaking ball."

On other fronts, the Astros set the stage for potential trades later this winter.

"I don't think anything is going to happen here today," Wade said. "There's still some things in play that have some measure of significance, but I don't know that we're going to get to the finish line on them or not. There's a lot of moving parts that we don't have control over. There's a lot of multiple-team scenarios being played out. We've sort of put our position on the table, 'Here it is.'

"And now it's up to, in one instance, one club, and, in another instance, a couple of clubs to sort of look at it and see, 'Does this fit in to what we're trying to do.' We're a player in a few things, but we're not the club that's in position to say, deal."

jesus.ortiz@chron.com

[robbie380]

Its not a PR ploy.... How is that good PR? :rolleyes:


you got to make your fans think you are being active when you are a retread GM

[MadMax]

you got to make your fans think you are being active when you are a retread GM

he made tons of deals in Philly.

the astros have absolutely been active so far....criticize wade all you want, but i'd say he's doing a pretty good job so far.

[Blake]

he made tons of deals in Philly.

the astros have absolutely been active so far....criticize wade all you want, but i'd say he's doing a pretty good job so far.

at least he's doing SOMETHING unlike Timmy P.

[grummett]

you got to make your fans think you are being active when you are a retread GM

Since everybody loved the job our first time GM did.

[leroy420]

Loretta hit .287 (52-for-460) over 133 games while earning starts at shortstop, second base, first base and third base for the Astros in 2007.

52 for 460? I'm pretty sure that comes out to a Jason Lane like .113 BA. He scored 52 runs last season and had 132 hits, dingleberry.

[leroy420]

you got to make your fans think you are being active when you are a retread GM

So lying about being active is a good idea?

[Drewdog]

you got to make your fans think you are being active when you are a retread GM

"think" he is being active? :rolleyes:

Ummmmm Im pretty sure anyone paying slight attention to the Astros offseason moves can conclude that Ed Wade is being VERY active.

[BigSherv]

my friend sent me this

790 AM in Houston is reporting that the Astros are close to acquiring Miguel Tejada from the Orioles for Adam Everett, Chris Burke and a pitcher.MLB.com's sources Tuesday were reporting that the chances of an Astros-Orioles deal had dropped to "zero," so we'll remain skeptical until further confirmation comes along.

[MadMax]

my friend sent me this

790 AM in Houston is reporting that the Astros are close to acquiring Miguel Tejada from the Orioles for Adam Everett, Chris Burke and a pitcher.MLB.com's sources Tuesday were reporting that the chances of an Astros-Orioles deal had dropped to "zero," so we'll remain skeptical until further confirmation comes along.

what's the source for this.

the "dropped to zero" language was thrown out there on 12/4...790 is reporting the talks rekindled.

i'm not saying the deal will happen...but i think 790 is contemplating that they tried a deal earlier this week...it didn't work...the parties walked away...and now they're talking again. Dalati is saying a deal is "likely."

[Master Baiter]

While I'm not going to be disappointed in adding someone like Tejada, I worry that we aren't using the few bargaining chips that we have on starting pitching. I don't think I've heard us seriously attached to any starting pitchers. I'm sure they are trying but it would be nice to know that they are spending their best efforts on what we need the most.

[Dr.Strangelove]

Agreed,we need pitching in the worse way...a couple of starters and a closer.I don't like the idea of dealing AE.Tejada playing third would be great,but don't get rid of the defense up the middle.We absolutely can't afford to go the "PR" route (more dingers,etc.) and not reconstruct the staff.While I root for Backe and Jennings to recover from their injuries we sure as heck can't afford to go into the season without some quality/healthy inning eaters.

[MadMax]

Here we go:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7532262

Sources: O's, Astros discuss Tejada
Ken Rosenthal
FOXSports.com, Updated 11 minutes ago STORY TOOLS:


The Astros have had significant discussions with the Orioles about shortstop Miguel Tejada, but the two sides are not close to a deal, according to major-league sources.

The Astros apparently believed a trade was possible Wednesday night, telling at least two other clubs that they were on the verge of a major deal. It is not clear whether their focus was Tejada.
Astros officials said Thursday morning that nothing was imminent, suggesting perhaps that the talks had faded. Other sources also indicated that the discussions were not in an advanced phase.

A Houston radio station reported Thursday that the Astros were close to acquiring Tejada for shortstop Adam Everett, second baseman Chris Burke and a pitcher.

Such a return would not be nearly enough for the Orioles, according to one source. Andy MacPhail, the team's president of baseball operations, would need to be "overwhelmed" for Tejada, the source said.

The Astros' interest in Tejada dates to July 2006, when they tried to acquire him for Roy Oswalt, only to have the deal quashed by Orioles owner Peter Angelos.

Everett was one reason Angelos vetoed the deal; the Astros included him in their offer for Tejada, and Angelos did not want him.

[Furious Jam]

Everett was one reason Angelos vetoed the deal; the Astros included him in their offer for Tejada, and Angelos did not want him.

Ha! Adam Everett, Killer of Rallies and Slayer of Deals!

[Achilleus]

Don't the Orioles always leak trade information and screw up everything...

[MadMax]

Ha! Adam Everett, Killer of Rallies and Slayer of Deals!

Everett may be the Killer of Rallies


Angelos is the Slayer of Deals. He's been that for a long time now.

[The Cat]

Don't the Orioles always leak trade information and screw up everything...

It's the Astros that leaked it, telling two other teams.

Essentially, it's the same identical scenario as one year ago today. Final Thursday of the winter meetings... Astros talk to an American League team about a potential deal (Jon Garland last year, Miguel Tejada this year)... discussions take place but no agreement is near. But Tal Smith seemingly has a problem to keep such discussions internal, and before too long, other teams and the media are in the loop when an agreement hasn't been made yet and a routine discussion turns into an "it's almost done!" pandemonium.

Only difference between this year and last year is that Ortiz and the Chronicle ran with it in 2006... this year, it's Delati and 790. I'm pretty sure it's Tal, but someone within the Astros really has an itchy trigger finger and continually goes public before it's time.

[Master Baiter]

It's the Astros that leaked it, telling two other teams.

Essentially, it's the same identical scenario as one year ago today. Final Thursday of the winter meetings... Astros talk to an American League team about a potential deal (Jon Garland last year, Miguel Tejada this year)... discussions take place but no agreement is near. But Tal Smith seemingly has a problem to keep such discussions internal, and before too long, other teams and the media are in the loop when an agreement hasn't been made yet and a routine discussion turns into an "it's almost done!" pandemonium.

Only difference between this year and last year is that Ortiz and the Chronicle ran with it in 2006... this year, it's Delati and 790. I'm pretty sure it's Tal, but someone within the Astros really has an itchy trigger finger and continually goes public before it's time.
I would have rather aquired Garland than get Tejada this year.

[msn]

I'm pretty sure it's Tal, but someone within the Astros really has an itchy trigger finger and continually goes public before it's time.
Continually? This is twice. And Tal's been around how long?

I'm not saying it isn't Tal, but "continually" is a funny word here.

I'm surprised, given the way the Astros have historically kept everything so close to the vest, that we've had two dramas like this in the last two winters. It's just uncharacteristic of the Astros--including Tal Smith, who IIRC has been with the Astros for quite some time.

[juicystream]

Everett was one reason Angelos vetoed the deal; the Astros included him in their offer for Tejada, and Angelos did not want him.

You mean to say that someone wouldn't want Adam Everett on their team? He is like the greatest defensive shortstop ever.

There is some sarcasm in there. It does seem silly though to trade for Tejada at this point. He probably would be better suited playing 3rd base and I like Wigginton at 3rd for the much lower price tag, and the knowledge that he can actually play the position.

[The Cat]

Continually? This is twice. And Tal's been around how long?

I'm not saying it isn't Tal, but "continually" is a funny word here.

I'm surprised, given the way the Astros have historically kept everything so close to the vest, that we've had two dramas like this in the last two winters. It's just uncharacteristic of the Astros--including Tal Smith, who IIRC has been with the Astros for quite some time.

I've heard there are other examples as well, but Garland (well, until today) was the most prominent one. Granted I've only heard one side of it, but from what I know, Smith was willing to tell anyone within ear range what was going on with Garland obviously long before it was done. Seems very unprofessional.

I'm not going to claim that I know everything, and I could easily be wrong, but I will point out that it's only been in the Purpura years and especially the brief Wade tenure that Tal has stepped up to a more visible role within the organization. At the very least, I have strong suspicions.

[MadMax]

Continually? This is twice. And Tal's been around how long?

I'm not saying it isn't Tal, but "continually" is a funny word here.

I'm surprised, given the way the Astros have historically kept everything so close to the vest, that we've had two dramas like this in the last two winters. It's just uncharacteristic of the Astros--including Tal Smith, who IIRC has been with the Astros for quite some time.

not to mention that it's entirely possible the astros still trade for miguel tejada.

[Major]

I agree with an earlier poster that we might want to hold off until that Mitchell Report comes out. Tejada was in Oakland at the time of BALCO, and he was connected to Palmeiro last year (or whenever that mess was). He's a prime suspect to be involved in all that mess. Still only a small chance he's named or involved, but if there's anyone to be wary of until that report comes out, it's him.

[Rocket Guy]

im sure the gm's have a pretty good idea of who is on that list

[Ric]

I'm surprised, given the way the Astros have historically kept everything so close to the vest, that we've had two dramas like this in the last two winters. It's just uncharacteristic of the Astros--including Tal Smith, who IIRC has been with the Astros for quite some time.
me, too. johnson, beltran, even the huff deal last year were all completely out of nowhere with next to no warning. this is very odd behavior for the astros...

[BigSherv]

Astros Close To Tejada Deal?
UPDATE, 12-6-07 at 3:02pm: Still listening to 790...the message is now that the talks are in an "advanced stage" and they do not know the names involved. There's also a question of whether Tejada would waive his no-trade. Ken Rosenthal checks in - the teams have had significant discussions and may have been on the verge at some point. But nothing is imminent.

UPDATE, 12-6-07 at 1:33pm: ESPN's Jayson Stark says Andy MacPhail has left Nashville without a deal in place. But talks about Tejada and Brian Roberts are on the frontburner. Hopefully Jeff Zrebiec will weigh in soon...

FROM 12-6-07 at 12:39pm:

790 The Sports Animal, a Houston radio station, is reporting that the Astros are close to a deal to acquire Miguel Tejada. The reported package: Adam Everett, Chris Burke, and a pitcher. Heard them saying this myself by listening online; they're talking about it now.

The package sounds light, but maybe better if Troy Patton is the pitcher. More when I have it.

[Rocket G]

OMFG! The post on the previous page with the Fox Sports article!

:mad:

"http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7532262

Sources: O's, Astros discuss Tejada
Ken Rosenthal
FOXSports.com, Updated 11 minutes ago STORY TOOLS:"

WE DID NOT ATTEMPT TO TRADE ROY FOR TEJADA YOU ASSHOLE, KEN ROSENTHAL!

:mad:

[Furious Jam]

From ESPN: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=winter_meetings

4:11 p.m., from Enrique Rojas
• The Orioles have intensified talks with several teams to trade shortstop Miguel Tejada, second baseman Brian Roberts, and left-hander Eric Bedard. The Astros and Angels are the most interested teams in Tejada.

[Dr.Strangelove]

Now,if somehow we were able to get both of these guys!...sounds unlikely.Wow,I shudder at the cost.

[Ronny]

Shouldn't the Astros be concentrating on acquiring Bedard? I guess they just don't have enough to offer besides defensive champion of the world Adam Everett.

I don't understand why the Astros are so drawn to Tejada's monster contract when good pitching and defense have proven so successful in the NL.

[Furious Jam]

I don't understand why the Astros are so drawn to Tejada's monster contract when good pitching and defense have proven so successful in the NL.

Uncle Drayton likes the big splash. This is why he opens his wallet for Carlos Lee, Roger Rocket, etc., but isn't interested in handing out bonus money to sign draft picks. Tejada is a much, much bigger name than Bedard.

BTW, I'm not saying that's the best way to run a team - I'm just saying it's Drayton's way.

[Fiah]

Shouldn't the Astros be concentrating on acquiring Bedard? I guess they just don't have enough to offer besides defensive champion of the world Adam Everett.

I don't understand why the Astros are so drawn to Tejada's monster contract when good pitching and defense have proven so successful in the NL.

I agree. Get Bedard.

[RocketFan007]

I agree. Get Bedard.

We don't have close to what it would take to get Bedard.

[BMoney]

I agree. Get Bedard.

Hold out for Josh Beckett. And Santana...

[The Dude]

It seems that people are generally down on Tejada. I think some have said that his skills are in marked decline.

Granted, last year was certainly a down year offensively, but as someone else pointed out, this was largely due to injury (supposedly). Defensively, he didn't have a bad year, 7th in MLB in zone rating (would have been 8th if Everett would had played the whole year).

The year before, 2006, his OPS was the second highest in his career (higher than his MVP year) and he had his highest OBP of his career (by far).

I guess I just don't see a "downward trend." Instead I see a bad year caused by injury. Is Berkman on the decline? There does seem to be a downward trend in power, but if that is accompanied by higher OBP numbers than that seems acceptable.

I think he would make an offensive position of weakness into a big strength and would be great to plug into the 3 hole.

[jakedasnake]

It seems that people are generally down on Tejada. I think some have said that his skills are in marked decline.

Granted, last year was certainly a down year offensively, but as someone else pointed out, this was largely due to injury (supposedly). Defensively, he didn't have a bad year, 7th in MLB in zone rating (would have been 8th if Everett would had played the whole year).

The year before, 2006, his OPS was the second highest in his career (higher than his MVP year) and he had his highest OBP of his career (by far).

I guess I just don't see a "downward trend." Instead I see a bad year caused by injury. Is Berkman on the decline? There does seem to be a downward trend in power, but if that is accompanied by higher OBP numbers than that seems acceptable.

I think he would make an offensive position of weakness into a big strength and would be great to plug into the 3 hole.

It is definitely intriguing to me to have him as our SS. I think the big thing is concern over who we might give up. If it is someone like Wandy I and a lot of people around here will be okay with it. I just hope we don't throw in one of our prospects to get the deal done. I also have a feeling that Wade is considering doing another deal if this one gets completed. For example, if we get Tejada w/o giving up Everett then he may have a deal on the table for Wigginton + whatever to get more pitching if we lose a contributor. I think this because we only have so many bargaining chips which will be gone with the Tejada trade so maybe this will free up another trade and make other players expendable. Who knows? I hope we have a deal in place for a starting pitcher at some point.

[texanskan]

It seems that people are generally down on Tejada. I think some have said that his skills are in marked decline.

Granted, last year was certainly a down year offensively, but as someone else pointed out, this was largely due to injury (supposedly). Defensively, he didn't have a bad year, 7th in MLB in zone rating (would have been 8th if Everett would had played the whole year).

The year before, 2006, his OPS was the second highest in his career (higher than his MVP year) and he had his highest OBP of his career (by far).

I guess I just don't see a "downward trend." Instead I see a bad year caused by injury. Is Berkman on the decline? There does seem to be a downward trend in power, but if that is accompanied by higher OBP numbers than that seems acceptable.

I think he would make an offensive position of weakness into a big strength and would be great to plug into the 3 hole.

wow first post after being a member so long, anyway classic name "the dude" and I do agree with take on Tejada

[Big Shot Bob]

It is definitely intriguing to me to have him as our SS. I think the big thing is concern over who we might give up. If it is someone like Wandy I and a lot of people around here will be okay with it. I just hope we don't throw in one of our prospects to get the deal done. I also have a feeling that Wade is considering doing another deal if this one gets completed. For example, if we get Tejada w/o giving up Everett then he may have a deal on the table for Wigginton + whatever to get more pitching if we lose a contributor. I think this because we only have so many bargaining chips which will be gone with the Tejada trade so maybe this will free up another trade and make other players expendable. Who knows? I hope we have a deal in place for a starting pitcher at some point.

If we do that deal without trading everett and end up having all three at once, i think wiggy goes to the angels for a pitcher (E Santana). Book it (if it happens :-P)

[BMoney]

It seems that people are generally down on Tejada. I think some have said that his skills are in marked decline.

Granted, last year was certainly a down year offensively, but as someone else pointed out, this was largely due to injury (supposedly). Defensively, he didn't have a bad year, 7th in MLB in zone rating (would have been 8th if Everett would had played the whole year).

The year before, 2006, his OPS was the second highest in his career (higher than his MVP year) and he had his highest OBP of his career (by far).

I guess I just don't see a "downward trend." Instead I see a bad year caused by injury. Is Berkman on the decline? There does seem to be a downward trend in power, but if that is accompanied by higher OBP numbers than that seems acceptable.

I think he would make an offensive position of weakness into a big strength and would be great to plug into the 3 hole.


The Dude abides.

http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~dbmalmud/Dude.jpg

[Furious Jam]

It seems that people are generally down on Tejada. I think some have said that his skills are in marked decline.

He's not the MVP any longer. But he's one of the 10 best shortstops in baseball - maybe one of the 10 best third basemen too. So you're really getting a major upgrade at a position of weakness on this team. And perhaps just as important, he only has a few years left on his contract. A guy that age in slight decline with four or five years left, I say "no way". But on his current contract, I wouldn't hesitate.

[texanskan]

He's not the MVP any longer. But he's one of the 10 best shortstops in baseball - maybe one of the 10 best third basemen too. So you're really getting a major upgrade at a position of weakness on this team. And perhaps just as important, he only has a few years left on his contract. A guy that age in slight decline with four or five years left, I say "no way". But on his current contract, I wouldn't hesitate.

top 5 top 5

[Fiah]

Hold out for Josh Beckett. And Santana...

Right..won't happen.

[gunn]

Trade for Tejada - then watch him get washed away in the Mitchell report. What is Uncle Drayton's fascination with this guy? Luckily (and hopefully) Angelos gets in the way of Tejada deals.

Exactly. What is going on here? Is this 2004? This guy, in my opinion, has the steroid cloud all over him. Follow the trail.

- With Giambi in Oakland when he wins MVP
- In Baltimore when Palmerio goes down (IMO Brian Roberts is highly suspect also)
- oft injured
- power numbers in steady decline

[The Dude]

Oft injured?

Games Played-

1999 - 159
2000 - 160
2001 - 162
2002 - 162
2003 - 162
2004 - 162
2005 - 162
2006 - 162
2007 - 133

[toby]

http://www.wisecamel.com/images/Tejada-BandA2.gif

hmmmm . . . . .

[Furious Jam]

http://www.wisecamel.com/images/Tejada-BandA2.gif

hmmmm . . . . .

Now do Bagwell's rookie card!

[Nice Rollin]

Everett was one reason Angelos vetoed the deal; the Astros included him in their offer for Tejada, and Angelos did not want him.


lol

[hatemavs4life]

Sorry to burst everyone's bubble but this is what the Astros website has to say concerning the meetings and Tejada ... It appears Tejada talk again just talk because Angelos is a vacillating idiot and would not know a good deal if it bit him in the ASS! Don't think anything will come out of so-called Tejada rumors. If someone already reported this article, my mistake just skipped to last page on details.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071206&content_id=2320105&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou&partnered=rss_hou

[BMoney]

Right..won't happen.

Just like Bedard won't happen...check your sarcasm meter.

[Big Shot Bob]

A burke, everett and patton deal for tejada would e perfect for the simple fact that patton is overrated right now. He probally still ranks as a top 100 prospect in baseball but this kid is on the decline actually. He's a lefty but none of his pitches are sick. Plus he has durability issues at this age already. If he's gonna be a starter, he's not gonna be anything more than a 4-5 on a good team. We might as well trade him while value is high, which is what we didnt do with burke, lane, ensberg when we had the chance. I think this whole semi-untouchable stance that drayton had on him before helped too. This kid isnt gonna be anything special though. He's just a little overrated by astros fans cuz he's a hometown boy.

[DOMINATOR]

A burke, everett and patton deal for tejada would e perfect for the simple fact that patton is overrated right now. He probally still ranks as a top 100 prospect in baseball but this kid is on the decline actually. He's a lefty but none of his pitches are sick. Plus he has durability issues at this age already. If he's gonna be a starter, he's not gonna be anything more than a 4-5 on a good team. We might as well trade him while value is high, which is what we didnt do with burke, lane, ensberg when we had the chance. I think this whole semi-untouchable stance that drayton had on him before helped too. This kid isnt gonna be anything special though. He's just a little overrated by astros fans cuz he's a hometown boy.
i dont think thats the question... why are they going after tejada instead of a starting pitcher?

[br0ken_shad0w]

i dont think thats the question... why are they going after tejada instead of a starting pitcher?

I'm guessing they are going after starting pitching, but other teams aren't biting on our players and I don't blame them.

[yobod]

Damn I am good! No radio here at work! :)

I said it before you did! :D

[htownbball]

if they cant get a pitcher, the only alternative is going after a hitter at our weakest offensive position

[jtotheb]

Its not a PR ploy.... How is that good PR? :rolleyes:

To drum up interest when there isn't a whole lot right now.

[leroy420]

Exactly. What is going on here? Is this 2004? This guy, in my opinion, has the steroid cloud all over him. Follow the trail.

- With Giambi in Oakland when he wins MVP
- In Baltimore when Palmerio goes down (IMO Brian Roberts is highly suspect also)
- oft injured
- power numbers in steady decline

Seriously, if your going to speak out against someone, at least be remotely factual.

[SWTsig]

does anyone here have any doubt that this "deal" clearly will NOT happen?

[MaxwellsTemper]

does anyone here have any doubt that this "deal" clearly will NOT happen?
I still say all this is bogus.

[MadMax]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-sp.meetings07dec07,0,2727489.story

Several reports yesterday indicated that the Orioles were close to trading Tejada to the Houston Astros, though team sources said they were never imminently close to a deal for their shortstop or anybody else on the roster during the meetings. One team source confirmed that the two teams have had "significant discussions" and the Orioles believe the Astros have enough young talent to get a deal done.

However, a package headed by light-hitting shortstop Adam Everett and outfielder Luke Scott is not close to what it's going to take to pry Tejada from the Orioles. MacPhail also met this week with the St. Louis Cardinals, San Francisco Giants and Los Angeles Angels about Tejada. However, the Cardinals and Giants remain short on young, major league-ready talent that they are willing to trade, and the Angels have not aggressively pursued Tejada to this point.

[gunn]

Seriously, if your going to speak out against someone, at least be remotely factual.

Yeah I don't know what I was thinking with the injuy comment. I remember earlier this season when he was being talked about for consecutive games played. Sorry about that. Aside from that, I think the steriod trail is pretty obvious.

Start with these two cities and the players that played for these teams and the production increase that correlated.

Oakland
Houston

[leroy420]

Yeah I don't know what I was thinking with the injuy comment. I remember earlier this season when he was being talked about for consecutive games played. Sorry about that. Aside from that, I think the steriod trail is pretty obvious.

Start with these two cities and the players that played for these teams and the production increase that correlated.

Oakland
Houston

But it's not like Tejada just became a power hitter one day. He hit 20 hr in 113 games while in A ball & 22 hr in 128 games while in AA ball. He has always hit with decent power. I'm not saying he didn't. But there was not the jump in power or anything else that screams steroids...other than Rafael Palmiero calling him out.

[MadMax]

But it's not like Tejada just became a power hitter one day. He hit 20 hr in 113 games while in A ball & 22 hr in 128 games while in AA ball. He has always hit with decent power. I'm not saying he didn't. But there was not the jump in power or anything else that screams steroids...other than Rafael Palmiero calling him out.

I'm not saying he did or didn't...I have no idea.


But the fact there wasn't a jump in his numbers from the minors is an argument I hear a lot but don't understand. It assumes that he wasn't doing steroids in the minors.

[right1]

Chris Burke hit like .440 or something at Tennessee w/ 20 homeruns and a bunch of steals. He was the 10th overall selection in the draft. Seeing what he did in AAA and a decent 2006...a .276 avg. with some speed & power...he should have some value. So what if he had a crappy 2007. He has always been envisioned as a guy who could very well hit .300 with 15-20 homeruns and 30 steals. He even learned to play the outfield, albeit not that great, but not a liability. either. He and Luke Scott could pay huge dividends to someone willing to give them 500 AB's each.

[MadMax]

http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2007/12/everything_you.html

December 07, 2007
Everything you want to know about Miguel Tejada and the Astros.
1. Yes, the Orioles and Astros had intense discussions about a deal involving SS Miguel Tejada. Yes, the Orioles believe the Astros have enough talent to make the deal work. No, the two sides were never close to a deal. That's never, never, never. At one point Wednesday night, the Astros were hinting they were close to a major deal. Whether that was the Tejada trade or some other trade is unclear. Again, though, the Orioles were never going to accept Adam Everett, Chris Burke and a prospect.

2. Could the deal still happen? Absolutely. Andy MacPhail was among the most aggressive GMs at the meetings and would still like to reconfigure his roster. He also moves cautiously. He took the various proposals involving Tejada, Brian Roberts, etc., back to Baltimore and will continue to study them.

3. Would it be a good thing for the Astros? Yes. Tejada has declined as a defensive player. (I've heard the Astros were mulling over the possibility of him playing third.) His power numbers are down dramatically in recent years. You could have a long argument over how much Everett's defense offsets his lack of offense. In the end, I'd go for Tejada. With the financial commitment at a reasonable level (two years at $13M per), why not? It certainly deepens the lineup.

4. Yes, Tejada has been linked to steroids. I have no idea if his name will be included in the Mitchell report when it's released next Thursday. Yes, Tejada behaved badly in 2006. I also think he's not a problem in the clubhouse. When he was younger, he was an upbeat, energetic kid around teammates. He has changed some, but he's definitely not a problem.

[right1]

I guess what I'm saying is that a Burke, Scott, Everett for Tejada trade could be great for both sides.

[right1]

If that were to happen, I would like to see what happens with Tejada at 3rd, Matsui at short and Wigginton at second.

[MadMax]

If that were to happen, I would like to see what happens with Tejada at 3rd, Matsui at short and Wigginton at second.

I thought they tried Matsui at SS before, and it didn't work...didn't have the arm.

I hate the idea of Wigginton at second. I absolutely hate it.

I'd much rather trade Wigginton at that point...keep Everett at SS to preserve what I think could be great defense up the middle.

But I think if this deal happens it may involve Bourn...just my guess.

[right1]

They didn't try Matsui at SS for very long. He was considered the best Japanese shortstop ever and was always envisioned by scouts as being a mlb ss. At one point he was refusing to come over if he had to play 2b. I don't know to much about Wiggy's capabilities or lack thereof at second base, but I'd would HATE to have to give up Bourn. I'm excited about him in CF.

I thought they tried Matsui at SS before, and it didn't work...didn't have the arm.

I hate the idea of Wigginton at second. I absolutely hate it.

I'd much rather trade Wigginton at that point...keep Everett at SS to preserve what I think could be great defense up the middle.

But I think if this deal happens it may involve Bourn...just my guess.

[MadMax]

I really don't wanna give up Bourn either.

Everything I heard is that when he got here, Matsui couldn't play SS. The Mets moved him because they questioned both his range and his arm. I'd be less inclined to question his range, but then again they watched him play that position a lot more than i did.

Wiggy as a middle infielder scares the hell out of me.

[msn]

If that were to happen, I would like to see what happens with Tejada at 3rd, Matsui at short and Wigginton at second.
You'd better score 8 runs per game as you watch your pitching staff's ERA soar whilst all those routine grounders become singles. Seriously, that may be the worst defensiving infield in the major leagues. Yech.

[rterry]

People fretting over this trade are way over-valuing our players. Tejada is a huge upgrade to our offense over Everett. Everett, Burke or Scott, and any pitcher besides Roy and Qualls should be a no brainer and I'm sure it is for the Astros. I don't think we can get Tejada for what we are offering.

It is true that our number 1 need is a starter, but there are none available. We don't have the trading chips to land a number 2 or 3 starter and the FA's available suck. Tejada will significantly upgrade our team and it is only a 2 year contract. It won't prevent us from seeking pitching next year. We need too much to get it all in one off-season.

[No Worries]

I hate the idea of Wigginton at second. I absolutely hate it.
How about Tejada at second and keep Wigginton at third?

[MadMax]

How about Tejada at second and keep Wigginton at third?

And Matsui at SS??

Again, the Mets tried Matsui at SS and declared him a disaster. That was 3 years ago. He's 32 now...I'm guessing arm and range haven't improved.

[NJRocket]

If this pipe dream comes to fruition...my opinion would have Loretta play SS, MIggy 3B and keep Kaz at 2B.....Ty would be a util guy (who can also fill in at 1B as he did in tampa) or trade bait

[MadMax]

If this pipe dream comes to fruition...my opinion would have Loretta play SS, MIggy 3B and keep Kaz at 2B.....Ty would be a util guy (who can also fill in at 1B as he did in tampa) or trade bait

Loretta can't play SS and doesn't want to, from what I understand.

[NJRocket]

Loretta can't play SS and doesn't want to, from what I understand.


didnt he play a few times last year? i guess either way its irrelevant if he doesnt want to.

is eckstein a FA? didnt the cards just sign izturis?

[msn]

Eckstein is a FA and I've read that he's marketing himself as a 2B.

[No Worries]

And Matsui at SS??.
Loretta!!! Didn't Mark start at SS last year while Adam was hurt?

[MadMax]

didnt he play a few times last year? i guess either way its irrelevant if he doesnt want to.



he put his body there, yes. coach told him to go play SS. that doesn't mean he can legitimately field the position. :D

[MadMax]

Loretta!!!

ummm..no. did you watch that last year??

[No Worries]

ummm..no. did you watch that last year??
Yes, he was OK. Methinks you might be comparing his glove to Everett's, which is no comparison.

If we get Tejada and lose Everett, the Astos would have the following roster SSs: Tejada, Loretta, Blum, Burke, Matsui. And whoever is playing SS @ AAA would also be a consideration. The Astros wouldn't lack SSs; they would lack a glove gold SS.

[MadMax]

Yes, he was OK. Methinks you might be comparing his glove to Everett's, which is no comparison.

If we get Tejada and lose Everett, the Astos would have the following roster SSs: Tejada, Loretta, Blum, Burke, Matsui. And whoever is playing SS @ AAA would also be a consideration. The Astros wouldn't lack SSs; they would lack a glove gold SS.

Loretta is not OK. He wouldn't tell you he's OK at it, if you asked him. He's not a SS. And if you're talking about playing Wigginton at 2B with him at SS, your defense up the middle is a joke.

[NJRocket]

; they would lack a glove gold SS.

which may pose a problem since we have Oswalt and 4 days full of BP pitchers right now

[No Worries]

which may pose a problem since we have Oswalt and 4 days full of BP pitchers right now
...but didn't the Astros and their BP starters win more games while Everett was out?

[NIKEstrad]

Yes, he was OK. Methinks you might be comparing his glove to Everett's, which is no comparison.

If we get Tejada and lose Everett, the Astos would have the following roster SSs: Tejada, Loretta, Blum, Burke, Matsui. And whoever is playing SS @ AAA would also be a consideration. The Astros wouldn't lack SSs; they would lack a glove gold SS.

Loretta, Blum, and Burke are hardly shortstops (and Burke may be gone in a trade, too). The talk is Tejada may not be much of one. Matsui may be a possible option at short, since I'm presuming he was moved to 2nd by Colorado for Tulowitzki.

The Astros wouldn't just lack a gold glove SS; they would lack even a mediocre gloved SS.

[msn]

Loretta, Blum, and Burke are hardly shortstops (and Burke may be gone in a trade, too). The talk is Tejada may not be much of one. Matsui may be a possible option at short, since I'm presuming he was moved to 2nd by Colorado for Tulowitzki.

The Astros wouldn't just lack a gold glove SS; they would lack even a mediocre gloved SS.
Matsui was moved by the Mets to 2B because he sucked at SS (at least that's what I read).

[kaleidosky]

god please no loretta at SS..

[Dennis2112]

Tejada's zone rating was ranked 7th best in the majors (would have been 8th if Everett had not gone down with injury). Tejada was recovering from a smashed hand by a beanball so its understandable his power numbers would be down last year. The year before was his highest OPS ever in his career so I think the word "declining " has been used improperly.

His Defense is not what Everett can give you but its not far off and his Offensive production is light year ahead of Everett, "declining" or not.

[No Worries]

Tejada's zone rating was ranked 7th best in the majors (would have been 8th if Everett had not gone down with injury).
7th is nothing to sneeze at.

[Summer Song Giver]

I miss Gerald Young and Eric Yelding, but we do have Bourn and Kaz now see we'll see.

[juicystream]

Matsui was moved by the Mets to 2B because he sucked at SS (at least that's what I read).

You would be correct. Matsui is not a viable option at SS. He was leading all shortstops in errors when he came over. He can't play short over here.

[bobrek]

I miss Gerald Young and Eric Yelding, but we do have Bourn and Kaz now see we'll see.

Why do you miss those guys? They each had one good stolen base year while with the Astros and they were in different years. Yelding's career OBP is lower than Everett's. Young had one year where he stole 34 bases and was caught 25 times. Young's lifetime SLUGGING percentage is barely over .300 while Yelding's is under .300. (by contrast Everett's is close to .360) They would have been good on a 400 meter relay team, but as baseball players, they were not very good.

[MadMax]

Why do you miss those guys? They each had one good stolen base year while with the Astros and they were in different years. Yelding's career OBP is lower than Everett's. Young had one year where he stole 34 bases and was caught 25 times. Young's lifetime SLUGGING percentage is barely over .300 while Yelding's is under .300. (by contrast Everett's is close to .360) They would have been good on a 400 meter relay team, but as baseball players, they were not very good.

nice guys, though! :)

gerald young is a hitting instructor at Baseball USA. great with kids and a genuinely nice guy.

[bobrek]

nice guys, though! :)

gerald young is a hitting instructor at Baseball USA. great with kids and a genuinely nice guy.

I don't doubt that one bit. Hope the kids he's helping hit better than him. :)

[MadMax]

Hope the kids he's helping hit better than him. :)

I hope so, too!! :)

[kaleidosky]

I miss Gerald Young and Eric Yelding, but we do have Bourn and Kaz now see we'll see.

I miss Andujar Cedeno.. for no good reason, I just liked him!

[right1]

I miss Andujar Cedeno.. for no good reason, I just liked him!

I miss Joaquin Andujar. And Jim Pankovits. And Frank Dipino.

[msn]

I miss Joaquin Andujar.
¡junberno!

[msn]

¡junberno!
aargh; misspelled it!

¡juneberno!

[Jake_B]

I miss Joaquin Andujar. And Jim Pankovits. And Frank Dipino.

LOL Frank Dipino! He was involved in a "Major Deal" when we trade him for Davey Lopes. :D

I miss Louie Meadows, Aurelio "Senor Smoke" Lopez and Mike Simms

[Deckard]

I miss Bob Aspromonte and Jimmy Wynn, along with countless great Astros pitchers, from back when we had great pitching and not a hell of a lot more. Has this turned into a "What do we miss?" thread about the Astros? I could come up with more! ;)

[Jake_B]

Has this turned into a "What do we miss?" thread about the Astros? I could come up with more! ;)

I think it would be more entertaining! I lost interest in reading about who will play SS.

I miss Glenn "Big Bopper" Davis, Bill Doran, and Terry Puhl