ClutchFans - Injuries,Injuries,Injuries - The story of the Texans season....But plenty to look for

Dr.Strangelove

12-02-2007, 03:47 PM

I just wanted to start a thread dedicated to the Texans and how happy I am we have the people running the show that we do.I thought before the season started that we had a pretty fair chance of going 9 -7 and making the playoffs.And it started off that way until AJ got hurt.Shaub has been out and unsuprisingly Green has had problems with his knees.An offensive line injury and the icing on the cake,Robinsons injury which might welll move him to safety asssuming he comes back.Fortunately his classmate Bennett looks like the real deal on the other side though.Nevertheless.this team has shown they will be in the hunt each year for quite awhile.The drafting of Mario was the safe play.Besides the 12 -13 sacks he'll most likely see this year
,the guy is either double teamed or all over the field making tackles.....Williams is and will pay dividends.
Demeco is just amazing.It's like getting a top 10 pick.This is a defense that will be among the best in the League soon.We need a quality safety and perhaps another corner.The line needs work and eventually a big time RB.But we are headed in the right direction...and quickly.I really see us winnning a lot of games next year.(if we can stay healthy)Think about what we had to deal with schedulewise this year.I definitely like the over on the number of wins they'll most likely set it at next year.Also,Kubiak is the ideal man for the job....We have the right fella.

I know this might soiund odd after this loss,but good times and a large window are coming...So..Be Happy!...A long run in th playoffs starts next year.

OMT...The loss of Spencer was titanic,but this team is overcoming everything....gotta feel proud to be a Texans fan....I don't know if they will ever approach my feelings for the Oilers,but they are winning me over in the way they run their organization now..

manbearpig

12-02-2007, 04:00 PM

First of all, atleast use decent punctuation.

If we didnt lead the league in injury problems, we could have been ver sick this year. Its not just random players, its the best ones we have.

Ahman Green - pro bowler
Matt Schuab
Jerome Mathis - pro bowler
Andre Johnson -pro bowler
Dunta Robinson - pro bowler
The rest of the starting secondary
Steve McKinnely

Pretty sure i left off someone. Point is though, these are guys that you cant just replace.

Ahman Green, Jerome Mathis, and Dunta Robinson arent sure to ever be the same. Dunta's injury is career threatening but this guy broke into that top tier of cornerbacks this year. Mathis was a devin hester on kickoff returns but was out last year and didnt show as much speed when he came back. He is out again for a whole year and i doubt he can do half of what he used to do. Green is getting very old.

Also injured is Spencer, guy with all the potential, dont know if he will ever do anything.

Dr.Strangelove

12-02-2007, 04:10 PM

Major Malcontent

12-02-2007, 04:14 PM

If we are going to make fun of someone else's punctuation, why not put a space between at and least. Then we might consider going ahead and putting the -y- on the end of the difficult word "very". Then if we wanted to go whole hog we could even put the apostrophe in our own contractions such as "can't" and "aren't". Finally, we might could even spell Steve McKinney's name correctly and REALLY show off our mad skills.

Achilleus

12-02-2007, 04:17 PM

Finally we might could even spell Steve McKinney's name correctly and REALLY show of our mad skills.

You had him on the ropes, tiger. You had him on the ropes... :(

:D

Major Malcontent

12-02-2007, 04:19 PM

Yep...I misspelled the difficult word off.

See, its a slippery slope.

Mr. Clutch

12-02-2007, 04:30 PM

I dont think you can count Ahman Green and Schaub as bad luck injuries.

They appear to be injury prone.

Of course, we knew that about Ahman.

pgabriel

12-02-2007, 04:37 PM

First of all, atleast use decent punctuation.

okay

If we didnt lead the league in injury problems, we could have been ver sick this year. Its not just random players, its the best ones we have.

tee hee

Mr. Clutch

12-02-2007, 04:39 PM

Ahman Green - pro bowler
Matt Schuab
Jerome Mathis - pro bowler
Andre Johnson -pro bowler
Dunta Robinson - pro bowler
The rest of the starting secondary
Steve McKinnely

Lots of sentence fragments here.

But anyways, Jerome Mathis is another guy who is injury prone. If we are going to bring in guys with histories of injuries, then we will get burned.

I just can't feel too optimistic about this team right now. Every team goes through a certain amount of injuries. And even with all our guys, I'm not too confident we would be on our way to 9-7.

msn

12-02-2007, 05:02 PM

I'm hoping we don't have a twenty-four million dollar IR member on our hands.

Dr.Strangelove

12-02-2007, 05:18 PM

...and Jacoby Jones - just not the same since his injury.(hopefully temporary as he's probably playing hurt to a degree)

The Hunted

12-02-2007, 06:35 PM

...and Jacobi Jones - just not the same since his injury.(hopefully temporary as he's probably playing hurt to a degree)

Jacoby. Sorry couldn't resist. :)

solid

12-02-2007, 06:41 PM

Bad teams seem to have lots of injuries and turnovers. I don't think it is luck or the absence thereof. Playing behind the Texan's offensive line has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in the world next to actual combat.

JayZ750

12-02-2007, 06:49 PM

there is still little evidence to suggest the Texans back-office (coaches, GM's, etc. know what they're doing). Better than the last regime? Likely, but not for sure.

On the GM, obviously we are still less talented than a lot of the teams we play. Given the salary cap rules, etc. in the NFL, it takes time, but in year 3 (next year) it better start looking equitable with some of the better teams in the league.

On coaching...well, to me the most important job of the coach is game-planning and in-game adjustments....areas where the last regime was HORRIBLE...and this one appears middle of the pack so far.

hope they improve as the talent does..

JeopardE

12-02-2007, 07:38 PM

We definitely need secondary help -- no question there, although the play of Fred Bennet since he got the starting job has been a real bright spot for us. The new O-line injuries are just too much - this season is pretty much over.

Next year's draft: Offensive line and secondary. I really wouldn't mind if we spent all of our picks on those two areas and didn't bother drafting skill positions at all.

Uprising

12-02-2007, 07:47 PM

Texans were awesome until the major injury bug bit us in the ass against the Colts.

Texans have had so many "key" injuries this season.

BTW....Titan's QB only had 5 TD's to 13 INT's before this game?! :eek:

kaleidosky

12-02-2007, 08:22 PM

Tony Boselli!

haha sorry, I was just reminded of him today when I saw that he was a broadcaster for CBS..

msn

12-02-2007, 08:47 PM

First of all, atleast use decent punctuation.

If we didnt
:D       

JunkyardDwg

12-02-2007, 09:18 PM

Also,Kubiak is the ideal man for the job....We have the right fella.

There are a lot of reasons to be (cautiously) optimistic about next year. Without such catastrophic strings of injuries, we could have had a much better season. But it's hard to overcome so many key losses. Dayne is starting to do a nice job, but I'm not completely sold on him as a number one running back. And Ahman Green has been a disappointment. Andre's injury has allowed the Texans to discover some depth in the receiving corps. Schaub is a very capable QB...he's no Brady or Manning, but I'd say above average...and Sage...well let's just say when Scaub goes down, I feel ok knowing Sage is stepping into the game. And I think the coaching has done a fine job of trying to create a winning culture and a professional attitude.

However, this team has had way, way, way too many turnovers this season...as well as stupid penalties. Those things reflect poorly on the coaches because it tells me that this team isn't as disciplined as they need to be. They CANNOT afford to blow key situations in a game by fumbling the ball or committing a hold or false start...that stuff has happened way too much for my liking and I'm starting to wonder if Kubiak really addresses this. Look at today, Jacoby had a costly turnover, yet he still remained in the game...you need to sit him on the bench, fine him 500 dollars or make him clean the defense's jocks or something....anything...just send a damn message already that this s*** won't be tolerated. If Kubiak can do that, then he has my vote of confidence. But I just don't see this team reaching the next level unless, among other things, they can tighten up those careless mistakes.

jopatmc

12-02-2007, 09:54 PM

Dallas and New England have superior offensive lines.

Our QB got knocked on his keester again today and was knocked out the game.

We gotta get a dominant left tackle.

ROXRAN

12-02-2007, 09:56 PM

I know this is suppose to be a happy thread, but after vowing by halftime to wear the Texans shirt to the market in Nashville after the game (knowing we had a real chance to win...),...I am again thinking, how is it that we keep shooting the foot with turnovers? Who should be responsible for that? That is what kills me...

Dr.Strangelove

12-02-2007, 10:01 PM

Jacoby. Sorry couldn't resist. :)

Tired and chillin :cool: gracias

manbearpig

12-02-2007, 10:38 PM

Listen,I'm 41 and have been a member of ClutchCity since 99.Right now I'm just chillin at the casa and don't need this anal crap.The content is what is important.I don't know who you think you're talking to,either way your out of line.This is supposed to be a positive post about the Texans at a time when many of us are down.

I amnt ****in askin you to be great but atleast be ****in decent. Dont need to start bitchin. I dont give a **** how old you are or how long you have had the internet. My post was positive. I said our injuries arent ordinary injuries but those to superstars. The big reason we doing so bad.

macalu

12-03-2007, 08:13 AM

I amnt ****in askin you to be great but atleast be ****in decent. Dont need to start bitchin. I dont give a **** how old you are or how long you have had the internet. My post was positive. I said our injuries arent ordinary injuries but those to superstars. The big reason we doing so bad.
have you even read your own posts? you're not even decent in the punctuation area yourself, not to mention your grammar and spelling sux too, and you're giving other people **** about it?

msn

12-03-2007, 10:09 AM

I amnt ****in askin you to be great but atleast be ****in decent. Dont need to start bitchin. I dont give a **** how old you are or how long you have had the internet. My post was positive. I said our injuries arent ordinary injuries but those to superstars. The big reason we doing so bad.
The apostrophe key is located to the right of the semicolon key. You can easily reach it with your right pinky finger. Give it a try next time you need to post the word, "don't".

"At least" and "am not" are each two words, not one.

At least be freaking decent.

Raven Lunatic

12-03-2007, 10:10 AM

I don't know. I think he is something of a pioneer in his attempt to create new contractions. It never occurred to me to combine "am" and "not" into "amnt."

Also, unless I missed it, Dunta has never gone to a Pro-bowl...although that is not to say that he didn't look like he would be going to start out the year. But he doesn't have that on his resume yet.

gucci888

12-03-2007, 10:21 AM

Schaub- dislocated left shoulder (probably out for season).
Weary- broken right leg (out for season).
White- torn MCL (out for season).

msn

12-03-2007, 10:28 AM

I don't know. I think he is something of a pioneer in his attempt to create new contractions. It never occurred to me to combine "am" and "not" into "amnt."
Bah. We've had "ain't" for centuries now, and it's even made the dictionary (finally).

the futants

12-03-2007, 10:51 AM

This board needs an Injured Grammar Reserve list...

ima_drummer2k

12-03-2007, 11:42 AM

Playing behind the Texan's offensive line has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in the world next to actual combat.
The Texans are 7th in the league in sacks given up this year.

msn

12-03-2007, 11:43 AM

Talk about your crap luck. Give $24M to a guy, and he misses like 8 games.

Pooh.

Ric

12-03-2007, 12:25 PM

Talk about your crap luck. Give $24M to a guy, and he misses like 8 games.
are you thinking this year will be an exception?

forget good/bad; does he strike you as being atheltic and/or strong? i would rate him low on both counts - he's slow-footed and in person, looks rather slight. that can be a lethal combination of attributes for a QB: can't avoid a rush; can't absorb a hit. someone several weeks ago, on a radio show i believe, compared him to cris chandler, and i thought... bingo! (though, unfortunately, he doesn't have near the arm of chandler.)

sage looks much the same, btw: a big, slow skinny target.

Major

12-03-2007, 12:45 PM

forget good/bad; does he strike you as being atheltic and/or strong? i would rate him low on both counts - he's slow-footed and in person, looks rather slight. that can be a lethal combination of attributes for a QB: can't avoid a rush; can't absorb a hit. someone several weeks ago, on a radio show i believe, compared him to cris chandler, and i thought... bingo! (though, unfortunately, he doesn't have near the arm of chandler.)

To be fair, he's not alone this year. Here's a list of starting QBs that have missed at least a game this year due to injury:

McNabb
Favre (possibly)
Tavaris Jackson
Rex Grossman & Brian Griese
Jeff Garcia
Jake Delhomme & David Carr & Vinny Testaverde
Joey Harrington & Byron Leftwich
Matt Leinart & Kurt Warner
Alex Smith
Marc Bulger
JP Losman
Chad Pennington
Trent Green
Steve McNair
David Garrard
Vince Young
Matt Schaub
Josh McCown & Daunte Culpepper
Damon Huard

That's 18 out of 32 starting QBs, plus several of their backups - and they aren't all mobile or not-mobile, big or small, etc. Schaub may be injury prone, and that would certainly suck, but I'm not sure we know that just yet.

HillBoy

12-03-2007, 01:18 PM

are you thinking this year will be an exception?

forget good/bad; does he strike you as being atheltic and/or strong? i would rate him low on both counts - he's slow-footed and in person, looks rather slight. that can be a lethal combination of attributes for a QB: can't avoid a rush; can't absorb a hit. someone several weeks ago, on a radio show i believe, compared him to cris chandler, and i thought... bingo! (though, unfortunately, he doesn't have near the arm of chandler.)

sage looks much the same, btw: a big, slow skinny target.
That was one of my big concerns about Schaub: what would happen when he started getting hit on a regular basis because with the Texans OL, you knew that he'd have to take some hits. In his previous 4 years in the league, he hasn't had to face this kind of physical battering on a consistent basis and it looks like he can't take the abuse. And compared to years past, the 2007 OL has performed reasonably well. He certainly hasn't had to face the pounding his predecessor faced. I think the unvoiced fear amongst many here is that Schaub is somewhat fragile and it's entirely possible that this time next year, the Texans may well be looking at having to find another QB to take his place.

msn

12-03-2007, 01:18 PM

are you thinking this year will be an exception?
I have no opinion on this at all--how could I? He's been a starter for all of two thirds of one season. Not nearly enough sample from which to draw a resonsible projection.

All I'm sayin' is, "bummer, man."

can't avoid a rush
Really? The Texans are 7th in the NFL in not getting sacked this year. The O-line hasn't changed in personnel dramatically from last year, so I'm guessing Schaub has quite a bit to do with it. I'm guessing you know far more about this than I, Ric--but isn't "avoiding a rush" about a lot more than speed? It seems to me, the admittedly less-than-knowledgeable casual observer, that Schaub's pocket intelligence compared to Carr's is like comparing Einstein to, well, a lemming.

can't absorb a hit
Man, it sure is starting to look that way. I hope it's just a bad year, really.

But if he spends the majority of two seasons hurt and the Texans then have to cut him, the whole "2 second rounders" concern will have a lot of credence.

Here's hoping he's not fragile.

Ric

12-03-2007, 05:07 PM

To be fair, he's not alone this year. Here's a list of starting QBs that have missed at least a game this year due to injury:
it's a fair point - QBs are certainly more prone to big hits and, obviously, are not comparable, size or strength-wise to the men pursuing them. but of those 18, 13 of 'em are 30 or older; hell, testaverde is in his 40s and several more (favre, garcia, green, mcnair, warner) are 35+. i mean, does anyone feel better knowing schaub isn't any less brittle than trent green?

my concern is that unlike a leinart, who hurt his shoulder on a single play and was wiped out for the year, schaub has battled multiple injuries - concussions; a shoulder separation; earlier this year against the falcons, he hurt his knee that hampered him that afternoon and the following week against miami...

if he is indeed done for the year, he will miss 5 starts plus, off the top of my head, 8 other Qs, or two full games (a half against TEN; a Q against JAX; a half against SD; 3Qs against TEN).

that's seven full games he's been out injured. carr missed four games TOTAL in 5 years while running for his life behind a line just as bad, if not worse. that's not meant as anything other than a very fair and valid perspective.

maybe its bad luck; maybe QBs are more vulnerable than ever; maybe schaub's just having a tough-luck season....

I'm guessing you know far more about this than I, Ric--but isn't "avoiding a rush" about a lot more than speed?
well, i don't, and to a degree - you're right... but sacks don't account for how often a player is getting hit, nor does quantity matter if he's a lumbering statue that can't get out of the way of "quality" hits.

as stated, this wasn't a single injury; it's been a multitude of different injuries, suffered in a varierty of ways (a cheap shot; a scramble; sacks) - THAT'S the concern.

Major Malcontent

12-03-2007, 05:47 PM

That's one good thing I can say about Carr, he was tough, he was in there almost every down.

That's one bad thing I can say about Carr, he was in there almost every down.

Dr.Strangelove

12-04-2007, 11:03 AM

Oh,foulest Celtic devil,my predilection as to jot down random thoughts off the top off my head on a holiday weekend where our brutish fate was sealed as oppposed to an english composition should not concern you.Perhaps within the content there might be something which one can run with.You seemed intrigued enough to post,so please refrain from calling the grammar police.Again,I was relaxing at my house and thought it appropriate at the time and in my state.Sit back and enjoy the show or just don't post and put me on ignore.I care not.

But...as to the issue.

It seems our Texans were headed to the playoffs.Even so we shall have more depth and another frontline player after this year.So,like I said rejoice,this is a marathon,not a sprint.We seem to be in agreement on that.

Happy Daze,
hardwood/Dr.Strangelove