ClutchFans - Rudy Giuliani

Zac D

10-24-2007, 08:59 PM

Baqui99

10-24-2007, 09:09 PM

Rudy Giuliani is a flaming douchebag.

halfbreed

10-24-2007, 09:20 PM

Rudy Giuliani is a flaming douchebag.

Score one for reasoned discussion in America!

KingCheetah

10-24-2007, 09:23 PM

I just can't imagine why repubs would want him as their nominee -- he has massive, glaring flaws that make him unelectable.

A_3PO

10-24-2007, 09:54 PM

Full disclosure: I can't stand the guy.

But here's the specific issue I'm pondering. Rudy likes to appeal to conservatives by saying something like this: "Isn'titbetterthatItellyou... whereIthtand... than... shift my positions withtheprevailingwinds?" Which is an oblique acknowledgment that he's pro-choice, among other things. And the point of the statement is to score points for his steadfastness.

But then he also says, "Iamcommittedtoappointing... thtrict conthtructionist judges." Which is, as you all know, very much code for "pro-life judges."

That's not steadfastness at all. He saying he's pro-choice and that he should get credit for standing on principle, but making it clear that he will take no actions based on that principle.

Isn't that just a clever way to pull a Romney on the issue without getting called out for it?
If nominated, Rudy will appoint pro-choice judges. He's being dishonest if he implies anything different, IMO. If he gets nominated and somehow, someway becomes president, the religious right will become completely irrelevant on the national political scene. The GOP will finally decide they don't want or need the RR in order to win.

If it's Rudy vs. Hillary in 2008, it will make Bush's attacks on Kerry look like a children's birthday party. The mud from both sides would be suffocating.

nyquil82

10-24-2007, 10:05 PM

Think about it this way, Rudy is probably as Giu-ish a candidate that conservatives can tolerate.

rimrocker

10-24-2007, 11:51 PM

“I took a city that was known for pornography and licked it to a large extent, so I have my own set of qualifications.”

--Rudy

giddyup

10-25-2007, 12:44 AM

But here's the specific issue I'm pondering. Rudy likes to appeal to conservatives by saying something like this: "Isn'titbetterthatItellyou... whereIthtand... than... shift my positions withtheprevailingwinds?" Which is an oblique acknowledgment that he's pro-choice, among other things. And the point of the statement is to score points for his steadfastness.

But then he also says, "Iamcommittedtoappointing... thtrict conthtructionist judges." Which is, as you all know, very much code for "pro-life judges."
In a roundabout way you've just conceded that Roe v Wade is paper-thin. Interesting.

Deckard

10-25-2007, 01:04 AM

I think it's called talking out of both sides of his mouth.

D&D. Attempt to Keep it Civil!

Impeach Bush.

Mr. Brightside

10-25-2007, 02:50 AM

Rudy Giuliani is a flaming douchebag.

Very valid points, but 9/11 changed everything!

thumbs

10-25-2007, 06:31 AM

Think about it this way, Rudy is probably as Giu-ish a candidate that conservatives can tolerate.
Shades of NewYorker? Hmmm. NewYorkeristic? ...er, uh, a NewYorkerism? ....

D&D -- Attack the position, not the poster.

SamFisher

10-25-2007, 07:22 AM

In a roundabout way you've just conceded that Roe v Wade is paper-thin. Interesting.

A very shallow interpretation. Uninteresting.

rhester

10-25-2007, 07:28 AM

Rudy G is sure to get Hillary elected. :D

thegary

10-25-2007, 07:35 AM

“I took a city that was known for pornography and licked it to a large extent, so I have my own set of qualifications.”

--Rudy

^that's about the only thing the big fat facist and i have in common.

Zac D

10-25-2007, 07:37 AM

In a roundabout way you've just conceded that Roe v Wade is paper-thin. Interesting.

You're perfectly aware that I've conceded no such thing. "Strict constructionist" is a phrase that, much like "states' rights," has little to do with actual constitutionality.

Any thoughts on Rudy's apparent duplicity?

RocketMan Tex

10-25-2007, 07:53 AM

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/L/e/1/giuliani_in_drag2.jpg

"I wanna be youah pwesident!"

jo mama

10-25-2007, 08:09 AM

"Isn'titbetterthatItellyou... whereIthtand... than... shift my positions withtheprevailingwinds?"

you arent making fun of his elmer fudd-like lisp are you? :D

be vewy vewy caweful...im hunting tewowists!

guess what???
9/11

jo mama

10-25-2007, 08:11 AM

Rudy Giuliani is a flaming douchebag.

well he certainly is flaming!
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/45/130284123_3c21c8565a.jpg

no wonder gov. perry recently gave his, um, "endorsement".

jo mama

10-25-2007, 08:15 AM

I just can't imagine why repubs would want him as their nominee -- he has massive, glaring flaws that make him unelectable.

like what?

pro-gun control
pro-abortion
pro-amnesty
3 marriages, one of which was to his cousin
his adult children dont speak to him
the REAL 9/11 heros, the new york firefighters hate him
he likes to dress like a woman

what could it be?

BUT HE WAS MAYOR OF NEW YORK...ON 9/11!!!

guess what?
9/11

DonkeyMagic

10-25-2007, 08:47 AM

the tyope of serious debate that has truly made D&D a great place to have open discussion..

hmmm , lets see...

"douche bag"
make fun of a speech impediment
make fun because *gasp* he had a little fun and dressed like a woman :eek:

truly class acts.

i really dont think the pro-choice is that big of a deal. I think there are more important issues, plus I don't think most politicians dont even wand to deal with that whole can of worms.

Major

10-25-2007, 09:18 AM

I just can't imagine why repubs would want him as their nominee -- he has massive, glaring flaws that make him unelectable.

He certainly has flaws that make him unappealing, but he's a truly interesting candidate in the general election - maybe the single *most* electable of Republicans, for a variety of reasons.

He has huge crossover appeal. Whereas generic Dem beats generic Rep by 10-15 points in every poll, Clinton beats Guliani by 2-3%. This is the result of a lot of things: anti-Hillary sentiment amongst moderates and huge appeal of a moderate fiscal conservative by moderates. So many states are won by 2-5% and suddenly, all of those are in play if Guliani runs. If he can win Michigan or Pennsylvania, suddenly that makes it much harder on Clinton.

Where he hurts is how many religious-right voters he turns off. But in this scenario, he has two things going for him. First, he's got the "Hillary is the devil" card to play, which really fires up the religious right. Second, those same voters also tend to be strongly focused on the terrorism/patriotism issue, and he can play up 9/11 in that regard. Finally, he can bring in a Huckabee type VP. While that won't excite the base as a VP candidate, it might be enough to get them to come out to vote.

I think Guliani is the only of the major Republicans that isn't going to be fighting a massive uphill battle in the general election (assuming things stay similar to where they are not in terms of public opinion, which isn't at all a given).

dylan

10-25-2007, 10:25 AM

the tyope of serious debate that has truly made D&D a great place to have open discussion..

hmmm , lets see...

"douche bag"
make fun of a speech impediment
make fun because *gasp* he had a little fun and dressed like a woman :eek:

I have to mostly agree with DM on this one. I find it almost disturbing how often those on the liberal side refer to him dressing as a woman. If he were the typical anti-homosexual repub then I could understand it more (like mocking Foley, Craig, etc) but Rudy? The speech impediment deal I am neutral on, not really cool to make fun of but that happens to every politician ever, so meh.

Now by all accounts I've heard Rudy is a douche bag so that one I'm going to have to side with. Not that I wouldn't vote for him, if here were the repub nominee I would have to strongly consider it.

ps: I know cross-dressing =/= homosexuality but where you find acceptance of one you often find acceptance of the other.

rhester

10-25-2007, 12:03 PM

The scenario might be that Rudy runs against Hillary
But conservatives and right wingers might get a third party candidate on the ballot... maybe one who will almost surely take enough away from the repubs to guarantee Hillary the Throne.

But even if that doesn't happen I think Diebold is already going Dem this election. :D

Rocket River

10-25-2007, 02:02 PM

BUT HE WAS MAYOR OF NEW YORK...ON 9/11!!!

guess what?
9/11

Is this the Political way of saying: SCOREBOARD!!?

Rocket River

rimrocker

10-25-2007, 02:26 PM

I have to mostly agree with DM on this one. I find it almost disturbing how often those on the liberal side refer to him dressing as a woman. If he were the typical anti-homosexual repub then I could understand it more (like mocking Foley, Craig, etc) but Rudy?

Well, Dems have had to deal with anti-gay rhetoric and actions from Repubs for a long time, which is a big part of this... I don't think it's necessarily aimed at Rudy, but rather he is a tool for pointing out the fact that the Repubs are so desperate they're willing to nominate someone who is antithetical to the "values" they have professed over the last several election cycles. That there are photos of Rudy in drag just makes it much easier. There's also the calculation there that reminding Repub voters of this makes it more difficult for them to solidify their base heading into the general.

tigermission1

10-25-2007, 02:29 PM

The only one I like is Huckabee...that's the only guy I can get behind right now. Guiliani is OK too but the mob will probably take him out before he can get to the White House.

tigermission1

10-25-2007, 02:30 PM

TeamUSA

10-25-2007, 02:43 PM

poor guy, he didn't plan this until he got into the middle of the goldbars conspiracy.

forget what i said.

insane man

10-25-2007, 05:29 PM

http://www.capsteps.com/sounds/giuliani-911.mp3

thumbs

10-25-2007, 06:02 PM

Well, Dems have had to deal with anti-gay rhetoric and actions from Repubs for a long time, which is a big part of this... I don't think it's necessarily aimed at Rudy, but rather he is a tool for pointing out the fact that the Repubs are so desperate they're willing to nominate someone who is antithetical to the "values" they have professed over the last several election cycles. That there are photos of Rudy in drag just makes it much easier. There's also the calculation there that reminding Repub voters of this makes it more difficult for them to solidify their base heading into the general.
While I'm not a fan of Rudy Giuliani, this is a King Kong-sized rationalization for liberals whose supposed philosophy is pretty much "anything goes" as far as sexuality issues. :rolleyes: :confused: :rolleyes:

D&D -- Attack the position, not the poster.

rimrocker

10-25-2007, 06:14 PM

While I'm not a fan of Giuliani, this is a King Kong-sized rationalization for liberals whose supposed philosophy is pretty much "anything goes" as far as sexuality issues. :rolleyes: :confused: :rolleyes:

Not really. I don't care who Rudy's diddling and I don't care what he thinks about abortion. I find it interesting that those who would care are doing their best not to think about it because he may be their only hope at maintaining power... and I don't mind pointing that out at times.

(Note: I didn't say I don't care about abortion... I just don't care about Rudy's view because he a guy who will not be President.)

jo mama

10-25-2007, 08:18 PM

I have to mostly agree with DM on this one. I find it almost disturbing how often those on the liberal side refer to him dressing as a woman.

if you are refering to me, i dont consider myself a liberal and i am actually a registered republican. anyway, in this day and age image counts for alot and it is going to be very easy for his/her opponents to run plenty of nasty adds showing him in all his cute outfits and asking if this is the strong leader we want. that is the kind of stuff that really cuts into his tough-guy-9/11-hero image, imo. once those good old boys, middle-americans and church-goers start seeing those images splashed all over its lights-out for that tranny.

Now by all accounts I've heard Rudy is a douche bag so that one I'm going to have to side with. Not that I wouldn't vote for him, if here were the repub nominee I would have to strongly consider it.

this is another reason why he could never be elected. aside from the fact that he is on his 3rd marriage and his children dont speak to him, (which probably says more than anything about what kind of person he is) he is way too much of an authoritarian and after 8 years of bush i think the country will reject that kind of leadership. furthermore, he is going to get swift-boated so hard by the firefighters for his refusal to allow them to continue to recover the remains of their fallen comrades. can you imagine the firefighters that his opponent will be going after to do adds against him?

rhester

10-25-2007, 09:06 PM

For a pastor, you're one cynical sob ;)

You are so right on it

I need to listen to my own preaching and walk the talk

Politics gives me such a stomach ache.

I usually don't get involved beyond just voting, but that was before I found this wonderful way to be cynical- hanging out with all my friends in D&D :D

Actually that is my way of saying I don't like any of the candidates except Ron Paul only because he was my wife's gyno and helped us through one birth and two miscarriages.

I just love talking politics with Ron Paul because he knows all the candidates personally and he doesn't mind sharing some of the behind the scenes stuff. It's like have a poster who is on the coaches staff posting in the GARM :D :D

I admit I am fed up with our politcal two party dog and pony show.

How's that for the pastor being cynical.

I could just say Jesus loves all the candidates ;)

ROXRAN

10-26-2007, 06:59 AM

I'm on record of saying I'd take Hillary over Rudy, and only Fred over Hillary....

I also don't get the appeal from conservatives for Rudy...Both Fred and Hillary are much better choices for different reasons...

TeamUSA

10-26-2007, 07:57 AM

He said that is dream job was Yankee's manager. Why didn't he apply for it now that it's empty?

jo mama

10-27-2007, 10:46 AM

http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Blogs/News?oid=oid%3A554823

I'm no fan of Ron Paul, but his local supporters have hit on an ingenious way to welcome Rudy Giuliani to Austin for a fundraiser today: they've recruited local "eccentric" Leslie Cochran to try and meet Giuliani, and urge him to hew to his cross-dressing past:

Ron Paul Revolution members have invited Leslie to join a Texas Ron Paul greeting for Rudy Giuliani this Friday evening.

“To our knowledge, no candidate has yet reached out to the ‘cross dresser’ vote, and we’re curious to see whether Leslie is convinced that Rudy properly A-dresses this issue”, quipped RPR volunteer Pam Farley. At press release time, no one had yet purchased a Leslie cross-dressing refrigerator magnet for Rudy as a Texas gift.

Giuliani, Leslie, and Ron Paul? If this doesn't constitute the perfect storm of nuttiness (Norman Podhoretz in fishnets excepted), what will?

http://www.austinchronicle.com/binary/dbea/RudyDrag.jpg

jo mama

10-27-2007, 10:54 AM

make fun because *gasp* he had a little fun and dressed like a woman :eek:

you think dressing like a woman is "fun"?

i really dont think the pro-choice is that big of a deal. I think there are more important issues

such as...

gun control
refusal to allow the firefighters to recover the remains of their comrades
his 3 marriages (one of which was to his cousin)
the fact that his own children dont speak to him
his support of amnesty for illegals

face it giuliani-supporters - all this tranny has going for him is that he happened to be mayor of nyc on 9/11. his whole campaign is based on reminding us of that as much as possible.

mc mark

10-30-2007, 05:39 AM

Seriously

Rudy's bumper sticker should say "Want war? Vote Giuliani!"

Giuliani accuses Hillary and Obama of wanting to invite Bin Laden to their Inauguration

"This is the world we live in. It's not this happy, romantic-like world where we'll negotiate with this one, or we'll negotiate with that one and there will be no preconditions, and we'll invite (Iranian President Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad to the White House, we'll invite Osama (bin Laden) to the White House".

"Hillary and Obama are kind of debating whether to invite them to the inauguration or the inaugural ball,"

The man is unhinged.

Achilleus

10-30-2007, 05:45 AM

you think dressing like a woman is "fun"?

It's not that interesting to me, because I have broad shoulders and the dresses make me look boxy.

MR. MEOWGI

10-30-2007, 05:50 AM

you think dressing like a woman is "fun"?

I dressed in drag once for a party. It was a lot of fun.

pgabriel

10-30-2007, 07:17 AM

the reason people keep bringing up the cross dressing is because it makes him unelectable in his party. its an issue when it comes to electability (if that's a word)

and for the record, it is kind of weird

jo mama

10-30-2007, 09:51 AM

It's not that interesting to me, because I have broad shoulders and the dresses make me look boxy.

im sure you look lovely!

jo mama

10-30-2007, 09:53 AM

I dressed in drag once for a party. It was a lot of fun.

"once" being the key word in your case.

there is nothing inherently wrong w/ this behavior - as long as it doesnt effect me, more power to you. but there is no denying that giuliani is a straight-up tranny and i think that is one of several reasons why he has absolutely no chance of being president.