Sometimes INSTANT ... isn't always the answer!

[hatemavs4life]

Saw this article in today's chronicle by John McClain and I deemed it thought provoking. In all honesty, why are the Texan fans in such a tiff? Frankly, if you cannot see the subtle changes and improvements in this football team you obviously forgot how pathetic the first few years were. I am not apologizing for the Texans or anything like that. I am simply stating what McClain is. To build a great team you must have coaching, and some time. A lot of franchises constantly are rebuilding because they want the Promised Land train now! I mean this team hasn't imploded or melted down because we have yet to accomplish anything substantial.

BUT, instead of focusing on what's wrong with the Texans, let's focus on some positives for a change ...

Mario, the so-called 1st pick bust in the 2006 draft currently has 8.5 sacks which puts him 4th in the AFC in that category and he's showing consistency.

AJ, if not for 7 weeks on IR for his knee, no doubt would be a pro bowl candidate AGAIN! He STILL may get 1000 yds receiving in spite of everything that's happened.

DeMeco! Man what more can you say about this guy other than, STUD! Currently 2nd in the NFL in tackles.

Schaub in his first REAL season in the NFL, has had ups and downs, but he obviously has the makings of becoming a good field general in the huddle.

The OL has allowed less than 20 sacks thus far. A far cry from previous years, huh? Of course we have a good idea now why that was then and why it is that way now!

A young nucleus of talent that will be the catalyst for the Texans to becoming a perennial playoff team. Daniels, AJ, Dunta, Freddy, DeMeco, Mario, and Okoye to name a few.

Lastly, no team has been bit harder by the injury bug than the Texans and yet, this team has managed until recent to stay relevant in the playoff picture. Would that have been the case a few years ago?

Let's give the coaching staff one more year, another draft, hopefully purge the last of the "dead wood" on the team and let's hit the ground running for what should be a break out year in 2008!

Frankly, some of you all on here need to bite into a big bran muffin and wash it down with some prune juice because you're in dire need of good emotional cleansing. :D

Relax we're getting better and we're gonna get a lot better! Buck up Texan fans!

Here's the link for the article ...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5352460.html

[StupidMoniker]

How does he have time to write articles about Houston football when he is so busy jumping motorcycles into helicopters and dropping girls down elevator shafts? :confused:

[Joe Joe]

How does he have time to write articles about Houston football when he is so busy jumping motorcycles into helicopters and dropping girls down elevator shafts? :confused:

I thought it was a car instead of a motorcycle?

[mogrod]

I completely agree. The future looks bright for the Texans.

It's only the second year of the Smith/Kubiak era and you can already see a major difference in the direction the team is headed. There has some real dissapointing losses this season, but they have played with just about every team on the schedule. Turnovers and injuries have really taken it's toll on seeing how good this team could have been this year. Though I don' think they would be playoff bound, they certainly would have been a team to be reckoned with.

They have an improving O-line, they are starting to really have some playmakers at WR/TE and I've seen enough of Shaub to see some real potential as has he gains more experience as a starter. Boy, how good will this offense be if they had a RB that could carry it 25 times a game with efficiency, catch it out of the backfield and was a threat to break anything into a long play.

Defensively, they are going to be a VERY STOUT team the next few years IMO. Mario is slowly becoming that guy we hoped he would be, Omobi shows a lot of promise and we all know about Demeco and Dunta (hope he came back it back to his former self though). I think they've found that other corner in Bennett, he looks like a real keeper. They just need another pass rusher on the other end from Mario and some more talent at the safety positions and they are set.

Oh, and they have some real cap room for the first time this offseason as well (Please, go get Allan Faneca!!!).

I would obviously love it if they just bust onto the scene and go far into the playoffs like the Saints did, but I just love that they are BUILDING a team to be a consistent winner, not a one-hit wonder.

[Ric]

In all honesty, why are the Texan fans in such a tiff?
houston football fans have been without a winning team for 14 years.

[slowmustang]

Imagine how the Aints,Bengals, and Lions feel. As long as the Texans don't end up like them. Those teams just seem to be doomed.

[spence99]

I'll agree they are improving except for the offensive line. It is terrible. The only reason sacks are down this year is because our QB's get rid of the ball quicker. Carr always held on too long resulting in higher sack numbers. They need to address the offensive line ASAP. If they can get that fixed, then I see good things ahead.

[yobod]

houston football fans have been without a winning team for 14 years.

Nail...head...you get the point. I am really happy with Mario Williams's play as of late however.

[ima_drummer2k]

This has been such a frustrating season, in many ways even more than the 2-14 season. At least we could laugh at the 2-14 team.

The moves we made this offseason, combined with how our 1st team offense looked during the preseason (we put it to the Dallas 1st team D and they are now 10-1) combined with our 2-0 start... I was primed for this team to FINALLY get over the hump. Not a Superbowl run, mind you, just maybe a 9-7 season with a playoff berth looked like a reasonable expectation.

All the sudden, our players started going down like flys with injuries. I know that's no excuse, but you can't deny it's made a difference with 2 or 3 wins and that would have us in the playoffs.

I still think good things are on the horizon with this team, but I was really hoping for THIS year instead of the perverbial next year.

[solid]

Frankly, some of you all on here need to bite into a big bran muffin and wash it down with some prune juice because you're in dire need of good emotional cleansing. :D l]http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5352460.html[/url]

Does that really work?! :eek: ;)

[K mf G]

i'm not a believer in shcaub yet

[Ric]

I am really happy with Mario Williams's play as of late however.
no, no - he's a bust. he personally set the franchise back 128,237,437,473,828,929,129 years. he's a project; he'll never be any good; he doesn't "just win" or have "it" or have any "flair".

(isn't it funny/rewarding how quiet the people trying to run mario out of town have gotten?.........)

[hatemavs4life]

houston football fans have been without a winning team for 14 years.

I know that Ric but consider this, would we rather have one playoff year surrounded by numerous mediocre or even pathetic finishes like the new Browns have had or would we like several potential years of playoff dominance if we just exhibit a little bit of patience?

[hatemavs4life]

I'll agree they are improving except for the offensive line. It is terrible. The only reason sacks are down this year is because our QB's get rid of the ball quicker. Carr always held on too long resulting in higher sack numbers. They need to address the offensive line ASAP. If they can get that fixed, then I see good things ahead.

Yes, sacks have not been a true indication of the state of the OL for the Texans. Plus, our running game it has been a combination of average to sub par RB's this season and lack of continuity on the OL due to injuries. The facts are this if Spencer can't come back and we have to prepare for that possibility I think we have to go heavy OL drafting in the upcoming draft say at least 3 or 4 of our possible 6 picks. If we do not do a better job of protecting Schaub his career will be over very quickly.

[hatemavs4life]

Does that really work?! :eek: ;)

Well, lets just say it's one thing to be regular and it's a complete other thing to be unstoppable! LOL! :D

[Surfguy]

The moves we made this offseason, combined with how our 1st team offense looked during the preseason (we put it to the Dallas 1st team D and they are now 10-1) combined with our 2-0 start... I was primed for this team to FINALLY get over the hump.

Since when has preseason ever dictated how good a team will be in the regular season? Usually never...because it's a time for evaluating players. Oh but you stuck it to Dallas's 1st team D in a preseason game. Big deal. It's pretty sad when you have to refer back to preseason as some kind of foreshadowing on how you think your team will fare in the regular season. Sorry to say there is no accurate forecast that can be made of regular season performance from preseason play. But, you keep trying there. Maybe if you believe it hard enough...? lol

[Ric]

I know that Ric but consider this, would we rather have one playoff year surrounded by numerous mediocre or even pathetic finishes like the new Browns have had or would we like several potential years of playoff dominance if we just exhibit a little bit of patience?
lordy... where to begin...

bless the ever living hell out of that half-full glass of yours, hatesmavs4life, but there's not a soul among even half-ass texan fans that would keep six, go-nowhere mediocre seasons over seven go-nowhere mediocre seasons that come attached with two playoff seasons. especially when you step back from the battle red-tinted glasses and realize that there is no way to guarantee "years of playoff dominance." and even if you could, cleveland is much closer to realizing that than houston.

the texans are in the league's strongest division; they're probably two years away from crawling out of the cellar, much less enjoying the playoffs on a regular basis. it's inching forward in the right direction, but we have a rookie QB who will likely miss the equivilant of seven games; we have no running back; we still have mutliple problems along our OL; non-descript OLBs, and need at least 3 upgrades in the defensive backfield.

i can't imagine the texans being playoff ready any earlier than 2009, unless they hit a home run in next year's draft and unearth a game-changer like an adrian peterson.

[hatemavs4life]

lordy... where to begin...

bless the ever living hell out of that half-full glass of yours, hatesmavs4life, but there's not a soul among even half-ass texan fans that would keep six, go-nowhere mediocre seasons over seven go-nowhere mediocre seasons that come attached with two playoff seasons. especially when you step back from the battle red-tinted glasses and realize that there is no way to guarantee "years of playoff dominance." and even if you could, cleveland is much closer to realizing that than houston.

the texans are in the league's strongest division; they're probably two years away from crawling out of the cellar, much less enjoying the playoffs on a regular basis. it's inching forward in the right direction, but we have a rookie QB who will likely miss the equivilant of seven games; we have no running back; we still have mutliple problems along our OL; non-descript OLBs, and need at least 3 upgrades in the defensive backfield.

i can't imagine the texans being playoff ready any earlier than 2009, unless they hit a home run in next year's draft and unearth a game-changer like an adrian peterson.

Understand. I don't think what I'm saying is rose colored tinted at all. The Texans have started building a REAL nucleus of talent and if we would have had 2 or 3 more REAL drafts instead of mostly flops sans Dunta and AJ, we would already be there.

Yes, I'm as frustrated as anyone else but, again remember the first few years we could not even compete. We were a joke. Now, we are actually being competitive in spite of this rash of injuries. The next step in the evolution is winning the games we're supposed to and winning some we're not and developing confidence with our young nucleus and watching them soar.

Do I hate losing? You're DAMN right I do! But I would hate more being like the Detroit Lions and having the foundation all boogered up. Meaning success may come for a time but it will be with a price and likely MORE rebuilding. Do you want that?

Let's get the job done and let's get it done, right that's what I say ...

The third year always seems to be the charm for good coaching staffs to turn around a team.

Look, Kubiak has won wherever he's gone. Did you hear that? WHEREVER! He won a state championship with St Pius X. He won SWC championships with A&M. He won as a player with Denver but, found he was better equipped at coaching than playing. He coached John Elway as a QB coach. He helped Denver first taste playoff success (for first time since late 70's) and then, later as the OC helped coach the Broncos to 2 super bowl victories!

I know you all are saying what have you done for me lately, Gary? We're still losing. We have depth problems. We have OL issues. We have safety issues.

I'm just saying give Gary one more year before calling for his scalp. I just have a feeling if we do finish with a losing record this year that it may very well be our last for some time. We're close in some areas. We're just not there quite yet.

[ima_drummer2k]

Since when has preseason ever dictated how good a team will be in the regular season? Usually never...because it's a time for evaluating players. Oh but you stuck it to Dallas's 1st team D in a preseason game. Big deal. It's pretty sad when you have to refer back to preseason as some kind of foreshadowing on how you think your team will fare in the regular season. Sorry to say there is no accurate forecast that can be made of regular season performance from preseason play. But, you keep trying there. Maybe if you believe it hard enough...? lol
The point of my post was to say how good the 1st team offense looked against the other team's 1st team defense during the preseason but mostly during the 1st two regular season games. I wasn't talking smack about your precious Cowboys and the preseason game... so you can stop sh1tting napalm, relax, and go dry off your little Dallas Cowboy panties now..

[Puedlfor]

Lastly, no team has been bit harder by the injury bug than the Texans and yet, this team has managed until recent to stay relevant in the playoff picture. Would that have been the case a few years ago?

Well . . . that's not true. The Bills have had much worse injuries. Buffalo's probably had worse injuries than any two teams in the league.

[hatemavs4life]

Well . . . that's not true. The Bills have had much worse injuries. Buffalo's probably had worse injuries than any two teams in the league.

Not what I heard the Texans have a total of 16 players out or on IR right now. Even if that is the case what you're saying think how many KEY position injuries we've had.

Glenn Earl, Jason Simmons, Steve McKinney, Jerome Mathis.

Key injuries off/on this season: Ahman Green, Jacoby Jones, and Matt Schaub.

Then, AJ was gone for 7 weeks. Hard to have consistency when you have no continuity and you can't have continuity if you don't develop a rhythm on offense and defense with your team. Thus ...

[Ric]

Yes, I'm as frustrated as anyone else but, again remember the first few years we could not even compete. We were a joke. Now, we are actually being competitive in spite of this rash of injuries.
ehhh... in their 7 losses, the texans have entered the 4Q trailing by an average score of 16. it's certainly a better, more entertaining, more competive team than it was even last year and it's certainly a far cry from the '05 team... but it still has a LONG way to go.

and i disagree with the characterization that the team didn't compete its first three years. if they wind up with 7 wins this year, they'll have a total of 15 between '05 and '07. the won 16 in their first three years, including some real quality wins as an expansion team.

Look, Kubiak has won wherever he's gone. Did you hear that? WHEREVER! He won a state championship with St Pius X. He won SWC championships with A&M. He won as a player with Denver but, found he was better equipped at coaching than playing. He coached John Elway as a QB coach. He helped Denver first taste playoff success (for first time since late 70's) and then, later as the OC helped coach the Broncos to 2 super bowl victories!
uhm...

a) kubiak was not part of any swc conference championships at texas a&m; b) not that it's easy, or fair, to diminish an individual player's possible contributions to a team's success, but to credit kubiak with winning "as a player with Denver" is stretching it; c) not that it's easy, or fair, to diminish a coach's possible contribution to a team's success, but you're glorifying kubiak's tenure as a coach in denver, especially given the numerous reports of how hands-on shanahan was/is with the offense.

i like kubiak, more or less - but let's not pretend the team hired vince lombardi, jr. there are things he does that greatly frustrate me, and there are things about this team that i hate that i place right at his feet.

I'm just saying give Gary one more year before calling for his scalp.
i don't think anyone's calling for his scalp; and certainly not me. he took over an awful football team; it's gotten progressively better during his tenure. i expect it will continue to get better next year.

but i think the team is a good 2-3 years away from being a real force; mainly because it's going to be a struggle not to finish last in their own division.

[No Worries]

i don't think anyone's calling for his scalp; and certainly not me.
I will call for his head if the Texans do not end up 8-8 or better.

[Ric]

I will call for his head if the Texans do not end up 8-8 or better.
this year?... they're not going 8-8. they'll be lucky to finish with 7 wins, given the opponents (combined 31-17 record, and that's with denver posting a flaccid 5-7). 6 is most likely.

[hatemavs4life]

I am just saying, Ric it's important to bring someone who's been in a culture of winning and knows HOW to win! Never claimed he was Lombardi but he's a definite upgrade from crappers, I mean Capers. :D I'll have to research his time at A&M more carefully. For the record, I made an assumption because early 80-mid 80's (A&M) was pretty successful, so was SMU in '82 and of course, Texas in '83 and then blowing a National Championship opportunity by losing to Georgia. Had no business losing that game. it was he and Kevin Murray QB'ing during that era I seem to recall. In any case, my mistake on that claim. Oops ... :) Was in high school starting in 84-85, that's when I started following college football and actually remembered it!

[No Worries]

6 is most likely.
Didn't we win 6 last year? I can't see the reason why Kubiak is going to survive the offseason. Fire him now! Get it over with.

[Ric]

I am just saying, Ric it's important to bring someone who's been in a culture of winning and knows HOW to win! Never claimed he was Lombardi but he's a definite upgrade from crappers, I mean Capers.
well, capers had a pretty decent track record, too - took a second-year expansion team within 60 minutes of a super bowl and was the steelers' defensive coordinator, iirc, when they went to their conference championship in '94.

but, yes - it's nice to have on your coach's resume; no doubt. i just think you were glorifying kubiak's a bit.

it was he and Kevin Murray QB'ing during that era I seem to recall.
kubiak was there, pre-sherrill - '78-'82-ish; murray was '84-'86-ish. they were never teammates.

no big deal.

[Ric]

Didn't we win 6 last year? I can't see the reason why Kubiak is going to survive the offseason. Fire him now! Get it over with.
i can't tell if you're being sarcastic, or not. kubiak took over the worst team in football and midway through year 2, he had it in playoff contention. there's a lot of work left to be done, and i'm not entirely sold on the guy just yet, but he certainly has a knack for finding talent.

[MadMax]

Didn't we win 6 last year? I can't see the reason why Kubiak is going to survive the offseason. Fire him now! Get it over with.

they won't do that...but if he doesn't get them to 8-8 next season, then i think he's probably gone.

[gunn]

they won't do that...but if he doesn't get them to 8-8 next season, then i think he's probably gone.

I'd hate to see him go. I think he is a damn good coach.

[No Worries]

i can't tell if you're being sarcastic, or not. Kubiak took over the worst team in football and midway through year 2, he had it in playoff contention. there's a lot of work left to be done, and i'm not entirely sold on the guy just yet, but he certainly has a knack for finding talent.
Not being sarcastic.

The Texans were not the worst team in football talent wise when Kubiak took over. Their record reflected that the team stop playing for Capers (who is doing a bang up job in Maimi as we speak).

The talent that Kubiak inherited when he took over was one year removed from being a bubble playoff team. I do not see any progress.

I like the talent that the Texans have drafted the last two years. (Hat tip to the GM.) But the new talent has not translated into a difference to the bottom line. This has to laid at the feet of the head coach.

BTW, I thought Kubiak was a good hire at the time.

[Ric]

I'd hate to see him go. I think he is a damn good coach.
he frustrates me more than he lights a fire under me. the 3Q has been a disaster nearly every single game of his tenure; i don't like the approach he's taken with the RBs or the OL; i'm still bewildered by the david carr experiment; i'm pissed kevin walter was buried last year; i'm still VERY skeptical of the schaub deal, not necessarily because of schaub, per se - but more because i just didn't think we were in position to trade away two more second round picks.

do you guys realize between the 2004 and 2008 drafts, we will have added exactly one player to our roster from the second round. ONE! the one player was only demeco ryans - not like this team could use 4 more ryans-level talents....

there are things about kubiak i really like, but there's nothing in place right now - other than talent evaluation - that i would miss next year if he was gone.

[Ric]

The talent that Kubiak inherited when he took over was one year removed from being a bubble playoff team. I do not see any progress.
what "talent" did he inherit from the previous regime? andre johnson, dunta robinson and....? off the top of my head, there were 7 players in our opening day starting line-up from the previous regime (johnson, pitts, mckinney, weary, greenwood, faggins and brown). faggins likely won't make next year's team, and brown is merely a placeholder until they can find someone better. and pitts, weary and greenwood are by no means irreplaceable.

the team's best players and its nucleus moving forward (save for johnson and robinson) were ALL acquired after kubiak's hiring.

he inherited THE. WORST. TEAM. IN. FOOTBALL. it's not even up for debate.

[Ric]

btw, it sounds in those two posts like i'm talking out of both sides of my mouth... so to clarify a bit: i'm cautiously optimistic about kubiak; he inherited an awful football team and has put together an impressive nucelus moving forward in a relatively short amount of time.

at the same time, i'd like to see more development from him as a coach, but realize he's battling injuries that are beyond his control right now. so the notion of firing him this year, or even next year (barring an '05-like meltdown) is silly.

[pgabriel]

no, no - he's a bust. he personally set the franchise back 128,237,437,473,828,929,129 years. he's a project; he'll never be any good; he doesn't "just win" or have "it" or have any "flair".

(isn't it funny/rewarding how quiet the people trying to run mario out of town have gotten?.........)


it must be fun to argue with yourself

[gunn]

he frustrates me more than he lights a fire under me. the 3Q has been a disaster nearly every single game of his tenure; i don't like the approach he's taken with the RBs or the OL; i'm still bewildered by the david carr experiment; i'm pissed kevin walter was buried last year; i'm still VERY skeptical of the schaub deal, not necessarily because of schaub, per se - but more because i just didn't think we were in position to trade away two more second round picks.

do you guys realize between the 2004 and 2008 drafts, we will have added exactly one player to our roster from the second round. ONE! the one player was only demeco ryans - not like this team could use 4 more ryans-level talents....

there are things about kubiak i really like, but there's nothing in place right now - other than talent evaluation - that i would miss next year if he was gone.

I see your points, and I think they're valid. But at the same time, you are always skeptical about this team and its players. I think right now some are expecting Kubiak win the Kentucky Derby when all he has got is a donkey in the race. You know as much as anyone that Casserly and Co. left the cuboard completely bare, let alone in cap hell, and it's going to be a 3-4 year process to restock and rehaul the roster.

As for the Carr situation, imo, that is all on McNair. I truely believe he is the reason why David was re-signed. He couldn't let it go.

[No Worries]

what "talent" did he inherit from the previous regime? andre johnson, dunta robinson and....?
You forgot David Carr!!! :)

3/5 of the OL: Chester Pitts, McKinney, Weary.
TE: Bruener.
DT: Travis Johnson.
LB: Greenwood, Anderson.
DB: Brown.

[Ric]

3/5 of the OL: Chester Pitts, McKinney, Weary.
TE: Bruener.
DT: Travis Johnson.
LB: Greenwood, Anderson.
DB: Brown.
bruener? anderson? and you think he inherited "talent"?

[Ric]

it must be fun to argue with yourself
how am i arguing with myself? i've said repeatedly in this thread that kubiak's greatest contribution has been his talent evaluation. mario williams is a big part of that...

[No Worries]

bruener? anderson? and you think he inherited "talent"?
So you are cherry picking the nonstarters from my list.

[pgabriel]

how am i arguing with myself? i've said repeatedly in this thread that kubiak's greatest contribution has been his talent evaluation. mario williams is a big part of that...


no one in here criticized mario

[msn]

no one in here criticized mario
I'm glad he brought it up. Williams has been drug through the mud enough here, I'm glad to someone rub it the faces of the VYOF crowd every time he gets a sack.

[pgabriel]

I'm glad he brought it up. Williams has been drug through the mud enough here, I'm glad to someone rub it the faces of the VYOF crowd every time he gets a sack.


mario's had a good season, vy's is in the playoff hunt

[msn]

...then I'll encourage you to find a Titans board on which to follow him through his one-week playoff run.

[pgabriel]

...then I'll encourage you to find a Titans board on which to follow him through his one-week playoff run.


I'll encourage you to find a texans board. because this is a rockets forum.

[MR. MEOWGI]

I'll encourage you to find a texans board. because this is a rockets forum.

A HOUSTON Rockets forum.

Don't be dense.

[msn]

I'll encourage you to find a texans board. because this is a rockets forum.
"Texans, Astros, Comets"

[pgabriel]

msn,

you're the one who can't keep vy's name out your mouth to "rub it in", so don't bitch when someone rubs it back.

[Ric]

no one in here criticized mario
"here" being this thread or this forum?

[updawg]

no one in here criticized mario
Ric thinks anyone who would have preferred VY over Mario is bashing Mario

[msn]

msn,

you're the one who can't keep vy's name out your mouth to "rub it in", so don't bitch when someone rubs it back.
Oh, I won't complain. Just point out how stupid it is.

Titans without VY: 1-0
Titans without Hanesworth: 0-3

Hanesworth just wins.

[Ric]

Ric thinks anyone who would have preferred VY over Mario is bashing Mario
uhm... updawg, pgabriel began a thread specifically calling out the defensive line play a few weeks ago.

they've been - far and away - the team's lone consistent bright spot from day 1 this year; people are only just now noticing because most only care about/consider sacks as an indicator of success.

this has nothing to do with baby vince; he wasn't even mentioned by me. hell, i prefered bush.

[rrj_gamz]

I think another year at best...I must admit, I was a little over-stoked about this year and was expecting playoffs...The injury bug wiped this away...

Next year, that's another story...

[updawg]

Next year, that's another story...

The story of a sports fans life...

[pgabriel]

Oh, I won't complain. Just point out how stupid it is.

Titans without VY: 1-0
Titans without Hanesworth: 0-3

Hanesworth just wins.

vy vs. texans 3-0

scoreboard. stop bitching

[msn]

vy vs. texans 3-0

scoreboard. stop bitching
Most of the league looks that good against the Texans.

You're probably right that it's counterproductive for me to bitch about the bitching. But let's be abundantly clear on which bitch was bitching first: VYOFs. VYOFs like you.

[pgabriel]

uhm... updawg, pgabriel began a thread specifically calling out the defensive line play a few weeks ago.



they've been good the last three weeks, continuing dishonesty from ric. I started that thread before the first titans game. almost two months ago when they weren't playing well.


just a little clarification.

[pgabriel]

oh and ric also failed to mention that the thread I started had nothing to do with the titan game, yet he thought it did and and was his usual smartass self about it and gave a half apology when he realized his mistake but said he was still right in being a smartass

[pgabriel]

Most of the league looks that good against the Texans.

You're probably right that it's counterproductive for me to bitch about the bitching. But let's be abundantly clear on which bitch was bitching first: VYOFs. VYOFs like you.


who brought up vy in this thread?

[pgabriel]

and again, no one can have a reasonable discussion about mario without some sensitive little school girl claiming a vy agenda. you guys are the ones who need to let it go.

[Ric]

and again, no one can have a reasonable discussion about mario without some sensitive little school girl claiming a vy agenda. you guys are the ones who need to let it go.
coughcough
oh and ric also failed to mention that the thread I started had nothing to do with the titan game, yet he thought it did and and was his usual smartass self about it and gave a half apology when he realized his mistake but said he was still right in being a smartass

[pgabriel]

coughcough

coughcough,

dufus, I'm refering to msn, stop being so myopic.

[Ric]

they've been good the last three weeks, continuing dishonesty from ric.
gee, i can't imagine why you'd label the past three weeks good... probably has absolutely NOTHING to do with mario williams posting 4.5 sacks in those three weeks. nope; can't be - we all know you see beyond silly, arbitrary measurements like sacks.

they've been good all year; as stated, the lone consistent bright spot.

[Ric]

dufus
so soon?

I'm refering to msn, stop being so myopic. if that post was directed at you, I would have said so
so letting something go and not acting like a little school girl is the exclusive domain of only those that bring up baby vince?

[updawg]

I'd add the wr's as a bright spot

[pgabriel]

they've been good all year; as stated, the lone consistent bright spot.


as usual, your myopic posting style

ric said so it must be true


-----> :rolleyes:

look, I'm not going to debate how the line was doing so good, they let joey harrington have a career day. I've moved on

[Mr. Clutch]

I can't figure out how this turned into a VY thread. I have re-read the thread twice and cannot pinpoint the exact moment it turned.

Perhaps someday scientists will figure it out.

[pgabriel]

so soon?


so letting something go and not acting like a little school girl is the exclusive domain of only those that bring up baby vince?


wait a minute ric, I didn't even bring up baby vince in the post you're referecing, so i don't even know what you're talking about. i was just reference your ignorant half cocked rant in that thread that you had to take back once you realized your mistake.

[pgabriel]

gee, i can't imagine why you'd label the past three weeks good... probably has absolutely NOTHING to do with mario williams posting 4.5 sacks in those three weeks. nope; can't be - we all know you see beyond silly, arbitrary measurements like sacks.




you know you're so wishy washy in your defense of mario I don't know if sacks are a good measure this week or bad so I don't know how to respond to this post.

[Ric]

look, I'm not going to debate how the line was doing so good, they let joey harrington have a career day. I've moved on
the line - THE. LINE. - let joey harrington have a career day? the other seven defensive starters, the nickel and dime backs, the offense which left a minium of 10 points on the field... they all did their jobs that afternoon? it was the line, and line only, completely at fault?

wait a minute ric, I didn't even bring up baby vince in the post you're referecing, so i don't even know what you're talking about.
i'm talking about your, "sensitive little school girl; let it go" comment following you bringing up a two-month old thread that you and only you care about, reference or even remember.

i was just reference your ignorant half cocked rant in that thread that you had to take back once you realized your mistake.
and what relevance did it have to this discussion, other than serving as your latest flaccid attempt to try and one up someone in the forum?

here, pgabriel, i'll spell it out for you: no one can have a reasonable discussion without some sensitive little school girl bringing up an old, irrelevant thread from two months ago. you need to let it go.

get it?

[StupidMoniker]

they've been good all year; as stated, the lone consistent bright spot.
The Texans are 25th in the NFL against the run, if the DL has been a consistent bright spot, you guys must have the worst LBs and DBs in the history of football.

[Ric]

you know you're so wishy washy in your defense of mario I don't know if sacks are a good measure this week or bad so I don't know how to respond to this post.
I’ve been wanting to get this down on paper, or, er… computer screen, I suppose, for some time now but I think Mario Williams is going to be a big, bad, fire-breathing beast. Watching games on television does him no justice. You have to see the guy in person. He is mammoth, taller and bigger than anyone else on the field...

Williams is more than just the biggest, most-physically gifted guy on the field, though – he’s quite a productive mofo; probably more so than you realize. In both games I saw live last year..., he was constantly around the ball no matter where it was on the field. And while STATS, Inc. has yet to create a measure for, “Seriously, he was sooooo close that last time,” it was encouraging to see him consistently apply pressure to the quarterback even if he didn’t register a sack.
that's from july '07 (http://www.houstonprofootball.com/slant/slant78.html) - but yeah, i've been wishy-washy. nice try.

[pgabriel]

here, pgabriel, i'll spell it out for you: no one can have a reasonable discussion without some sensitive little school girl bringing up an old, irrelevant thread from two months ago. you need to let it go.

get it?


uh let me spell it out for you ric


uhm... updawg, pgabriel began a thread specifically calling out the defensive line play a few weeks ago.



oh and ric also failed to mention that the thread I started had nothing to do with the titan game, yet he thought it did and and was his usual smartass self about it and gave a half apology when he realized his mistake but said he was still right in being a smartass

[pgabriel]

The Texans are 25th in the NFL against the run, if the DL has been a consistent bright spot, you guys must have the worst LBs and DBs in the history of football.


you haven't been in the ric spin zone monkier

abort now

[Ric]

The Texans are 25th in the NFL against the run, if the DL has been a consistent bright spot, you guys must have the worst LBs and DBs in the history of football.
the secondary is certainly among the worst in football currently.

in their seven losses, they've entered the 4Q trailing by an average score of 16 points; i believe they're -16 in turnovers in those same losses. the defense has been on the field A LOT this year, and it's gradually wearing down. okoye has hit a wall, robinson was hurt....

[Ric]

uh let me spell it out for you ric
and what do the two have to do with one another, pgabriel? did you or did you not start a thread about the defensive line needing to step up its play? which game it was referencing is irrelevant unless you're being a "sensitive little school girl" who can't "let it go."

[pgabriel]

and what do the two have to do with one another, pgabriel? did you or did you not start a thread about the defensive line needing to step up its play? which game it was referencing is irrelevant unless you're being a "sensitive little school girl" who can't "let it go."

I get it, in your myopic world its okay to wine about a month and 3 week old thread, but when I respond I'm being sensitive.

[msn]

and again, no one can have a reasonable discussion about mario without some sensitive little school girl claiming a vy agenda. you guys are the ones who need to let it go.
Because your "reasonable discussion" about Mario always ends up in a comparison to VY. Sorry I stole your thunder by bringing him up first this time. Nice name-calling, by the way.

[pgabriel]

Because your "reasonable discussion" about Mario always ends up in a comparison to VY. Sorry I stole your thunder by bringing him up first this time. Nice name-calling, by the way.

have i criticized mario in this thread?

and again, the only reason they were compared is because msn brought it up.

[msn]

have i criticized mario in this thread?
So ridiculously disingenuous. Guess what, pgabs--it is reasonable for one to reference things that weren't discussed "in this thread". Talk about your school girl BS.

[hatemavs4life]

vy vs. texans 3-0

scoreboard. stop bitching

No disagreement in the bottom line ...

First game, the Texans dug themselves a crater and then ... **** happened!

Second game, VY made plays to win and for the most part the Texan offense and special teams were vying for who could perforrm best in the "shooting in the foot" contest.

Myself as I have said numerous times my ax to grind is with Buttkiss Adams and how piece by piece he sucked the joy out of Houston professional football for me.

Say what you will but the Rox deserved new digs first because they got rings, then the 'Stros for consistency and fan base and then ...

But, Bud wanted to be a crybaby for the second time, WHAAA!!! and so H-Town told him "don't let the door hit you in the ASS!"

Personally, the Titans may go to the playoffs but, IMHO no Buttkiss Adams owned team will EVER win a Super Bowl! Period. Why? Because, Bud is a jerk and an egomaniac and someway; somehow he will find a way to **** up the situation with VY just like Eddie George and just like McNair. He can't help himself. Sorry, it is what it is! :p

[hatemavs4life]

I can't figure out how this turned into a VY thread. I have re-read the thread twice and cannot pinpoint the exact moment it turned.

Perhaps someday scientists will figure it out.

We needed the DAMN dilithium crystals to escape the WORMHOLE and get out of the Butt Crack Galaxy! :D

"Scottie we need warp factor 5 or we're all screwed."

"Well thank ya Jim for the "no pressure" situation you bloody asshole!" :D

OR something like that ...

[pgabriel]

So ridiculously disingenuous. Guess what, pgabs--it is reasonable for one to reference things that weren't discussed "in this thread". Talk about your school girl BS.


go ahead, pull up my criticisms of mario, i've never called him a bust, i've never said the texans shouldn't have draft (with the caveat that they were keeping carr) ect.

I just wanted him to play better. guess what, mario starts playing better, no one complains and everyone's happy. see how that works. its so simple. you always respond to have the last word, but you know you started this as usual



you're obssessed with vy. its okay and understandable