George Bush - a joke, right?

[ScreamingRocketJet]

Now, as some of you may know, I am an Australian Rockets fan. I live in Sydney, and have never been to the USA. That gives me zero credibility on your country. I also understand that any negative comments I might say will be attacked. Fair enough.

I also realise how ignorant stereotypes are...

I know how frustrating it is when Americans ask "do you have Kangaroo's in the streets in Sydney" (yep...plenty of them...they drive cars and catch trains with the rest of us)

So...I acknowledge the dangers of stereotyping...

In spite of all that, I must say, some stereotypes about your country just seem to ring too true at times. Particularly when it comes to Politics.

There is a stereotype long held here (and I must say, in EVERY country I have traveled to) that the American political process is one of the worlds great jokes. "Only in America" is the saying everyone uses to anologise political stupidity.

The perception being that your election process is just a case of some nuts, funded by big $ and backed by religious freaks, running on platforms of incredible ignorance...whilst always reverting back to cliched nationalism as there ultimate justification.

Now...having watched George Bush this week....what else needs to be said. He takes all the cliches and multiplies them by a factor of a million. People here openly laugh at the bloke whenever he is on tv spitting out the most crazy cliched crap we have heard...all the while thinking "do the Yanks actually believe this guy?"!!?

Seriously, as I said, I really don't want to offend any of you guys...but is Bush the best you have got as the opposition?!

I know Clinton has his faults, but I can say he is respected world wide for his charisma and intellect.

Bush just seems to be all the cliches, all the stereotypes, all the jokes ...rolled into the one package. You will be the laughing stock of the world with him in charge.


Just an outsiders opinion...






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[Dr of Dunk]

You may want to consider the fact that during elections all you hear from anyone for the most part is cliches. Yes, during his election run, Clinton used them as well. BTW, you stated your comments as if Clinton will be running in this election... he won't be, or should I say, he can't run for re-election. Al Gore (the man with all the charisma of a dead mushroom) will be Bush's opponent.

I stopped following politics long ago for the same reasons you talk about in your post. Election runs are catered to the emotions of people instead of their intellect. In high school I took a trip to the Texas House of Representatives to watch their voting process. I was appalled to see how many people stood by, chatted, and joked around as votes were being cast. Some didn't vote because they didn't think it was important enough apparently. At that point, I completely lost interest in politics.

Also, to further answer your question, the President in this country doesn't have the "omnipotent" or near-absolute power that so many other world leaders seem to possess. The system of checks and balances in this country, while at times lethargic and slow-moving, is also a great governmental process. Many say the most powerful man in the US, if not the world, is not our president, but actually Alan Greenspan, the Fed chairman. Mere words from his mouth can rock economic sectors on at least 3-4 continents. In my daily day-to-day activities, I worry more about what Greenspan says than what Clinton says because in my mind it affects me directly far more.

What I'm trying to say is, no matter who gets elected, this country will be safe. This country is more than just one person. Politics in this country has and always will, it seems, cater to the emotions of people and not their intellects. Politicians will say what you want to hear, not necessarily what you need to know. Bush is no different from 99% of the rest of the politicians in that respect. Personally, you talk about Clinton having charisma and being respected throughout the world for that... I find it disgusting that he's in office and a symbol of this country that gave my family an opportunity to come here and excel. No matter who is President, there's no place on this planet I'd rather be than here in "The States".... except maybe when I retire... then I might move down to Australia and catch a ride with those bus-riding kangaroos you have there... those pouches they have must come in handy for spare change/bus fare. http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/wink.gif

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[Achebe]

ScreamingRocketJet,

Welcome to Woop Woop.

Thanks for your opinions. I find these same opinions enlightening over and over again because my conservative friends always make the argument that Clinton has no international respect. MSNBC showed a French revue of the Convention yesterday, and it was hilarious. The announcer called 'bs' on many of the main topics on Bush's speech.

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"At one of these governors' conferences, George [W. Bush] turns to me and says: 'What are they talking about?' I said: 'I don't know.' He said: 'You don't know anything, do you?' And I said: 'Not one thing.' [Bush] said: 'Neither do I.' And we kind of high-fived."
--Republican Gov. Gary Johnson of New Mexico shares a verbal exchange that took place between he and George W. Bush.

(Quote is from the Los Angeles Times, 5/31/00)
Dubyah Speaks (http://www.georgewbushspeaks.com/default.htm)

[rimbaud]

ScreamingRocketJet,

Your comments are definitely welcome.
I know you are correct - I lived in Paris and they laughed at the process - they also could not imagine the limited nature of mainstream political thought - having only two parties that are not that far apart, as opposed to their multi-party system.

Nationalism will always be strong in the US, as we are pretty isolated. We have not had to grow together in close proximity with other powerful nations, as europe has.

Keeping in form, your stereotypes of American politics is more than 99.5% of Americans would know about Australian politics.

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[ScreamingRocketJet]

Thanks for your opinions fella's:-)

Dr...yep, I know Clinton can't run again and I know Gore is the man. (does the guy part time model for Ken Doll's btw?! He seems to have the personality and appearance of one!)

Also, the pouches definitley are great value for holding change. Better still...grab one by it's neck and ride it down the street. Thus eliminating the need to catch a bus altogether:-)

On a more serious note, I really enjoyed your post. I agree with what you have said and I am aware of it. I guess the main thing that always concerns me in America is the way that $ dictates. We have a limitation placed here on the amounts allowed to be spent on 'Political Advertising' so as to 'try' (try being the operative word) and ensure that money doesn't rule.

I was really interested in seeing how Bradley went a few months ago. I thought he offered a hell of a lot of common sense and
seemed to really bring something different to the table. I guess that's why he lost...
Also, isn't he mates with Phil Jackson? That should have ruled him out immediately if so
:-)

I know yours is a conservative country at heart, maybe that's for the best as a radical America may do as much harm as it could do good.

To Rimbaud and Achebe, It is generally held world wide that Clinton is respected. Certainly in terms of his intellect. His character is the butt of a lot of jokes, but never the man's capabilities...unlike someone like Reagan, who can't be mentioned without literally everyone laughing. Serious...I still can't contemplate how on earth a moronic B- Grade actor became a President?! LOL:-)

Regrettably, Australian Politics has followed a conservative trend lately (on a much smaller scale)We are a country that has probably had life too easy for too long. Thus, we have had born a political apathy that is inbred in most people here. Certainly, we have nothing like the political thought (in terms of scale) that exists in Europe...

Oh well, life here in Australia isn't exactly hard compared to the rest of the world. If an easy life means political apathy, then so be it...

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[DUDE]

Long Post... I have read ALOT of the political posts the last week and have been utterly amazed at the slanders done to Republicans, all the while Praising the democrats. This is my rant, sometimes it might be confusing but it is something I feel strongly about and might have gotten carried away. For the length, I apologize. As for the rest, I stand behind it.

I NEVER thought I would see the day where someone said that Bill Clinton is more respected than Ronald Reagan. Blows my mind. If Mr Reagan wasnt respected here in the US, then he wouldnt have been re-elected with the margin he did over Walter Mondale. And his VP wouldnt have been elected with the wide margin he was over Dukakis.

Sure, Bill has brains. No one is disputing it. But for the last 8 years he has disgraced the Presidency. I have read everyones posts about ANTI-Republican and ANTI-Bush on the other posts and it amazes me. Bill Clinton has ONE interest. And that is Bettering himself. In case you didnt know, his 20 year old daughter was ADVISING him in the middle east peace talks. (True). So we elect him and get a 20 year old?
He has had a GREAT impact on the YOUTH of America and it is NOT good. 11 year old are having Parties NOW! The parties they are having include LAP dances and ORAL sex for the boys. Am I the only one that sees this as being VERY ****ing disturbing!? IF the President doesnt consider Oral SEX, to be Sexual intercourse, than the kids feel the same way. Dont believe me, it was on 20/20 and MANY other shows. Of course, it is not on the Liberal media channels. If you want a TRULY unbiased View check out FOXNEWS.
In Massachusetts, a class of 14 year olds were being taught a class that the FEDERAL government made the school teach (do to getting some extra funds). Want to know what they taught the young impressionable kids? Here goes: One horrible thing was they taught the kids the correct way for a boy to FIST his boyfriend. To the uninitiated that is sticking your fingers up your gay lovers ass. Another was the Etiquette of Swallowing Cum! Was it mean if I spit and not swallow?! I am serious! Two teachers were fired, but not after much complaining. Tell me, if you have kids that are 14, is this something you want them learning at school with your FEDERAL tax money? Deplorable.
Bill CLinton has one goal in mind after leaving office. And that is to oversea the United NAtions. That is WHY he has given up so much of America's power and pull overseas to the UN. That is why he has Sold China our NAtional Security secrets. Anyone disagree? Then please tell me why the secrets disappeared then Chinamen were sleeping in the Lincoln Bedroom... Watch FOXNEWS and you will see THE SAME Chinamen tell their story of how they BOUGHT their way into Bill CLintons White House.
If you think Bill Clinton is the reason for the economy then PLEASE tell me HOW he did it? Was it by his Tax Increase in 1993? Or how about his Veto on the Marriage Tax Break just this last week? Oh, I guess it was that great NAFTA. Has ANYONE heard of ANY business coming here because of it? NOPE! But MANY MANY Business' have gone overseas because of it, Costing MANY jobs.
You say, Unemployment is low. Want to know why? The Former Welfare people are guards at your local Federal Prisons. True. Women, no bigger than 5'2" are watching and Guarding US citizens from Murderers, Rapist, Molesters, etc.. Feeling safe?
Funny how people LAugh at the mention of Reagan but the ONE and ONLY reason Russia dealt with us in the 80s was because Gorbachev truly trusted Ronald Reagan. He trusted his word. And he was fearful of what would happen if he tested Reagan. Gorbachev once told a story about when he and Reagan had their first meeting. He was trying to see how far Reagan would bend over backward for him. He pushed too much, and Reagan left Switerland immediately. We wasnt going to allow a FOREIGN nation to push the USA around. Now we have Terrorist bombing in America. When Reagan announced his plans for STAR WARS, which was the Defense of such Terroists bombs, etc... He was laughed at and called an extremist. With STAR WARS we wouldnt have had the bombing in Atlanta, Oklahoma, or New York center bombing. Now Clinton wants to initiate a STAR WARS type defense to protect us. Yet he is ALSO Wanting to give that same technology over to other countries, some our enemies. That makes sense doesnt it?! nope.
And isnt it funny how Clinton's politcal hero is Reagan. He has said it many times he liked how Reagan was a Republican Prez with a Democratic Congress and he was able to get things done.

I dont care about Bill CLintons sex life. But he LIED under oath. That to me was enough to remove him from office. It is funny how alot of the liberals were screaming about the conservatives wanting him out, yet they somehow overlooked the fact that if he was gone Al GOre would be Prez. They were kicking out a Democrat for a Republican. To me, the whole justice system we have is based on the Oath. And if the oath is broken than that person would be held in contempt and often thrown in Jail. So how did Clinton get out of it? The liberal media. Yes, I see you shaking your heads, but can you HONESTLY tell me that Al Gore and Bill Clinton arent treated much better in the press than Bob Dole and George W Bush?
The whole party of Clinton, Gore is corrupt and dirty. Dont believe it? Then why is ALL of Bill CLintons assosciates either in Jail, or dead? ANd they arent dying of natural causes.... Anyone remember Vince Foster? That is not enough to make you think??? Then why do his trusted advisors leave him and have NOTHING but bad things to say? Dick Morris is a MAIN cog. He was the reason Bill was elected in the first place.

YES, Bill Clinton is smart. I never said he wasnt. And from all I have read or heard he is a very nice guy. Someone you want to go have a drink with.
Yes, Bob Dole was an incompetent Boob. Any man that was a Partys choice for President should NOT BE HAWKING Viagra!

Funny how on David Letterman all we see is ANTI-BUSH. He never mentioned that HIS writers wrote Hillary's jokes when she was on did he? Should a Presidential candidate have to appear on his lousy show, which is seen by, 2-3 million people, just to shut him up? That is what he wants. EVERY day he mentions how Al Gore would love to debate him on Lettermans show. And now David is saying he will do Everything in his power to bring Bush down. Watch Ted Koppel, Peter Jennings, or Tom Brokaw and you see the Same preferential treatment. It amazes me if an intelligent person cannot notice that after watching the evening news.

Everyone knows these conventions are Pep Rallies. So why does Al Gore have to slam every speech made by the Republicans? Why is Clinton attacking George W Bush? Let them hold their pep rally. Let the Democrats hold theirs.. Then let them debate. And may the best candidate win.
But PLEASE dont tell me that Clinton is a respected President. He has disgraced the office of the President, and has Embarrassed Any intelligent American in the process.

Isnt it funny how there are SOOOO many Anti-Bush posts the last week or so? Anyone want to bet that those same people will be PRAISING AL GORE when he has his pep rally? Isnt that a bit hypocritical?


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[TheFreak]

Bill Clinton is the master of B.S. He is the sole reason for my disinterest in politics at the moment. ScreamingRocketJet must not have heard any of his speeches prior to his first election. His entire campaign was based on lies. The guy is a joke. You have him to thank for the current state of American politics, which is dominated by those who are most effective at preying on the ignorance of the masses. Thanks to Bill, it is now more important who looks the best in front of the camera, not who has more substance.

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[outlaw]

Dude, how could "Star Wars" have prevented the bombings in OK, NYC and Atl? That's ridiculous. I think you've been listening to too much Rush and other such conspiracy theorists.

I for one am proud to have had Bill Clinton as President.

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[DUDE]

Outlaw,
Star Wars was for missiles Lauched at the US. I truly believe had that gone through then there would have been NO attacks on US citizens on US soil.

I am happy for you that you are proud of Clinton. But can you tell me why you are proud of him? how has he made you Proud of him?

And please tell me how Rush is a Conspiracy Theorist? I believe he goes to far, in the name of Entertainment. However, if you were to listen to him with an open mind and open ears then I believe you might change your opinion of Clinton.


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[Achebe]

http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

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"At one of these governors' conferences, George [W. Bush] turns to me and says: 'What are they talking about?' I said: 'I don't know.' He said: 'You don't know anything, do you?' And I said: 'Not one thing.' [Bush] said: 'Neither do I.' And we kind of high-fived."
--Republican Gov. Gary Johnson of New Mexico shares a verbal exchange that took place between he and George W. Bush.

(Quote is from the Los Angeles Times, 5/31/00)
Dubyah Speaks (http://www.georgewbushspeaks.com/default.htm)

[rimbaud]

outlaw,

Didn't you know that McVeigh (sp?) drove that van through space (from the middle east, of course) and the building blew up when he landed in front of it. Star Wars could have easily shot him down.

It can also destroy the underground missils that blew up at WTC.

It could have easily shot that little tiny bomb in the middle of a large crowd in Atlanta.

Sad.

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[Jeff]

The politics of all candidates remind me of that Simpsons episode where Kang and Kodos (the aliens) inhabit the bodies of Clinton and Dole and run for president. One of my favorite scenes went like this:

Kang: Abortions for all!
Crowd: Boo!
Kang: Allright, abortions for no one!
Crowd: Boo!
Kang: Allright, abortions for some. Miniature American flags for others.
Crowd (waving miniature American flags): Yeah!!!

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[outlaw]

Dude, I used to listen to Rush almost everyday back in 1992-93 when I was really into politics. Maybe he's changed since but he seemed like a paranoid nutcase back then.

The reasons I'm proud of Bill is probably the same reasons you're ashamed of him. We just differ idealogically. But since you asked: He's humanized the office of the president. I hate when politicians are deified like the way Reagan was. He's not perfect and we shouldn't expect him to be.(And most people thought a hummer wasn't sexual intercourse even before 1999). Bill's cabinet had the most minorities and women of any president ever. He appointed 2 qualified and intelligent SC Justices. He tried to end the ban on gays in the military and halfway succeeded. He protected abortion. He attacked the tobacco companies. He raised the minimum wage.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/Accomplishments/additional.html

He was a good president and I'm going to miss him. I wish him luck in his future endeavors.

[DUDE]

Outlaw,
I can appreciate your opinions. But like you said I guess we differ idealogically. I NEVER said Reagan was perfect. He was far from it. But I think he was much better than Clinton. Bush Senior was a letdown and Dole was a boob.
You said most people thought a hummer wasnt sexual intercourse... I disagree. Why is it called ORal Sex if it isnt Sex? Isnt the guy 'enjoying' himself just the same?
The band he tried to end on gays in the military ended up being a joke, I think. He could have fought it a little harder, yet he didnt. And the final 'Dont ask Dont tell' is a joke. How does that end the ban on gays? If a gay guy says something, then he gets banned still.
I am pro-life. I truly believe that life begins at conception. My problem with abortion is that is has turned into another birth control. I read somewhere on this site about pro-life means having 'more bastards in an orphanage'. I disagree. Adoption is a great option. There are MANY MANY people that cant have children but want them. The entire adoption industry needs to be shaken up. I have friends that were on a list for three years to adopt. They tried many different agencies. Finally they just went to Russia to adopt. And I dont know if you know the truth about Partial Birth abortions but they are downright scary.
As for the minimum wage, that is something I disagree on also. Yes the republicans in the Congress passed bills on it but I think overall it is bad. Why? Because I think it hurts the smaller business owner. (these wages I use are made up. I know the wage isnt $8 yet, but it soon will be) An owner who can afford two people Full-time at $5 but when the wage goes up to $8 he can only afford One person. It makes the prices go up also. Look at the movie ticket prices, etc..Everything has gone up in price. So the Guy that went to College, got a degree, and was making $10 an hour was doing very good before. But now, with minimum wage creeping up, his wage suddenly isnt that good. So he has less disposable income, yet he still has the same debts he has to pay off.
Tobacco companies.. First, I dont smoke. I think it is disgusting. However, I see nothing wrong with the individuals choice to smoke if they want. I find it very scary that former smokers who knew the bad things smoking can do to you can end up suing the industry for $125Billion. When are people going to stop passing blame and take responsiblity for their own choices and actions? Isnt it hypocritical to want people to have the right to commit an abortion to end a life, yet you dont want them to have the right to smoke a cigarette?

BTW. Rush certainly isnt why I feel this way. I can only take so much of him also. He is very over the top and gets on my nerves to easily. However, I do love www.drudgereport.com (http://www.drudgereport.com) and FOXNEWS. Both, I believe report unbiased news.

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[DUDE]

Rimbaud,
I find your humor lacking. My point is that to me Clinton is WAY more concernedabout self promotion than anything else. His self promotion is done in the way of 'sharing' things with other nations, yet the whole time weakening our nation. If the Star Wars defense system had gone online when it was originally thought of, I truly believe we would not have been the target of those terrorists threats. But with Mr Clinton, he was far more interested in cutting money on defense and sharing information with other nations than in protecting the people that put him in office. If Star Wars was implimented, I believe it would have sent a message to other countries that we werent to be 'messed' with. But it was ridiculed and voted against right from the beginning. Isnt it funny how NOW after the fact he is trying to come up with a national defense similar to Star Wars? Of course it is. CHina and other nations have the USA secrets on Nuclear warheads. hmmm, wonder how they got there?

There is much more, but I am sure you people that disagree with me on this site wish me to be quiet. however, as much as you wish to think, I dont seem to be alone. Dont you find it odd that in this ERA of the great economy that the presiding Vice President has tried to allienate himself from the President on may occasions? And that a governor from Texas is beating said Vice President in many of the polls? I dont believe in polls at all. If I did I would bring up the fact that Bush Senior had a VERY high rating after the Gulf War, and yet a short year later was defeated. He lost entirely too many votes to Ross Perot and lost to CLinton.

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[DUDE]

LOL @ Jeff! very funny and Very true!

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[Jeff]

My problem with abortion is that is has turned into another birth control. I read somewhere on this site about pro-life means having 'more bastards in an orphanage'. I disagree. Adoption is a great option. There are MANY MANY people that cant have children but want them.

Adoption is a terrific option if it is an option. My wife an I have actually looked into it, so I know. Here are some of the issues:

1. The vast majority of children put up for adoption are minorities while the vast majority of parents wanting to adopt are white. Most white parents don't want a non-white child.

2. Many of the children put up for adoptions end up in multiple foster homes because they cannot be placed due to ethnicity, special needs or age.

3. The adoption process is long and difficult because everyone wants a white infant. In addition, there is a history of abuse among adopted children because of a less-than-adequate screening process.

4. Adoption has a stigma attached to it. Many would-be parents who have run out of options having children prefer to use fertility drugs or in-vetro fertilization to have children because there are many perceived risks with adopted children and there is a stigma also attached to not being able to have a child on your own.

Adoption is simply not for everyone and adding children to the pool of those who need homes won't solve the problem. We are living in a world that is drastically overcrowded and an Anglican Archbishop said recently that married couples who choose not to HAVE children are self-indulgent and it is our DUTIES as married couples to populate the world as it says in the Bible.

There is a lot of pressure on people to live up to an ideal that doesn't exist. Having a big house, a nice car and a family are most common among those pressures. While it would be nice to believe that every child has a place, it simply isn't true. The chances of a black crack baby getting a home are slim and none and many of the children available for adoptions are in the special needs category.

How many attractive, healthy people do you honestly believe give up their children for adoption? There are already a large number of children available who just aren't wanted. Adding to that list won't help them.

As for the minimum wage, that is something I disagree on also. Yes the republicans in the Congress passed bills on it but I think overall it is bad. Why? Because I think it hurts the smaller business owner. (these wages I use are made up. I know the wage isnt $8 yet, but it soon will be) An owner who can afford two people Full-time at $5 but when the wage goes up to $8 he can only afford One person. It makes the prices go up also. Look at the movie ticket prices, etc..Everything has gone up in price. So the Guy that went to College, got a degree, and was making $10 an hour was doing very good before. But now, with minimum wage creeping up, his wage suddenly isnt that good. So he has less disposable income, yet he still has the same debts he has to pay off.

This, to me, is placing the well-being of the individual with money over the one's without it. What a tragedy that we might have to pay a little more for a movie or that the guy that has the degree has a less leftover to afford luxuries!

What about compassion for those who don't have a degree and don't make $10 per hour. I guess these people should just get a degree and be done with it, right?

What is so unbelievable about this situation is that most of the people working the minimum wage jobs do the most thankless and difficult work for no money. Have you ever tried earning a living for yourself and your family at Burger King? They are looked down upon by society and criticized for their laziness. Yeah, right!

If business has to adjust and we, as consumers, have to adjust to a higher minimum wage, I am perfectly willing to deal with that as both a business owner and a consumer. Human life and compassion are FAR more important to me than the money I put in my pocket.

So what if we can't afford everything we want. That is a small price to pay to know that people who don't have all that we do are able to have a little better life. I prefer to believe that it is our responsibility as humans to do what is right towards our fellow human even if it means making some sacrifices of our own. I know that isn't the American way of thinking, but it should be.

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[rimbaud]

Dude,

Why would a guy carrying a bomb in his backpack care about Star Wars?

1. Terrorist bombings are not always foreign.

2. There will always be crazy people that can build bombs themselves.

3. Star Wars, if it even could work, would only have implications with large missils.

4. It would not have changed anything.

Let's say Star Wars worked 95% of the time, and those evile FOREIGNERS realized they could not fire missils at us. Wouldn't the logical conclusion from that be that if they wanted something to explose, they would send someone to manually detonate a bomb?

Star Wars had nothing to do with anti-terrorist activity.

My humor was merely a reaction to someone trying to draw a link between things that are so unrelated that it is laughable.

And, yes, I am sure that Clinton flew to China and gave them everything so that they could bomb the US and then he would have gained something when he was dead or had no country to lead.

He also gave all those weapons to Saddam so he could screw with us later...oh wait, that was done during the Reagan/Bush era to serve as a buffer against Iran - sorry.

Point is, your black and white reading of presidents based on political parties is rather naive.

Do not misunderstand and think that I am defending Clinton. I am not a Democrat. I am not a Republican basher.

If you want to argue/disagree/ridicule me, please do not base it on faulty assumptions.

bomb Cambodia
promote slaughter in East Timor
support evil regimes
show everyone who is boss

live long and prosper
eat your meat
wash behind your ears
huh?
don't ask me


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[heypartner]

DoD,

great response. it is easy to rag on our elections because of the fanfare. thanks for explaining there is more to our politicians than the fanfare they must do during elections.

[Rocketman95]

Originally posted by DUDE:
However, I do love www.drudgereport.com (http://www.drudgereport.com) and FOXNEWS. Both, I believe report unbiased news.


Dude, you lost all credibility with that comment right there. Drudge is one of the most biased "reporters" ever.

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[DUDE]

Rocketman95,
Maybe unbiased is the wrong word. Certainly what you read on his site you wont see on the TV news. Yes he has stuff against CLinton and Gore but he also has stuff against Bush. If you check it right now there is a link to an article about how a General in the Military thinks Bush is wrong on something, and another that has a link to an article about Cheney's daughter that is gay and how it might make life awkward for Cheney because of that. ( I havent read either yet however. I just got home)

Rimbaud,
I certainly dont believe I am naive or black and white according to the political parties. Please show me where I showed Bias to a certain Political party President. Yes, I am republican but I will vote for Bush because I truly think he and Cheney will do a much better job leading this country. However, I did not care for Bush senior. I did not care for Clinton, or Dole. I really can not stand Al Gore. My main thing at the beginning is that I have read alot of People bashing George W, when he hasnt even had anything to do yet. They assume he is dumb, yet he got the same grades as Al Gore when they were in College.
A convention is a pep rally. Everyone should know that. But it seems like people were lambasting him for not saying much to the rest of America. That is because his main Aim was to the republicans. When Gore has his Convention it will be geared toward the democrats. You get the people of your party excited and let them help you get the undecideds.
I do however, think that Ronald Reagan was a damn fine president. To me, a presidents Main job is to Lead the country from ahead and not disgrace the office. I know alot of you will not agree with me, but I think Clinton has disgraced the office. A little Luster is lost of the office.
I dont vote straight down a party line on election day. I have voted over and over again for democrats like Mark Stiles and have voted against republicans such as Kay Bailey Hutchinson. So I think that shows that I am not naive per the political parties. But if you still think I am, I honestly dont care. As I think you are obviously naive about Clintons actions with China.
As for your attempted humorous remark, I took it as ridiculing me for what I said. Contrary to you, I HONESTLY believe there is a correlation between star Wars and what happened with those sites. I might be wrong, but you might be wrong also. That is what makes America great.

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[RocketMan Tex]

Abortion?!? Again????

If men got pregnant, abortion would be legal, readily available, and covered by most health insurance.

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[MadMax]

Rocketman -- I think that's a serious oversimplification. There are people like myself who believe abortion is nothing short of murder. If you believe life begins at conception, then it's a snuffing out of life. In my opinion, the baby is an entirely separate being...so separate in fact that if it weren't for a womb, the mother's body and immune system would expel the baby immediately like it would a parasite. I truly have a hard time looking at those who were almost aborted and telling them that abortion is OK. So please don't make the accusation that my feelings would be different if I were a woman or if I could have babies..because the fact is that many women who are capable of having babies are also pro-life.

I don't adopt DUDE's sentiments entirely...but I agree with the spirit of them. Clinton disgraced the office and he continues to do so to this very day. I've NEVER heard of a second-term president criticizing the former president and a candidate for the upcoming election. Presidents have generally had more dignity and more respect for the office than that. Ultimately, when viewed by historians among comparison to other presidents, I think that's what we'll see. I don't ask for a perfect president...but when someone swears to uphold the dignity of the office I'd rather him not get blow jobs from White House interns, lie under oath, sell the Lincoln bedroom to Chinese nationalists, be held in contempt of court, fire missiles at Sudan on days where key witnesses against him are giving depositions (what the hell was that?), etc. Comparisons to Reagan in the realm of dignity and respect for the office are laughable. Even Nixon had more respect for the office...at least he had enough shame to resign. Clinton seems to know no shame.

What's funny is how many of my democrat and liberal friends hate Bill Clinton. They say he's hurt the party because of his image and his willingness to win for himself at the expense of his party and his own supporters.

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[sirhangover]

Welcome screaming rocket jet...

I want to preface my post buy saying that i am neither republican nor democrat and I have not decided who i will vote for..that being said i am leaning towards gore simply because of the things that screamingrocket is talking about and people like you DUDE who scare me away from bush as well...

so I say to DUDE and anyone else that wants to jump on our australian friends post...

HE IS ONLY SPEAKING WHAT HE SEES AND HE IS ONLY COMMENTING ON THE GENERAL REACTION OF AUSTRALIANS TO THE JOKE THAT IS GEORGE BUSH..

if thats what he sees as an outsider that what he sees DUDE...you cant make international perception of someone change because he lied under oath or whatever sour grapes sounding argument you make...

to be fair DUDE..most foreigners do not have a full grasp on exactly on the 'nuts and bolts' of what happens politcally here.. okay he isnt the greatest president ever that goes without saying...They only take the big picture and sort of the overall view...

their view and one that seems to echo from foreigners throughout the world that i have met and that is:

clinton is not a bad guy..a good president..has done well for america..smart..better president than reagan could have ever dreamt of being..period...

their view of the current w. bush is pretty much what our australian friend here is saying: a joke...

again they are bottom lining it for us and looking at it from the outside..okay we dont care what some kiwi or aussie or any foreigner thinks right but what hes sayign speaks volumes of what the world will think of us and who we are as people behind our leader..do we want to look like a joke? at least we get respect with clinton..

you may think the world doesnt exist past beaumont and to you it probably doesnt matter what world sentiment is..but the world is a big place and america aint what is used to be in the hey day..

we need all the support internationally we can get and looking at the big picture from a bottom line type view we get the idea that bush is a joke...

it is what it is DUDE..

i am not sold on gore either okay..but i am definitely NOT sold on bush...and dont try and quote some bill or gettinghead scandal..

this guy from australia is only telling you what he sees.. the big picture..they dont care about all that..they see what they see...clinton has done well..

in bush..they see a joke...



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[DUDE]

sirhangover
THe reason why I first posted on this thread was because I did not agree with one thing said. About Clinton being respected and Reagan not overseas. I worked for a large Drug company until this last year and spent quite a bit of time in Europe. Radio stations, etc constantly made fun of Clinton. They had songs like 'Dont let the intern go down on me' a spoof of an Elton John song. Bill Clinton was NOT respected. It was a slap to all ALL Americans that another country would do this about Our President.
It has nothing to do with our Australian friends or anything against them. If they feel Bush is a joke I appreciate their opinions. But I want to understand something: Reagan, Bush, Dole and W. Bush are viewed as jokes overseas, yet Clinton is respected? Does anyone else see the division down the party lines? Could that be the Media coverage someone gets?
Once again however, does it Really matter what ANYONE outside of the US thinks about a candidate? If so then the USA is in trouble. the President of the USA should be the Presiden of the USA, not the world. Mr Clinton has done a SKILLED job at lobbying for the UN job he so badly wants. The USA is a force that needs to be reckoned with NO MATTER who is the the Oval Office. When you start worrying about Who Australia wants as our President, then that is the time you need to stop voting.
And I will disagree again when you claim Clinton as a better president than Reagan.
You also claim people like me are scaring you away from Bush, then in the same post you put me down by saying "you may think the world doesnt exist past beaumont". So if you believe that I think the world is Beaumont, then why do care what I think?
Clinton is a much smoother person than Bush. No agrument there. However, anyone who thinks he is genuine is fooling themselves. And to me, Bush is a better choice than Gore.

RocketMan Tex
You asked "Why do conservatives constantly claim they are for "individual freedom", yet, through their actions, constantly try to take freedom away from people?"
I dont agree that Conservatives try to take freedom away from people. You are free to wear a condom, or are free to abstain from sex. You are free to smoke, free to live where you want, free to live your life as you want, as long as no law is broken. I believe highly in an indivduals freedom. However, no matter how I look at it ending a life is murder. To me, life does begin at conception. The way I look at it is this: If you were to not do ANYTHING after conception then a birth would occur. So what you are doing is STOPPING a natural occurance. Kinda like playing God. You said that you dont believe a life starts until birth, yet have you not seen Fully formed beings in a mothers womb? Do you have an idea of what Partial Birth abortion is?

To me it is funny how the some think it is bad to smoke a cigarette yet okay to end the life of an unborn child.

To me a life changing moment was five years ago. My sister had her first child. The pregnancy was tough for for her, and the doctor actually confided in them that their best choice would be to abort. He said that the child would be underdeveloped mentally and would be much harder to raise than a normal child (his words). Thankfully, my sister and her husband both believe in Pro-Life, so they chose to ignore this persons views and decided to keep the child. Five years later, all is well and she starts school in one week. That is why I get emotional over things of this nature. Abortion to me is murder, no matter how I look at it.


Since it seems I am outnumbered not making any headway I will now cease to post on this thread. All I seem to be on this thread is everyone's joke material. See ya at the voting booth.

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[sirhangover]

hey DUDE..
i was trying to defend australian because i thought you were rather harsh in your argument against...i am sorry for being equally as harsh...

like i said i have no strong opinion and my vote is not set in stone..but i really am not too keen on bush thats for sure..at the same time i cant help but absorb the feelings of foreigners view points of our candidates...

everyone always talks about the pro liberal press but whenever i turn on the radio(especially am radio) all you hear is clinton bashing and making fun of liberals....i see the negativity on both sides and the press i feel is pretty even..as far as this bbs i feel it is actually more of a pro bush website although lately you dont hear from them as much..

your opinion is accepted and you have equal rights to post..

i guess if you think that reagan(which i think is the core of why i jumped on you) was better than this guy or that guy you simply did it in a way that i feel attacked the australians opinion of what he feels was an accepted australian sentiment... thats how they feel i guess...you attacking australian guy will not change the fact that they think he was a joke...you seem to remember him differently...i tend to disagree but not worth arguing about...

more than anything I was defending australian and agreeing that i think reagan was a joke...i agree with you that we should not take into account australians views completely to heart but still worth something...

maybe i shouldnt post on these threads either as i am sure you are a cool DUDE i just dont like this trickle down BS and all the rest of the hurt that we had to get past from that senile *****..sorry i couldnt help myself....take my comments not as an attack on you but the idiots responsible...nothing personal in most ways...thanks DUDE.. http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/smile.gif


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[Bobby]

I lived and worked for a year in Australia, and had a chance to see the Aussie political process first hand. Believe me, if the bloke from Oz thought the American process is a joke, he ought to see Australia from my point of view. They don't have a presidential election over there; the party with the most members in their House elects the prime minister. Currently, the PM is John Howard, a Liberal (which is really the conservatives) and the Labor party hates him. The opposition is led by Kim Beazley, who sort of reminds me of Tip O'Neal, the former Speaker of the House. The Labor party is in control only because they have an alliance with the Country Party. They have this process called "preference voting", which allows you to vote for more than one candidate for an office, regardless of Party; which means you don't have the most first choice votes to win. They do have to be a bit careful - don't want to tick off the Governor-General, who is appointed by the Queen of England, and who can dissolve the government if he so chooses (it's only happened once, but the risk is still there).

I love Australia, but I wouldn't want to be a citizen. A 48% tax rate for everyone earning over $40K, no competition in areas most of us take for granted (telephones, airlines, utilities), and a history (similar to the US) of mistreating and taking advantage of the native Australians, the Aborrigines.

All in all, having observed political processes in many places around the globe, ours is still superior. At least we can govern without having to negotiate alliances with splinter parties seeking theie own self-serving goals.

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[mc mark]

"At least we can govern without having to negotiate alliances with splinter parties seeking theie own self-serving goals".

Oh, you mean like special interest groups?


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[dylan]

Originally posted by RocketMan Tex:

You are entitled to your opinion, but I disagree with you on this subject. Life does not begin at conception. Life begins at birth. Why do conservatives constantly claim they are for "individual freedom", yet, through their actions, constantly try to take freedom away from people? Why do conservatives constantly try to legislate "morality"?


Congratulations Rocketman Tex, you just used the most cliched argument ever used. I love it when liberals cry out because conservatives are trying to "legislate morality". Of course you can (and should) legislate morality! What do you think most legislation is based on?

moral: of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior

How about this: I think stealing is not immoral. Therefore I can walk to your house and take what I want because I don't think you can legislate morality. I want to have sex with a 12 year old. Since we can't legislate morality, I guess that's alright. I don't want to hire any women or minorities. Once again, I guess I'm in luck since according to you we can't legislate it.

In this case, the conservatives ARE for individual freedom. For some crazy, bizzare reason they actually respect and treasure the life of the unborn child.

You may not agree with this, but stop claiming that because you differ in your opinion of when the child is alive that you are right and they are wrong. And most of all, stop that tired claim of the impossibility of "legislating morality".

dylan

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[Jeff]

dylan: You are certainly overblowing it a bit. I think that the concept of legislating morality has little to do with crimes the vast majority of us believe deserve some form of punishment.

Stealing and sexual molestation of a child of course fall into that category.

The concerns I and many others have is the idea of legislating a very specific morality. For example, the concept of life beginning at conception is a Christian belief based on the existence of a soul. As a result, Christians believe that abortion is murder. I agree with that right to protest but I do not agree with the conclusion.

I believe that all animals have souls, yet I would be mistaken to believe that our government would protect them simply based on my (and many many others) belief systems.

Of course, abortion is an issue highly tinged with emotion as well and is probably not well-suited for this argument, but I will give you one that is: homosexuality.

This is one I still can't get over. When an openly gay congressman spoke at the GOP convention, many delegates bowed their heads or turned their backs. This is the same organization that wants to demonstrate how inclusive they are.

Homosexuality, whatever your beliefs about it, is something practiced between two consenting adults behind closed doors. It is not endangering the lives of anyone. Yet, it is illegal to engage in homosexual acts in many states including this one.

That is exactly the kind of legislation that worries people like myself. Am I gay? Nope. But, I do have gay friends and the thought of them going to jail for expressing their love for one another really scares me.

Gay marriages harm no one yet they are outlawed in nearly every state. Gay partners are denied medical benefits even if their relationship fits the very description set forth in commonlaw marriages for which heterosexual couples receive benefits quite routinely.

In our own city council, nearly every member has been divorced or is in the process of divorcing including Rob Todd, the most unltra-conservative member. The longest relationship? Between Annise Parker and her lesbian partner of 10 years. Yet, despite their love for one another and committment to the relationship, they cannot formalize their vows in marriage or even ask the city for benefits for Ms Parker's partner (she doesn't need it anyway!).

Unlike abortion, this does not require a person to make a judgement call on life and death. This only requires compassion. There is so little love in the world as it is, it seems more a crime to deny love between two individuls despite the fact that they share a gender.

That is the reason many of us are concerned with the GOP's sometimes hypocritical stance on personal freedoms.

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[Achebe]

MadMax:

What did Clinton say about President Bush?

Also, I think you're being pretty silly suggesting that VPs don't ask the incumbent Presidents to help them out. I was just watching the DUDE's unbiased FOXNEWS in regards to the VP selection and they said that this is a joke... Nixon asked Ike and that George Bush asked Reagan to endorse their respective bids.

The saddest thing is that the Republicans so far have succeeded in redirecting this campaign... we're still friggin' talking about Clinton.

*Sigh*.

Hopefully, the way in which Gore "let 'em hang out" will redirect the campaign. People will be talking about a Jew in office for the next few months (good or bad for Gore's campaign? No idea.) instead of Clinton.

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--Republican Gov. Gary Johnson of New Mexico shares a verbal exchange that took place between he and George W. Bush.

(Quote is from the Los Angeles Times, 5/31/00)
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[RocketMan Tex]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MadMax:
Rocketman -- I think that's a serious oversimplification. There are people like myself who believe abortion is nothing short of murder. If you believe life begins at conception, then it's a snuffing out of life. In my opinion, the baby is an entirely separate being...so separate in fact that if it weren't for a womb, the mother's body and immune system would expel the baby immediately like it would a parasite. I truly have a hard time looking at those who were almost aborted and telling them that abortion is OK. So please don't make the accusation that my feelings would be different if I were a woman or if I could have babies..because the fact is that many women who are capable of having babies are also pro-life.
[quote]

You are entitled to your opinion, but I disagree with you on this subject. Life does not begin at conception. Life begins at birth. Why do conservatives constantly claim they are for "individual freedom", yet, through their actions, constantly try to take freedom away from people? Why do conservatives constantly try to legislate "morality"?



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[ScreamingRocketJet]

Bobby

Mate...that was hilarious.

Honestly, you lived here in...what, 1974? I am guessing...maybe it was 1975? That's how out of date you are.


You got just about EVERYHTING wrong. Seriously...

The system you refer to is known as proportional representation. It's so that we all get represented...hang on mate, that's democracy right?

Fancy that...I wish we'd give that up for a Billion Dollar pushed President...

Oh yeah, we pay high taxes because we have what's known as a welfare system. Mate, you know...it's that thing that allows everyone to live withour begging and allows everyone to get an education without the family needing to mortgage there life away.

As for treatment of indigenous people. It is a disgrace what has happened here. However, I'd suggest that your own minorities aren't exactly happy. At least we provide for them...

Now, I am not going to debate whose country is better. Let's just say that I know a lot of Americans who have become Aussies who love it here. There's a reason for that...



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[Surfguy]

Is it or is it not true that occassionally you have a stray kangaroo wander into the streets of Sydney http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/smile.gif?

Surf

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[RocketMan Tex]

Thank you Jeff. I couldn't have said it better myself.

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[dylan]

Originally posted by Jeff:
dylan: You are certainly overblowing it a bit.

I may be overblowing it but I am just taking the concept of legislating morality (or the lack thereof) to its logical conclusion. I respect the arguement that abortion should be legal because the fetus doesn't have life. I just think it's ridiculous to suddenly try to grab the moral highground by spouting worthless rhetoric and cliched sayings about legislating morality.


This is one I still can't get over. When an openly gay congressman spoke at the GOP convention, many delegates bowed their heads or turned their backs. This is the same organization that wants to demonstrate how inclusive they are.


I comnpletely agree with you on this one. While the GOP certainly has every right to do that, it sure doesn't make them look very good. And since I'm in favor of Bush more then Gore (although I will vote for Harry Browne), that ticks me off.

Homosexuality, whatever your beliefs about it, is something practiced between two consenting adults behind closed doors. It is not endangering the lives of anyone. Yet, it is illegal to engage in homosexual acts in many states including this one.

That is exactly the kind of legislation that worries people like myself. Am I gay? Nope. But, I do have gay friends and the thought of them going to jail for expressing their love for one another really scares me.


Again, I completely agree. Even if one considers homosexual activity (or any sexual activity ouside of the missionary position) "immoral", it is still between two consenting adults. Even if it is a "crime", it is a victimless one. And this is where your attempted refuttation falls apart.

I believe that morality should be legislated, but not at the expense of individual rights. Laws banning sodomy may be in the name of morality but because they hinder indivual rights they are flat-out wrong. You can say that for abortion if you like, but it is easy to counter with the thought that the fetus is alive and has a right to live (not even counting the idea of a soul).

Gay marriages harm no one yet they are outlawed in nearly every state. Gay partners are denied medical benefits even if their relationship fits the very description set forth in commonlaw marriages for which heterosexual couples receive benefits quite routinely.

That is the reason many of us are concerned with the GOP's sometimes hypocritical stance on personal freedoms.


I think gay marriages should be legal in every state. I fully realize that the GOP is very hypocritcal. Hell, I think both major parties are getting closer and closer to the same bunch of money-grubbing liberty-hating power mongers. That's why I have little-to-no faith in both of them and looked to third parties for people with similar beliefs.



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[dylan]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ScreamingRocketJet:
Bobby

Mate...that was hilarious.

Honestly, you lived here in...what, 1974? I am guessing...maybe it was 1975? That's how out of date you are.


You got just about EVERYHTING wrong. Seriously...


Out of honest curiousity, what did he get wrong? I don't know much at all about Australian govt, other than I have heard it is a very socialist state.


The system you refer to is known as proportional representation. It's so that we all get represented...hang on mate, that's democracy right?

Fancy that...I wish we'd give that up for a Billion Dollar pushed President...

Both are republics, actually, not democracies.

Oh yeah, we pay high taxes because we have what's known as a welfare system. Mate, you know...it's that thing that allows everyone to live without begging

or working

and allows everyone to get an education without the family needing to mortgage there life away.



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[TheFreak]

mar•riage

Pronunciation: (mar'ij), [key]
—n.
1. the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.

Those of you who would like to legalize "gay marriages", what would you like the definition of marriage changed to?

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[dylan]

Originally posted by TheFreak:
mar•riage

Pronunciation: (mar'ij), [key]
—n.
1. the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.

Those of you who would like to legalize "gay marriages", what would you like the definition of marriage changed to?


Why change the definition? Why not use another dictionary definition since you seem to be fond of the dictionary.

marriage \mar-ij also mer-ij\ n. an intimate or close union

Isn't that what a marriage between man and wife is? An intimate and close union between two loving partners? That's exactly what a gay marriage is. No changes needed.

Thank you, please drive through.

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[JayZ750]

Well,
One things for certain. There is a lot more Republican/Bush bashing that goes on in here than Democrat/Gore bashing. But thats just the nature of the beast. Just so happens that the majority of the people in here feel that way. Certainly it isnt the majority of Americans as recent polls had Bush ahead by over 10 points.

Anyway, everyone lies in elections. It is a point that has been made in this thread and every thread on politics. Clintons campaign for election was just as much of a "joke", especially coming from what was then some boy from Arkansas.

However, it is kinda a contradiction to say that people overseas (and a lot of Americans) see our political process as a joke, yet simultaneously respect Bill Clinton. Clinton has been the president for the past 8 years. WHile the politicla process has been developing for a couple of hundred years, the most immediate aspects of the process from this years election are taken from the "success stories" of CLinton's campaigns,etc. Bush and gore both see what CLinton did correctly and are modeling themselves similarly, with their own twists on things.

I think the biggest problem is that the two parties are becoming like one and we dont have strong thrid parties anyways. Hopefully in time that will change.

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[Jeff]

marriage:
the legal and/or ceremonial joining of two partners in loving union

Actually, to make the original definition work, all you really have to do is change "man and woman" to "two partners" and "husband and wife" to "partners". I don't see the issue here.

Marriage also used to mean "owning" the woman, getting all her cattle, strategic alliances of kingdoms and the like. Definitions change as the times change. It's time for this one to change.

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[Rocketman95]

Just like all men are created equal once meant white property owning men are created equal.

That changed.

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[ScreamingRocketJet]

Dylan...I am at work (that thing you think no one here does) so this will be quick.

What was wrong with Bobby's post?Well, ...we have competitition in the airline and phone industries for starters. Secondly...the tax rates...thirdly, the whole politic overview he gave...

Now, whoever said we are a socialist state is a bigger goose than you...

Mate...blokes like you just confirm all the stereotypes about Americans being ignorant, elitist w$nkers...

Now, unlike you and Bobby, I am not stupid enough to think that stereotype is correct. Thankfully, 99% of people on this board prove that it's not true...

Go the Rocks...

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[Bobby]

Originally posted by ScreamingRocketJet:
Dylan...I am at work (that thing you think no one here does) so this will be quick.

What was wrong with Bobby's post?Well, ...we have competitition in the airline and phone industries for starters. Secondly...the tax rates...thirdly, the whole politic overview he gave...

Now, whoever said we are a socialist state is a bigger goose than you...

Mate...blokes like you just confirm all the stereotypes about Americans being ignorant, elitist w$nkers...

Now, unlike you and Bobby, I am not stupid enough to think that stereotype is correct. Thankfully, 99% of people on this board prove that it's not true...

Go the Rocks...



Competition in the airline industry? Qantas and Ansett are the only choices in country at very expensive prices.

Tax rates? 48% is a true and accurate number for those will incomes >$40K. You have to pay for socialized medicine somehow, even if choices for medical help are limited.

Show me where I was wrong with the politic overview. Is Pauline Hanson, the Australian George Wallace, still stirring things up?

Australia is a beautiful country - beautiful women and beaches, a great public transportation system, friendly people, superb beer and wine, lovely scenery. Didn't say I didn't like your country, just that I wouldn't want to live there.



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[Rocketman95]

Freak, of course that's going to be the definition. Hell, Webster's was written in the 19th century (I think), not a very tolerant time.

But, I guess if a dictionary says it, it can't be any other way. Sorry homosexuals, Webster decided years ago that you couldn't get married.

Ridiculous.

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[TheFreak]

Webster isn't the point. It's not like Webster came before the English language. The point is the word "marriage" means something specific. If you'd like to see the meaning of the word changed, I was just curious as to what you think it should be.

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[Rocketman95]

I like dylan's definition.

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[outlaw]

freak
n.
An abnormally formed organism, especially a person or animal regarded as a curiosity or monstrosity

why are you so against gay marriage? what possible harm could it do to you?



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[Bobby]

Originally posted by mc mark:
"At least we can govern without having to negotiate alliances with splinter parties seeking theie own self-serving goals".

Oh, you mean like special interest groups?


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On both sides - like some unions, particularly the NEA, trial lawyers, people for the american way, et al.



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[ScreamingRocketJet]

Firstly Bobby...sorry for any offense mate. I think I fired up too much:-)

Secondly...the tax system just recently had a MAJOR overhaul.

Thirdly...Quantas, Ansett, Virgin, Impulse. That's four alone and there's more coming.

Finally, thank god that idiot Hanson has also gone. She was an abberation, as you'd probably know. Last thing heard of her was that she was facing bankruptcy and / or criminal charges. Unfortunatley for America, you get Hansons all too often it seems!

Come back anytime mate...:-)



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[Lynus302]

I think ALL politics are a joke. Most (notice I said most) politicians tell everyone exactly what they want to hear. Bush Sr. was pro-choice before he ran on Reagan's ticket, and Gore was pro-life before he ran on Clinton's ticket.

I'm 25 and I have never voted. Why? Because my vote really doesn't matter beyond the state I make my home in. The President will come from one of the two parties, and George W. will win Texas. So to waste my time voting for a third party is exactly that: a waste of my time. I imagine I'll finally vote this time around since I'll be there to vote YES for the arena anyway. Who I will vote for is yet to be determined.

I think America needs a drastic overhaul of its political system. I would be much more interested in a McCain vs Bradley race than the one we are currently in.

My disgust with politics has nothing to do with blow jobs. I'd much rather see them go after Clinton for the China/military secret stuff or Whitewater than for him lying about a question NO ONE (aside from Hillary) had any business asking him in the first place. My reasons for disgust are that I just can't subscribe to (most) conservative ideals and Al Gore seems very untrustworthy to me.

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