ClutchFans - Astros Trade Talks and Rumors

htownbball

11-09-2007, 02:39 PM

With Wade looking to make a bunch of deals, I thought I'd make a thread specifically for trade talks and rumors.

According to Peter Gammons, White Sox offered Ryan Sweeney for Chad Qualls...I would not have done that deal either. Sweeney is a very young RF with upside, but we needed a CF and a leadoff hitter.

Indians made an offer for Lidge, but we didn't reply. Cleveland's system is pretty mediocre. Article didn't say who was offered, but I can guess it involved OF Trevor Crowe as the centerpiece. He had a tough year, but he has skills. A CF/LF type who projects about 10 homers and 25 steals a year. Knows how to draw walks and doesn't strike out. He might be more polished than Bourn as a hitter, but Bourn has the higher upside and is a much better defender.

texanskan

11-09-2007, 02:42 PM

I thought we had the offseason thread!

of course I'm kidding, I started the D-Train thread because this team needs characters who don't just grind through the season.

Pence/Bourn/Backe is a good start lets add some more and pump life into this club!

htownbball

11-09-2007, 02:45 PM

Mets were interested in Lidge as well, but weren't willing to give any of their top guys (Fernando Martinez, Carlos Gomez)

MadMax

11-09-2007, 02:45 PM

of course I'm kidding, I started the D-Train thread because this team needs characters who don't just grind through the season.

Pence/Bourn/Backe is a good start lets add some more and pump life into this club!

why does it need "characters??"

texanskan

11-09-2007, 02:50 PM

why does it need "characters??"

Bagwell/Biggio/Berkman/Ensberg/Everett/Ausmus/Burke = boring

the only starter from that world series team with any flair on the field was Willy T.

MadMax

11-09-2007, 02:52 PM

Bagwell/Biggio/Berkman/Ensberg/Everett/Ausmus/Burke = boring

the only starter from that world series team with any flair on the field was Willy T.

there was nothing boring about watching my team win the pennant. nothing boring about that at all.

weslinder

11-09-2007, 02:53 PM

Bagwell/Biggio/Berkman/Ensberg/Everett/Ausmus/Burke = boring

the only starter from that world series team with any flair on the field was Willy T.

Brandon Backe has enough character for all 25 players.

NJRocket

11-09-2007, 02:55 PM

I figure we land Dontrelle if , for no other reason, Bourne needs a roomy on the road

;) ;) ;)

wrath_of_khan

11-09-2007, 02:58 PM

the only starter from that world series team with any flair on the field was Willy T.

Right, but it was a world series team.

How many of those have we had? ;)

texanskan

11-09-2007, 03:01 PM

there was nothing boring about watching my team win the pennant. nothing boring about that at all.

NOT SAYING THAT RUN WAS NOT GREAT just saying I want guys like Backe and Willy T who get fired up and PLAY IT LIKE THE GAME IT IS

texanskan

11-09-2007, 03:01 PM

I figure we land Dontrelle if , for no other reason, Bourne needs a roomy on the road

;) ;) ;)

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

htownbball

11-09-2007, 03:13 PM

he can room with cecil for now

Refman

11-09-2007, 03:13 PM

why does it need "characters??"
Because...with the writer's strike, it appears that somebody needs to be entertained.

Personally, I'd prefer guys without a lot of flair who just go out and win ballgames...but that may just be me.

home_vc

11-09-2007, 03:19 PM

why does it need "characters??"

This team needs fire. Players who get angry and show passion. Too many good guys on the team.

Buck Turgidson

11-09-2007, 03:21 PM

This team needs fire. Players who get angry and show passion. Too many good guys on the team.
Give me a break.

thacabbage

11-09-2007, 03:23 PM

This team needs fire. Players who get angry and show passion. Too many good guys on the team.
You guys take yourselves way too seriously.

justtxyank

11-09-2007, 03:24 PM

This team needs fire. Players who get angry and show passion. Too many good guys on the team.

:(

This team needs talent.

I always laugh about how fans rationalize poorly performing teams with "not having enough fire, not trying hard enough, etc."

home_vc

11-09-2007, 03:24 PM

Give me a break.

Same thing can be said about the rockets. Why you think the rockets got players like james, wells, scola, and francis.

justtxyank

11-09-2007, 03:25 PM

Same thing can be said about the rockets. Why you think the rockets got players like james, wells, scola, and francis.

Because they were devoid of talent.

LongTimeFan

11-09-2007, 03:25 PM

I may be in the minority, but I'm not willing to part with Pence except for *maybe* Santana. This team has struggled with offensive droughts for years, and finally we have a young player with a strong bat. I think Pence's bat in our lineup everyday would outweigh the advantage of a stud pitcher every fifth start.

My question is though - how high are people on Towles? Within the organization and outside of it. I think people cling to him because of all the Ausmus hate. Would you be willing to suffer through Ausmus for another year if Towles gets you D-Train? Obviously not Towles alone, but he'd be a significant piece.

home_vc

11-09-2007, 03:47 PM

Because they were devoid of talent.

The astros this past season had the same talent as 2005 when they went to the world series. The only difference was clemens and pettite leaving and being replaced with jennings and williams. The astros have talent. They need pitchers. I want to see players who show more emotion. What's wrong with that?

justtxyank

11-09-2007, 03:49 PM

The astros this past season had the same talent as 2005 when they went to the world series. The only difference was clemens and pettite leaving and being replaced with jennings and williams. The astros have talent. They need pitchers. I want to see players who show more emotion. What's wrong with that?

???

Berkman had a down year. Clemens and Pettitte were significant pieces of that WS run.

On top of all that, the WS run was more fluky luck than talent.

MadMax

11-09-2007, 03:51 PM

The astros this past season had the same talent as 2005 when they went to the world series. The only difference was clemens and pettite leaving and being replaced with jennings and williams. The astros have talent. They need pitchers. I want to see players who show more emotion. What's wrong with that?

i agree that pitching is the biggest concern. they had the worst team ERA in club history. they had one reliable starter and one of the worst bullpens in baseball. that's problem one in my book. of course, no one ever reads my book, so it hardly matters.

home_vc

11-09-2007, 03:57 PM

???

Berkman had a down year.

Berkman had a down year in 2005. He had just come back from surgery. He finished with better numbers last year.

Clemens and Pettitte were significant pieces of that WS run.

I just said Clemens and Pettite were the difference.

On top of all that, the WS run was more fluky luck than talent

Huh? :confused:

OldManBernie

11-09-2007, 04:04 PM

i agree that pitching is the biggest concern. they had the worst team ERA in club history. they had one reliable starter and one of the worst bullpens in baseball. that's problem one in my book. of course, no one ever reads my book, so it hardly matters.

Your book is boring... no character.

MadMax

11-09-2007, 04:05 PM

Your book is boring... no character.

i should have tinman do illustrations. but all the nude renderings of sam cassell might be confusing and/or disturbing.

Puedlfor

11-09-2007, 04:06 PM

On top of all that, the WS run was more fluky luck than talent.

If by "fluky luck", you mean "nightmarish buzzsaw of a pitching staff", then you are right.

I just said Clemens and Pettite were the difference.
Clemens, Pettite, Lidge, Wheeler, Biggio, Ensberg and Ausmus were the difference.