Why does Calvin murder Tmac on the Radio?

[BackNthDay]

If this has been discussed, please lock accordingly. Calvin gives Tmac the blues on his daily program. It appears as if Tmac got Calvin fired instead of Calvin getting himself fired.

Also Calvin acts as if Steve is his son and can replace Tmac in the lineup. I do love the fact that Calvin tells it like it is from his world when it comes to the Rockets.

[durvasa]

He actually said that T-Mac purposely wanted to make Shane look bad in the Lakers game by passing the ball to him with the clock winding down, and that he was "jealous" that Shane hit the shot. He said that when T-Mac plays the forward position, he's merely "average".

The funny thing is he constantly hates on JVG as well. I wonder who he credits for keeping the Rockets afloat last year when Yao got injured.

[TTRocket]

Nobody can make Shane Battier look bad.

[TeamUSA]

I wonder who he credits for keeping the Rockets afloat last year when Yao got injured.

Deke.

[SmitingPurpleEm]

He actually said that T-Mac purposely wanted to make Shane look bad in the Lakers game by passing the ball to him with the clock winding down, and that he was "jealous" that Shane hit the shot. He said that when T-Mac plays the forward position, he's merely "average".

The funny thing is he constantly hates on JVG as well. I wonder who he credits for keeping the Rockets afloat last year when Yao got injured.

Um...... what?????

That made absolutely no sense. I've ragged on McGrady a bit for ballhogging or whatever but that sounds too ridiculous to be true.

[JeopardE]

Geez. And to think I actually had some shred of respect left for this guy. I guess it's a good thing I never listen to his show after all.

[justtxyank]

I think it was two nights ago that he was really going hard against RA for not playing Francis. He said Francis was a great player and the other guy on the show said "That was like 5 years ago" and Calvin freaked out on him and said something along the lines of Francis being even better with maturity.

They had a pretty lengthy debate with the other guy sounding like a knowledgeable basketball fan and Calvin sounding like an ignorant ex-athlete.

[BackNthDay]

He actually said that T-Mac purposely wanted to make Shane look bad in the Lakers game by passing the ball to him with the clock winding down, and that he was "jealous" that Shane hit the shot. He said that when T-Mac plays the forward position, he's merely "average".

The funny thing is he constantly hates on JVG as well. I wonder who he credits for keeping the Rockets afloat last year when Yao got injured.

That's true, he kills JVG and acts as if we we're in the lotto every year JVG was here. Calvin thinks he can coach the Rockets to a better record than anyone.

He loves Rudy, Yao, Shane, Deke, Mike J, and Steve to death. Hates, Tmac and Luther. Only thing he doesn't like about Rafer is his jumper, which is flat out horrible.

[Precision340]

Um...... what?????

That made absolutely no sense. I've ragged on McGrady a bit for ballhogging or whatever but that sounds too ridiculous to be true.
Yep it's true.. little C said that. I heard that show and he's been trying to call T-Mac out, saying he's not a real superstar

[Desert_Rocket]

wow if all this is true, I'll never listen to this show. Surely Calivn can't be this ridiculous?

[hotballa]

it figures. the man gets away with molesting his kids and now he thinks he can get away with murder :mad:

[rocketsjudoka]

Yeah what the heck is Calvin thinkin? Its almost like he is posting on CF.net..

[Precision340]

Geez. And to think I actually had some shred of respect left for this guy. I guess it's a good thing I never listen to his show after all.
it's a pretty good show if you can stand Calvin yelling at the top of his lungs.. it's funny to hear him and the other 2 guys go at it.. i think they do it on purpose just to get him riled up... varying opinions and content makes for a good drive home

[Severe Rockets Fan]

I listened to the show once and was waiting for someone to tell him to back away from the mic if he's going to yell the whole time he's on the air. Good lord.

[bladeage]

wait, are we talking about Calvin MURPHY?

[rockmanslim]

I don't think Calvin is an ignorant ex-athlete. He's just very loyal to Steve, and he is blinded by that loyalty. I heard part of his show the other day, and it was pretty obvious.

I didn't know he said that stuff about T-Mac. That's crazy if true.

[professorjay]

Wow, that's amazing...and ridiculous. So Calvin is a TOH?

[Kam]

It's cause Steve bought his camp or whatever a bus, so Calvin will be greatful to him for it.


Until McGrady provides shoes to his camp, Murph will trash him.


I try to listen to his show, but it's real hard. I love him doing color with Bill, but his radio show is just too hard. He's our local screaming stephen a smith.

[durvasa]

I listen to his show, because it's mostly Rockets talk (a rarity with Houston sports talk shows, it seems). And, even though Murph says some dumb things, I think he's very entertaining. Like Charles Barkley on TNT.

The difference between Calvin and Steven A. Smith -- Calvin isn't really angry when he yells/argues. He's kind of chuckling while he does it. Steve A. is just an angry individual.

Yesterday, Calvin was talking about how T-Mac needed to defer to Yao like he used to with Moses Malone. I almost wanted to phone in and say: "Calvin, Yao is no Moses. And, you know what else? You're no T-Mac!"

[jasona88]

Well i do see where Calvin is coming from. We were tied at the end of the game.Tmac was on top of the arc, a player with a killer instinct (kobe or playoff/13 in 35 tmac) would have takin that shot over whoever was guarding him. Tmac knew if he took that shot and missed he would of been called something like a "choker" by the media/clutchfans... He might of though it was better not to risk it since we were already tied. By passing it to battier, the fans or media wouldnt have been so hard on a missed shot in a tied game, and tmac would of still looked good if battier missed or swished it. keep in mind he was already having a "bad" shooting night with a few airballs. :p :p

[Desert_Rocket]

perhaps Calvin is the aging african? No? Maybe No?

[bladeage]

perhaps Calvin is the aging african? No? Maybe No?

I thought that was Deke.

[shawn786]

Damn I can't belive Calvin said that about T-Mac.

I loved Calvin & wish he was back calling the games w/ Bill :(

[Untraceable]

I thought that was Deke.

After seeing mutumbo dunk yesterday, I don't think the rules of age-ing applies to Deke anymore....

[mlwoo]

it figures. the man gets away with molesting his kids and now he thinks he can get away with murder :mad:
You said what everyone is thinking.

[xiki]

As a newly out of towner I haven't heard Calvin's show. He is a yakaholic in real life, at any decibel.

I wonder if Calvin holds McGrady to a standard worthy of TMac's skillset and gets frustrated, as I (and others) do, when Tracy is < Kobe rather than = or > than Bryant. He could be, but he's not.

BTW - I love the psychobabble on Shane's winning trey.

[LFE171]

psh, let murph have his opinions about whoever. its just entertainment. i really like listening to his stuff about players of the past and their little stories.

when he talks about today's game, i just take it with a grain of salt.

and to the OP, he actually rags on tmac because he wants him to elevate his game. he actually addressed this last night on his show around...6:30pm I believe. there's nothing wrong with that, heck, i think its a good thing. does tmac listen to the show? maybe. but hey, it's working. prior to the san antonio game, mcgrady's been averaging 33 points! thats nuts! he's still dishing it out, averaging 5.5 assists (now its up since he had 6 last night) too. so he's still doing what he did last year, but better. the points calvin makes about attacking the basket, being overall more aggressive and flowing with the system, tmac's been doing!

murph praises mcgrady too, just his bashing seems to stand out more.

[abc2007]

Simply, he wants attention!!! :eek:

[d.wang]

Nobody can make Shane Battier look bad.

Quoted for Truth.

[yipengzhao]

He actually said that T-Mac purposely wanted to make Shane look bad in the Lakers game by passing the ball to him with the clock winding down, and that he was "jealous" that Shane hit the shot. He said that when T-Mac plays the forward position, he's merely "average".

The funny thing is he constantly hates on JVG as well. I wonder who he credits for keeping the Rockets afloat last year when Yao got injured.

Well I am a TMac fan for sure but he did sound a little weird in the postgame interview, it went something like this:

TNT guy: what do you think about the last shot?
Battier: I'm glad it went in
TMAC: Yeah that was a horrible shot selection

It was like he was criticizing Battier when it was the best shot available.

[DaRock1]

Calvin thinks he can coach the Rockets to a better record than anyone.

If Calvin was our coach, he would go to Yao 99 times out of 100 possessions. And whoever didn't pass the ball to Yao soon enough would be benched in the next 3 games, maybe except Tmac because he would be needed as a decoy to draw the triple-team away from Yao.

[Kam]

Has TSU hired muprh yet?

[Rowdie Brandon]

I hardly ever listen to Murph's program and I'm a long time Murph fan, but if what you'll are saying is true then I think I'll keep not listening.....I've been critical of tmac in the past, but where does he pull something like "tmac was jealous of battier" from???

Well i do see where Calvin is coming from. We were tied at the end of the game.Tmac was on top of the arc, a player with a killer instinct (kobe or playoff/13 in 35 tmac) would have takin that shot over whoever was guarding him. Tmac knew if he took that shot and missed he would of been called something like a "choker" by the media/clutchfans... He might of though it was better not to risk it since we were already tied. By passing it to battier, the fans or media wouldnt have been so hard on a missed shot in a tied game, and tmac would of still looked good if battier missed or swished it. keep in mind he was already having a "bad" shooting night with a few airballs.

perhaps, but that's still a big ass assumption, lol.....like I said I've criticized tmac in the past and from what I hear I think some of Murph's criticisms of Mac are accurate, but when you start throwing out ideas that a guy is jealous of a teammate because he hit the game winning shot......that's border line insane and almost makes you sound like the "jealous" ex-athlete....

I honestly feel that Murph still has some bad blood over Les Alexander not giving him his job back so he uses Tmac as a scapegoat for his frustrations...

[dragonz]

That's true, he kills JVG and acts as if we we're in the lotto every year JVG was here. Calvin thinks he can coach the Rockets to a better record than anyone.

He loves Rudy, Yao, Shane, Deke, Mike J, and Steve to death. Hates, Tmac and Luther. Only thing he doesn't like about Rafer is his jumper, which is flat out horrible.

old school homer

[Rowdie Brandon]

this is off topic, but those "drexlerisms" are hilarious.................

[finalsbound]

Well I am a TMac fan for sure but he did sound a little weird in the postgame interview, it went something like this:

TNT guy: what do you think about the last shot?
Battier: I'm glad it went in
TMAC: Yeah that was a horrible shot selection

It was like he was criticizing Battier when it was the best shot available.

Yeah I remember that. Not saying Murph has a point, but I did think that was a little weird.

[SLrocket]

senile old man....

[yao_fan_2007]

Is Calvin also a YOF to you guys?

Man..some of you TOF can't tolerate critcism directed at T-Mac. Yesterday, Fran wrote in his blog that T-Mac was an "idiot" in the Dallas game for not passing to Yao. I agree. Are you going to crucify Fran Blinebury too?

What about Rick Adelman. Obviously, after the Dallas game, Adelman's comment about needing to get others involved was directed at T-mac. That's why on the SA game, T-Mac did not shoot friggin 35 times.

Maybe, just maybe, some of these criticisms directed at T-Mac is valid huh? And not just YOF rhetoric?

[YallMean]

He actually said that T-Mac purposely wanted to make Shane look bad in the Lakers game by passing the ball to him with the clock winding down, and that he was "jealous" that Shane hit the shot. He said that when T-Mac plays the forward position, he's merely "average".

The funny thing is he constantly hates on JVG as well. I wonder who he credits for keeping the Rockets afloat last year when Yao got injured.

I dont know if Tmac was trying to set up Shane, but I agree that wasnt the right pass. The right pass was to Yao in the middle, with Farma closest to guard. It would have been a easy dunck and possibly and 1. We were lucky Shane's shot fell.

[ReD_1]

Is Calvin also a YOF to you guys?

Man..some of you TOF can't tolerate critcism directed at T-Mac. Yesterday, Fran wrote in his blog that T-Mac was an "idiot" in the Dallas game for not passing to Yao. I agree. Are you going to crucify Fran Blinebury too?

What about Rick Adelman. Obviously, after the Dallas game, Adelman's comment about needing to get others involved was directed at T-mac. That's why on the SA game, T-Mac did not shoot friggin 35 times.

Maybe, just maybe, some of these criticisms directed at T-Mac is valid huh? And not just YOF rhetoric?
TOH or YOF

[magnetik]

Why is it that when we are doing good, have more optimism vs previous years, have so much backup depth that we don't need Yao or Tmac on some nights, yet we have people (even Calvin) trying to ruin what we have right now. We're 4-1 for Gods sake, just beat the champs at home, and beat the Jazz in their house.. something we couldn't do once in the whole series.

Certain former Rockets and fans need to STFU and quit rocking the boat...

[wreck]

truth is tmac is an arrogant player. this is my team...its on me...my guys...my shot. that doesnt take away from him being a team player though. he wants to win.

i dont like that when he has a bad scoring game, he makes excuses like i wanted to help my "teamates out", "im a facilitator"

[magnetik]

I would rather have Tmac faciltating if his shot isn't going down. This year he has more weapons which makes it possible.

[RocketsMac]

wait, are we talking about Calvin MURPHY?
yep, the same guy that many of our fellow BBSers have orgasms everytime he is brought up, those same guys that keep bitchin' about the commentators and think that Calvin is the god of commentating... :rolleyes:

it really preplexes me how many people take drugs these days...

[yao_fan_2007]

Why is it that when we are doing good, have more optimism vs previous years, have so much backup depth that we don't need Yao or Tmac on some nights, yet we have people (even Calvin) trying to ruin what we have right now. We're 4-1 for Gods sake, just beat the champs at home, and beat the Jazz in their house.. something we couldn't do once in the whole series.

Certain former Rockets and fans need to STFU and quit rocking the boat...


Hey..it's the USA..freedom of speech right? Fact is, this thread exists. I didn't create it. Therefore, it's fair game to discuss this. It's not like I intentionally bought this issue up.

Yeah, we're doing great, but that's not relevant at all to this issue. The issue is, are the criticisms directed towards T-Mac fair or not?

[shipwreck]

It's entertainment, and I am entertained. Tmac trying to make Battier look bad? It is not humanly possible that Tracy was thinking about sabatoging anybody, or that he was doing anything other than trying to get a good shot. It appeared to me that he did exactly that, by drawing almost the whole Laker defense. The shot selection was suspect, however it went in and thats all that counts.

At the risk of sounding ignorant, when and where is Calvin's show heard? I haven't had the opportunity to catch it, but it sounds like a party.

[yao_fan_2007]

truth is tmac is an arrogant player. this is my team...its on me...my guys...my shot. that doesnt take away from him being a team player though. he wants to win.

i dont like that when he has a bad scoring game, he makes excuses like i wanted to help my "teamates out", "im a facilitator"


He's not just an arrogant player. It's ok to be arrogant. But he's arrogant and also at times, a loser. That's why it's so repulsive to hear T-Mac say stupid things like "Its on me" and then 1 day later, see him cry.

[shipwreck]

Yeah, we're doing great, but that's not relevant at all to this issue. The issue is, are the criticisms directed towards T-Mac fair or not?

Are Murph's criticisms fair? No. Blinebury was onto something though about the Dallas game. Tmac knows he isn't god, no matter how close he may be. Of course criticism is fair. We are 4-1 and we should be proud of that, but it means absolutely nothing at the end of the day. 77 more that are just as important, and Tmac is definitely aware of his mistakes (and hopefully takes measures to remedy them).

[ico4498]

Certain former Rockets and fans need to STFU and quit rocking the boat...

half the fun is proving the skeptics wrong ...

[shipwreck]

He's not just an arrogant player. It's ok to be arrogant. But he's arrogant and also at times, a loser. That's why it's so repulsive to hear T-Mac say stupid things like "Its on me" and then 1 day later, see him cry.

How is it repulsive? It was all on him, that's WHY he cried. He is a loser, because he has lost, but by that definition then so is the entire league. Since he has not done it in the post-season, then granted he could be labeled a 'loser'. However, Tracy's talent is undeniable and he has proven that for seasons now. He is not perfect, and must maintain not only his amazing offensive prowess but incorporate his team mates, and most importantly control his shot selection to take that next step.

I don't see how it is repulsive for him to accept the responsibility he himself acknowledged.

[RocksMillenium]

Well i do see where Calvin is coming from. We were tied at the end of the game.Tmac was on top of the arc, a player with a killer instinct (kobe or playoff/13 in 35 tmac) would have takin that shot over whoever was guarding him. Tmac knew if he took that shot and missed he would of been called something like a "choker" by the media/clutchfans... He might of though it was better not to risk it since we were already tied. By passing it to battier, the fans or media wouldnt have been so hard on a missed shot in a tied game, and tmac would of still looked good if battier missed or swished it. keep in mind he was already having a "bad" shooting night with a few airballs. :p :p

Yeah, because Michael Jordan has never passed the ball off to John Paxon or Steve Kerr for a game winning shot or anything. :rolleyes:

[RocksMillenium]

He's not just an arrogant player. It's ok to be arrogant. But he's arrogant and also at times, a loser. That's why it's so repulsive to hear T-Mac say stupid things like "Its on me" and then 1 day later, see him cry.

So he's arrogant and a loser because he took responsibility for the series loss last year? :rolleyes:

[RocksMillenium]

truth is tmac is an arrogant player. this is my team...its on me...my guys...my shot. that doesnt take away from him being a team player though. he wants to win.

i dont like that when he has a bad scoring game, he makes excuses like i wanted to help my "teamates out", "im a facilitator"

That's not an excuse, I see superstars say that all the time. They say that if they're having a bad game they get their teammates involved, what's wrong with that? For the record, EVERY superstar has an ego. You can't be successful without being arrogant.

[wnes]

What's the difference between wreck and shipwreck ... LOL ... I'm getting a bit confused ...

[durvasa]

Is Calvin also a YOF to you guys?

Calvin Murphy has been a Rocket or Rocket fan for nearly 40 years. By definition, he is not a "YOF".

Yesterday, Fran wrote in his blog that T-Mac was an "idiot" in the Dallas game for not passing to Yao. I agree. Are you going to crucify Fran Blinebury too?

Fran wasn't calling him an idiot. He was referring, sarcastically, to how people were calling T-Mac an idiot after the Dallas game. His point was that fans are fickle and they over-react.

[jasonemilio]

Well I am a TMac fan for sure but he did sound a little weird in the postgame interview, it went something like this:

TNT guy: what do you think about the last shot?
Battier: I'm glad it went in
TMAC: Yeah that was a horrible shot selection

It was like he was criticizing Battier when it was the best shot available.

Was that after the lakers game? Did he actually say that?

[durvasa]

He's not just an arrogant player. It's ok to be arrogant. But he's arrogant and also at times, a loser. That's why it's so repulsive to hear T-Mac say stupid things like "Its on me" and then 1 day later, see him cry.

Is there a great player who has not "at times" been a loser?

The "its on me" comment was him taking responsibility for how the team does. How can anyone who isn't being a total cynic look at that in a negative way?

And, yes, when we lost he was devastated. Even Jordan cried after getting eliminated in the playoffs before the championships. That makes him a loser?

I try not to get too emotional on these boards, but it's fans like you that really repulse me.

[pelbeaini]

When and where does his show comes on?

[Rivaldo2181]

At the risk of sounding ignorant, when and where is Calvin's show heard? I haven't had the opportunity to catch it, but it sounds like a party.

FM 97.5 at 5-7 PM i believe

[justtxyank]

He reiterated today right around 5:05 that T-Mac is usually all about getting his points and that they won last night because T-Mac didn't worry about his points.

[durvasa]

Was that after the lakers game? Did he actually say that?

Not in those words, but he did say it was a bad shot because of how far out Battier was when he took it. Both T-Mac and Battier were grinning, so I assume he was just teasing.

Anyone who listened to that and thought that T-Mac was "jealous" or something was simply looking for a reason to criticize him.

[blackistan]

Mayn I hope this isnt true cuz i had love for calvin I thought he loved the rockets

[durvasa]

He reiterated today right around 5:05 that T-Mac is usually all about getting his points and that they won last night because T-Mac didn't worry about his points.

Funny, I thought they won because they outrebounded the Spurs like 25 to 2 on the offensive glass.

[justtxyank]

Funny, I thought they won because they outrebounded the Spurs like 25 to 2 on the offensive glass.

He said something like this (paraphrasing)

"The difference between last night and the game against Dallas was against Dallas some people (T-Mac implied) were worrying about their stats instead of trying to win the game by giving the ball to Yao. Against San Antonio they went through Yao because T-Mac didn't care about his stats."

He then said he's been saying for a long time that it was a problem with the Rockets that T-Mac is all about his numbers.

Something like that.

[Rivaldo2181]

He said something like this (paraphrasing)

"The difference between last night and the game against Dallas was against Dallas some people (T-Mac implied) were worrying about their stats instead of trying to win the game by giving the ball to Yao. Against San Antonio they went through Yao because T-Mac didn't care about his stats."

He then said he's been saying for a long time that it was a problem with the Rockets that T-Mac is all about his numbers.

Something like that.

Wow...I usually listen to Calvin's show since they mainly talk Rockets/NBA but I am working right now so not listening but can't believe he said that! If T-Mac only cared about his stats he would be leading the league in pts every healthy season. Even Ray Charles could see T-Mac is not all about his stats.

T-Mac must have done something to upset Calvin somehow.

[jasonemilio]

He said something like this (paraphrasing)

"The difference between last night and the game against Dallas was against Dallas some people (T-Mac implied) were worrying about their stats instead of trying to win the game by giving the ball to Yao. Against San Antonio they went through Yao because T-Mac didn't care about his stats."

He then said he's been saying for a long time that it was a problem with the Rockets that T-Mac is all about his numbers.

Something like that.

Ok I'm relativlely new Rockets fan, only been ever since Tmac got traded here, so I don't know a lot about the Rocket's history and its players, not to mention witness any of its past greatness. I just know that everyone here respects Calvin (Murphy?) so I respect that too, but.....
this guy has to be smokin' crack or something because he's making Tmac to be like Kobe, a guy who only thinks about himself....bulls**
Is he like a TOH or something?
Or maybe.....he's been listening to Yao_fan ......or maybe they're the same person?.....oh the conspiracy....

[beyao]

Is Calvin also a YOF to you guys?

Man..some of you TOF can't tolerate critcism directed at T-Mac. Yesterday, Fran wrote in his blog that T-Mac was an "idiot" in the Dallas game for not passing to Yao. I agree. Are you going to crucify Fran Blinebury too?

What about Rick Adelman. Obviously, after the Dallas game, Adelman's comment about needing to get others involved was directed at T-mac. That's why on the SA game, T-Mac did not shoot friggin 35 times.

Maybe, just maybe, some of these criticisms directed at T-Mac is valid huh? And not just YOF rhetoric?

What you're saying is true, and I don't think anyone is disputing it. TMac needs to learn that it's not in the best interest of the team when he ignores Yao and puts up 35 shots. But unlike Kobe, I believe TMac can and WILL make adjustments (as we saw in the SA game). I think TMac has just been testing the waters with RA to see how far he could push it. His natural inclination is to put up a high volume of shots, that's just the way scorers are...you have to reign them in every once in a while and they'll be fine.

[rockets fan]

Well I am a TMac fan for sure but he did sound a little weird in the postgame interview, it went something like this:

TNT guy: what do you think about the last shot?
Battier: I'm glad it went in
TMAC: Yeah that was a horrible shot selection

It was like he was criticizing Battier when it was the best shot available.

I definitely felt the same way when I saw that. Tmac came off to me as a jealous, ego maniac who cares more about individual glory than team. Everyone else on the team was going nuts about Shane's shot. I think Tmac deservingly earned his "unselfish" tag in the NBA. I mean, dude only passes for assists, I never seen him try to truly setup the offense. At least Kobe trys to direct offense in the Triangle. He be more of a point forward than Tmac if he played the 3.

[rockets fan]

Funny, I thought they won because they outrebounded the Spurs like 25 to 2 on the offensive glass.

We won partially because of that. The other reason we won is the fact that Tmac didn't take an additional 17 shots from his teammates when he was obviously not feeling it like he did in Dallas.

Durvasa, I'm usually a fan of your posts, but when it comes to Tmac, you ride his jock like whore rides her pimps. If you can't sense Tmac's pettiness during the interview after the Laker's interview, then I don't even know what to tell you. He could say what he said behind closed doors, but on National TV, credit your teammate for a great shot. Somehow, only when he jacks up bad shot after bad shot in a game and it goes in, he's just "imposing his will on the game."

[rockets fan]

I definitely felt the same way when I saw that. Tmac came off to me as a jealous, ego maniac who cares more about individual glory than team. Everyone else on the team was going nuts about Shane's shot. I think Tmac undeservingly earned his "unselfish" tag in the NBA. I mean, dude only passes for assists, I never seen him try to truly setup the offense. At least Kobe trys to direct offense in the Triangle. He be more of a point forward than Tmac if he played the 3.

correction

[DudeWah]

Well I am a TMac fan for sure but he did sound a little weird in the postgame interview, it went something like this:

TNT guy: what do you think about the last shot?
Battier: I'm glad it went in
TMAC: Yeah that was a horrible shot selection

It was like he was criticizing Battier when it was the best shot available.
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yeah i caught that too
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i'm a t-mac fan, but DAMN was he trying to downplay that shot as much as possible
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(he was probably mad he himself didn't make it...hehe)

[DaRock1]

Ok I'm relativlely new Rockets fan, only been ever since Tmac got traded here, so I don't know a lot about the Rocket's history and its players, not to mention witness any of its past greatness. I just know that everyone here respects Calvin (Murphy?) so I respect that too, but.....
this guy has to be smokin' crack or something because he's making Tmac to be like Kobe, a guy who only thinks about himself....bulls**
Is he like a TOH or something?
Or maybe.....he's been listening to Yao_fan ......or maybe they're the same person?.....oh the conspiracy....

I guess Calvin is just trying to balance out the Yao_haters.

[jasonemilio]

We won partially because of that. The other reason we won is the fact that Tmac didn't take an additional 17 shots from his teammates when he was obviously not feeling it like he did in Dallas.

Durvasa, I'm usually a fan of your posts, but when it comes to Tmac, you ride his jock like whore rides her pimps. If you can't sense Tmac's pettiness during the interview after the Laker's interview, then I don't even know what to tell you. He could say what he said behind closed doors, but on National TV, credit your teammate for a great shot. Somehow, only when he jacks up bad shot after bad shot in a game and it goes in, he's just "imposing his will on the game."

And you call yourself a "Rockets" fan.
If you call yourself a true Rockets fan, then that entails supporting the WHOLE team, including EVERY player (this may/may not include Rafer), especially our two superstars. If you think Tmac is selfish then you seriously need to check the dictionary more often, and look around at the Gilbert Arenas (he's just plain cocky), and the Kobe Byants of the world. Granted, Kobe is a winner, but he only looks for himself first, although he is getting rather quiet now. I don't suppose you remember Tmac saying he would rather score less and win than score? Last night's game was a reflection of that, he knew he was off so he sacrificed himself getting looks for Yao and his teammates. Oh, and btw, Mike James would be the "selfish" player on this team.

[rhino17]

I used to love his commentary during the rockets games, but after listening to his show, I HATE HIM.

[rockets fan]

And you call yourself a "Rockets" fan.
If you call yourself a true Rockets fan, then that entails supporting the WHOLE team, including EVERY player (this may/may not include Rafer), especially our two superstars. If you think Tmac is selfish then you seriously need to check the dictionary more often, and look around at the Gilbert Arenas (he's just plain cocky), and the Kobe Byants of the world. Granted, Kobe is a winner, but he only looks for himself first, although he is getting rather quiet now. I don't suppose you remember Tmac saying he would rather score less and win than score? Last night's game was a reflection of that, he knew he was off so he sacrificed himself getting looks for Yao and his teammates. Oh, and btw, Mike James would be the "selfish" player on this team.

How is Kobe any more selfish than Tmac? You watch the game vs. the Suns? Was dominating the ball or chucking like Tmac was in Dallas?

And MJ may be on the selfish side, but at least he doesn't try to promote himself as unselfish..." You miss every shot you don't take!"...nuff said

[DaRock1]

And you call yourself a "Rockets" fan.
If you call yourself a true Rockets fan, then that entails supporting the WHOLE team, including EVERY player (this may/may not include Rafer), especially our two superstars

That might be one of the funniest post that I have read in a while, not because of what is said in the post, but rather because of who the poster is. jasonemilio calling out someone else who dissed one of our superstars, LMAO. Isn't it what this fool has been doing ever since he joined this forum?

[choujie]

And you call yourself a "Rockets" fan.
If you call yourself a true Rockets fan, then that entails supporting the WHOLE team, including EVERY player (this may/may not include Rafer), especially our two superstars. If you think Tmac is selfish then you seriously need to check the dictionary more often, and look around at the Gilbert Arenas (he's just plain cocky), and the Kobe Byants of the world. Granted, Kobe is a winner, but he only looks for himself first, although he is getting rather quiet now. I don't suppose you remember Tmac saying he would rather score less and win than score? Last night's game was a reflection of that, he knew he was off so he sacrificed himself getting looks for Yao and his teammates. Oh, and btw, Mike James would be the "selfish" player on this team.

I'm sorry but Kobe has done nothing more than Tmac without a prime Shaq.

[durvasa]

We won partially because of that. The other reason we won is the fact that Tmac didn't take an additional 17 shots from his teammates when he was obviously not feeling it like he did in Dallas.

Against Dallas, our team TS% was 50.4%, and against San Antonio it was 47.6%. So, it doesn't appear we were any more efficient, as a team, with Yao taking a ton of shots versus T-Mac taking a ton of shots. Maybe I'm missing your point, but I think overwhelmingly the deciding factor in the game was our offensive rebounding.


Durvasa, I'm usually a fan of your posts, but when it comes to Tmac, you ride his jock like whore rides her pimps. If you can't sense Tmac's pettiness during the interview after the Laker's interview, then I don't even know what to tell you. He could say what he said behind closed doors, but on National TV, credit your teammate for a great shot.

I'm pretty sure he did credit him, though. Can someone post an exact quote?

[Murph23]

Murph said it best today on his show. He said when he worked with Bill Worrell doing Rocket's games, he was getting paid by the Rockets and couldn't criticize the team or players or he would be out of a job. Remember Alan Ashby? He says now that he is doing a radio show and is no longer on the Rocket's payroll, he can offer a true assessment of players and the team.

BTW, he said on his show yesterday before the game that the Rockets would win by 7. Not bad.

[rockets fan]

Against Dallas, our team TS% was 50.4%, and against San Antonio it was 47.6%. So, it doesn't appear we were any more efficient, as a team, with Yao taking a ton of shots versus T-Mac taking a ton of shots. Maybe I'm missing your point, but I think overwhelmingly the deciding factor in the game was our offensive rebounding.




I'm pretty sure he did credit him, though. Can someone post an exact quote?

The OFF reb. opportunities were primarily created by the attention that Yao was drawing in the low block. If Tmac just started chucking like he did the night before, our other guys wouldn't even have been in position to get those boards.

I wouldn't even say Yao took a ton of shots against SA. He definitely got a lot more touches than he did the previous night. Tmac took a ton of shots against Dallas (31 :eek: ).

[shipwreck]

I'm pretty sure he did credit him, though. Can someone post an exact quote?

It was something like:


Sager: That was a crazy shot did you think it would go in?
Battier: If you asked me before I took it, I'd have said no but sometimes you just get one of those shots.
Tmac: Yeah I didnt want him to take it cause he was like three feet off the line, but he made it and that was the best shot since they collapsed on me so. You usually want a better shot in that situation but he made it.

[Spacemoth]

I listened the night before the SA game and he repeated like one hundred times that he is T-mac's biggest supporter, he just gets on him because he has all the talent and ability to control the Rockets' destiny.

And he did call the Rockets beating SA, his guess was by seven and no one in studio would agree, save Nick van Exel. We won by eight, so you gotta give him his props. I don't think he's a hater.

[supertzar101]

who gives a damn what that molester thinks. im glad his ass dont commentate anymore. he sucked.annoying bastard.

[durvasa]

The OFF reb. opportunities were primarily created by the attention that Yao was drawing in the low block. If Tmac just started chucking like he did the night before, our other guys wouldn't even have been in position to get those boards.

Well, Yao himself got 8 offensive boards, most of which were off missed shots from teammates. So, I'm not sure if the offensive rebounding came about because Yao was getting more touches. San Antonio has struggled with their rebounding to start the season, and Bonzi has rebounded well against them in the past.

[tigermission1]

Look, Calvin was a great color commentator on TV besides Bill Worrell (who did a good job keeping him under control, for the most part). But one thing Calvin will ALWAYS put first before anything or anyone else is himself. He has absolutely no problem about pimping himself for any number of jobs any opportunity he gets, and he will also hammer down his 'nemesis' from the past whenever he gets a chance to do so. He hated JVG and he only seems to have loyalty to the guys that were 'around' when he last had a job. And if it wasn't for him holding out a chance in hell that Le$ might one day get over their differences and hire him back he would probably murder Le$ on radio as well.

Calvin is all about Calvin...that's just the guy in a nutshell. He's a showman and he loves attention.

[durvasa]

It was something like:


Sager: That was a crazy shot did you think it would go in?
Battier: If you asked me before I took it, I'd have said no but sometimes you just get one of those shots.
Tmac: Yeah I didnt want him to take it cause he was like three feet off the line, but he made it and that was the best shot since they collapsed on me so. You usually want a better shot in that situation but he made it.

So Battier admitted it was a tough shot that he wasn't confident would go in. And T-Mac is a bad teammate for basically repeating the same thing (it wasn't a great shot in that situation, but fortunately it goes in)? Ok ...

[rockets fan]

Well, Yao himself got 8 offensive boards, most of which were off missed shots from teammates. So, I'm not sure if the offensive rebounding came about because Yao was getting more touches. San Antonio has struggled with their rebounding to start the season, and Bonzi has rebounded well against them in the past.

Yao got 8, but we got a bunch more. And Tmac shooting 7 seconds into the shot clock doesn't put us into postion to get those rebounds. So much like Mac said: 'It's on him.'

[rockets fan]

So Battier admitted it was a tough shot that he wasn't confident would go in. And T-Mac is a bad teammate for basically repeating the same thing (it wasn't a great shot in that situation, but fortunately it goes in)? Ok ...
Battier said what he was supposed too. He is not arrogant. What Tmac said is not what he was supposed to. He basically said Shane shouldn't shot that shot, even though it was he who passed him the ball. Had he himself hit that shot, he would have said he "imposed his will on the game."
And I refuse to believe anyone with even the slightest theory of mind can't see the jealousy in Tmac's words and expression.

[jasonemilio]

It was something like:


Sager: That was a crazy shot did you think it would go in?
Battier: If you asked me before I took it, I'd have said no but sometimes you just get one of those shots.
Tmac: Yeah I didnt want him to take it cause he was like three feet off the line, but he made it and that was the best shot since they collapsed on me so. You usually want a better shot in that situation but he made it.

Now that sounds more reasonable. I was sure I saw the comments somewhere and that it wasn't like everyone else interpreted it too be

[durvasa]

Battier said what he was supposed too. He is not arrogant. What Tmac said is not what he was supposed to.

Show me where that's written. You hear teammates teasing each other about attempting bad shots but making them all the time.

He basically said Shane shouldn't shot that shot, even though it was he who passed him the ball. Had he himself hit that shot, he would have said he "imposed his will on the game."

And I refuse to believe anyone with even the slightest theory of mind can't see the jealousy in Tmac's words and expression.

Look, you obviously have some pre-existing views about T-Mac character if you're going to assume he said what he said out of jealousy. It could just as easily have been an innocent, teasing comment, particularly when he's just repeating what Battier already said. When teammates are close, they don't need to be politically correct and give stock answers about each other's performance.

It's not like this is the first time Tracy has given up the ball to a wide open team mate in crunch time. He does so regularly and willingly. So this notion that he's "jealous" a teammate would hit the shot is completely far-fetched to me.

But go ahead and assume the worst in people, if you prefer.

[doublehh03]

How is Kobe any more selfish than Tmac? You watch the game vs. the Suns? Was dominating the ball or chucking like Tmac was in Dallas?

And MJ may be on the selfish side, but at least he doesn't try to promote himself as unselfish..." You miss every shot you don't take!"...nuff said

you're comparing one game where tmac may have been selfish. ONE FREAKIN' game. and tmac still racked up 8 assists in that game.

and that comment about battier, he said that w/ a smile (prollie teasing battier). battier laughed too.

[doublehh03]

The OFF reb. opportunities were primarily created by the attention that Yao was drawing in the low block. If Tmac just started chucking like he did the night before, our other guys wouldn't even have been in position to get those boards.

I wouldn't even say Yao took a ton of shots against SA. He definitely got a lot more touches than he did the previous night. Tmac took a ton of shots against Dallas (31 :eek: ).

yao didn't take a ton of shots? we basically ran EVERY play through him. tmac got 3 plays ran for him in the entire 2nd half.

and why do u only bring up ONE FREAKIN' GAME? is tmac like that all the time?

he proved last yr how unselfish he is and prollie the most unselfish scoring superstar in the L.

even when he was hot v. utah, he only took 27 shots. and we went to yao a lot in the 2nd half and he still played WITHIN the offense WHEN HE'S HOT.

you're making it seem like tmac is always a selfish player. one game. cmon now. you're sounding like a tmac critic.

[doublehh03]

So Battier admitted it was a tough shot that he wasn't confident would go in. And T-Mac is a bad teammate for basically repeating the same thing (it wasn't a great shot in that situation, but fortunately it goes in)? Ok ...

and what u forget from that exchange, TMAC AND BATTIER BOTH CHUCKLED when tmac said that was a lucky shot. what does that say? it's a tease.

ppl are picking tmac for the smallest things it's like they have no life or just like criticizing the guy.

[doublehh03]

Battier said what he was supposed too. He is not arrogant. What Tmac said is not what he was supposed to. He basically said Shane shouldn't shot that shot, even though it was he who passed him the ball. Had he himself hit that shot, he would have said he "imposed his will on the game."
And I refuse to believe anyone with even the slightest theory of mind can't see the jealousy in Tmac's words and expression.

when did he say shane shouldn't shoot that shot? stop putting words in tmac's mouth.

what tmac said was that was a bad shot to take but he had to take it. and he said he saw shane open and passed. and then both him and shane chuckled when he said it was a lucky shot.

if u SAW THE INTERVIEW WITH YOUR EYES, and not just read (which puts things out of context), then u know they were playin.

[durvasa]

Yao got 8, but we got a bunch more. And Tmac shooting 7 seconds into the shot clock doesn't put us into postion to get those rebounds.

If you shoot earlier in the shot clock, the opposing defense is less likely to be set. That could result in offensive rebounding opportunities as well.

I'm not convinced that there's any connection between offensive rebounding and whether the offense runs through Yao or T-Mac. I could just as easily argue that when T-Mac has the ball more on the perimeter, that draws defenders away from the basket and it frees up teammates, in particular Yao, for more offensive rebounding opportunities.

[doublehh03]

If you shoot earlier in the shot clock, the opposing defense is less likely to be set. That could result in offensive rebounding opportunities as well.

I'm not convinced that there's any connection between offensive rebounding and whether the offense runs through Yao or T-Mac. I could just as easily argue that when T-Mac has the ball more on the perimeter, that draws defenders away from the basket and it frees up teammates, in particular Yao, for more offensive rebounding opportunities.

ppl might not credit tmac, but he got yao 3 point blank dunks in the spurs game where he drew 2 defenders WAY OUT at the 3pt line and yao was wide open and could just dunk.

but o well, when you're tmac, it's easy to criticize ya when u haven't won.

u shoot 31 times, ur selfish.
u shoot 14 times, well u didn't do enough.
u score 47 pts, well ur lucky ur hot.

and well, when u have other superstar perimeter players like AI and carmelo and lebron doing the same things, they get praised.

tmac has to live thru that and hopefully he wins this yr.

[Carl Herrera]

Show me where that's written. You hear teammates teasing each other about attempting bad shots but making them all the time.



Look, you obviously have some pre-existing views about T-Mac character if you're going to assume he said what he said out of jealousy. It could just as easily have been an innocent, teasing comment, particularly when he's just repeating what Battier already said. When teammates are close, they don't need to be politically correct and give stock answers about each other's performance.

It's not like this is the first time Tracy has given up the ball to a wide open team mate in crunch time. He does so regularly and willingly. So this notion that he's "jealous" a teammate would hit the shot is completely far-fetched to me.

But go ahead and assume the worst in people, if you prefer.

My man, clearly NBA has not spend enough on

http://www.nba.com/media/celtics/010804_ReadToAchieve2.jpg

to allow its fans to interpret comments in newspapers properly.

What can you do?

[dandorotik]

Battier said what he was supposed too. He is not arrogant. What Tmac said is not what he was supposed to. He basically said Shane shouldn't shot that shot, even though it was he who passed him the ball. Had he himself hit that shot, he would have said he "imposed his will on the game."
And I refuse to believe anyone with even the slightest theory of mind can't see the jealousy in Tmac's words and expression.

Wait a minute- some of you on here actually think what he said was out of jealousy? Are you kidding me? My 12 year-old son saw that they were clearly joking- and T-Mac wasn't criticizing him at all. That's pretty sad when adults can misinterpret what was blatantly obvious.

[doublehh03]

Wait a minute- some of you on here actually think what he said was out of jealousy? Are you kidding me? My 12 year-old son saw that they were clearly joking- and T-Mac wasn't criticizing him at all. That's pretty sad when adults can misinterpret what was blatantly obvious.

if you can call tmac a ballhog or a selfish player, you obviously haven't watched basketball. 99% of the time tmac plays the game the right way. that's why JVG NEVER criticized him.

players have bad shooting nights. u don't care for that b/c that happens. but make the right plays and that's what tmac does 99% of the time.

[tracy hong]

How is Kobe any more selfish than Tmac? You watch the game vs. the Suns? Was dominating the ball or chucking like Tmac was in Dallas?

And MJ may be on the selfish side, but at least he doesn't try to promote himself as unselfish..." You miss every shot you don't take!"...nuff said



you don't characterize one player with one game especially it is not representative

[Tfor3]

wait, are we talking about Calvin MURPHY?

We're not talking about Matt Bullard, we're talking about Calvin, We talkin' bout Calvin, not Matt Bullard, we talkin' bout Calvin. :mad:

what is wrong with this guy

[SmitingPurpleEm]

ppl might not credit tmac, but he got yao 3 point blank dunks in the spurs game where he drew 2 defenders WAY OUT at the 3pt line and yao was wide open and could just dunk.

but o well, when you're tmac, it's easy to criticize ya when u haven't won.

u shoot 31 times, ur selfish.
u shoot 14 times, well u didn't do enough.
u score 47 pts, well ur lucky ur hot.

and well, when u have other superstar perimeter players like AI and carmelo and lebron doing the same things, they get praised.

tmac has to live thru that and hopefully he wins this yr.

There were 2 important differences between McGrady hogging the ball against Dallas and Yao hogging the ball against SA.

1. Adelman called Yao's number in the crunch and Yao delivered, and very closely related...

2. We won the game.

If we won the Dallas game personally I know I would have strongly muted my criticism of McGrady. You don't notice me piling on McGrady now, unlike you who bashed the hell out of Yao after the Utah game even though we won that game.

[doublehh03]

There were 2 important differences between McGrady hogging the ball against Dallas and Yao hogging the ball against SA.

1. Adelman called Yao's number in the crunch and Yao delivered, and very closely related...

2. We won the game.

If we won the Dallas game personally I know I would have strongly muted my criticism of McGrady. You don't notice me piling on McGrady now, unlike you who bashed the hell out of Yao after the Utah game even though we won that game.

did u know why i criticize yao? if u don't know why i cricitize him, then just don't talk?

unlike u, i actually want to praise rocket players who performed well. i praised yao because he dominated and did well. i was very happy for him.

but unlike u, who never praised tracy after the utah game where he carried us or else we would have gotten blown out after trailing by 20-8, i never saw a compliment of his game from you.

all u said was he was lucky he was hot and will fall back to earth.

but agian, did u know why i criticize yao in the utah game? not b/c he missed shots, but b/c he played soft and let okur push him out of his position. when you're 7'6 and 300 lbs and let okur do that to u, you're not pissed?

but again, u haven't replied to my answer from LAST NIGHT?

u claim i'm a TOF but i praised yao more than u did last night. but u NEVER praised tmac and disregarded his game. wassup w/ that?

[Shroopy2]

Durvasa, I'm usually a fan of your posts, but when it comes to Tmac, you ride his jock like whore rides her pimps. If you can't sense Tmac's pettiness during the interview after the Laker's interview, then I don't even know what to tell you. He could say what he said behind closed doors, but on National TV, credit your teammate for a great shot.

I'm pretty sure he did credit him, though. Can someone post an exact quote?

Okay everyone HERE'S the actual McGrady Comment
(at the -0:37 mark)
SEE for yourselves...
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...all you Tracy Only hatin, Yao luvin, conspiracy theory making, Calvin Murphy jock riding sons of b-----es ;)

[SmitingPurpleEm]

did u know why i criticize yao? if u don't know why i cricitize him, then just don't talk?

unlike u, i actually want to praise rocket players who performed well. i praised yao because he dominated and did well. i was very happy for him.

but unlike u, who never praised tracy after the utah game where he carried us or else we would have gotten blown out after trailing by 20-8, i never saw a compliment of his game from you.

all u said was he was lucky he was hot and will fall back to earth.

but agian, did u know why i criticize yao in the utah game? not b/c he missed shots, but b/c he played soft and let okur push him out of his position. when you're 7'6 and 300 lbs and let okur do that to u, you're not pissed?

but again, u haven't replied to my answer from LAST NIGHT?

u claim i'm a TOF but i praised yao more than u did last night. but u NEVER praised tmac and disregarded his game. wassup w/ that?

Why do I need to praise Yao when his game does the talking? Besides, I knew what he was capable of if Adelman called his number. No need to pile on the praise yesterday. Nobody can doubt what he did, except irrational morons like rofflesaurus, and even he has some nice things to say about Yao. I don't feel the need to praise Yao when he plays like that.

Well what can I say about McGrady's game last night? He let a few no-call hacks early in the game discourage him from driving and became passive. All he did was jack up jumpers after the first quarter. Isn't this the same thing you accused Yao of after the Utah game? Do you see me saying this? If we lost, I would have brought it up, but since we won, I'm not going to make it an issue.

I said he would come back to earth because you acted like he was going to keep up the ridiculously hot shooting indefinitely and that Orlando McGrady had returned. I didn't think so and apparently I have been proven right, especially last night. But Houston McGrady is perfectly good enough to win a championship. He's still probably the second best SG/SF in the league, behind Kobe.

[doublehh03]

Why do I need to praise Yao when his game does the talking? Besides, I knew what he was capable of if Adelman called his number. No need to pile on the praise yesterday. Nobody can doubt what he did, except irrational morons like rofflesaurus, and even he has some nice things to say about Yao. I don't feel the need to praise Yao when he plays like that.

Well what can I say about McGrady's game last night? He let a few no-call hacks early in the game discourage him from driving and became passive. All he did was jack up jumpers after the first quarter. Isn't this the same thing you accused Yao of after the Utah game? Do you see me saying this? If we lost, I would have brought it up, but since we won, I'm not going to make it an issue.

I said he would come back to earth because you acted like he was going to keep up the ridiculously hot shooting indefinitely and that Orlando McGrady had returned. I didn't think so and apparently I have been proven right, especially last night. But Houston McGrady is perfectly good enough to win a championship. He's still probably the second best SG/SF in the league, behind Kobe.

the orlando tmac shot 45%. don't make it seem like he shot 50% or something like that. he had his share of hot games and also his share of VERY VERY poor shooting games. i still remember in orlando where he had a 4/21 game v. the pistons. and he had quite a lot of that. but he balanced that out w/ the big games.

tmac had 3 big games so far and 2 poor shooting games. it's balancing out to a 44.3%. and he's going to the line 9 times.

even charlie rosen admitted his first step is just as quick as ever when he saw the dallas game.

so yes, he's back NEARLY to that orlando level.

yesterday yao was just rolling so we had to go exclusively to him since there was no double teams after the first quarter.

AND AGAIN about the utah game, i accused yao OF NOT GETTING DEEP POSITION WHEN HE CLEARLY IS THE BIGGEST/STRONGEST player in the game. no 7'6 guy should get outphysicaled by okur. that's my complaint with him in that game. NOT JACKING UP SHOTS. get that straight.

it's the same complaint when tmac does not drive enough. get it.

[doublehh03]

Okay everyone HERE'S the actual McGrady Comment
(at the -0:37 mark)
SEE for yourselves...
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...all you Tracy Only hatin, Yao luvin, conspiracy theory making, Calvin Murphy jock riding sons of b-----es ;)

tmac looked jealous :rolleyes: . just the same way some ppl say tmac is selfish :rolleyes:

how do they see those things? him and battier were laughing about the shot. he said it "was a hell of a shot."

well i guess rocketfan can see through the mind and heart :rolleyes:

[dandorotik]

So, did everyone see the video? Can you say, "Royally owned" for all those who said T-Mac was being petty? Y'all should be embarrassed.

[SmitingPurpleEm]

TOF nonsense

What the hell? I'm gracious enough to write off McGrady's poor performance as a bad game and you're flaming me for it? Next time McGrady jacks up a dud like against SA I just might flame him to a crisp just to retaliate and spite you. You spewed tons of crap after Yao had a poor game against Utah and now you're pissed when I'm not doing the same for McGrady yet making a few realistic statements about how I think McGrady is going to play for the rest of the season?

In fact, I'll turn your argument against you right in this post. You accuse Yao, summarized in one sentence, of being soft in the Utah game. Fine. Then what was McGrady against SA? He drove in the first quarter, got no-call hacked, got discouraged, and stopped driving. Shot jumpers and generally didn't do much for the rest of the game. That is the definition of softness right there; letting physical play get to you and affecting your game. McGrady was soft and passive against SA. Thankfully we had Yao and Bonzi to bail us out or we would have lost for sure.

[tracy hong]

being carried away by their prejudices and dislikes, people described what had happened simply based on their imagination not bothering to check the facts...

[Ashes]

Battier said what he was supposed too. He is not arrogant. What Tmac said is not what he was supposed to. He basically said Shane shouldn't shot that shot, even though it was he who passed him the ball. Had he himself hit that shot, he would have said he "imposed his will on the game."
And I refuse to believe anyone with even the slightest theory of mind can't see the jealousy in Tmac's words and expression.
Wait. You know what T-Mac would've said if a hypothetical situation played out? That's amazing!

Give me a break. You refuse to believe anyone's "theories"? Your whole argument against T-Mac is a theory. It's actually quite pathetic. But wait, you know T-Mac, right? You know how he is. You know what he would say. You know the truth behind him. He's not really unselfish. He doesn't really pass to get teammates involved, he passes to get stats. Right.

God, just re-reading your arguments make me lose brain cells. All T-Mac said was basically "We should have gotten a better shot but we were lucky enough to win it anyways."

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but, you know, isn't that, well, um, true? Tie game and you are forced to take a three? When Battier took that shot I was screaming "No, no, no....yes, yes!!" Never, ever, do you want a three pointer for the win in a tie game.

To say T-Mac was jealous is borderline retarded.

[Rockets2K]

being carried away by their prejudices and dislikes, people described what had happened simply based on their imagination not bothering to check the facts...


Welcome to the Clutch BBS GARM, where supposition and innuendo rank higher than facts and logic when making arguments.

can I offer a clue to yall responding to yaofan?

If you ignore him, maybe he will eventually go away. attntion whores and trolls thrive off attention, if you deprive them of it they do two things, either get more outrageous to get the attention or they go somewhere else to get their attention.

just a thought


oh, and btw....by quoting him, you bypass the effectiveness of the ignore list...just think, if yall cant stand his posts, maybe others cant as well and have the brains to just put him on ignore. You are just wasting your time tryin to argue with him....there are easier ways to crank up your post counts.

[yao_fan_2007]

Hmnm..I'd reply to Rocket2K but seeing how he's ignored me, what's the point.

But I must say, this guy surely hates me. LOL. What a loser. If a guy can't stand opinions, why does he go on a messagboard.

Yeah..apparently he thinks we should all think alike. All in unison, in one flow where there is no conflict, or disagreements...

I know you ignored me because you are weak to stomach different opinions, but I have to say, you're a weak person, and really, if you have ignored me, why even mention me? You sound way too bitter and caustic. Maybe you must be the #1 Tmac only fan here...

[jeff from vandy]

Well I am a TMac fan for sure but he did sound a little weird in the postgame interview, it went something like this:

TNT guy: what do you think about the last shot?
Battier: I'm glad it went in
TMAC: Yeah that was a horrible shot selection

It was like he was criticizing Battier when it was the best shot available.

Mike James was acually open in the corner on that play if Battier wanted to make one more pass. Battier even said he was worried about the time on the clock so he let it fly!

[doublehh03]

What the hell? I'm gracious enough to write off McGrady's poor performance as a bad game and you're flaming me for it? Next time McGrady jacks up a dud like against SA I just might flame him to a crisp just to retaliate and spite you. You spewed tons of crap after Yao had a poor game against Utah and now you're pissed when I'm not doing the same for McGrady yet making a few realistic statements about how I think McGrady is going to play for the rest of the season?

In fact, I'll turn your argument against you right in this post. You accuse Yao, summarized in one sentence, of being soft in the Utah game. Fine. Then what was McGrady against SA? He drove in the first quarter, got no-call hacked, got discouraged, and stopped driving. Shot jumpers and generally didn't do much for the rest of the game. That is the definition of softness right there; letting physical play get to you and affecting your game. McGrady was soft and passive against SA. Thankfully we had Yao and Bonzi to bail us out or we would have lost for sure.

um, if u didn't notice, we went EXCLUSIVELY through yao from the 2nd quarter on. i mean EXCLUSIVELY 90% of the plays were ran for yao. even adelman said so b/c yao wasn't doubled much. and if he was, he often swung it around to others since tmac was guarded.

in the utah game, although tmac was hot, we actually ran plays for yao in b/t where he was the first option.

that's the difference my brother.

[doublehh03]

What the hell? I'm gracious enough to write off McGrady's poor performance as a bad game and you're flaming me for it? Next time McGrady jacks up a dud like against SA I just might flame him to a crisp just to retaliate and spite you. You spewed tons of crap after Yao had a poor game against Utah and now you're pissed when I'm not doing the same for McGrady yet making a few realistic statements about how I think McGrady is going to play for the rest of the season?

In fact, I'll turn your argument against you right in this post. You accuse Yao, summarized in one sentence, of being soft in the Utah game. Fine. Then what was McGrady against SA? He drove in the first quarter, got no-call hacked, got discouraged, and stopped driving. Shot jumpers and generally didn't do much for the rest of the game. That is the definition of softness right there; letting physical play get to you and affecting your game. McGrady was soft and passive against SA. Thankfully we had Yao and Bonzi to bail us out or we would have lost for sure.

and YOU'RE GRACIOUS to write off tmac's bad game? you are just not mad b/c yao had a great game. yao got his touches and did his thing. u only care for yao. never have i seen you compliment one other rocket unless yao was the man of that game, which was the spurs game. that's the only time u didn't talk much.

[doublehh03]

Hmnm..I'd reply to Rocket2K but seeing how he's ignored me, what's the point.

But I must say, this guy surely hates me. LOL. What a loser. If a guy can't stand opinions, why does he go on a messagboard.

Yeah..apparently he thinks we should all think alike. All in unison, in one flow where there is no conflict, or disagreements...

I know you ignored me because you are weak to stomach different opinions, but I have to say, you're a weak person, and really, if you have ignored me, why even mention me? You sound way too bitter and caustic. Maybe you must be the #1 Tmac only fan here...

see this is the thing w/ u and smitingpurple em and a few others. u guys ALWAYS label someone a tmac fan only if they support and defend tmac.

and yet u guys don't say that when we write the best things about yao and are excited when yao does well. what we then when we do that?

since you guys never support tmac. the rest of us have to. he's a rocket too u know.

[Barkley]

see this is the thing w/ u and smitingpurple em and a few others. u guys ALWAYS label someone a tmac fan only if they support and defend tmac.

and yet u guys don't say that when we write the best things about yao and are excited when yao does well. what we then when we do that?

since you guys never support tmac. the rest of us have to. he's a rocket too u know.

He doesn't understand it. He's too stupid, sorry but he is.

He doesn't want to say Yao's the best, he just wants to annoy people by his posts that's all.

I just wonder how many people have him on their ignore list...

[yao_fan_2007]

He doesn't understand it. He's too stupid, sorry but he is.

He doesn't want to say Yao's the best, he just wants to annoy people by his posts that's all.

I just wonder how many people have him on their ignore list...


Again. stop speaking for me, dumbass. Speaking of stupid, only a retard would use Charles Barkley as their Screen Name. Oh wait..maybe it makes sense. Only retards will worship a retard who said Yao would never average 20 points, and had to kiss a donkey's ass. :rolleyes:

[Barkley]

Again. stop speaking for me, dumbass. Speaking of stupid, only a retard would use Charles Barkley as their Screen Name. Oh wait..maybe it makes sense. Only retards will worship a retard who said Yao would never average 20 points, and had to kiss a donkey's ass. :rolleyes:

Hahahahaha. That means you just do not know what to say. Can you just tell me when did I say Yao "would never average 20 points?"

That's funny...