[Official] Saints @ Texans

[DonnyMost]

Mario eats Reggie bush alive.

With duck sauce.

But Texans rack dissaprin!!

Saints 30
Texans 21

[Cannonball]

Saints have been up and down this season. They started 0-4 before getting 4 straight wins. Then they get pounded by the previous winless Rams.

Saints going into another swoon. Texans at home. Andre and Schaub are back (right?). We've had 2 weeks to prepare. We had our best rushing game of the season last game.

Texans 24
Saints 17

[emjohn]

I'll be at the game and keeping my out for trouble in Reliant. If ever there was a situation ripe for fights to break out, this is it.


You've got the open sore that is Reggie Bush (similar to all the Vince Young jerseys invading Reliant).
You've got the proximity to NO.
You've got all of the former LA residents now in Houston.
You've got underlying tension between Houston and Louisiana from the evacuation.

I don't want to see it, but if the Saints jump on us and their fans start jawing a little too much......

Yikes.

Go Texans.

Evan

[leroy420]

Bush is questionable at this point due to a possible concussion against the Rams. I don't think it matters because he really has done little this season. When they've won, it's been due to Brees and Colston getting back on track.

With a healthy AJ and Schaub, I believe we'll see the Texans of weeks 1 & 2.

Texans 30
Saints 20

[updawg]

I've been wrong more than right, so hopefully that continues this week.

Saints 24
Houston 17

the two #1's are non factors

[Jet Blast]

Texans get back to .500.

Texans 41
Saints 20

Chris Rose and Terry Donahue will call the game for Fox.

[weslinder]

Andre's Back!!!!!

Texans 28 - 'Aints 7

Reggie Bush runs in a touchdown from the 1 on his third try. That's the only highlight shown.

[desihooper]

I may have two extra tickets to the game (Lone Star Club, I believe (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv/index.asp?mm_file_id=1454&play_clip=Y)) ... anyone interested?!? I'll be coming in from Dallas Sunday morning so we'd have to arrange something off-line. Hit me up through the board's e-mail feature.

Hoping to see a Texans win on my birthday to get back to .500!

[texanskan]

This will be the biggest win in Texans history, they will be 500 after ten games and we can go into the final third of the season with not only hope for a winning season but hope for a playoff birth.

With a little help the Texans can be 1 game out of a playoff spot with game against the team ahead of them (Tenn/Jax/Cleveland)

[msn]

I've been wrong more than right

the two #1's are non factors
Yup. You're wrong. :p

[SwoLy-D]

TEXANS 30
SAINTS 20

Okoye ends up with 3 sacks, Mario 1 sack. :o

Rosenfels wins the game.
the two #1's are non factorsWTF are you talking about?!?!?!? :confused:

[Mr. Clutch]

I'm concerned about the secondary stopping these guys.

[Cannonball]

I'm concerned about the secondary stopping these guys.

Well, their secondary is worse. Here are some of their NFL pass defense rankings.

Yards Per Attempt - 32nd (8.29)
Yards Per Game - 29th (251.2)
Passing TD's Allowed - 29th (17)
Interceptions - T28th (6)
Opponents QB Rating - 32nd (100.4, only team in the league over 100)

With Schaub and AJ back, their D is toast.

[Mr. Clutch]

With Schaub and AJ back, their D is toast.

Hopefully, if they are mostly healthy.

[Achilleus]

Have they made any changes to the offensive line? Is Ahman Green healthy? Who replaced Robinson, again?

I think Johnson is going to have a big day.

[hatemavs4life]

TEXANS 30
SAINTS 20

Okoye ends up with 3 sacks, Mario 1 sack. :o

Rosenfels wins the game.
WTF are you talking about?!?!?!? :confused:

Swoly, Schauby will be back with his big kahuna, AJ. The battle will be whose secondary sucks more? My bet is despite our best efforts this year, it will be the Saints sucking more in pass coverage. So, put simply get in Brees' grill early and often and we should not only beat them but, blow them out. Mario gets some payback for overrated Reggie and yes, Okoye means "fear" in Nigerian (Swahili, I think) which is what the Saints will know early and often.

With AJ back, also our running game is back because they HAVE to double team AJ to keep this game halfway respectable. So, the LBs and the Free Safety will have their work cut out for them to contain our running game and they don't have the horses like NE, GB, etc.

I said 5-4 at the break would've been if either the damn ATL fiasco or the near miraculous comeback over Tenn would've happened. All things considered we aren't in too bad of shape except for losing Dunta. Damn that hurts. :mad:

Texans 45, Saints 20.

[leroy420]

Have they made any changes to the offensive line? Is Ahman Green healthy? Who replaced Robinson, again?

I think Johnson is going to have a big day.

Green is going to play. Von Hutchins will start at corner, with Fred Bennett who takes Robinson's spot. Will Demps starts at safety for Hutchins.

[david_rocket]

GO TEXANS!!! BEAT THE SAINTS! :cool:

Its nice that Andre Johnson is back!
And Mario Williams will be better than Reggie Bush

Texans 28
Saints 21

[Cannonball]

Green is going to play. Von Hutchins will start at corner, with Fred Bennett who takes Robinson's spot. Will Demps starts at safety for Hutchins.

Very interesting. Poor Petey. He gets benched vs. Oakland for the rook and can't even get back a starting job when Dunta goes down. Let this be a lesson boys and girls: DON'T SUCK!

[david12sfa]

Texans by 10!

[rrj_gamz]

We're coming off a tough bye week...Not really, but I think the rest helps us...

Texans: 27

Saints: 24

[MadMax]

I think we're going to need a lot of points to keep up.

[DonkeyMagic]

is boulware that bad of a safety? at first i was thinking that he could get significant p.t.

[MiniMing]

Saints 27
Texans 14

[Achilleus]

Green is going to play. Von Hutchins will start at corner, with Fred Bennett who takes Robinson's spot. Will Demps starts at safety for Hutchins.

Thanks

[Achilleus]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5307989.html

Nov. 16, 2007, 12:47PM
Texans running back Ahman Green out of Saints game

By MEGAN MANFULL
Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle

Texans head coach Gary Kubiak announced today after practice that running back Ahman Green will not be active for Sunday's game against the Saints because of injury.

[sammy]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5307989.html

Nov. 16, 2007, 12:47PM
Texans running back Ahman Green out of Saints game

By MEGAN MANFULL
Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle

Texans head coach Gary Kubiak announced today after practice that running back Ahman Green will not be active for Sunday's game against the Saints because of injury.

Are we ever going to draft a RB in the first round? I think it's time.

[Uprising]

If only we sucked enough last year to get Adrian Peterson. :(

[MadMax]

Are we ever going to draft a RB in the first round? I think it's time.

well, we're gonna need a corner. oh, and a left tackle. and yeah..a running back.

so we'll probably draft another d-lineman. :D

[Joe Joe]

well, we're gonna need a corner. oh, and a left tackle. and yeah..a running back.

so we'll probably draft another d-lineman. :D

The sad thing is that the Texans do need another defensive lineman. :(

I think Mario would be just as effective (I still think he will be a double digit sack guy in the future) on the strongside and the Texans could get a pure pass rusher for the weakside.

[DieHard Rocket]

well, we're gonna need a corner. oh, and a left tackle. and yeah..a running back.

so we'll probably draft another d-lineman. :D

This might be wishful thinking, but I think we could be okay at corner. Hopefully Bennett will continue to improve, and Dunta will be back to what he was before eventually. I really think Von Hutchins will be better at corner than safety, so he could potentially be your 3rd corner next year. Then you've got Fletcher and Petey to battle it out for the 4th spot.

Of course, if that all happens, we might need a safety. We'll have to see how Demps looks the rest of this season.

[Kerfeld]

The Texans have plenty of other needs that should have priority over RB. Offensive Line, Cornerback, etc.

[solid]

This one won't be close, the Saints are on the rise: the Texans are the Texans, draft kings. They get the drafting position, they just can't make the right picks, ergo, they make no progress. Folks, it is still the offensive line. We have one of the most expensive underperforming defensive lines in the NFL. Admittedly, the Texans have had some horrible luck offensive line wise, but still.

[Achilleus]

This one won't be close, the Saints are on the rise...

No they aren't... They have the same record as the Texans and they lost to the 0-8 Rams last week.

[Htowns_Finest]

Good Luck Texans, I will be at this game supporting you guys. Hopefully it will be a good game and it will be nice to see the Texans up close this year!

[tulexan]

I'm not sure who is going to win, but whoever Jason David is covering is going to have a HUGE game

[Cannonball]

FWIW, there are a few more "experts" picking us to win than there are picking NO to win.

[Phillyrocket]

Just an FYI but Jammal Brown and Charles Grant are out for the Saints possibly their best OL and DL. Bush is banged up and Schaub and AJ are back. No excuses Texans should win big.

[macalu]

wow, what a surprise. another possible injury. hopefully, he jsut got the wind knocked out of him.

[TMac#1]

Two fumbles in 3 plays. Nice start. :rolleyes: And its not getting overturned.
This team continues to be an embarassment.

[leroy420]

They have to overturn and give the ball back. His knee is clearly down.

[Cannonball]

Wait, I thought they blew it dead. I didn't think they could change it to a fumble after they blew it dead. Even if it was a fumble, they blew it dead before NO picked the ball up.

[Chuck 4]

He looked like his knee was down...

[the futants]

Wait, I thought they blew it dead. I didn't think they could change it to a fumble after they blew it dead. Even if it was a fumble, they blew it dead before NO picked the ball up.
That's what I was thinking.




Two fumbles and an injury...what a great start.

[Chuck 4]

The Houston hospitality to New Orleans continues...

[leroy420]

Two fumbles in 3 plays. Nice start. :rolleyes: And its not getting overturned.
This team continues to be an embarassment.

Then, please, by all means, stop watching.

[Chuck 4]

Field goal kickers must love Reliant Stadium. Seems like kickers always set career longs here...

[leroy420]

Nic job by the d to minimize the damage.

LET'S GO OFFENSE!

[Cannonball]

Genius!!! :rolleyes:

[the futants]

Sounds like NO is the home team. Anyone else get that?

[macalu]

Welcome the **** back AJ!

[Cannonball]

Nice Recovery. Hell yes. TD TEXANS!!! Welcome back AJ!!!!

[JaWindex]

I love AJ!!!

He makes the texans bearable.

[LFE171]

welcome back AJ!!!

[Kam]

tetetehehehehehe


ANDRE WAS SOOOOOOOOOO OPEN!

[leroy420]

F*** YEAH!

WELCOME BACK, AJ & MATTY

[Cannonball]

Sounds like NO is the home team. Anyone else get that?
Yeah, the entire stadium was obviously booing after the fumble because they thought the challenge was a joke.

[the futants]

As happy as I am to see that, I can't help but think about the season that "could have been." Amazing player, that Andre...

[BMoney]

Screw the "fans"...go Texans!

[Murph23]

Great pass by Schaub, AJ is GREAT!

[TMac#1]

Damn that was just beautiful. God only knows what kind of year Andre was gonna have if it wasn't for the injury. A Moss type season.

[TMac#1]

Mario got Reggie for a loss!

[MR. MEOWGI]

Anyone know where I can watch online?

[Cannonball]

And the battle of the bad secondaries has begun.

[Remix]

wow brees has all day back there

[VesceySux]

With Dunta out, do we have the worst secondary in the league?

Discuss.

[leroy420]

damnit defense. You're not going to win games when you give up 3rd & 20's.

[Cannonball]

We should get the ball, if only because they gave NO the ball on a non-fumble too. I mean, fair is fair.

[VesceySux]

I don't know if Bush actually fumbled, but I also don't think there's enough evidence to overturn the decision on the field (ruled a fumble).

[leroy420]

Justice?

[Kam]

looks like we got the ball back

[lost_elephant]

Huge break for us. That was not a fumble.

[TMac#1]

That was not a fumble, what a break

[Cannonball]

WTF???

[Cannonball]

Well, at least this turnover is controversy free. :D

[Chuck 4]

Need to get into the endzone here and put some pressure on them.

[macalu]

i really wish echimandu could get some carries.

[Chuck 4]

Dayne train with no gain...barf.

[Cannonball]

The last 2 drives have stalled when we ran it on both 1st and 2nd down.

[the futants]

what the hell was he looking at?

[Cohen]

(Wow... Houston's up 2-1 on NE in soccer)

[BmwM3]

Man Dayne can't run today, yet Kubiak still calls run on 1st and 2nd down.

[BigM]

ron dayne just runs us into 3 and outs.

[Cannonball]

what the hell was he looking at?
Oh look, a butterfly.

[Chuck 4]

Man Dayne can't run today, yet Kubiak still calls run on 1st and 2nd down.

Thats why Kubiak is in my doghouse. Alot of people act like he is infallible. I dont see it.

"We are going to establish the run."

You have to have a real NFL quality back to do that, Gary!

And dont even get me started on his clock management...

Demps just jacked Reggie up!

[VesceySux]

Reggie's not having the greatest of days. Lots of dropped passes and rushes for negative yards. Thought he would be more psyched for this game.

[Cannonball]

Damn, AJ is good. Breaks a tackle, spins, stays in bounds, and picks up extra yards.

[Chuck 4]

Man, AJ is such a beast!

[macalu]

****, i retract my statement about echimandu. :o :mad:

[BmwM3]

Oh Lord!! Fumble!

[Remix]

i really wish echimandu could get some carries.

are you happy now! :mad:

[the futants]

same story, different player...

[Groogrux]

Ugh. :(

[Chuck 4]

HOLD ONTO THE DAMN BALL!!!!!! :mad:

[Cannonball]

i really wish echimandu could get some carries.
oops, more Dayne train to come

[VesceySux]

http://www.inthesetimes.com/images/30/02/jack.jpg

DAMNIT!!

[macalu]

lol, i jinxed them. sorry. :)

[Chuck 4]

Avg. start for the Saints is their own 40? You cant win a game if you keep playing around with an offense like this...

[Chuck 4]

"Major" facemask?

[VesceySux]

The Reggie Bush knob-slobbing by the announcers is getting rather annoying.

[the futants]

nice coverage

[Chuck 4]

God, I wish all the Louisiana people would get out of Houston...

[Cohen]

(1 min left in the Dynamos' game...)

edit: Over, Dynamo MLS Champions

[Chuck 4]

(1 min left in the Dynamos' game...)

edit: Over, Dynamo wins MLS Champions

Congrats, Houston. I dont watch Soccer, but good deal :)

[Cannonball]

Wow. I think I saw something resembling a run. Something rare for both sided today.

[Cohen]

Congrats, Houston. I dont watch Soccer, but good deal :)


I rarely do, but the end of that game was excellent.

[BmwM3]

I rarely do, but the end of that game was excellent.

Nice come from behind win!

[Cannonball]

Schaub is kicking major ass today. TD TEXANS!

[Chuck 4]

Dreesen? What the hell is going on out there?!?! :D

[Astro101]

Who the hell is this Dreesen? Nice TD!

[macalu]

what was that cap with the white stripe down the middle? looked like a penis sitting on top of his head.

[Chuck 4]

Just dont let them get a TD here. 2 and some change left in the half...

[Kam]

it's all Andre Johnson's doing.


He cured Matt Schaub.








If only Andre could cure his knee by touching it.

[macalu]

God, I wish all the Louisiana people would get out of Houston...
wtf dude. calm down. get along.

[Cannonball]

what was that cap with the white stripe down the middle? looked like a penis sitting on top of his head.

All the teams are wearing those. It's like the official NFL QB on the sideline hat.

[tulexan]

it's all Andre Johnson's doing.


He cured Matt Schaub.








If only Andre could cure his knee by touching it.

Can the Rockets sign Andre? He can probably drive to the hoop well

[macalu]

All the teams are wearing those. It's like the official NFL QB on the sideline hat.
head of the team?

[Chuck 4]

wtf dude. calm down. get along.

Didnt mean to offend anyone. Apologies if I did.

I work for a company that originated in New Orleans, so Ive had to hear about this game all week. And freakin' LSU...

Again, sorry if I upset anyone.

[Chuck 4]

WAS THAT MARIO???

[Cannonball]

MARIO!

[BmwM3]

Mario!Mario!Mario!

[VesceySux]

Why can't Mario did this ALL the time? :(

[Chuck 4]

What? How the hell?

[Chuck 4]

Why can't Mario did this ALL the time? :(

Maybe he should play against Reggie every week...

[the futants]

what a fiasco...

[Chuck 4]

Does Mario get credit for a Sack? Or just a forced fumble?

[Cannonball]

Does Mario get credit for a Sack? Or just a forced fumble?
Both.

[Chuck 4]

Wow, surprised Kubiak isnt going conservative here...

[Chuck 4]

Id take a shot at AJ in the endzone here...

[macalu]

AJ is definitely helping our offense. they're double teaming him the whole game.

[Cannonball]

Wow, surprised Kubiak isnt going conservative here...
Well, when you have a minute and a half and only need 30 yards to get into field goal range, it's an easy decision.

[the futants]

ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME??????



PASS THE DAMN BALL FOR A PLAY!!!!!



WHAT A JOKE!!!

PU$$Y...

[Chuck 4]

Well, when you have a minute and a half and only need 30 yards to get into field goal range, it's an easy decision.

I agree, but in the past he has been content to "take the lead into the half."

[SWTsig]

why not try one more time at the endzone there?

[macalu]

ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME??????



PASS THE DAMN BALL FOR A PLAY!!!!!



WHAT A JOKE!!!

PU$$Y...
dude, they're like on the 20 yard line and only 12 seconds and no TO. not worthe the risk of a turnover in the end zone or running out of time.

[Cannonball]

ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME??????



PASS THE DAMN BALL FOR A PLAY!!!!!



WHAT A JOKE!!!

PU$$Y...

And then they don't get a TD or get out of bounds and the play clock runs out. Kubiak made the right choice.

[VesceySux]

Nice half and numbers for Schaub.

Hope Mario can keep it up in the 2nd half.

[Rokkit]

Hell Yeah, Mario. This is the kind of **** you should be doing more regularly. We have to be able to count at least on that kind of effort. Keep tearing 'em up.

[Brando2101]

When was Mario's sack? What did it look like?

[macalu]

Didnt mean to offend anyone. Apologies if I did.

I work for a company that originated in New Orleans, so Ive had to hear about this game all week. And freakin' LSU...

Again, sorry if I upset anyone.
it's cool then. i know what you're saying.

[Chuck 4]

"Mario Williams has definitely won the first half over Reggie Bush..." :D

[Cannonball]

When was Mario's sack? What did it look like?

He blew by the RT and knocked the ball out of Brees' hand while he was winding up for a pass. Sack and a forced fumble.

[tulexan]

He blew by the RT and knocked the ball out of Brees' hand while he was winding up for a pass. Sack and a forced fumble.

It would've been better if he could some how throw Reggie into Brees.

[hatemavs4life]

How about Schauby! He absolutely loves AJ! :D

[Cannonball]

Oh, crap! Faggins to the rescue? :(

[Kam]

4th and 10 and going for it.




and they waste a time out.


go saints!


nice job.

[hatemavs4life]

Yeah, Texan D! Lets go score some more! :D I guess Petey managed not to screw up for once. :rolleyes:

[Cannonball]

**** :mad:

[the futants]

dane just stopped..

nice.

[Chuck 4]

Pathetic...

[BmwM3]

Why was Dayne dancing back there?

[Buck Turgidson]

Why was Dayne dancing back there?
Because the oline got blowed up real good.

[Chuck 4]

Sad when you have to do a QB sneak to get a couple of feet...

[tulexan]

How can someone as big as Dayne run with as much power as Kris Brown?

[Cannonball]

The D's are stepping up here in the 3rd.

[Cannonball]

Why does the Fox game clock keep flashing to 0:00 and then back to the right time?

[Chuck 4]

Dayne always seems to be just inches shy...

[the futants]

kubiak gonna go for it?

[Cannonball]

BALLS

[Chuck 4]

Schaub > Dayne ;)

[Cannonball]

Schaub > Dayne ;)
Walter > Dayne

[Kam]

looking more like Walter > Dayne.

[Kam]

beaten by a few seconds.

[Cannonball]

No scoring in the 3rd.

[the futants]

oh, yeah!

[Cannonball]

Nice. Turnover. Short field to go.

[the futants]

we absolutely MUST score off this turn over. i don't feel comfortable with a one-score lead.

[the futants]

thank god for kris...

defense needs to stay on course.

[CaseyH]

Brown is freaking $$$$.

[lost_elephant]

that mcdonalds commercial is torture.

[Cannonball]

that mcdonalds commercial is torture.
I was thinking the same thing. :D

[VesceySux]

Mario playing well. Me likey.

[Cannonball]

Mario with the pressure on Brees.

[Groogrux]

Mario is looking good.

[Cannonball]

Huge stop! HUGE!

[Cannonball]

Now, the biggest mistake we could make is trying to run the clock out by keeping the ball on the ground. I'm guessing we could run off more time by throwing it and getting first downs than running it and getting a 3 and out.

[hatemavs4life]

Freddy! Freddy! Freddy! :D

[jojobabbu]

ephraim salaam isnt cutting it

[TheRaven]

Sean Payton= Gary Kubiak's bitch

[doboyz]

Does Ron Dayne fall foward? I can't tell.

[VesceySux]

Dayne > Bush

[Cannonball]

Does Ron Dayne fall foward? I can't tell.

LOL :D

[Cannonball]

Dayne > Bush

So, if I've got it right.

Schaub > Walter > Dayne > Bush

[BmwM3]

HAHAHA that Verizon commercial was funny.

[TheRaven]

Reggie Bush= Ron Dayne's bitch

[tulexan]

So, if I've got it right.

Schaub > Walter > Dayne > Bush

I think it's actually

Schaub > Walter > Dayne > Echemandu > Bush

[Cannonball]

Damn, Houston fans sure like to leave games early, even when we win.

[JeopardE]

Oh look, we stopped sucking again!

[Jebus]

All that's left now is for Reggie to break a meaningless TD off a screen pass in the loss so his numbers won't look so utterly pathetic, and to give ESPN a highlight so that they can continue to hype him.

As a bonus maybe Mario can fall down on the play so they can talk about how stupid the Texans were for taking Mario over Reggie.

[JeopardE]

Whee - Coogs win, Dynamo win, AND Texans win in an upset. :)

[VesceySux]

Total Yards:
Reggie Bush: 104
Ron Dayne: 115

KTHXBYE

[Cannonball]

Good win. Offense looked good and the D pitched a shutout in the 2nd half.

[Kam]

yeeah. GO US!

[updawg]

good win for the Texans.
Nice to have schaub and AJ back.

[TheRaven]

Good weekend. Now if the Rockets can just quit sucking...

[hatemavs4life]

Reggie gets PWNED!!! LOL!

Clap, clap, clap, clap... OVERRATED! :D

[gucci888]

Great win for the Texans...good to see Schaub and AJ pick up where they left off. I wish Mario would play like this every week, he was a beast out there.

As for the Saints, their offense just seems out of sync. Brees threw behind his WR on a bunch of plays, their WR's were tipping well thrown balls, and I think the Payton's play-calling was very suspect.

Back to .500, hopefully this win will give us some momentum for the 2nd half of the season.

[Achilleus]

Saints 27
Texans 14

The 13 point difference was right...

[CaseyH]

good win for the Texans.
Nice to have schaub and AJ back.


Houston Rec Yds Avg Lng TD FumL
A. Johnson 6 120 20.0 73 1 0


I'm gonna go out on a limb here and agree with you. I think he looks healthy :D

[leroy420]

It's a great day to be a Houston sports fan

[macalu]

Finally a semblence of the team in Carolina.

i think that injury really screwed up Jacoby Jones. he just doens't look like the same runner.

[Groogrux]

If Tennessee loses tomorrow night, we're a game out of the playoffs.

[hatemavs4life]

If Tennessee loses tomorrow night, we're a game out of the playoffs.

Imagine that? With everything that has gone wrong this year and we still have an outside chance for the postseason. Whoo hoo! BTW, the Brownies just went Arizona Cardinals in the 4th and choked away a 13 pt lead and LOST in B-More! LOL! Now, will Romeo go Dennis Green in the postgame? :D :D :D

[Butterfingers]

Is it me or does Andre make the whole damn team better, special teams, defense, and obviously the offense. Offense was exponentially better, especially Schuab who finally could pass now. There running room for our running backs, other receivers like daniels, walter, and davis were constantly getting open thanks to the coverage rolling on to AJ and doubling him. Defense seemed to be pumped up tahkns to his return and went back to the defense in the first 2 games of the season. Mario transforming into Super Mario getting sacks, turnover, and terrorizing the line of scrimmage, secondary forcing interceptions and turnovers. I wasn't paying much attention to the special teams but apparently jacoby jones is back and kris brown kicked it well, so lets just attribute that to AJ also :D . With AJ we are 3-0 and a legit contender, without him.... well we are like the current t-mac less rockets. IMO he should be getting some attention for MVP considering his impact(im not saying he should win it though).

[hatemavs4life]

Imagine that? With everything that has gone wrong this year and we still have an outside chance for the postseason. Whoo hoo! BTW, the Brownies just went Arizona Cardinals in the 4th and choked away a 13 pt lead and LOST in B-More! LOL! Now, will Romeo go Dennis Green in the postgame? :D :D :D

Correction ... they're now in OT! Oh joy, looks like the Browns are going to escape a major choke job. Oh well ... :mad:

[Achilleus]

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[IROC it]

^Bush video :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Idiot. Like he's really any reason why N.O. went that far last year...

The DEUCE had more to do with it.

[RocketManJosh]

Awesome W. Gotta take care of Cleveland next week.

[hatemavs4life]

No Thank you, Paine Webber ... err Bush! :D

[hatemavs4life]

It's a great day to be a Houston sports fan
:D :D :D Success is the sweetest revenge! :D :D :D

[Uprising]

It's a great day to be a Houston sports fan


That's EXACTLY what I thought after the Texan's win! :eek: :D :D

[desihooper]

Thank you to Mario, AJ, Schaubie, and the entire Texans team for the win today on my birthday.

Also, big thanks to my wife for the awesome AJ jersey, Texans cap, and tix to the game!!

[ROXRAN]

I didn't realize a great wide receiver makes such an impact...wow. Go AJ!...

Go Texans!

[Major Malcontent]

I would like to apologize to our numerous clean living, industrious and grateful guests from New Orleans for bitching thier football team.

I would also like to apologize to all national media outlets for shutting down the amazing Reggie Bush....forcing them to find someone else to fellate for the next few hours.

[A_3PO]

Man O man it was great to have Schaub and AJ back. It also helps we played against a floundering Saints team missing Deuce. I hope Mario can keep the motor running the last 6 games and prove he can be an impact player. 8-8 is a possibility.

[rezdawg]

Next weeks game in Cleveland is HUGE. Gotta win that one.

If we only held on to that lead against the Titans, we'd be in excellent shape.

[Htowns_Finest]

I didn't realize a great wide receiver makes such an impact...wow. Go AJ!...

Go Texans!
Yeah just look at the Colts, without Marvin Harrison they are very average.

[DaDakota]

Yeah just look at the Colts, without Marvin Harrison they are very average.


Actually without Marvin and Dallas Clark...they can do without 1, but not 2.

DD

[Htowns_Finest]

Actually without Marvin and Dallas Clark...they can do without 1, but not 2.

DD
Yeah but Clark played this week and they still didn't look that great. Clark has only been out 1 full game this year. But the Colts just are a lot different without Harrison. It's that same feeling you get when you watch the Patriots this year, watching the Lakers when Shaq and Kobe where dominanting the NBA winning championships, looking at Michael Jordan when he was in his prime and winning championships with the Bulls. You knew exactly what they were going to do but you just could not stop them, those teams just looked like grown men playing ball with their kids. The teams I just named to me just felt special, kinda the same way the Patriots make me feel this year. I just get this sinking feeling in my heart when I watch them play because I know that I am watching history in the making. And I honestly used to get that same feeling when I watched the Colts play, but I don't feel that way about the Colts this year. Maybe it's the absence of Harrison or maybe it's something completely different. I really don't know.

[Uprising]

Bush, drafted second that year, had 15 carries for 34 yards, 12 catches for 70 yards and two fumbles. He called the fumble he lost a "bad call."

Bwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahahhahahahahhahahah! :D :D

[MadMax]

What a great game!!

Great to see Schaub and AJ hook up again

Great to see Mario all over the place!

[pgabriel]

maybe we can put saints jerseys on all of the texans' opponents from now on. games like this excite you and disappoint at the same time, mario should make plays every game. maybe not sacks, but just be active.

[rrj_gamz]

A great Sports Sunday in Houston sports...This team has potential...

[DonkeyMagic]

it is impressive how much quicker mario is off the line while standing.

[yobod]

maybe we can put saints jerseys on all of the texans' opponents from now on. games like this excite you and disappoint at the same time, mario should make plays every game. maybe not sacks, but just be active.

I think the evidence is mounting that Mario is so much more active when they play him standing up. He doesn't have to get his hands tied up with the OL, and he can hit him with a speed burst. His mechanics just look so much more refined when they have him coming into the play with his hands up. He looks like a player that deserves to be drafted #1.

[david12sfa]

I think the evidence is mounting that Mario is so much more active when they play him standing up. He doesn't have to get his hands tied up with the OL, and he can hit him with a speed burst. His mechanics just look so much more refined when they have him coming into the play with his hands up. He looks like a player that deserves to be drafted #1.

Agreed! The way he blew up that OL on the screen was a sight to see. I think the coaches have found out the way to use him on passing downs. He is so fast off the ball standing up.

[ima_drummer2k]

Yeah, it's unbelievable what a different player he is when he's standing up. He was playing like a man on a mission yesterday. Even the Fox pro-Reggie announcers were salivating over him.

Why didn't we think of this earlier? He needs to be standing up on all passing downs. I even saw him bust up a draw play from the standing position.

[HillBoy]

it is impressive how much quicker mario is off the line while standing.
Yes, especially when he's playing against a guy making his 2nd NFL start. Not to sound too skeptical but I'd like to see what he does next week against a substantially better offensive line. All I saw yesterday was Mario having his occasional big game after which he goes back to his impersonation of the invisible man. He has been a disappointment to me this year because after what happened to him last season, I expected seeing him rise to the challenge and play with that kind of effort every week. The fact that he hasn't speaks volumes to me about his heart and determination and that's something the top pick in the draft should possess at the very least.

[HillBoy]

Yeah, it's unbelievable what a different player he is when he's standing up. He was playing like a man on a mission yesterday. Even the Fox pro-Reggie announcers were salivating over him.

Why didn't we think of this earlier? He needs to be standing up on all passing downs. I even saw him bust up a draw play from the standing position.
Again it's probably his technique - his technique has been horrible which is why he's so often out of position on plays. Maybe by standing up he can actually see what the QB is doing. I dunno, maybe the Texans need to play him in the same way the Cowboys play Greg Ellis. It doesn't explain why he's so up and down in terms of effort however.

[david12sfa]

Again it's probably his technique - his technique has been horrible which is why he's so often out of position on plays. Maybe by standing up he can actually see what the QB is doing. I dunno, maybe the Texans need to play him in the same way the Cowboys play Greg Ellis. It doesn't explain why he's so up and down in terms of effort however.

I dont know. If I remember correctly I heard on the radio that the Mario and A.O. combination had the 2nd best yards against avg in the NFL on runs to their side. I believe it was 2.3 or .4 per run. I believe Mario has had a better year than people give him credit for.

[msn]

he goes back to his impersonation of the invisible man.
I have never witness this from Williams, even last year when he was hurt. Are we watching the same game?

[david12sfa]

[QUOTE=HillBoy]Yes, especially when he's playing against a guy making his 2nd NFL start.

Granted he was not the pro bowler J. Brown but the guy cashes a NFL paycheck. I dont see anyone making excuses for Bennett who made his second start and gave up a TD. I really think they may have found the way to play Mario. Down on first and up on passing downs.

[HillBoy]

I have never witness this from Williams, even last year when he was hurt. Are we watching the same game?
Yes we are. This is simply my way of describing his week-in, week-out effort because you just never know what you're going to get from him. With Mario, the issue isn't physical ability, it's his motivation to play up to that physical ability. Yesterday he was motivated because Reggie Bush was in town and all that entailed. Last week he had 1 tackle. Next week against Cleveland his pattern says that he'll revert to the Mario of a week ago. That's simply not good enough production if you were the top pick in the entire draft.

[HillBoy]

[QUOTE=HillBoy]Yes, especially when he's playing against a guy making his 2nd NFL start.

Granted he was not the pro bowler J. Brown but the guy cashes a NFL paycheck. I dont see anyone making excuses for Bennett who made his second start and gave up a TD. I really think they may have found the way to play Mario. Down on first and up on passing downs.
He played well yesterday but like his performance against Kansas City, it came at the expense of an inferior offensive line. It's when the competition steps up in quality that his performance and impact declines. As for his standing up, once teams see this on film, they'll make adjustments and then it will be up to Mario to continue to impress in spite of those adjustments.

[msn]

Yesterday he was motivated because Reggie Bush was in town and all that entailed
Assumption duly noted.

Last week he had 1 tackle.
Statistic duly noted. Did you watch him play?

Next week against Cleveland his pattern says that he'll revert to the Mario of a week ago.
Which was pretty good, unless you have your nose shoved up a box score.

That's simply not good enough production if you were the top pick in the entire draft.
Take that up with the Texans.

[msn]

He played well yesterday but like his performance against Kansas City, it came at the expense of an inferior offensive line. It's when the competition steps up in quality that his performance and impact declines.
Yes, that *never* happens to guys like Peppers or Freeney.

[david12sfa]

On another topic was anyone else pleased as much as I was on how Demps played yesterday? That dude was cracking skulls! It was nice seeing him finishing off plays yesterday with some hard hits. Finally someone who can bring the pain!

[HillBoy]

Yes, that *never* happens to guys like Peppers or Freeney.
OK, this type of defense of Mario does no good because it's the old: well other guys at his position sucked so Mario's sucking is acceptable. That's the kind of attitude you have if you want to coast along and collect game checks. That's just not an attitude that will bring a championship here. They have to want to be the best and to show everyone that they are the best. That's what New England, Dallas & Green Bay are doing right now and the results are there for all to see. That's the kind of attitude I want to see from Mario EVERY week and not just occasionally when VY or RB comes into town.

[HillBoy]

Assumption duly noted.
Fact. That wasn't a Pro Bowler he was going against but to his credit, he did what he was supposed to do which was eat his lunch.

Statistic duly noted. Did you watch him play?
Yes I did. Wasn't impressed - was more of the same old Mario.

Which was pretty good, unless you have your nose shoved up a box score.
If you liked his performance then I'm glad for you. He has a ways to go yet before erasing my skepticism. If we are still having this discussion next year at this time then he'll officially be another Travis Johnson in my book (as you can tell, I'm not a "fan").

Take that up with the Texans.
I'm on record here that they made a mistake taking a project player like Mario with the top pick in the entire draft. I'm also on record as not believing that they really believed him to be the best player available but merely the one who agreed to their salary offer when RB balked. That's a major reason why I am still not sold on Kubiak - it's because of that decision and the Carr decision.

[msn]

OK, this type of defense of Mario does no good because it's the old: well other guys at his position sucked so Mario's sucking is acceptable. That's the kind of attitude you have if you want to coast along and collect game checks. That's just not an attitude that will bring a championship here.
a) It's not my "attitude", it's a factual observation. Nobody plays his very best statistical game against the very best observation. Isn't that common sense??
b) It's not my job to "bring a championship here". If you're projecting my comments onto Mario's disposition, that's not logical at all.

They have to want to be the best and to show everyone that they are the best. That's what New England, Dallas & Green Bay are doing right now and the results are there for all to see.
Yeah, that's it. They're superior from a talent standpoint at every freaking position on the field. They just "want it more".

That's the kind of attitude I want to see from Mario EVERY week and not just occasionally when VY or RB comes into town.
You don't know a blessed thing about Mario's attitude. You're making wild-assed, baseless speculation about his motivation and you're supporting those assumptions with numbers from a box score.

Brilliant.

I'm on record here that they made a mistake taking a project player like Mario with the top pick in the entire draft. I'm also on record as not believing that they really believed him to be the best player available but merely the one who agreed to their salary offer when RB balked.
...and that's why, 20 months after the draft, we still have to listen to people bitch about the draft. We have a great nucleus for a defense that can become great for years to come. But, that's OK. Do keep bitching about the 2006 draft well into 2008.

[msn]

a) It's not my "attitude", it's a factual observation. Nobody plays his very best statistical game against the very best <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">observation</span> <b>competition</b>.
Holy crap! What kind of bad crack did I have when I proofread that winner? :D

[HillBoy]

a) It's not my "attitude", it's a factual observation. Nobody plays his very best statistical game against the very best observation. Isn't that common sense??
b) It's not my job to "bring a championship here". If you're projecting my comments onto Mario's disposition, that's not logical at all.
Factual to me MSN. That's what I'm seeing from him and I feel that I should be seeing more given the circumstances of his draft position. And where did you get the impression that I'm projecting your comments onto MW's disposition? Did you misunderstand my response?

Yeah, that's it. They're superior from a talent standpoint at every freaking position on the field. They just "want it more".
Those teams do have talent and a good system of doing things but they also have that burning desire to be the best and that's what separates them from the rest. That's what I want to see coming from MW or is that too much to ask of a number one draft pick?

You don't know a blessed thing about Mario's attitude. You're making wild-assed, baseless speculation about his motivation and you're supporting those assumptions with numbers from a box score.
So I suppose that you have only been listening to Kubiak's appraisals of Mario while blocking out that of others. Questions about his attitude go all the way back to his days at NC State so they should be considered as a legitimate issue for discussion here.

Brilliant.
Why thank you! Actually, I consider you Brilliant as well... ;)

...and that's why, 20 months after the draft, we still have to listen to people bitch about the draft. We have a great nucleus for a defense that can become great for years to come. But, that's OK. Do keep bitching about the 2006 draft well into 2008.
Again, please show where I was "bitching" about that draft. I was merely responding to your responses and restating my position on the decision to pick Mario with the top pick - an opinion I've expressed to you on more than one occasion. Also you failed to note that I'm giving him 3 years before I give up on him.

[HillBoy]

Holy crap! What kind of bad crack did I have when I proofread that winner? :D
Dunno, there's an awful lot of bad ju-ju going around these days...

[msn]

And where did you get the impression that I'm projecting your comments onto MW's disposition? Did you misunderstand my response?
I noted that others struggle against good competition, and your response was, "That's the kind of attitude that..." while continuing to to discuss MW. Perhaps I indeed missed your train of thought entirely.

Those teams do have talent and a good system of doing things but they also have that burning desire to be the best and that's what separates them from the rest.
No, their talent and coaching separates them from the rest.

That's what I want to see coming from MW or is that too much to ask of a number one draft pick?
Yes. Asking him to live up to some dreamed-up mythical hyperbole of grit, desire, and fire that lives in your head based upon the performance of the top franchises in the league is too much to ask from your number one draft pick. In the real world, we look at performance, attitude, and work ethic. Unless you are on the inside, you have a clue about *one* of those. Not being on the inside, I have a clue about only *one* of those myself.

So I suppose that you have only been listening to Kubiak's appraisals of Mario while blocking out that of others.
Nope. I've listened to quite a few. In fact, Kubiak has been harder on him than his teammates. A lot of the mediots who decry Williams do it in the same breath as they mention his draft status or the Texans' passing on Reggie Bush while not stating a thing about his actual play of the position. Do I immediately dismiss that mindless drivel? Of course I do. And, so should you.

Questions about his attitude go all the way back to his days at NC State so they should be considered as a legitimate issue for discussion here.
Sure. But I don't see any evidence of a lacsadaisical effort on his part here. I'm sorry. I don't. I see that he's not Freeney in his prime yet, but I don't see laziness or him "taking games off". So sue me.

Again, please show where I was "bitching" about that draft. I was merely responding to your responses and restating my position on the decision to pick Mario with the top pick - an opinion I've expressed to you on more than one occasion. Also you failed to note that I'm giving him 3 years before I give up on him.
By having to dredge it up every time someone mentions Williams, that's how. You disagree with their drafting a "project player". Fine. Understood. I get it. We all get it. Now can we move the freak on already??

I missed on the three years thing, btw.

[Rokkit]

No question Mario was in another gear yesterday. Would definitely like to see that more often.

All yesterday proved is how capable he is. It needs to be a more consistent impact. Even though it was against a backup, I think it was still indicative of what he is capable of....now he just has to keep that intensity up more often.

[HillBoy]

I noted that others struggle against good competition, and your response was, "That's the kind of attitude that..." while continuing to to discuss MW. Perhaps I indeed missed your train of thought entirely.
It's OK. No harm, no foul.

No, their talent and coaching separates them from the rest.
We agree here however I still maintain that having the WILL to conquer and be the best is just as vital. All you need to do is to look at everybody's favorite whipping boy (David Carr) to understand the point I'm making here.

Yes. Asking him to live up to some dreamed-up mythical hyperbole of grit, desire, and fire that lives in your head based upon the performance of the top franchises in the league is too much to ask from your number one draft pick. In the real world, we look at performance, attitude, and work ethic. Unless you are on the inside, you have a clue about *one* of those. Not being on the inside, I have a clue about only *one* of those myself.
I'm asking nothing of the sort from Mario - I merely want to see him put forth a consistent enough effort for an entire season so that all of these issues can be finally laid to rest. Like I said, if we are still having this discussion next year then something will be very obvious and very wrong. Do I have my doubts about him? Oh yeah. I hate to say this but he reminds me of John Matuzak (without the hell-raiser personality of course) another physically gifted DL drafted by the Oilers who never quite lived up to his promise when he was here. But I feel that I'm being fair when I say that I have found his overall performance thus far to have been disappointing.

Nope. I've listened to quite a few. In fact, Kubiak has been harder on him than his teammates. A lot of the mediots who decry Williams do it in the same breath as they mention his draft status or the Texans' passing on Reggie Bush while not stating a thing about his actual play of the position. Do I immediately dismiss that mindless drivel? Of course I do. And, so should you.
Well I have to take anything that Kubiak says with a grain of salt because he has to justify his decision to take Mario no. 1 so of course his official and public position is going to be that he made the right decision. As for all of the others, I realize that they blow hot and cold depending on the public mood so I'm not entirely in agreement with their positions. I also have no position on the MW vs. RB or the MW vs. VY debate because I wasn't in favor of picking either player in 2006. I am focusing entirely on his effectiveness on the football field and to date I have found it to be spotty at best.

Sure. But I don't see any evidence of a lacsadaisical effort on his part here. I'm sorry. I don't. I see that he's not Freeney in his prime yet, but I don't see laziness or him "taking games off". So sue me.
Never said it was his lack of effort that bothered me only his attitude and desire to be the best. I also never implied that he takes games off (like Randy Moss used to do) only that he has far too many games where he makes very little impact and looks like just another guy out there.

By having to dredge it up every time someone mentions Williams, that's how. You disagree with their drafting a "project player". Fine. Understood. I get it. We all get it. Now can we move the freak on already??

I missed on the three years thing, btw.
Well, if you (and others) can come to the realization and would accept the fact that I'm not out to bash Mario because of some personal agenda, then I wouldn't feel the need to keep restating my position. I am merely a dispassionate observer nothing more. I am not emotionally vested in the RB-MW-VY debate (and controversy) and I have no personal axe to grind here. All I'm doing is observing Mario and relating what I'm seeing from him to what I've seen from other players in the past. I know that I may be critical of his play but I also believe that I am being very fair on the subject.

BTW, as I'm writing this, VY aka The Chosen One has just thrown another INT with 1:54 to go in the game against Denver. The Titans are getting spanked 34-20 so I'm getting ready for all of the upcoming PLAYOFF talk concerning the Texans.

[msn]

We agree here however I still maintain that having the WILL to conquer and be the best is just as vital. All you need to do is to look at everybody's favorite whipping boy (David Carr) to understand the point I'm making here.
You and I place far different significance on this phenomenon. Mostly because I don't believe you can tell someone's "WILL" from what is seen on the field.

I'm asking nothing of the sort from Mario
I think you are, when you say things about his attitude and his "will to win", which frankly, you can't get from a box score or really even from watching him play. Unless you're in the locker room, I believe you (and I) have no idea whatsoever about these things.

I am focusing entirely on his effectiveness on the football field and to date I have found it to be spotty at best.
We disagree, but I think our standards are different. My standard is a developing DE. Yours is, "he was first pick of the draft dammit!" :D

Never said it was his lack of effort that bothered me only his attitude and desire to be the best.
And you don't know anything about these things. All you see is Mario lined up against (usually) the best offensive tackles in the league and many, many double-teams.

Well, if you (and others) can come to the realization and would accept the fact that I'm not out to bash Mario because of some personal agenda, then I wouldn't feel the need to keep restating my position.... I have no personal axe to grind here.
All the talk does run together. For every time I've mixed you up with a guy who's bitter over the draft, my bad.

[Raven Lunatic]

Hillboy, I see you repeatedly questioning Mario's desire and motivation. You seem to think he takes plays, or even games off. But the only thing I ever see you give as concrete evidence is statistics from a box score. Can you point any specific plays or games where you saw Mario merely give up, not trail a play, play with little effort? It can't be denied that the guy does have a roller coaster impact on the box scores. That's apparent. But whenever I actually sit down at a game, either live or recorded, and focus on Mario play in and play out, I never see any difference in effort being put forth. I just see games where he makes good moves, sheds blockers well and blows up plays, and games where he gets blocked, locked up and trails plays. But he is ALWAYS hustling, when I watch.

I'm just curious if you can give a game in particular where you felt like he was taking plays off.

[MadMax]

Hillboy, I see you repeatedly questioning Mario's desire and motivation. You seem to think he takes plays, or even games off. But the only thing I ever see you give as concrete evidence is statistics from a box score. Can you point any specific plays or games where you saw Mario merely give up, not trail a play, play with little effort? It can't be denied that the guy does have a roller coaster impact on the box scores. That's apparent. But whenever I actually sit down at a game, either live or recorded, and focus on Mario play in and play out, I never see any difference in effort being put forth. I just see games where he makes good moves, sheds blockers well and blows up plays, and games where he gets blocked, locked up and trails plays. But he is ALWAYS hustling, when I watch.

I'm just curious if you can give a game in particular where you felt like he was taking plays off.

in fairness, this has been a knock on Mario for a while. it was what was said of him in college. it was listed as weakness #1 in every draft analysis i read of him.

[HillBoy]

You and I place far different significance on this phenomenon. Mostly because I don't believe you can tell someone's "WILL" from what is seen on the field.
Interesting but wasn't this one of the main reasons nearly everyone soured on David Carr - because he lacked the desire, leadership and will to win? If that can be true about Carr, then why not Mario as well. Let me put it this way: Ask yourself: Is this even a question mark about Demeco Ryans at all and if not why?

I think you are, when you say things about his attitude and his "will to win", which frankly, you can't get from a box score or really even from watching him play. Unless you're in the locker room, I believe you (and I) have no idea whatsoever about these things.
OK, then if we aren't going to or can't use his numbers or his play on the field to evaluate his performance, then we might as well extend the same courtesy to RB, VY and even the late lamented DC and start using subjective criteria to gauge their performances on the field.


We disagree, but I think our standards are different. My standard is a developing DE. Yours is, "he was first pick of the draft dammit!" :D
Right, I'm mostly sticking with a personal belief in that you don't use the number one pick on a project player in the hope he eventually develops enough to justify taking him so high.

All the talk does run together. For every time I've mixed you up with a guy who's bitter over the draft, my bad.
It's OK. No harm, no foul.